Unsubscribing

[Andy Baracco via Talk]

i have been trying to unsub from this list. When I click the unsubscribe 
button I am told that I will receive an Email message in which there will be 
a link to click on, but i never receive that message. Any suggestions?


Andy

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Re: NVDA addons

[Andy Baracco via Talk]

URLs please?

Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "Joshua Kennedy via Talk" 

To: "'Window-Eyes Discussion List'" 
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 7:23 PM
Subject: NVDA addons



you get all of the addons from the NVDA community addons website.

you can also get some from Jeff's NVDA addons page.


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Re: makeing the switch

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i have heard and read this argument before. It may have held some water in 
the past, but not today. For one thing, most of us already have a computer, 
and have likely already paid for a screen reader, or had one purchased for 
them. So that savings that would come from buying the Mac does not apply. 
Also, today we have a free screen reader available in NVDA. I replaced a 
computer in 2012, and again this year. In both instances I considered a Mac, 
but in both instances when I did the math, it came out the same. I would be 
spending double to get a Mac with the same specs as a Windows machine that 
would be to my liking. Even a Mac Mini with decent specs would run me almost 
$1200.
Also, i have read that Apple's development of Voiceover for the Mac has been 
lagging over the last few years, and many who switch to the Mac find that 
they either have to also maintain a Windows PC for some tasks, or they have 
to install Windows on their Mac and either run a dual boot system or run 
Windows under a virtual machine. Also, if, like me, you have large amounts 
of data stored on external hard drives that have been formatted under 
Windows, you will not be able to transfer files to and from those devices 
with your Mac, thus again having to maintain another windows machine or 
running Windows on your Mac.

So i again purchased a Windows PC.

Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "Tony C via Talk" 
To: "Evan Reese" ; "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 


Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: makeing the switch


I just priced an I Mac at $1099. Hell, Jaws will cost you more than that, 
and then try and get tech support without being made to feel like you’re an 
idiot by their people. Thanks but no thanks


-Original Message- 
From: Evan Reese via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 12:02 PM
To: Charles Adkins ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: makeing the switch

For me at least, the expense of a new PC plus the expense of having to
switch to JAWS if WE goes under, might very well equal or exceed the 
expense

of a new Mac.
Evan

-Original Message- 
From: Charles Adkins via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 12:51 PM
To: Janet Brandly ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: makeing the switch

The only thing  that keeps me from switching is the expense of a mac and I
am obligated to use Windows at work at the radio station. I must admit
though that I use my desktops less and do most things on my Iphone. Again
its the big expense with Macs that does not make it easier to switch for 
me.

in fact, I'm using my iPhone to type this message.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 4, 2017, at 12:14 PM, Janet Brandly via Talk 
 wrote:


Hi Tony,

I totally agree and am in a similar situation. My laptop is likely 
nearing the end of its lifes'an and I'm seriously considering changing to 
an Apple product for those exact reasons. If you decide to blog about 
your experiences as you adjust to doing tasks with a different 
screen-reader, I'd be interested in following your adventures.



Janet

-Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 4:04 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: makeing the switch

Well, I guess I’ve fought it for as long as I can. I’ve refused for 
several years to consider switching to a Mac, but with the apparent 
demise of Window Eyes, and Jaws sucking as it always has, I’m going to be 
making the switch. I’ve been a loyal WE user since 2004, but it seems 
that it’s time to teach an old dog new tricks. lol. I can take my I phone 
or my I pad mini and have no problem using programs like Netflix, Slink, 
and other websites using Voice Over, that WE and Jaws say hey can’t 
because the sites aren’t accessible. I think I’ll keep one of my Windows 
PC’s with WE on it just so I can look back and think of all the money I 
spent just to be left with my thumb up my nose. When I think of the money 
I’ve spent maintaining a screen reader, and now the built in screen 
reader with the IOS works great with all those websites that were called 
by tech support for Jaws and window eyes “inaccessible”.. I know I may 
catch some flack for this, but it’s the truth none the less.I guess VFO 
thinks they’ve cornered the market on Screen readers, but I refuse to do 
business with them, because of who they are and who they are connected 
with. I started out with Windows 95 and JFW back in 1995, and I used Jaws 
up untill 2004 when a friend of mine and myself started building a web 
site, he was a WE user and I a Jaws user. I couldn’t do some of the thing 
with jaws and Freedom Scientific’s tech support told me it was because 
the page builder I was usin was “inaccessible”, but my buddy with Window 
eyes could do it. I started using WE to work on the website and as I got 
used to it I began using is more and more for other things. I found that 
WE 

Re: Mozilla Firefox question

[Andy Baracco via Talk]

Why would you not want it to update?

Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "Albert Sanchez via Talk" 

To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 8:28 AM
Subject: Mozilla Firefox question



   Hi List,
How do I get Mozilla Firefox to stop updating itself automatically? Also, 
how do I get it to stop going to the add-ons page? Running Windows 7 and 
WE 9.0.

Albert Sanchez
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Re: Question About Java

[Andy Baracco via Talk]

What do you mean by "running Java"?
It's just there, and runs in the background when it is needed.
Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "Robert Ringwald via Talk" 

To: "Talk" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 6:41 AM
Subject: Question About Java



Windows 10
Window-Eyes 9.5.4
WLM

in order to listen to remote receivers on ham radio, I need Java.

Is there any problem running Java with WE 9.5.4?


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Re: latest iTunes and Window-eyes

[Andy Baracco via Talk]

it depends on who you talk to. Some say it's the greatest thing since sliced 
bread.

Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "Brenda via Talk" 

To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 1:58 PM
Subject: latest iTunes and Window-eyes



Hi List,


the other day I read a couple posts aboutissues with the latest iTunes 
12.6 I believe.  so, I didn't download it when prompted. Are people having 
trouble with this latest iTunes and W-E?



Thanks,

Brenda

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Re: Rinstalling Windows & Window-Eyes

[Andy Baracco via Talk]

i just did that very thing, and had to obtain a replacement copy of WE from 
VFO because I had been upgrading on line, and the last disk I had was pretty 
old. The only problem was getting WE not to run at startup, but the "run as 
admin" tip did the trick. I do not like when any program just assumes that 
you want it to run at startup.


Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "Matthew Chao via Talk" 

To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 7:20 PM
Subject: Rinstalling Windows & Window-Eyes


Hi, Folks.  My computer crashed and I had to reinstall Windows 7 from 
scratch.  Are there any tweaks I need to do to get Window-Eyes to work 
optimally with Windows 7?  Thanks in advance.--Matthew Chao




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WE Startup

[Andy Baracco via Talk]

I recently installed WE on a new PC and WE starts automatically when the 
computer starts. I do not want this and have tried to disabled this in the 
startup submenu under General. Could someone share the steps with me to make 
sure I am doing what I am supposed to do?


Andy

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Re: SOMETHING STRANGE ON AMAZON.COM

[Andy Baracco via Talk]

I've had this happen when I entered the wrong login credentials. I made the 
mistake of allowing IE to save an old password, and thus the site would not 
accept my login even when I was entering the correct password. What worked 
for me was to delete the browsing history and to log in again entering the 
correct password.


Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2017 8:00 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: FW: SOMETHING STRANGE ON AMAZON.COM

Hi everyone,

I'm sure my friend, Olusegun wouldn't mind if I forward this to the list.
He sent it to me, but, clearly he intended it for the list.

With respect,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. 
[mailto:ukekearu...@valtdnet.com]

Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2017 8:21 PM
To: 'Rod Hutton' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 


Subject: SOMETHING STRANGE ON AMAZON.COM

Hi Great Folks:

I tried accessing amazon.com inter alia and got the following:








Enter the characters you see below

Sorry, we just need to make sure you're not a robot. For best results,
please make sure your browser is accepting cookies.








Type the characters you see in this image:







Try different image







Has anyone else experienced this?  I'm on a Windows7 64Bit computer running
IE11!  And as you can see, NO AUDIO equivalent was provided and thus I COULD
NOT solve the CAPTCHA.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado




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Re: Mozilla Firefox and auto updates

[Andy Baracco via Talk]

My only concern about that is if you use Webvisum some Firefox updates 
seemed to break Webvisum.


Andy


-Original Message- 
From: David Crowell via Talk

Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 8:53 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Mozilla Firefox and auto updates

Hi, I have used Mozilla firefox as my browser for quite a long time instead
of Internet Explorer.

Recently I have been getting a message when I open Firefox I get a window
that wants to know if I want to allow Firefox software auto updater.

