RE: google chrome

[David Moore via Talk]

You are very welcome!
I totally agree with you about Chrome. Definitely my favorite!
Have a great one, and ask any questions.
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Mike Rogers via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 11:14 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Mike Rogers
Subject: Re: google chrome

Thanks for the tutorial.  I prefer Chrome over I.E. and Firefox is out of the 
equation.  This is a great tutorial.



www.harmonicaworkshops.com



On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 19:41:49 -0500
David Moore via Talk  wrote:

> Hey Bob and all!
> I will paste my text tutorial on the Google Chrome browser right below this 
> message. You can read it here right in the email.
> I take you through everything, and all of the settings.
> Here is the tutorial right below!
> Tutorial for Using the Google Chrome Browser
> By David Moore
> This tutorial will be done with the latest update of Chrome.
> I will also use JAWS 18, JAWS 2018, and NVDA 2017.4 for this tutorial, 
> because they all work the same in Chrome.
> Finally, I will use Windows 10 Creators Update latest public build.
> I will assume that you have downloaded and installed Chrome.
> There should be a shortcut on your desktop.
> 
> Section One:
> Launching Chrome:
> One way to Launch Chrome, is to press the Windows key or CTRL+Escape and type 
> Chrome in the search edit field, and press enter when you hear JAWS say 
> Chrome.
> However, since you have already downloaded Chrome, You will have a shortcut 
> icon on your desktop.
> So next, find the shortcut for Chrome on your desktop, and press enter to 
> open Chrome.
> The short cut will actually say Google Chrome, so press G to find the Google 
> Chrome icon on your desktop.
> The first very important step, is to press Windows+up arrow to maximise the 
> window. Chrome often opens with the window not maximise, and you will get 
> undesirable results.
> 
> Section Two:
> Bringing up a web site.
> Press CTRL+L or Alt+D
> and type the following:
> www.freedomscientific.com
> The Freedom Scientific web site comes up very quickly.
> All navigation commands like: H for heading, E for edit field, C for combo 
> box, and so on all work just the same in Chrome.
> 
> Section Three:
> The Virticle Chrome menu:
> I will press Alt+F.
> The Chrome menu is open.
> This is a very large virticle menu that you just keep pressing up and down 
> arrow through.
> I will press insert+up arrow to hear the first option in this menu.
> New Tab, CTRL+T.
> You can press that command right from the web site you are on.
> New Window, CTRL+N
> You can press these commands right from your web page, instead of coming here.
> New incognito Window.
> History sub menu.
> I will press right arrow here to see what is in this sub menu!
> History, CTRL+H
> So, there is a key command for reading your history.
> You can read a few sites you were on right here.
> I will press left arrow to close this history sub menu.
> Downloads, CTRL+J
> There is the command for opening your downloads you have downloaded with 
> Chrome.
> Next, the important Bookmarks sub menu.
> I will press right arrow, to open this.
> I hear, bookmark this page, CTRL+D
> That command will bookmark the page you are reading.
> Next down arrow, says show bookmarks bar, CTRL+Shift+B
> That command, will show your bookmarks on your Chrome browser for all to see. 
> I do not want that.
> Here is the important one.
> manage bookmarks
> The command is, CTRL+Shift+O
> In here, you can organize your bookmarks into folders, see the bookmarks you 
> have imported from different browsers, and very importantly, you can 
> download, to your computer, an HTML file of all of your bookmarks in Chrome.
> On your computer, you can press enter on this file, after it downloads, and a 
> page will show up in Chrome with a list of all bookmarks you have saved in 
> Chrome. This is an awesome way to download all of your bookmarks right to 
> your computer, so you can back them up.
> That is all for manage bookmarks.
> Next, I hear import bookmarks and settings.
> press enter on this, and you can import all bookmarks and settings from IE, 
> and Firefox, right into Google Chrome, and they will be in their 
> corresponding folders.
> Now, I hear all of my saved bookmarks as I continue to arrow down.
> Very important!
> Sometimes, when I open that bookmarks sub menu, I do not land on the choices 
> I mension here, but instead, I start hearing my saved bookmarks. If this 
> happens, I press up arrow a few times, and it gets me to these choices.
> Keep in mind, that many of these choices, like bookmark manager, have key 
> commands, so you do not have to come to this bookmarks sub menu at all. You 
> only need to come here most of the time, to arrow through your saved 
> bookmarks, and enter on the desired one.
> To save a web site as a bookmark,
> Just press CTRL+D and press enter, and your bookmark is saved.
> I will now press left arrow, 

Re: One more question

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Yes, I did understand that the setup file is the actual entire folder.  
Thanks.


