RE: Webinar and tutorial topics - feedback requested

[Rick Blair via Talk]

Hello Mark:


Below are some of my musings regardins trainings and webinars.

Audio editing using Audacity with Window eyes.

Tips to give the sighted so that they can produce accessible html emails.
How to alt tag images, links, etc. Segment emails using headings, etc.

Working with visual Studio.


Microsoft office, going beyond the basics:
Customizing and using the quick navigation toolbar.
Working with styles in MS Word.
Working with the recovered documents pain.
Working with the VBA editor. Note, this is not how to program, but more on
how to use the tools provided.
Working with the trace and formula error dialogs in MS Excel. Since the
trace seems too graphical, I am not sure if this has a way to use without
vision.
MS Outlook, managing views, like conversation. Grouping emails by date,
sender, sorting choices, etc.
Advanced slide automations in MS Power Point. Playing sounds, videos, custom
slide animation, etc.
Creating and entering data in a form in MS Word
Tips and techniques for collaborative document editing using MS Word with
multiple content creators, both sighted and blind.
How to create a document in MS Word so that it can be turned into a
navigable pdf document for screen readers.
Working with fields in MS Word (e.g. cross references, footnotes, document
references, Table of contents, etc.) How to navigate a document using
hyperlink references. Adding and removing headers and footers, filling out
headers and footers.
Managing contacts in MS Outlook
Working with MS Visio

If any of the above topics pique your interest, feel free to contact me off
list to discuss further.

Rick Blair
softwarethatwo...@gmail.com



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Behalf Of Marc Solomon via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 12:16 PM
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Training List 
Subject: Webinar and tutorial topics - feedback requested

Ai Squared would like to request your feedback. What topics, applications
and tasks would you like for us to cover in a future Window-Eyes webinar or
tutorial? The more information and details you can provide the better. Here
are a few examples to get your creative juices flowing:

1. Using the Start Menu in Windows 10
2. Finding apps in the Windows Store
3. Purchasing a product from Amazon.com
4. What is ARIA and how can it help me on the web?
5. What is a Window-Eyes app?

Thanks,
Marc Solomon
Ai Squared


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RE: Math-ml

[Rick Blair via Talk]

What program are you using to display the MathML? Most modern web browsers
can display MathML. Microsoft Word's equation editor provides a limited
MathML editor capability. There are also specific MathML editors.

I have been unsuccessful in having Window Eyes speak all facets of an
equation created in Microsoft Word in its equation editor.

Rick

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Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 4:34 PM
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Subject: Math-ml

Hi:
Has anyone tried to use Window-eyes with Math-ml?  If so, how did you
get it to read read an entire equation?
Kevin Huber
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How to turn off speaking punctuation

[Rick Blair via Talk]

Hello list:

 

On one of my computers, I had turned on the feature to have WE speak
characters, like plus, minus, slash, etc. Looking through the WE control
panel, I cannot seem to find how to turn this off. I would think it is in
the verbosity settings, but I just can't seem to find it. Any help is
appreciated.

 

Thanks, rick

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RE: Microsof Word Problem

[Rick Blair via Talk]

Hello Chip:

Thanks for the quick reply. I disabled the Word Navigation app with no
change in behavior. I have some additional data to add, though.

There are four reviewers of the document. If I attempt to not show comments
for one of the reviewers, with only the offending document open, the same
misbehavior is exhibited (no speech for the Word document when navigating
and Insert-Tab shortcut no longer functions).

Unfortunately, I am using the Office version of WE. I have only needed WE
for the past 10 months and am eagerly awaiting the release of their Zoom
Text Fusion before plunking down my money, since I still rely on
magnification as well as speech.

Thanks, Rick

-Original Message-
From: Chip Orange [mailto:cora...@psc.state.fl.us] 
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 11:39 AM
To: Rick Blair <softwarethatwo...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Microsof Word Problem

Hi Rick,

I don't believe there's any specific app involved here, as the functionality
you describe is part of the basic Window-Eyes.

I did write a word related app named Word Advanced Features, and AI has
written one named Word Navigation; so I guess the best thing to try is to
disable these if you have installed them, to see if the problem is fixed.

If disabling Word Advanced Features fixes the issue, then let me know;
otherwise, I think (assuming you aren't using the free version of
Window-Eyes), however your test turns out, or if you don't have these
installed, I'd let AI support know about the problem by emailing them the
document to their support email.