I don't recall ever getting this message before and I am pretty sure it is
safe to allow the software auto updater but I want to see what others think
or know before I do allow firefox to update automatically.  I have just been
choosing no but once I close firefox and reopen I get the same question
again so it is becoming a real pain in the backside.  I know I am using the
most current version of Firefox.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.



Dave



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Re: fire at blazie engineering

[Andy Baracco via Talk]

Didn't know they still existed.


-Original Message- 
From: Josh Kennedy via Talk

Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2016 11:07 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: fire at blazie engineering

anyone remember this?


Fire at Blazie Engineering -- Deane Blazie
On Oct. 17, at 11:00 PM a fire broke out in the offices of Blazie
Engineering. Nobody was hurt. The building was badly damaged but most of
the important papers and stock were removed. Fortunately we are well
insured. We expect about a 2 week delay in shipments and we appreciate
your patience with this delay. We thank everyone for their concern. We
have received hundreds of phone calls with condolences and we are so
grateful to have such loyal and caring customers. Thank you.



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Re: nba audio pass

[Andy Baracco via Talk]

It's under NBA  League Pass.

Andy


-Original Message- 
From: richard kurlander via Talk

Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: nba audio pass

does anybody know where I can go to on the nba site to get an
audio-pass to hear the live audio streams of the games for all the nba 
teams?


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Re: Edit boxes in Firefox and Internet Explorer

[Andy Baracco via Talk]

That would work, but it is a lot of unnecessary work, and you shouldn't have 
to do it.


Andy


-Original Message- 
From: David via Talk

Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 12:40 AM
To: Reg Webb ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Edit boxes in Firefox and Internet Explorer

I agree, things should have worked differently. I have seen this kind of
behavior once in a while. One workaround is as follows.


1. Go to the Edit Box, and turn off the Browse Mode.

2. Mark all the text, and copy it to the clipboard.

3. Hit Ctrl-A, then Del, to delete the text from the editbox.

4. Open things like Notepad, and paste in your copied text.

5. Do your editting, and then copy all back to the clipboard.

6. Go back to the Editbox, with browse mode still turned off, and paste
in your etxt.


Like I said, it is a workaround - though a rather long way around a
simple bush. Things really should not have to be that way, and I don't
have a good answer on why they are.



David

On 9/22/2016 8:44 AM, Reg Webb via Talk wrote:

Hi Ahsley

Thanks for trying, but I don't think I explained the problem properly.
I know how to turn browse mode on and off.  The problem is that, when
browse mode is off, I should be able to edit what I've written.  When
this happens, for whatever reason, the edit box goes silent, and normal
reviewing with the arrow keys produces only silence.  The whole box
reads with browse mode turned on, but it obviously can't be edited.  So
far, the only way I've found to make the box speak when browse mode is
off is to close and reopen W-E.
I hope that's clearer.



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Re: Saying goodbye

[Andy Baracco via Talk]

I am a Chase customer, so I look forward to great things happening in terms 
of accessibility.


Best wishes,
Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Marc Solomon via Talk

Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 1:35 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Saying goodbye

Hi everyone,
It has been a pleasure and a privilege to be part of the Window-Eyes 
community for the past 7 years. So, it is with a heavy heart that I share 
this news. Today is my last day working for Ai Squared. I was made a job 
offer that was too good to refuse. As much as I love my current job, this 
was the best decision for my family. Next month, I will start my new job as 
a Senior Accessibility Specialist for JP Morgan Chase. This position will 
give me the opportunity to help Chase further their mission to build 
inclusive digital experiences for all of their customers. If you would like 
to stay in touch, feel free to follow me on Twitter. I don't tweet often, 
but when I do, I usually distribute information on digital accessibility and 
assistive technology. My handle is mr_marcsolomon. As a final thought, 
please continue to educate others about the importance of accessibility and 
do what you can to help make this world a better place.

Cheers,
Marc
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Re: Twitter client

[Andy Baracco via Talk]

I absolutely love TW Blue.

Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Karyn Campbell via Talk

Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 10:04 AM
To: Window-Eyes list
Subject: Twitter client

Hello all,

I'm looking for a twitter client that works well with Window-Eyes and has
been tested and works on Windows 10.  I currently use chicken nugget which I
don't believe was tested under Windows 10; and quite frankly my husband
doesn't think so either.

I've heard people talk about TW Blue.  Does this work under Windows 10? How
easy is it to use?

I just installed the 9.5.1 update on my asus machine and this is the machine
that I run my twitter client on.

Thanks.

Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA,  karyn1...@gmail.com
Using WE   9.4 on HP Pavilion running Windows 10 with Office 2013 and I.E.
11 as default browser and Asuss convertible laptop running Windows 10 with
Office 2013 and I.E. 11 as default browser and Vipre Antivirus on boht
machines.

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Re: David Wu interview

[Andy Baracco via Talk]

He reminded me of those interviews with the losing coach after a basketball 
game. What is he supposed to say?


Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Sky Mundell via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 7:39 PM
To: 'Darrell Bowles' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: David Wu interview

Me too. I've heard that before as well!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 7:39 PM
To: 'Marc Solomon'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: David Wu interview

Oh goodness. Everything's good, it's all great, and no one should panic.
I've heard that before...

Darrell Bowles
Assistive Technology Trainer
Pelissippi State Community College
8656613917




-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Marc Solomon via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 8:50 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: David Wu interview

For those interested, here is a link to a recent interview with David Wu,
former Ai Squared CEO/VP of Software Business at VFO:
http://podcast.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/FSCast127-David_Wu.mp3

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On June 15, 2016 8:25:07 PM Sky Mundell via Talk
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


But I bet if or when Narrator does have scripting kapabilities,
Dancing dots, and or Hartgen consultancy could make the scripts work with

Narrator.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Andy Baracco via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 5:14 PM
To: Larry Higgins; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Think Business

There are larger forces at work here. For one thing, smart phones and
tablets are replacing computers for many people. Many find that they
can do what they need to do with their smart phone or tablet, along
with consumption of content like music, videos, games, and sporting
events. My wife has an aging PC that she has not got around to
replacing because she is

doing everything with her iPhone, and is considering buying an iPad as
opposed to a PC. Many blind persons prefer a dedicated note taker to a
PC, and today's generation of note takers are not so dedicated anymore.
And as for those blind persons who use PCs, the free screen reader
NVDA is no longer a curiosity but is a viable solution for many home
PC users. PCs are still essential in the workplace, but the blind
population is growing older, and many who have worked are retiring.
And Apple continues to be an alternative solution for blind persons.
The demand for PC based screen reading software is decreasing, and
there just isn't enough demand to support several competing products.
I think that eventually advanced screen reader capability will be
built into Windows narrator and the AT companies will make their money
on hardware such as note takers, braille displays, and

low vision solutions.

Andy


-Original Message-
From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 3:40 PM
To: Mickey ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Think Business

AMEN!

On 6/15/2016 1:29 PM, Mickey via Talk wrote:

I probably shouldn't chime in on this, but I doubt if
the people at Window-Eyes had a lot to say about this sale. The
parent compan is AI Squared, and I'm sure they made the decision.


No, the good people at WE sold to AI Squared because they kept their
prices affordable, and it's hard to feed a family on affordability.


The men and women who worked for WE and AI Squared were dedicated,
caring people. Unfortunately, big business gets the nod.


I've been a GW customer for 22 years, and love it. Don't forget all
the times they helped us out of jams, and not only in working hours.


There was no betrayal here, simply economics. At least we still have
WE for now, and we need to stop giving the wrong people grief.
Granted, we think they're there to please us, and they have, for many
years. But I suspect they couldn't do it alone any more.


Thank you Doug, Dan, Chris, Marc, and all the people I've missed for
exemplary service. May it continue!


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[Andy Baracco via Talk]

There are larger forces at work here. For one thing, smart phones and 
tablets are replacing computers for many people. Many find that they can do 
what they need to do with their smart phone or tablet, along with 
consumption of content like music, videos, games, and sporting events. My 
wife has an aging PC that she has not got around to replacing because she is 
doing everything with her iPhone, and is considering buying an iPad as 
opposed to a PC. Many blind persons prefer a dedicated note taker to a PC, 
and today's generation of note takers are not so dedicated anymore.
And as for those blind persons who use PCs, the free screen reader NVDA is 
no longer a curiosity but is a viable solution for many home PC users. PCs 
are still essential in the workplace, but the blind population is growing 
older, and many who have worked are retiring. And Apple continues to be an 
alternative solution for blind persons. The demand for PC based screen 
reading software is decreasing, and there just isn't enough demand to 
support several competing products. I think that eventually advanced screen 
reader capability will be built into Windows narrator and the AT companies 
will make their money on hardware such as note takers, braille displays, and 
low vision solutions.


Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Larry Higgins via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 3:40 PM
To: Mickey ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Think Business

AMEN!

On 6/15/2016 1:29 PM, Mickey via Talk wrote:

I probably shouldn't chime in on this, but I doubt if
the people at Window-Eyes had a lot to say about this sale. The parent
compan is AI Squared, and I'm sure they made the decision.


No, the good people at WE sold to AI Squared because they kept their
prices affordable, and it's hard to feed a family on affordability.


The men and women who worked for WE and AI Squared were dedicated,
caring people. Unfortunately, big business gets the nod.


I've been a GW customer for 22 years, and love it. Don't forget all the
times they helped us out of jams, and not only in working hours.


There was no betrayal here, simply economics. At least we still have WE
for now, and we need to stop giving the wrong people grief. Granted, we
think they're there to please us, and they have, for many years. But I
suspect they couldn't do it alone any more.


Thank you Doug, Dan, Chris, Marc, and all the people I've missed for
exemplary service. May it continue!


Mickey Prahin


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Re: betrayal

[Andy Baracco via Talk]

Bye Bye Window-Eyes. Bye Bye Zoomtex


-Original Message- 
From: Ray Campbell via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 7:56 AM
To: Reeva Webb ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: betrayal

Darrell:  I'm thinking many of those same thoughts on initially
reading about this.  Kind of looks on the surface like AT they were
broken up in the 80's because they were a monopoly, then have
gradually built themselves back into the huge company they were.
Looks on the surface, also, like typical business dealing, you can't
beat the competition, so you, in the case of Freedom/VFO, buy them out
to get rid of them.

Please, AI Squared staff, shed lite on why you're jumping in bed with
the enemy so to speak.

Ray Campbell
ray153...@gmail.com


On 6/14/16, Reeva Webb via Talk  wrote:

What's going on? Ai2 got eaten by the shark?



On Tuesday, June 14, 2016, Matthew Chao via Talk

wrote:


What company joined Freedom Scientific?--Matthew Chao.




On 6/14/2016 10:27 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:


Let me get this straight:

The company that is sued by freedom scientific, now joins  them? How are
we
supposed to be assured of  excellent customer service?

That is not exactly Freedom Scientific's strong point.


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Re: using the norton removal tool and ridding myself ofNortoninternetsecurity

[Andy Baracco via Talk]

Making it easier for a user to remove would also make it easier for malware 
to remove it.


Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 12:26 PM
To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: using the norton removal tool and ridding myself 
ofNortoninternetsecurity


Norton is a different type of thing.  I mean, just the fact
that they had to produce a special tool to remove their software shows
how bad it is.  Any good software developer should make it easy for the
user to uninstall the program, and leave no traces of the program
behind, you know just in case they might just wanna change their mind
and put the program back on.  Also, this captcha thing...don't even get
me started.  If they're going to protect their instalation with one,
offer an alternative. i guess the people at Norton don't think blind
people can use computers independently. I shouldn't have to ask for
sighted help.  Actually, the program shouldn't have even been downloaded
and installed onto my pc in the first place, but we won't go there.







On 5/25/2016 3:20 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
You mean you don't have to do that anymore?  I know in 98, xp and vista, I 
had to make sure something was fully installed, or I couldn't uninstall 
it. I didn't know things had changed.  Or is it just changed when you are 
using a removal tool instead of just uninstalling a program?  Pam.


-Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 12:29 PM
To: 'Chris Skarstad' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: using the norton removal tool and ridding myself of 
Nortoninternetsecurity


Hi Chris,

My gut tells me to do a system restore back to the time just after Norton
was installed, and proceed to uninstall it then.
This wayk, you have a full installation of Norton to work with.
Another choice, if you don't like the system restore idea, is to install
Norton again from the web, again, with the goal of having a full
installation.
Of course, the removal tool should work just fine, and I've used it 
myself,

since it is very powerful.
However, my advice comes from my experience of the bad old days when it 
was

necessary to ensure a program was fully installed before you were able to
uninstall it successfully.
As for your Winamp playlist editor problem, I'd be happy to talk with you
via Skype or telephone, if you'd like help.
Simply write to me off list.