Carol


On 12/13/2017 8:40 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

The file setup.exe is in the root folder of the installation CD or the folder 
which contains the complete CD if you requested a download zip file.
I simply checked the date of setup.exe since you wanted a date to check if you 
had the correct version.
So, to be clear, you need the complete folder in order to install Window-Eyes, 
whether you're installing from the CD or an unzipped folder.

Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: December 13, 2017 8:11 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Carol and Roger 
Subject: Re: One more question

Thanks Rod.  I am fairly lost with Win10 and having to learn Narrator at the 
same time is just not working for me.  I will try the install soon.
Do I need anything else besides the setup file?  I do have my serial number, so 
that is not a problem.

Carol


On 12/13/2017 12:53 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

Yes, setup.exe has a date modified of 1/11/17.

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
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Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: December 13, 2017 12:40 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Carol and Roger 
Subject: One more question

I want to install WE.  I have a vversion 9.5.4 which was dated January
of this year.  Is this the one I need?  Are there any other files I
need?  Thanks.

Carol

they sent me on my drive.
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RE: One more question

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Carol,

The file setup.exe is in the root folder of the installation CD or the folder 
which contains the complete CD if you requested a download zip file.
I simply checked the date of setup.exe since you wanted a date to check if you 
had the correct version.
So, to be clear, you need the complete folder in order to install Window-Eyes, 
whether you're installing from the CD or an unzipped folder.

Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: December 13, 2017 8:11 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Carol and Roger 
Subject: Re: One more question

Thanks Rod.  I am fairly lost with Win10 and having to learn Narrator at the 
same time is just not working for me.  I will try the install soon.  
Do I need anything else besides the setup file?  I do have my serial number, so 
that is not a problem.

Carol


On 12/13/2017 12:53 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi Carol,
>
> Yes, setup.exe has a date modified of 1/11/17.
>
> Best,
>
> Rod
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
> Sent: December 13, 2017 12:40 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Cc: Carol and Roger 
> Subject: One more question
>
> I want to install WE.  I have a vversion 9.5.4 which was dated January 
> of this year.  Is this the one I need?  Are there any other files I 
> need?  Thanks.
>
> Carol
>
> they sent me on my drive.
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Re: One more question

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Thanks Rod.  I am fairly lost with Win10 and having to learn Narrator at 
the same time is just not working for me.  I will try the install soon.  
Do I need anything else besides the setup file?  I do have my serial 
number, so that is not a problem.


Carol


On 12/13/2017 12:53 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

Yes, setup.exe has a date modified of 1/11/17.

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: December 13, 2017 12:40 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Carol and Roger 
Subject: One more question

I want to install WE.  I have a vversion 9.5.4 which was dated January
of this year.  Is this the one I need?  Are there any other files I
need?  Thanks.

Carol

they sent me on my drive.
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Re: Now for a new challenge?

[David via Talk]

Might be a hit-and-miss this one. But what happens if you try the 
App-key, or Shift-F10? Someone told me, that once in a while even 
Shift-App-key will provide extended menus. I am not under Win10, so 
cannot really help, just thought to throw the idea on the table.


On 12/13/2017 6:51 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:
> Well, at this point, I don't know if there is one installed.  I did 
> not take the option from macafey.  I plan to use Defender once I can 
> move around a little in Win10.  It did show me the files on the drive, 
> though.  Maybe I can play around a bit more this evening.
>
> Carol
>
>
> On 12/13/2017 12:44 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>> Hi Carol,
>>
>> I'm wondering if your antivirus software has blocked the external drive.
>> I've never used anything except Windows built-in antivirus software, 
>> Windows Defender, and so have not had any trouble with external drives.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rod
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
>> Sent: December 13, 2017 12:22 PM
>> To: steve.jacob...@visi.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>> 
>> Cc: Carol and Roger 
>> Subject: Re: Now for a new challenge?
>>
>> Thanks.  I will give that a try the next time I have the PC turned on.
>> Right now, I am sharing monitor cable and power cord. Since I need this
>> one more, I can only do a little at a time with the other one. Small
>> steps --little time, grin.
>>
>> Carol
>>
>>
>> On 12/13/2017 11:10 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:
>>> Carol,
>>>
>>> If you arrowed to the file, it may already have been selected.  I 
>>> wonder if
>>> Narrator may be incorrectly reporting the selection.  What happens 
>>> if you
>>> arrow to the file you want, do not press PSACE, do the CONTROL-C and 
>>> paste?
>>> I don't know if one can assume anything if Narrator remains silent 
>>> when you
>>> press CONTROL-C.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 9:36 AM
>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>>> Cc: Carol and Roger 
>>> Subject: Re: Now for a new challenge?
>>>
>>> Honest, I wouldn't joke about this one, grin.  I tried to copy and 
>>> paste
>>> a file to my new computer from an external drive.  I selected the by
>>> pressing spacebar.  Narrator said selected.  I did ctrl-c and Narrator
>>> said nothing.  OK, I thought maybe I didn't do it correctly. So, I
>>> deselected the file and did the same thing. Thinking it may just not
>>> speak, I pasted it to the new drive. Nothing happened.  I looked for 
>>> the
>>> edit commands and did not find them.  So, where do they hide?
>>>
>>> Carol
>>>
>>> On 12/13/2017 9:31 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
 Hi Carol,