I've never seen this happen, and have no ideas as to what could be wrong.

Sorry I can't be of more help.

Chip





Chip Orange
Florida Public Service Commission
Computer Systems Analyst
850-413-6314



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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+corange=psc.state.fl...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Rick Blair via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 11:25 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Microsof Word Problem

I have a Microsoft Word document that I created that contains 21 pages, 5600
words, 47 comments, numerous perceived misspellings (since it contains XML
code samples), some tracked changes and a couple of graphics. If I open this
document by itself, I have no problem navigating and having WE read the
document. I should mention that some of the comments are quite extensive,
often several paragraphs long. I can use the Insert-Tab keyboard shortcut to
view the various components of the word document. I am not sure what app
provides this functionality, but it works as long as this is the only Word
document open.

 

If I open a second Word document, the Insert-Tab shortcut no longer works on
the aforementioned document and scrolling through the document produces no
speech. This is not the case for the second opened word document, which
works just fine.

 

If I open two small word documents on my PC, WE behaves as expected. I can
switch between the documents and WE reads the text and the Inset-Tab
shortcut works. The problem seems to be related to the document that I
created. I cannot isolate the aspect of that document that causes this
misbehavior.

 

This happens on my work PC running office 2010, Windows 7 Pro, 12 G RAM as
well as my home PC, Office 2013, Win 7 Pro, 18 G Ram. I have the latest
version of WE (9.2 for office) with all updates and correct set files. I
also have Zoom Text, Version 10.0 running on both PCs. Zoom Text can read
the document when WE does not.

 

Rick

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RE: Microsof Word Problem

[Rick Blair via Talk]

Hello Chip:

Thanks for catching me not replying to all. I meant to. My bad. Rick

-Original Message-
From: Chip Orange [mailto:cora...@psc.state.fl.us] 
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 2:52 PM
To: Rick Blair <softwarethatwo...@gmail.com>
Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Microsof Word Problem

Thanks for letting me know Rick, and glad it worked!

I'm going to copy the list on your latest reply so others can know about it.

Chip





Chip Orange
Florida Public Service Commission
Computer Systems Analyst
850-413-6314



-Original Message-
From: Rick Blair [mailto:softwarethatwo...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 2:45 PM
To: Chip Orange
Subject: RE: Microsof Word Problem

Hello Chip:

I guess I should have tried the repair option first. It is quite buried in
the file open dialog (right click on the open button in the file open dialog
box to find the option. Not available if opening recents) , but it appears
to have fixed the problem. The document in question has been annotated
during its history by several people on several continents using their own
language-specific versions of operating systems and Word, including various
versions of Word. Opening the file with the repair option seems to have
solved my problem. I will keep you posted as I perform my latest revisions
to see if it comes back.

I love it when this list works!

Thanks, Rick

-Original Message-
From: Chip Orange [mailto:cora...@psc.state.fl.us] 
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 12:19 PM
To: Rick Blair <softwarethatwo...@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Microsof Word Problem

Hi Rick,

I am not sure what I can add.  You could try to open the document with the
repair option to see if it's damaged (a damaged document could perhaps cause
Word or Window-Eyes to act strangely), otherwise, it's a WE bug it sounds
like, and without support there's not much to be done.

You could try installing my Word Advanced Features app.  I don't usually
recommend it for trouble shooting, but it has a feature where it reads to
you tracked changes as you arrow to each line (so you don't have to move to
them), and perhaps it would keep WE from hitting some tracked changes
feature which is stopping it dead.

You could send me the document and I'd have a quick look at it to see if
anything suggests itself to me?


If this is for your work  (and I think it is), I'd think it's worth buying
WE now and paying the upgrade fee for fusion later, so you'd get support
now.

Those are all the options I can think of.



Chip








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Florida Public Service Commission
Computer Systems Analyst
850-413-6314



-Original Message-
From: Rick Blair [mailto:softwarethatwo...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 12:02 PM
To: Chip Orange; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Microsof Word Problem

Hello Chip:

Thanks for the quick reply. I disabled the Word Navigation app with no
change in behavior. I have some additional data to add, though.