Best,

Rod


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf

Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: May 25, 2016 11:10 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: using the norton removal tool and ridding myself of Norton
internetsecurity

Hey Chris



I have another idea that I might investigate as well. I have a sighted
friend who might be willing to do a remote session with me and he may be
able to read the captcha that way.  I hate when these programs download 
this

extra stuff you don't want or need. To me, it should be a hell of a lot
easier to uninstall these programs. If norton insists on having a captcha
built into their installer, it should have an audio challenge button so 
that

blind people can listen, and get the job done a whole lot faster. It's
embarassing enough to ask for help, let alone having downloaded something
you didn't even need to. Outside of that, I have to say this new system is
running very nicely!  Window-eyes is still not reading a few things like
some text areas, and the Winamp playlist editor still remains to be 
silent,

but I have people looking into that.
Thanks!



On 5/25/2016 9:20 AM, Chris Grabowski wrote:


Hi,
Best advice is to get a set of eyes to run the Norton removal utility.
Antivirus programs do some things that prevent programs like revo

uninstaller to completely remove them.  It makes sense actually. You
wouldn't want a virus to easily remove Norton.



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-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:29 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: using the norton removal tool and ridding myself of
Norton internetsecurity

Hi


I don't currently have the plugin but I can get it for sure.  I don't
believe that would work though, because remember, Firefox has to be
running and in focus for the plugin to do its work, so I don't know if
that would do the job.

The  removal tool is a separate program that you download and run
completely separate from Firefox.






On 5/24/2016 11:20 PM, Andy Baracco wrote:

Do you have Firefox? You could try using the Webvisum add on for
Firefox to help you solve the CAPTCHA.

Andy


-Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 

Re: using the norton removal tool and ridding myself of Norton internetsecurity

[Andy Baracco via Talk]

Do you have Firefox? You could try using the Webvisum add on for Firefox to 
help you solve the CAPTCHA.


Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 6:42 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: using the norton removal tool and ridding myself of Norton 
internetsecurity


Hi folks


Well, I've gotten myself in quite a bind here, and I  don't quite know
what to do next.   A few nights ago, I downloaded a program that had
other software bundled with it, and one of the programs was Norton
Internet security, this is of course a trial version. I didn't want it
on my system so I ran a little program I use called Revo Uninstaller.
Most times, it can remove programs and go a bit deeper and remove some
registry entries and other files left over, without being destructive to
other programs.  With some programs, though, it has to run the program's
original installer. Can you guys see where this is going?  I was somehow
able to get the program to uninstall from my system, but not completely
though.  Unfortunately there are no entries for it in the listing for
programs and features, and after Revo Uninstaller ran and did the best
job it could, unfortunately, it removed the entry for Norton Internet
security.  I looked in c:\program files\(x86)

  and found the following folders.   Norton Internet security, and
Norton Installer.  I looked inside the folders, especially norton
installer thinking there was a way to uninstall it from there, but no
dice.  So I dit a bit of research and found out that Norton has a
removal tool. I downloaded it and ran it and agreed to the license
agreement, but when I got to the next screen, ...I was greeted with a
security check screen with a captcha that I absolutely, positively can
not solve no matter what.  Does anyone have any idea about how I can
figure out how to get past this captcha in some way, or am I going to
have to rely on a pare of working eyes to get past this?  Alternatively,
do you guys think it would be safe for me to delete the 2 folders in
question?  I did a bit of checking and it looks as if Norton, in its
infinite wissdom has disabled Windows defender, and there's no way to
re-enable it until I can get Norton off my system. Like I say, I never
actually meant to download the program but it came bundled with
something else and I've no idea how to rid myself of it. I don't want to
do anything destructive, as this is a brand new machine running
Windows 10.  Hopefully, one of you guys will have some answers.


Thanks!

I have to say I feel kind of embarassed about this one.


Chris


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Re: Windows live mail going away question

[Andy Baracco via Talk]

Well, that doesn't mean that it will disappear from your computer. There are 
folks who are still using Eudora.


Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 8:09 AM
To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows live mail going away question

Did they say they would stop supporting it?  If so, what are we supposed to
use instead?  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 9:44 AM
To: Gayle ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows live mail going away question

they may quit supporting WLM, and may not be any new versions but I'm still
using it on a Windows 10 PC.

-Original Message- 
From: Gayle via Talk

Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 8:22 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Windows live mail going away question

Hi, I have Windows 7 and Windows live mail. I have WE 8.4. I heard that
windows live mail is going away. Which email program would work best with
WE8.4? Any assistance is greatly appreciated. Thanks. Gayle
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Re: Window-Eyes features

[Andy Baracco via Talk]

I used to have one for OFFICE 2007 made by a company called Add In Tools.

Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Chris Grabowski via Talk

Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 8:55 AM
To: Sky Mundell ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; 'Darrell Bowles'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes features

Hi,

This is just a thought for the app developers out there.
Someone could  write a Window-eyes app to create a virtual ribbon.
Having said that, I messed with an Office extension about a year ago that 
turned the ribbons into menus.  When I went to Office 2016 it stopped 
working and I haven't been back to it.


I can't remember the name of the extension though.

Chris


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-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk

Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 9:58 PM
To: 'Darrell Bowles' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 


Subject: RE: Window-Eyes features

The JAWS one isn't on by default. You have to go into startup wizard and
enable it.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 6:57 PM
To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes features

Personally, I see no problem using the ribbons in Microsoft products. The
ribbons are not going anywhere. However, I do think, that if necessary a
virtual ribbon menu should be an option, it should not be by default.

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 28, 2016, at 9:50 PM, Dennis Long via Talk

 wrote:


I third that.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Rick Jarvis via Talk
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 9:13 PM
To: Sky Mundell ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Window-Eyes features

I second that motion!!


On 2/28/2016 5:12 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
Hello guys.  Has AI Squared staff ever considered, in the next
version of Window-Eyes, a feature that one other screen reader has?
That feature is called Virtual ribbons. What Virtual ribbons does is
it makes the ribbons in Microsoft office 2007 upwards into a menu bar.
That is a feature that every screen reader should have. Window-Eyes
should have a virtual ribbons like feature.

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Re: Update Warning

[Andy Baracco via Talk]

A mobility instructor once told me that the fastest route between two points 
is the one you know. To paraphrase, the best computing solution for you is 
the one that you feel most comfortable with.


Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Gary Melconian via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 9:20 PM
To: 'Pamela Dominguez' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Pastor Gil Pries'
Subject: RE: Update Warning

No matter you are going ot get windows 10. Guys face the facts its time oto
move on from windows 7 or 8 to windows 10. It's a much better platform then
7 or 8 eve was. Best world the best o 7 and 8.1 comined into windows 10.
Thast a much better solution then anything else.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+garymelc=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 8:51 PM
To: Pastor Gil Pries ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Update Warning

Yes, I have heard it comes back.  They are really trying to push it on us.
Pam.

-Original Message-
From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 9:04 AM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Update Warning

Hi,
The update, KB3035583, came back in my update list after I hid it 2 dtimes.
This is the third time I have hidden it.
It put the Get Windows 10 icon in my systray.
Once I uninstalled it the icon is gone again.
Thought you all would like to know.

Pastor Gil
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Re: Update Warning

[Andy Baracco via Talk]

The main concern for me is that I have an older computer with older 
peripherals. I'm sure my computer can run Windows 10, but I fear that there 
may not be Windows 10 drivers for my peripherals, meaning that I will have 
to spend money to replace them, so this isn't necessarily a painless or free 
deal for me.


Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Bob Tinney via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 9:00 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Update Warning

I just can't figure out why so many are afraid of Windows 10.  You can
update to windows 10 for free until July 17 of this year.  After that,
it will cost $100.00.  Windows 10 is much faster and more secure that
Windows 7 and easier to use and faster than windows 8 and 8.1.

Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net


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Re: Dan is retiring

[Andy Baracco via Talk]

I envy you and hope to follow that road in the near future. Thanks for all 
you do and have done.


Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Dan Weirich via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 9:39 AM
To: Dan Weirich
Subject: Dan is retiring

I am retiring.

My career in the Assistive Technology industry started in the late 80's, 
working for Computer Aids Corp. for a couple years, where I met Doug 
Geoffray.  Then I partnered with Doug to launch GW Micro in 1990 which 
operated for 24 years, followed by our merging into Ai Squared in 2014.  So 
now, after almost 28 years in the AT industry, it's time for me to take a 
break.  I will be retired from Ai Squared after this week.  No worries - the 
rest of the Fort Wayne office and staff will continue as normal - whatever 
normal means .


I'm not very active on this list but I look at many of the posts and I know 
many of your names even if we rarely talk on the phone or meet in person.  I 
will continue to support Ai Squared and if the opportunity presents itself 
who knows - I might come back for a few special projects from time to time. 
Thank you very much for your support and friendship.