 Ctrl-C, Ctrl-X, and Ctrl-V all work, as do the normal selection 
 methods,
>>> the only problem being Narrator's abysmal lack of verbosity.
 Best,

 Rod

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>>> On Behalf
>>> Of Carol and Roger via Talk
 Sent: December 13, 2017 7:26 AM
 To: talk >> Window-Eyes Discussion List 
 Cc: Carol and Roger 
 Subject: Now for a new challenge?

 OK, I have most of my files from my old PC on my external drive.  I 
 tried
>>> to copy one last night to the Win10 pc.  It still is using Narrator.  I
>>> tried using control-c to copy the file, but it would not copy.  Also, I
>>> could not find it on the ribbon. Where does one find editing commands?
>>> Thanks.
 Carol


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RE: One more question

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Carol,

Yes, setup.exe has a date modified of 1/11/17.

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: December 13, 2017 12:40 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Carol and Roger 
Subject: One more question

I want to install WE.  I have a vversion 9.5.4 which was dated January 
of this year.  Is this the one I need?  Are there any other files I 
need?  Thanks.

Carol

they sent me on my drive.
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Re: Now for a new challenge?

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Well, at this point, I don't know if there is one installed.  I did not 
take the option from macafey.  I plan to use Defender once I can move 
around a little in Win10.  It did show me the files on the drive, 
though.  Maybe I can play around a bit more this evening.


Carol


On 12/13/2017 12:44 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

I'm wondering if your antivirus software has blocked the external drive.
I've never used anything except Windows built-in antivirus software, Windows 
Defender, and so have not had any trouble with external drives.

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: December 13, 2017 12:22 PM
To: steve.jacob...@visi.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Cc: Carol and Roger 
Subject: Re: Now for a new challenge?

Thanks.  I will give that a try the next time I have the PC turned on.
Right now, I am sharing monitor cable and power cord. Since I need this
one more, I can only do a little at a time with the other one.  Small
steps --little time, grin.

Carol


On 12/13/2017 11:10 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:

Carol,

If you arrowed to the file, it may already have been selected.  I wonder if
Narrator may be incorrectly reporting the selection.  What happens if you
arrow to the file you want, do not press PSACE, do the CONTROL-C and paste?
I don't know if one can assume anything if Narrator remains silent when you
press CONTROL-C.

Best regards,

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 9:36 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Carol and Roger 
Subject: Re: Now for a new challenge?

Honest, I wouldn't joke about this one, grin.  I tried to copy and paste
a file to my new computer from an external drive.  I selected the by
pressing spacebar.  Narrator said selected.  I did ctrl-c and Narrator
said nothing.  OK, I thought maybe I didn't do it correctly.  So, I
deselected the file and did the same thing. Thinking it may just not
speak, I pasted it to the new drive. Nothing happened.  I looked for the
edit commands and did not find them.  So, where do they hide?

Carol

On 12/13/2017 9:31 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

Ctrl-C, Ctrl-X, and Ctrl-V all work, as do the normal selection methods,

the only problem being Narrator's abysmal lack of verbosity.

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk

[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: December 13, 2017 7:26 AM
To: talk >> Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Carol and Roger 
Subject: Now for a new challenge?