There are four reviewers of the document. If I attempt to not show comments
for one of the reviewers, with only the offending document open, the same
misbehavior is exhibited (no speech for the Word document when navigating
and Insert-Tab shortcut no longer functions).

Unfortunately, I am using the Office version of WE. I have only needed WE
for the past 10 months and am eagerly awaiting the release of their Zoom
Text Fusion before plunking down my money, since I still rely on
magnification as well as speech.

Thanks, Rick

-Original Message-
From: Chip Orange [mailto:cora...@psc.state.fl.us] 
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 11:39 AM
To: Rick Blair <softwarethatwo...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Microsof Word Problem

Hi Rick,

I don't believe there's any specific app involved here, as the functionality
you describe is part of the basic Window-Eyes.

I did write a word related app named Word Advanced Features, and AI has
written one named Word Navigation; so I guess the best thing to try is to
disable these if you have installed them, to see if the problem is fixed.

If disabling Word Advanced Features fixes the issue, then let me know;
otherwise, I think (assuming you aren't using the free version of
Window-Eyes), however your test turns out, or if you don't have these
installed, I'd let AI support know about the problem by emailing them the
document to their support email.

I've never seen this happen, and have no ideas as to what could be wrong.

Sorry I can't be of more help.

Chip





Chip Orange
Florida Public Service Commission
Computer Systems Analyst
850-413-6314



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From: Talk
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Behalf Of Rick Blair via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 11:25 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Microsof Word Problem

I have a Microsoft Word document t

RE: itunes problems

[Rick Blair via Talk]

What version of iTunes are you running? What version of Window Eyes are you
running? What version of Operating System?

Rick

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+softwarethatworks=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Jed Barton via Talk
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 9:47 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: itunes problems

Hey guys,

I am running itunes with window-eyes cause i have to sink with my phone. 
  When i load it, and hit the up and down arrow, all i hear is top and 
bottom.
   When i press tab it says no link or control.  I can not get to the 
buttons or anything that say iphone.  What am i doing wrong?  I have 
something coming up that says itunes store, and then makes a little sound.
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RE: Why does Window-Eyes just stop talking?

[Rick Blair via Talk]

It's easy to say AI Squared should fix the problem. Unfortunately, no
software company, no matter how large or how small, can replicate every
single possible combination of computer configurations and permutations.
Unless you work for a large corporation where each PC is a clone of your
coworker, it is highly unlikely that any WE user's PC is configured
identically to that of another WE user. There's Win 7, 8.0, 8.1 and 10.
There's a plethora of patches. Various browsers, email clients, versions of
Flash and java, etc., not to mention all the different web sites and
applications.
Software companies maintain a set of computers with the most likely software
operating systems and applications to use for testing their software and
simulating user environments. But even in these controlled environments, it
is impossible to perform every combination of possibilities. For example, is
an email client running when working in Word? Was a web browser running? If
so, what page was being displayed? The combinations are staggering. When you
experience WE not behaving as expected, writing that it's broke and AI
Squared should fix it is insufficient and counter productive.
For example, on my work PC, WE will occasionally stop talking. If I simply
wrote that in an email to AI Squared, there is not enough information for
them to even attempt to replicate the problem at their site. But if I
instead wrote:

WE occasionally stops talking. If I ALT-Tab away from the current program
and then back, WE will resume talking. Wile this is better, it is still
probably not enough. Now , if I add the fact that this only happens when
Lotus Notes is running and that every time Lotus Notes replicates it
database, WE stops talking, AI squared has something more tangible to work
with. Adding my PC configuration and what programs were running in the
background can also help.

Win 7 Pro 64-bit, 12 G RAM, Office 2010, Lotus Notes 6.5.

Usually, problems are due to a unique combination of events that has
occurred. If this were not the case, AI Squared would have most likely
experienced the issue during their testing.When you experience WE not
behaving as you expect, try to replicate it in a minimal environment. Reboot
your PC and try to get it to happen without other programs running in the
background. Slowily add more applications until you can get the problem to
reoccur. Write down the steps in detail. Now, attempt to replicate repeating
your steps. Yes, I know this is a lot of work. This is what software testers
do every day. It is not enough  to tell someone that it ain't working as
expected. You need to thell them how to repeat your actions so that they can
see the same results. Only then can you expect a software company to expend
resources to fix your repeatable problem.