One thing I understand - this industry is very different from all others. 
The people I know not only want to stay active, employed or stay in business 
but they also want to make the world a better place by providing quality 
products and services.  You should all be proud of whatever contribution you 
personally make.


Thank you all again for your friendship and loyalty over the many years.

Take care,

Dan

Daniel R. Weirich
VP of Strategic Programs
AI Squared
725 Airport North Office Park
Fort Wayne, IN  46825
www.gwmicro.com
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Re: an alternative to webvisum

[Andy Baracco via Talk]

I believe that Rumola charges $9.99 for 50 credits and each CAPTCHA solve 
costs one credit.


Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Terry Chaney via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 5:13 PM
To: Chris Grabowski ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: an alternative to webvisum

Can you give me an idea of how much a solution costs after the free ones?
Terry Chaney

On 2/10/2016 1:21 PM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:

Hi,
www.skipinput.com
It isn't free but works well.


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-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Mike Bernard via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 12:54 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: an alternative to webvisum

Hi everyone,

I've been using Webvisum for the longest time now and as of lastnight, 
I've

noticed that its no longer installed on my computer. I've tried to install
it, but no matter what I do, I just can't get it to work for me. Every 
time

I try to install it, I get a message that says, "firefox has prevented the
installation of an unverified ad-on." What's happened to Webvisum? It was
the only accessible method we had to solve those irritating captchas and 
now

it appears to be gone. Is there an alternative?

Mike

Rochester, NY.


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Re: w-e 9.3

[Andy Baracco via Talk]

yes! That's what i have.

Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Norene Trappa via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 1:26 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: w-e 9.3

I am still using windows 7.  Will w-e 9.3 work nicely with windows 7?

Norene

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Re: Webvisum

[Andy Baracco via Talk]

Yes, this is true, and nobody seems to be home at Webvisum.

Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Reg Webb via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 3:31 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Webvisum

Out of interest, has anyone else found that Mozilla disables Webvisum in
its latest version?
I've contacted Webvisum asking if they can fix the problem, but nothing
back yet.

--
Reg


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Re: WE 9.3.1.0

[Andy Baracco via Talk]

same here!

Andy

-Original Message- 
From: Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 10:41 PM
To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: WE 9.3.1.0

I clicked on check for updates from the help menu, then tried to
download 9.3.1 and got an error message saying something like generating
update please wait.  This update either could not be downloaded or was
not downloaded successlly.  Please try again later, and then some advice
about making sure the antivirus program doesn
't prevent the down
Onloading from occurring. 12/22/2015 11:01 PM, net bat wrote:
try alt tabbing to see if the download dialog is running in the 
background.
with me if i use i e 11 the files will download to the download folder but 
there will be no indication the download took place until you manually go 
to your download folder to take a look.
if it did download from within w e help menu it would be in your temp 
folder. as we93upgrade.exe

but the folder might be hidden.
it would be in:
c:\users\your account\appdata\local\temp. use first letter navigation to 
find it or the search with f3 while in the temp folder.


-Original Message- From: Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 7:37 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: WE 9.3.1.0

Hello, I am unable to download the upgrade.  I've tried upgrading from
the help menu and the updates website.  When I hit enter on the upgrade
button, nothing seems to happen, yet WE says I've accessed the upgrade
ten times.  I've tried pressing the applications key to no avail.

Upgrade Information:
Our records indicate that you own
Window-Eyes 9.3.1.0
, the most current version of Window-Eyes. Thank you for your continued
support.

NOTE: This upgrade requires at least Window-Eyes 8.0 to be installed
prior to the upgrade installation. All 32-bit and 64-bit versions of
Windows Vista, Windows Server 2008, Windows Server 2012, Windows 7,
Windows 8, and Windows 10 are supported with this upgrade.

To download your upgrade, please select the following button:

Note: You have accessed this upgrade 10 times.

Download Window-Eyes 9.3.1.0 Upgrade

This upgrade has been accessed more than the allowed number of times.
Consequently, upgrades have been halted for this serial number. If you
require additional assistance, please contact our technical support
department at 802-362-3612, or via email at
wesupp...@aisquared.com
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Can't Update

[Andy Baracco via Talk]

I have WE 9.2.1 and am trying to update to 9.3.1. i tried to update through the 
check for updates item and it says the download reached 100% but then nothing 
else happens. I have attempted to download the file from the web site, but when 
I hit the download update button nothing happens. What should I do?

Andy
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