OK, I have most of my files from my old PC on my external drive.  I tried

to copy one last night to the Win10 pc.  It still is using Narrator.  I
tried using control-c to copy the file, but it would not copy.  Also, I
could not find it on the ribbon. Where does one find editing commands?
Thanks.

Carol


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RE: Now for a new challenge?

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Carol,

I'm wondering if your antivirus software has blocked the external drive.
I've never used anything except Windows built-in antivirus software, Windows 
Defender, and so have not had any trouble with external drives.

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: December 13, 2017 12:22 PM
To: steve.jacob...@visi.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Cc: Carol and Roger 
Subject: Re: Now for a new challenge?

Thanks.  I will give that a try the next time I have the PC turned on.  
Right now, I am sharing monitor cable and power cord. Since I need this 
one more, I can only do a little at a time with the other one.  Small 
steps --little time, grin.

Carol


On 12/13/2017 11:10 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:
> Carol,
>
> If you arrowed to the file, it may already have been selected.  I wonder if
> Narrator may be incorrectly reporting the selection.  What happens if you
> arrow to the file you want, do not press PSACE, do the CONTROL-C and paste?
> I don't know if one can assume anything if Narrator remains silent when you
> press CONTROL-C.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 9:36 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Cc: Carol and Roger 
> Subject: Re: Now for a new challenge?
>
> Honest, I wouldn't joke about this one, grin.  I tried to copy and paste
> a file to my new computer from an external drive.  I selected the by
> pressing spacebar.  Narrator said selected.  I did ctrl-c and Narrator
> said nothing.  OK, I thought maybe I didn't do it correctly.  So, I
> deselected the file and did the same thing. Thinking it may just not
> speak, I pasted it to the new drive. Nothing happened.  I looked for the
> edit commands and did not find them.  So, where do they hide?
>
> Carol
>
> On 12/13/2017 9:31 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>> Hi Carol,
>>
>> Ctrl-C, Ctrl-X, and Ctrl-V all work, as do the normal selection methods,
> the only problem being Narrator's abysmal lack of verbosity.
>> Best,
>>
>> Rod
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
> Of Carol and Roger via Talk
>> Sent: December 13, 2017 7:26 AM
>> To: talk >> Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Carol and Roger 
>> Subject: Now for a new challenge?
>>
>> OK, I have most of my files from my old PC on my external drive.  I tried
> to copy one last night to the Win10 pc.  It still is using Narrator.  I
> tried using control-c to copy the file, but it would not copy.  Also, I
> could not find it on the ribbon. Where does one find editing commands?
> Thanks.
>> Carol
>>
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One more question

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

I want to install WE.  I have a vversion 9.5.4 which was dated January 
of this year.  Is this the one I need?  Are there any other files I 
need?  Thanks.


Carol

they sent me on my drive.
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Re: Now for a new challenge?

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Thanks.  I will give that a try the next time I have the PC turned on.  
Right now, I am sharing monitor cable and power cord. Since I need this 
one more, I can only do a little at a time with the other one.  Small 
steps --little time, grin.


Carol


On 12/13/2017 11:10 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:

Carol,

If you arrowed to the file, it may already have been selected.  I wonder if
Narrator may be incorrectly reporting the selection.  What happens if you
arrow to the file you want, do not press PSACE, do the CONTROL-C and paste?
I don't know if one can assume anything if Narrator remains silent when you
press CONTROL-C.

Best regards,

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 9:36 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Carol and Roger 
Subject: Re: Now for a new challenge?

Honest, I wouldn't joke about this one, grin.  I tried to copy and paste
a file to my new computer from an external drive.  I selected the by
pressing spacebar.  Narrator said selected.  I did ctrl-c and Narrator
said nothing.  OK, I thought maybe I didn't do it correctly.  So, I
deselected the file and did the same thing. Thinking it may just not
speak, I pasted it to the new drive. Nothing happened.  I looked for the
edit commands and did not find them.  So, where do they hide?

Carol

On 12/13/2017 9:31 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

Ctrl-C, Ctrl-X, and Ctrl-V all work, as do the normal selection methods,

the only problem being Narrator's abysmal lack of verbosity.

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk

[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: December 13, 2017 7:26 AM
To: talk >> Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Carol and Roger 
Subject: Now for a new challenge?

OK, I have most of my files from my old PC on my external drive.  I tried

to copy one last night to the Win10 pc.  It still is using Narrator.  I
tried using control-c to copy the file, but it would not copy.  Also, I
could not find it on the ribbon. Where does one find editing commands?
Thanks.