Rick



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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+softwarethatworks=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Singing Sparrow via Talk
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 1:13 AM
To: Robert Ringwald ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Why does Window-Eyes just stop talking?

really aisquared should really fix these problems, there is no real 
reason that the problems could not be fixed, it sounds like they just 
don't want to do this.


On 9/13/2015 10:42 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:
> Veronica Smith asks:
>
> Unfortunately, WE just goes out to lunch while I am in a word doc as 
> well.
> It truly frustrates me.
>
>
> Dear Veronica,
>
> It frustrates a whole lot of us Window-Eyes users. And it has 
> frustrated us for a very long time.
>
> Some how GW Micro can't seem to correct the problem. At least now we 
> can easily get the voice back by typing ctrl alt W.
>
> -Bob Ringwald
>
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Excel 2013, Completing cell editing with arrow keys behaves differently than using Eneter or Tab key

[Rick Blair via Talk]

Hello Manny and Chris:

This thread seems to have lost my initial observation. I understand, Manny,
that you have some difficulty with headers. However, my problem is more
fundamental.

Currently, I still have the default verbosity configuration. In Excel 2013,
create a new spreadsheet.

In cells A1 to A3 put the values x, y and z respectively. In cells B1 to B3
put the values 1, 2 andd 3 respectively. Now go back to cell A1. Change the
value to something else, like ABC. Instead of using the Tab or Enter key to
finish the editing, use the right arrow key, which should complete the
editing and move you to Cell B1. Only a beep sound is heard, instead of the
cell reference and its value. Same if I press the down arrow key, trying to
move to cell A2. If I just arrow around without editing a cell, everything
works just fine. Each cell's reference is spoken along with its value.

Rick

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+softwarethatworks=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Grabowski via Talk
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 4:04 PM
To: Kevin Huber ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: RE: InRe: Excel 2010 we9.2 does not read column headers it just
gives a1 b1 c1 etc

Also, one thing to note
Make sure verbosity/office/excel/cell information/speak position is set to
if no header defined.
There is always and never as options.

Chris

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From: Talk
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Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 10:46 AM
To: manny ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: InRe: Excel 2010 we9.2 does not read column headers it just
gives a1 b1 c1 etc

Hi Many:
Instead of starting on cell a1, you should start on the first column of the
row where your column headings are located.  For instance, if your headings
are on row 3, you go to cell 3,and set up the speaking of headings by
pressing shift-alt-h, then follow the dialog as you have done.
Kevin Huber
On 8/30/15, manny via Talk  wrote:
> Hi Rick,
> yes
> I start by being on cell a1 which  has the heading symbol.
> one of the settings gives a1 to j41
> which I tried, but did not work
> I changed  the setting
> a1 to j1 and set column headings only and still headings are not given 
> just the cell a1 etcc I guess I will call gwmicro tomorrow for help.
> Thanks for your help,
> Manny
>
>
> -- Good Luck, Manny please help me reach a million clicks by 
> forwarding my stand-up comedy performance to your friends, or Tweet or
Facebook it.
> ** ** ** ** ** **http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75fbevlz10g ** ** ** 
> **
> ** computer specifications: Window Eyes 9.2 , Dell xps420 Windows 7 
> home premium, with dual boot to windows 10 with 8 gb RAM, Intel q6600 
> quad core drivers and software updated. Software recommended: Firefox, 
> Thunderbird, security: Microsoft security essential, Malware Bytes 
> pro, Win Patrol, Roboform, Ninite updater, and Driver buster (which 
> you need sighted help because it is all graphic, but works great for 
> updating
> drivers.)
> On 8/30/2015 1:45 PM, Sim Kah Yong via Talk wrote:
>> Hi Manny
>>
>> Have you try to adjust the parameter for the following and see if it
>> works:
>> 1.  region to use
>> 2.  region type
>>
>> Another thing to consider is where your cursor is when you issue the 
>> hotkey alt-shift-H.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>> On 8/31/2015 7:29 AM, manny via Talk wrote:
>>> Hey Rick,
>>> You are correct
>>> hotkey key alt shift h
>>> which is what I used (I miss typed)
>>> However, the column headers are not being announced, after setting 
>>> it to announce headers.
>>> It just announces the cell address.Pressing arrow right will give b1 
>>> etc.
>>> any suggestions.
>>> Many thanks,
>>> Manny
>>>
>>> -- Good Luck, Manny please help me reach a million clicks by 
>>> forwarding my stand-up comedy performance to your friends, or Tweet 
>>> or Facebook it. ** ** ** ** ** 
>>> **http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75fbevlz10g ** ** ** ** ** computer
>>> specifications: Window Eyes 9.2 , Dell xps420 Windows 7 home 
>>> premium, with dual boot to windows 10 with 8 gb RAM, Intel q6600 
>>> quad core drivers and software updated. Software recommended: 
>>> Firefox, Thunderbird, security: Microsoft security essential, 
>>> Malware Bytes pro, Win Patrol, Roboform, Ninite updater, and Driver 
>>> buster (which you need sighted help because it is all graphic, but 
>>> works great for updating drivers.) On 8/30/2015 1:12 PM, Rick Jarvis 
>>> via Talk wrote:
 I have not used win-eyes in excel for a while, but I think to set 
 up row and coulomb headers the key combo is shift-alt-and the 
 letter H.  hth Rick

 On 8/30/2015 3:45 PM, manny via Talk 

RE: Seeking Your Input

[Rick Blair via Talk]

Hello Jeremy:

What a wonderfully open-ended question you have asked. As a person new to
WE, recently migrating from Zoom Text, I cannot comment on how past features
are different in the current version. I can only dream of what would make my
life easier with assistive technology such as Window Eyes.

1. As an engineer who focuses on architectural designs of complex systems, I
would like some way for graphical constructs (e.g. flowcharts, state
transition diagrams, UML diagrams, etc. to be described.  Since all of these
types of graphics are not bitmap type graphics but logical representations
of logical connections between entities, some method of description should
be possible. The difficulty is that it may depend upon the package used to
create the visualization (Visio, Word Art, Enterprise Architect, etc.)
2. I think there is an opportunity to improve Power Point capabilities.
Perhaps it is my lack of experience with WE when reading Power Point
diagrams, but I find that tabbing between objects on a slide to be confusing
and not very intuitive. If I tab to a text box, for instance, I am told that
I am on a text box and its location, but its content is not disclosed. I
must hit enter to read the text contained within.
3. Improved access with collaborative tools, like WebEx. I am not sure if
this can be solved by the WE team alone. It probably requires accessibility
vendors to drive change in these collaborate tools to support accessibility.
Today, others in my workplace are used to helping me read screens presented
in these collaborative tools. I envision a future where this support is no
longer necessary and that I can read these shared screens as well as they
appear in their native tools.

From a business side, now that AI Squared and GW Micro are now one, I would
like to see an upgrade pricing strategy to support those migrating from Zoom
Text to Window eyes. I am currently using the WE for Office, but would like
to purchase a licensed copy with the extra voices and technical support, but
the $900 price tag is a significant barrier.

Thanks for asking and listening.

Rick blair


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Behalf Of Jeremy Curry via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 3:33 PM
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Subject: Seeking Your Input

Hello Everyone,

We are constantly working behind the scenes to improve our products.  If you
could narrow down the top three requests you would have us add to our screen
reading product, what would they be?

Thanks for the input!

Jeremy

Jeremy Curry
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Ai Squared, Inc.
Phone: (802) 362-3612
Email: jcu...@aisquared.commailto:jcu...@aisquared.com
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RE: Transferring We Settings to another PC

[Rick Blair via Talk]

This sounds like a great opportunity for a WE enhancement. Perhaps an Export
Settings and Import Settings could be added by AI Squared in a future
release. A dialog could be presented where one could check which settings
could be chosen to export or import.

Rick

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Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 7:13 AM
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Subject: Re: Transferring We Settings to another PC

I think that practically everything you would need is in the directory you 
open when you do Files, Explore Profile. I would probably copy that entire 
folder, and then on the new computer update as necessary. But I didn't read 
all of the messages leading up to this one.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- 
From: Mike Pietruk via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 12:19 PM
To: Rod Hutton
Cc: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Transferring We Settings to another PC

Rod

That's why I ask the question.  There have to be key files in doing this
as that's where the settings reside.
I have certain defined hotkeys,
pagemarkers, settings which might take me hours not only to reconstruct
but also to figure where some of those settings and hotkeys are defined.
In the old WE days, when everything was in a single directory, this was
easy to do.
So that's why I raise the question.