Carol


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Re: google chrome

[Mike Rogers via Talk]

Thanks for the tutorial.  I prefer Chrome over I.E. and Firefox is out of the 
equation.  This is a great tutorial.



www.harmonicaworkshops.com



On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 19:41:49 -0500
David Moore via Talk  wrote:

> Hey Bob and all!
> I will paste my text tutorial on the Google Chrome browser right below this 
> message. You can read it here right in the email.
> I take you through everything, and all of the settings.
> Here is the tutorial right below!
> Tutorial for Using the Google Chrome Browser
> By David Moore
> This tutorial will be done with the latest update of Chrome.
> I will also use JAWS 18, JAWS 2018, and NVDA 2017.4 for this tutorial, 
> because they all work the same in Chrome.
> Finally, I will use Windows 10 Creators Update latest public build.
> I will assume that you have downloaded and installed Chrome.
> There should be a shortcut on your desktop.
> 
> Section One:
> Launching Chrome:
> One way to Launch Chrome, is to press the Windows key or CTRL+Escape and type 
> Chrome in the search edit field, and press enter when you hear JAWS say 
> Chrome.
> However, since you have already downloaded Chrome, You will have a shortcut 
> icon on your desktop.
> So next, find the shortcut for Chrome on your desktop, and press enter to 
> open Chrome.
> The short cut will actually say Google Chrome, so press G to find the Google 
> Chrome icon on your desktop.
> The first very important step, is to press Windows+up arrow to maximise the 
> window. Chrome often opens with the window not maximise, and you will get 
> undesirable results.
> 
> Section Two:
> Bringing up a web site.
> Press CTRL+L or Alt+D
> and type the following:
> www.freedomscientific.com
> The Freedom Scientific web site comes up very quickly.
> All navigation commands like: H for heading, E for edit field, C for combo 
> box, and so on all work just the same in Chrome.
> 
> Section Three:
> The Virticle Chrome menu:
> I will press Alt+F.
> The Chrome menu is open.
> This is a very large virticle menu that you just keep pressing up and down 
> arrow through.
> I will press insert+up arrow to hear the first option in this menu.
> New Tab, CTRL+T.
> You can press that command right from the web site you are on.
> New Window, CTRL+N
> You can press these commands right from your web page, instead of coming here.
> New incognito Window.
> History sub menu.
> I will press right arrow here to see what is in this sub menu!
> History, CTRL+H
> So, there is a key command for reading your history.
> You can read a few sites you were on right here.
> I will press left arrow to close this history sub menu.
> Downloads, CTRL+J
> There is the command for opening your downloads you have downloaded with 
> Chrome.
> Next, the important Bookmarks sub menu.
> I will press right arrow, to open this.
> I hear, bookmark this page, CTRL+D
> That command will bookmark the page you are reading.
> Next down arrow, says show bookmarks bar, CTRL+Shift+B
> That command, will show your bookmarks on your Chrome browser for all to see. 
> I do not want that.
> Here is the important one.
> manage bookmarks
> The command is, CTRL+Shift+O
> In here, you can organize your bookmarks into folders, see the bookmarks you 
> have imported from different browsers, and very importantly, you can 
> download, to your computer, an HTML file of all of your bookmarks in Chrome.
> On your computer, you can press enter on this file, after it downloads, and a 
> page will show up in Chrome with a list of all bookmarks you have saved in 
> Chrome. This is an awesome way to download all of your bookmarks right to 
> your computer, so you can back them up.
> That is all for manage bookmarks.
> Next, I hear import bookmarks and settings.
> press enter on this, and you can import all bookmarks and settings from IE, 
> and Firefox, right into Google Chrome, and they will be in their 
> corresponding folders.
> Now, I hear all of my saved bookmarks as I continue to arrow down.
> Very important!
> Sometimes, when I open that bookmarks sub menu, I do not land on the choices 
> I mension here, but instead, I start hearing my saved bookmarks. If this 
> happens, I press up arrow a few times, and it gets me to these choices.
> Keep in mind, that many of these choices, like bookmark manager, have key 
> commands, so you do not have to come to this bookmarks sub menu at all. You 
> only need to come here most of the time, to arrow through your saved 
> bookmarks, and enter on the desired one.
> To save a web site as a bookmark,
> Just press CTRL+D and press enter, and your bookmark is saved.
> I will now press left arrow, to close the Bookmarks sub menu!
> I will continue to down arrow through this virticle Chrome menu that we 
> entered by just pressing alt.
> The next few are very self explanatory.
> The next one I will mension, is the more tools submenu.
> I will press right arrow on this.
> I hear Save Page as, and the command, 

RE: Now for a new challenge?