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RE: Accelerators in Outlook 2010

[Rick Blair via Talk]

Hello Rod:

I also get a ding when using only ALT - T. However, if I do ALT - F and
arrow down to options, WE tells me the shortcut is ALT - F, T.

Rick

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[mailto:talk-bounces+softwarethatworks=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 10:45 PM
To: 'Richard G Applegate'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Accelerators in Outlook 2010

Hi Richard,

I'm posting my reply to you back to the talk list to see if anyone else can
help as well.
If I am at my Inbox, that is, in the main window of Outlook, and press Alt-F
and then press T, that opens Options.
However, from my Inbox, if I press Alt-T or Alt-P, I get a ding.
I had referred to the T which selects Options from the File menu as the
accelerator, but I guess you're right, it's really called a shortcut.
Anyway, I figure as I move down the File menu and select Options, I should
hear Options, T, which should alert me to the existence of the shortcut
keystroke.
However, I am not hearing this, and I'm wondering why.

Thanks,

Rod

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From: Richard G Applegate [mailto:richard.appleg...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 7:49 PM
To: 'Rod Hutton'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Accelerators in Outlook 2010

Hi Rod:
  I think you are referring to the shortcut key.  An accelerator key doesn't
open a ribbon; it performs an action without opening the ribbon.
  BTW, ALT-p is the key-combination for Options in Outlook 2010.  ALT-t
should get you a ding.
  HTH.

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Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 1:31 PM
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Subject: Accelerators in Outlook 2010

Hi everyone,

 

Something which has been troubling me for some time is that many people seem
to know certain accelerators for menu items in Outlook 2010, but these don't
speak for me even though I have the global setting to speak them turned on
and I have the proper sets installed.

An example is that T is the accelerator for Options on the File menu and yet
I don't hear the T when I highlight Options.

Does anyone have any ideas?

 

Thanks,

 

Rod 

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RE: Disgussion of problems with keyboards.

[Rick Blair via Talk]

I do not believe that the support person advocated that an external keyboard 
was a permanent solution, but only for assistance in trouble shooting your 
problem. There are many of us that have HP laptops that do not exhibit the 
problem that you are having. It would be nearly impossible for AI Squared to 
replicate your unique situation in their labs. Hence, I believe that they are 
asking for your assistance to help diagnose and fix your particular issue.

Rick Blair

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Behalf Of via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 6:41 PM
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Subject: Disgussion of problems with keyboards.

Good evening all,  

As all of you know after reading a few messages about the problem that I’m 
having with my laptop computer ,  I’m still not able to use my keyboards laptop 
delete key, nor am I able to use my F8 key too begin the selection process.  
Perhaps I’m wrong too suggest this, but I think that there might be a conflict 
problem between the window eyes program, and keyboards on HP laptops.  I did 
have a discussion with a tek support person about this issue.  I first tried 
disabling the insert key layout, and then setting the keyboard too laptop key 
layout, and had no success with any of these suggestions.  It was suggested, 
that I try hooking up  an external keyboard to the laptop, and seeing if the 
two problems disappear.  The thing here is, why should we be asked too do that 
when it means having to have to carry an extra peace of hardware just to be 
able too use a delete key, when there is a delete key that is already on a 
persons laptop computer..  This is something I believe, that needs to be looked 
into so that future problems like this don’t have too happen for those of us 
that use and want too use laptops. This is not meant too be interpreted as a 
chritizism towards the developers and programmers of windoweyes, but I think 
that this issue needs too be addressed. 
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RE: speaking of Dell computers...

[Rick Blair via Talk]

Hello Rick:

I understand your frustration. It is amazing the number of posts dedicated
to this subject. Yet, I did not see this topic mentioned during any of the
Version 9 beta testing, despite the fact that Dell eliminated this key as
far back as 2012. As a developer, I understand the difficulty of keeping up
with hardware changes. Some computer vendors change their hardware platform
more frequently than some people change their underware!

A company this size of AI Squared (and GW Micro cannot possibly keep up with
the plethora of computer vendors and their offers. In addition, vendors like
Dell offer several keyboard choices when purchasing their computers. It is
quite possible that AI Squared was not aware of this problem until this
flurry of postings. We should give them the benefit of the doubt and hope
that they can provide some update that deals with the situation.

In the mean time, there are several workarounds to consider. Gor those
upgradiong from an older computer, using the keyboard from the previous
computer should suffice. If a static setting is desired, BIOS or registry
setting should be sufficient. And if toggling is needed, the on screen
keyboard provided in the accessability options will work, albeit kludgy.

At least you have a hockey game to listen to. Here in the Northeast, the
Bruins taked at the end of the season and eliminated themselves from the
playoffs.

Rick Blair


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[mailto:talk-bounces+softwarethatworks=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 6:00 PM
To: 'Stephen Clark'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: speaking of Dell computers...

Hi Steve:
It is incumbent on a piece of software to work with a given platform
including operating systems and, in the case of a screen reader, the
keyboard which is the primary interface for their clients and the only thing
they have to use the features of the software.
A simple list of manufacturers and hardware that works well with WindowEyes
might be the easiest and least costly solution.
Also, a list of settings for various other gotchyas like audio cards should
also be available for the more common choices a WindowEyes client may make.
This needs to be available on a WebPage and not burried in some technical,
or many technical, articles requiring a long search effort by a new user and
available before a user buys a new machine with the intent of using
WindowEyes on it.
Just a part of having a professional piece of software and considering the
target audience.
Another choice would be to act as a ReSeller of compatible hardware and
software products but I can see AI Squared selling at a much higher markup
than other standard retailers and thus things costing us more.
I give up. I don't run that company, am not in their management team nor do
I sit on the Board so any further comments might be beetching the whale and
I will just drop this thread and go listen to Red Wing Hockey and Ken and
Paul call the game - smile.
Later and have a good weekend!
Rick USA

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RE: Num Lock

[Rick Blair via Talk]

Apparently, Dell has been shipping keyboards for quite a while without the
Num Lock key. The folling is a link to a posting about this issues dating
back to 2012 and lasting for two years. However, there was never a
satisfactory answer for toggling the function.

http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/desktop/f/3514/t/19476756?pi2195
3=1

Some suggestions given were to hold the Clear key down for two seconds and
Num Lock would silently toggle. Further postings claimed this did not work
for them. Another offered the key combination of Ctrl-Backspace, which
others again found not to work.

Registry and BIOS changes are also offered in the list, but these do not
help for toggling the functionality, only for fixing it in one ore the other
state.

One suggestion was to open the onscreen keyboard and toggle the function
using this. While this may be kludgy, it offers an alternative that could
work in the short term.

I did not realize the omission  of this key. When I set up my wife's new
Dell last December, I never used the included keyboard but just hooked it up
to my existing keyboard and mouse. I did not like the feel of the new
keyboard (too mushy). Maybe I'll call Dell and see what they have to say
since the computer is still under warranty. Since the computer was purchased
under their small business division, maybe the support results may be
different than their home support.

Rick Blair


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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+softwarethatworks=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 5:29 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Num Lock

Hi: OK, so we can either set the applications key function using auto hot
key or use shift and f10 and that is ok.
Now, why not have a WE setting in the control panel to lock the num lock
setting and perhaps a hot key combo to toggle it?
Using the f10 key would then become the default WE Applications key and the
num lock could be toggled easily or set in the WE Control Panel.
Just a thought on what seems an easy fix to a potential major headache for
WE Users who get confused with the newer keyboards not having these keys.
WE should work with modern technologies out of the box and this would
eliminate these 2 problems me thinks.
Searching for non-standard modern or outdated keyboards is not a good thing
to force your clients into having to do to use your product when it is not
necessary at all with minimal programming effort.
Neither is having clients required to load up and use someone elses software
like auto hot key - they should be able to buy the product, turn it on and
use it - not turn it on and hope they can figure out some way to fix it
before even using it.
At least from the prior postings this would seem to be the case.
Does this make sense or am I missing something?
Rick USA

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Some PDF files seem to only allow reading of one page at a time

[Rick Blair via Talk]

Occasionally, I will receive a PDF file that, when using either the up and
down arrow keys or the page up and page down keys will tell me it has reach
the bottom after each page rather than the end of the document. I need to
get out of browse mode or use the mouse to navigate to the next page, re
enable browse mode and use page up to get to the top of the next page to
begin reading the subsequent page. This is quite tedious. Any suggestions
would be greatly appreciated.