[Steve Jacobson via Talk]

Carol,

If you arrowed to the file, it may already have been selected.  I wonder if
Narrator may be incorrectly reporting the selection.  What happens if you
arrow to the file you want, do not press PSACE, do the CONTROL-C and paste?
I don't know if one can assume anything if Narrator remains silent when you
press CONTROL-C.

Best regards,

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 9:36 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Carol and Roger 
Subject: Re: Now for a new challenge?

Honest, I wouldn't joke about this one, grin.  I tried to copy and paste 
a file to my new computer from an external drive.  I selected the by 
pressing spacebar.  Narrator said selected.  I did ctrl-c and Narrator 
said nothing.  OK, I thought maybe I didn't do it correctly.  So, I 
deselected the file and did the same thing. Thinking it may just not 
speak, I pasted it to the new drive. Nothing happened.  I looked for the 
edit commands and did not find them.  So, where do they hide?

Carol

On 12/13/2017 9:31 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi Carol,
>
> Ctrl-C, Ctrl-X, and Ctrl-V all work, as do the normal selection methods,
the only problem being Narrator's abysmal lack of verbosity.
>
> Best,
>
> Rod
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Carol and Roger via Talk
> Sent: December 13, 2017 7:26 AM
> To: talk >> Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Cc: Carol and Roger 
> Subject: Now for a new challenge?
>
> OK, I have most of my files from my old PC on my external drive.  I tried
to copy one last night to the Win10 pc.  It still is using Narrator.  I
tried using control-c to copy the file, but it would not copy.  Also, I
could not find it on the ribbon. Where does one find editing commands?
Thanks.
>
> Carol
>
>
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RE: google chrome

[Steve Jacobson via Talk]

This web browsing business is very frustrating.  On Monday, I needed to get
a password reminder from Delta Airlines and was routed to the password reset
page.  With Internet explorer 11, I found a heading for password reset, but
no edit boxes to perform the reset.  Being a somewhat reasonable human
being, I muttered some phrases I won't repeat and got all ready to launch a
campaign against Delta to make their site more accessible.  While my
frustrations may have been somewhat correctly placed, I used Google Chrome
to go to the same site.  What do you know, the edit boxes to enter and
re-enter my new password were as plain as day.  

Last week, I had to start entering time for work on a new time sheet system.
The first thing I had to do was to reset my temporary password.  I could
find no place to do that with Internet Explorer.  Again, trying Google
Chrome resulted in additional text and links showing on the same web page
that allowed me to do both.  Okay, so maybe I should switch always to Google
Chrome, right?  Possibly that makes sense, but it turns out that I can't
actually enter my time with Google Chrome.  The edit boxes inside the table
of dates does not seem to activate with JAWS or NVDA.  On the other hand,
those edit boxes act completely normal with Internet Explorer.  Go figure.

As many of you know, there is work going on to change the approach to
accessibility inside FireFox making current new versions not accessible.
>From what I have read, the ideas that are being explored have some promise,
but I am willing to bet that it will represent another interpretation of web
pages that, while possibly giving us better access, will add another
variable.  Of course, we already see differences between the Windows
platform and IOS, so this isn't anything new, but I find myself wondering
how such basic differences can occur in the experiences I've outlined above.
Also, what do we do inemployment situations when an employer may not allow
the installation of additional web browsers as mine doesn't?

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:42 AM
To: David Moore via Talk 
Cc: Tom Kingston 
Subject: Re: google chrome

Here's something that drove me crazy for a long time until I figured it 
out, no thanks to Google.
Pressing Control-Enter on a link or using the context menu to open a 
link in a new tab opens it in the background. This seems totally 
illogical to me. But I finally figured out that if I pressed 
Control-Shift-Enter on a link it will open the new tab in the foreground.
Hth,
Tom