 

I am using the latest version of Adobe Reader, Windows 7 Pro.

 

I would like to attach examples, but they are proprietary files.

 

Thanks, Rick

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Window Eyes Tip not very helpful

[Rick Blair via Talk]

Today, I got the following tip on the Window Eyes Tip of the day:

 

Window-Eyes allows the mouse pointer to be locked on either a vertical or
horizontal axis, providing an efficient way for low vision users to track
the mouse pointer across a straight line.

 

While this alerts the user to a great feature of WE, it offers no help on
how to accomplish the mouse locking capability.

 

I am not asking how to do this, but only to offer possible improvement to
this tip in the future.

 

Regards, Rick Blair

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RE: PPSX files, should these work with Window-Eyes

[Rick Blair via Talk]

Hello:

I know that in older versions of Power Point (2003 and earlier) you could
simply rename a .pps file to .ppt and then it would open just like a normal
Power point file. Perhaps you can renam a .ppsx to .pptx with the same
results.

I do not have any .ppsx files to try. Let me know if this works.

Rick Blair

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Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 3:38 PM
To: Jeff Bishop; Window-Eyes Discussion List; t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: RE: PPSX files, should these work with Window-Eyes

I've definitely had this issue running WE 8.4.  I'll be curious if anyone
has a workaround.  


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To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: PPSX files, should these work with Window-Eyes

Hello Everyone,



I will first admit that I am not a very strong Powerpoint user. I am finding
that some ppsx files are not working to well with WE 9.1. I wonder if this
is a limitation of them opening in slideshow mode or something? Has anyone
else had success with PPSX files?



PPSX files show none of the actual user interface of PowerPoint, just the
slides themselves.



Jeff



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FW: WE 9.0 bug opening multiple Word files simultaneously

[Rick Blair via Talk]

Opps! Forgot to mention that I am running WE 9.0 and this behavior is the
same for Word 2010 and Word 2013.

I am running Windows 7 Professional on both computers that exhibit this
problem.

Rick Blair

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Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 3:53 PM
To: Subject: WE 9.0 bug opening multiple Word files
simultaneously

Using Windows Explorer, I selected multiple Word (.docx) files. I then hit
the Enter key. The multiple files (3 in my case) all opened in Word just
great. However, only one file would read the correct text when using the
down arrow and up arrow keys to navigate the document. The remaining
documents would read the last line read in the working document each time
the up or down arrow was pressed. They did, however, read the style changes
for the active document. If I open each document separately, everything
works as expected.

Rick Blair

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Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 3:41 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: GW TOOLKIT 8.5.9 OK TO UPDATE?

Yes, 8.5.9 is clean.

Regards,
Tom


On 2/21/2015 2:55 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk 
wrote:
 Hello Everyone:

 Each time I launch Window-Eyes9, I get info about an update for GW Toolkit
 8.5.9.  Is it OK to update to this version of the App?  I've not done so
 thus far because of the hacking that was reported sometime back which
 resulted in the compromise of the gw Toolkit App.  The current one running
 is GW Toolkit 8.5.6.  Hoping to read your thoughts soonest.

 Sincerely,
 Olusegun
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MS Word, Information Selection unusable on large documents

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Being somewhat new to WE, today I listened to the WE 9.0 tutorials and
learned about the Information Selection (Insert + Tab) dialog. Being eager
to try this out on a document that I am currently reviewing, I hit the keys
and WE stopped talking for about 30 seconds. Only once in many attemps did
it let me know it was building the information. Even Alt Tabbing to other
programs did not revive WE speech.

 

The document that I am working on contains 414 pages, 673 revisions, 83
objects, 314 tables, 2 bookmarks and, being technical in nature, many
perceived misspellings.

 

Once the dialog finally opens, navigating through the radio buttons to
select  what information to choose will also sometimes take many seconds
with WE not talking. 

 

While the response of this dialog is quite reasonable for small documents, I
think an architectural change is needed for it to be usable for large
documents. It might be better to build this information in the background so
that when the key combination is selected, the data is already present and
the response can be  very quick.

 

At the present time, I feel that this dialog is not usable for large
documents with a lot of items that are selectable with this dialog box.

 

Word 2013

Windows 7 Professional

16 GB RAM

 

Rick Blair

 

Rick Blair

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