On 12/12/2017 7:41 PM, David Moore via Talk wrote:
> Hey Bob and all!
> I will paste my text tutorial on the Google Chrome browser right below
this message. You can read it here right in the email.
> I take you through everything, and all of the settings.
> Here is the tutorial right below!
> Tutorial for Using the Google Chrome Browser
> By David Moore
> This tutorial will be done with the latest update of Chrome.
> I will also use JAWS 18, JAWS 2018, and NVDA 2017.4 for this tutorial,
because they all work the same in Chrome.
> Finally, I will use Windows 10 Creators Update latest public build.
> I will assume that you have downloaded and installed Chrome.
> There should be a shortcut on your desktop.
> 
> Section One:
> Launching Chrome:
> One way to Launch Chrome, is to press the Windows key or CTRL+Escape and
type Chrome in the search edit field, and press enter when you hear JAWS say
Chrome.
> However, since you have already downloaded Chrome, You will have a
shortcut icon on your desktop.
> So next, find the shortcut for Chrome on your desktop, and press enter to
open Chrome.
> The short cut will actually say Google Chrome, so press G to find the
Google Chrome icon on your desktop.
> The first very important step, is to press Windows+up arrow to maximise
the window. Chrome often opens with the window not maximise, and you will
get undesirable results.
> 
> Section Two:
> Bringing up a web site.
> Press CTRL+L or Alt+D
> and type the following:
> www.freedomscientific.com
> The Freedom Scientific web site comes up very quickly.
> All navigation commands like: H for heading, E for edit field, C for combo
box, and so on all work just the same in Chrome.
> 
> Section Three:
> The Virticle Chrome menu:
> I will press Alt+F.
> The Chrome menu is open.
> This is a very large virticle menu that you just keep pressing up and down
arrow through.
> I will press insert+up arrow to hear the first option in this menu.
> New Tab, CTRL+T.
> You can press that command right from the web site you are on.
> New Window, CTRL+N
> You can press these commands right from your web page, instead of coming
here.
> New incognito Window.
> History sub menu.
> I will press right arrow here to see what is in this sub menu!

Re: Now for a new challenge?

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Honest, I wouldn't joke about this one, grin.  I tried to copy and paste 
a file to my new computer from an external drive.  I selected the by 
pressing spacebar.  Narrator said selected.  I did ctrl-c and Narrator 
said nothing.  OK, I thought maybe I didn't do it correctly.  So, I 
deselected the file and did the same thing. Thinking it may just not 
speak, I pasted it to the new drive. Nothing happened.  I looked for the 
edit commands and did not find them.  So, where do they hide?


Carol

On 12/13/2017 9:31 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

Ctrl-C, Ctrl-X, and Ctrl-V all work, as do the normal selection methods, the 
only problem being Narrator's abysmal lack of verbosity.

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: December 13, 2017 7:26 AM
To: talk >> Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Carol and Roger 
Subject: Now for a new challenge?

OK, I have most of my files from my old PC on my external drive.  I tried to 
copy one last night to the Win10 pc.  It still is using Narrator.  I tried 
using control-c to copy the file, but it would not copy.  Also, I could not 
find it on the ribbon. Where does one find editing commands?  Thanks.

Carol


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RE: google chrome

[Bob Hicks via Talk]

Thanks Dave.  You sure are thorough!  I think I will give Chrome a try.

Have a great day!

Bob Hicks

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+bob=seeinghandassociation@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of David Moore via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 7:42 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: David Moore 
Subject: RE: google chrome

Hey Bob and all!
I will paste my text tutorial on the Google Chrome browser right below this
message. You can read it here right in the email.
I take you through everything, and all of the settings.
Here is the tutorial right below!
Tutorial for Using the Google Chrome Browser By David Moore This tutorial
will be done with the latest update of Chrome.
I will also use JAWS 18, JAWS 2018, and NVDA 2017.4 for this tutorial,
because they all work the same in Chrome.
Finally, I will use Windows 10 Creators Update latest public build.
I will assume that you have downloaded and installed Chrome.
There should be a shortcut on your desktop.

Section One:
Launching Chrome:
One way to Launch Chrome, is to press the Windows key or CTRL+Escape and
type Chrome in the search edit field, and press enter when you hear JAWS say
Chrome.
However, since you have already downloaded Chrome, You will have a shortcut
icon on your desktop.
So next, find the shortcut for Chrome on your desktop, and press enter to
open Chrome.
The short cut will actually say Google Chrome, so press G to find the Google
Chrome icon on your desktop.
The first very important step, is to press Windows+up arrow to maximise the
window. Chrome often opens with the window not maximise, and you will get
undesirable results.

Section Two:
Bringing up a web site.
Press CTRL+L or Alt+D
and type the following:
www.freedomscientific.com
The Freedom Scientific web site comes up very quickly.
All navigation commands like: H for heading, E for edit field, C for combo
box, and so on all work just the same in Chrome.

Section Three:
The Virticle Chrome menu:
I will press Alt+F.
The Chrome menu is open.
This is a very large virticle menu that you just keep pressing up and down
arrow through.
I will press insert+up arrow to hear the first option in this menu.
New Tab, CTRL+T.
You can press that command right from the web site you are on.
New Window, CTRL+N
You can press these commands right from your web page, instead of coming
here.
New incognito Window.
History sub menu.
I will press right arrow here to see what is in this sub menu!
History, CTRL+H
So, there is a key command for reading your history.
You can read a few sites you were on right here.
I will press left arrow to close this history sub menu.
Downloads, CTRL+J
There is the command for opening your downloads you have downloaded with
Chrome.
Next, the important Bookmarks sub menu.
I will press right arrow, to open this.
I hear, bookmark this page, CTRL+D
That command will bookmark the page you are reading.
Next down arrow, says show bookmarks bar, CTRL+Shift+B That command, will
show your bookmarks on your Chrome browser for all to see. I do not want
that.
Here is the important one.
manage bookmarks
The command is, CTRL+Shift+O
In here, you can organize your bookmarks into folders, see the bookmarks you
have imported from different browsers, and very importantly, you can
download, to your computer, an HTML file of all of your bookmarks in Chrome.
On your computer, you can press enter on this file, after it downloads, and
a page will show up in Chrome with a list of all bookmarks you have saved in
Chrome. This is an awesome way to download all of your bookmarks right to
your computer, so you can back them up.
That is all for manage bookmarks.
Next, I hear import bookmarks and settings.
press enter on this, and you can import all bookmarks and settings from IE,
and Firefox, right into Google Chrome, and they will be in their
corresponding folders.
Now, I hear all of my saved bookmarks as I continue to arrow down.
Very important!
Sometimes, when I open that bookmarks sub menu, I do not land on the choices
I mension here, but instead, I start hearing my saved bookmarks. If this
happens, I press up arrow a few times, and it gets me to these choices.
Keep in mind, that many of these choices, like bookmark manager, have key
commands, so you do not have to come to this bookmarks sub menu at all. You
only need to come here most of the time, to arrow through your saved
bookmarks, and enter on the desired one.
To save a web site as a bookmark,
Just press CTRL+D and press enter, and your bookmark is saved.
I will now press left arrow, to close the Bookmarks sub menu!
I will continue to down arrow through this virticle Chrome menu that we
entered by just pressing alt.
The next few are very self explanatory.
The next one I will mension, is the more tools submenu.
I will press right arrow on this.
I hear Save Page as, and the command, CTRL+S.
Next, Save to desktop.
This allows you to save the favorite of the 

RE: Now for a new challenge?

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Carol,

Ctrl-C, Ctrl-X, and Ctrl-V all work, as do the normal selection methods, the 
only problem being Narrator's abysmal lack of verbosity.

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: December 13, 2017 7:26 AM
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Cc: Carol and Roger 
Subject: Now for a new challenge?

OK, I have most of my files from my old PC on my external drive.  I tried to 
copy one last night to the Win10 pc.  It still is using Narrator.  I tried 
using control-c to copy the file, but it would not copy.  Also, I could not 
find it on the ribbon. Where does one find editing commands?  Thanks.

Carol


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Now for a new challenge?

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

OK, I have most of my files from my old PC on my external drive.  I 
tried to copy one last night to the Win10 pc.  It still is using 
Narrator.  I tried using control-c to copy the file, but it would not 
copy.  Also, I could not find it on the ribbon. Where does one find 
editing commands?  Thanks.


Carol


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Re: Is there a start up sound for sound for JAWS or a way to enable one?

[peter Chin via Talk]

Yes, Windows 8 does have a startup sound but no shut down sound.

-Original Message- 
From: Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 10:44 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: Is there a start up sound for sound for JAWS or a way to enable 
one?


Does Windows have a startup sound?  My Windows-7 had one, but 8.4 hasn't
made a sound.  Maybe I have to change a setting - I just haven't
bothered because of WE.

On 12/12/2017 6:50 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

That's a good question! Both Window Eyes and NVDA have a start up and
unloading sound.

On 12/12/2017 3:15 PM, Ashley Breger via Talk wrote:



Sent from my iPhone hi guys,
I was just wondering does anybody know if there is anyway to enable a
start up sound for jaws?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Ashley
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