Key Sticking in WinEyes

2020-01-05 Thread David via Talk
Have suspected this for a little while, and now I am pretty sure. Do not 
know the fix, neither the reason why things happen.

It is a known fact, that sometimes a key could get mechanically stuck in 
its pressed position. The Shift, Alt and Ctrl keys are specially 
vulnerable to this kind of behavior. This of course, do cause a load of 
strange things to happen. You type an F, and up comes the File-menu of 
the software; since the computer registers the keystroke as an Alt-F. It 
is all due to dirt and grease, getting into your keyboard over time. 
Even small objects - like tiny screws or the like, that might have 
fallen down on your keyboard at any time, might have got underneath your 
key-caps and eventually causes funny things like this.

The remedy for all of this behavior, is to press your Alt,Ctrl and Shift 
keys several times. Usually that will release whatever has got stuck.

But once in a while, I have had things getting stuck, and no 
solution.The big remedy then, has been to restart the computer. 
Apparently, this has been due to some issue more of the software-based 
kind. It just has been to determine what software could cause the 
situation. Like I stated initially, I do not have the final answer. Yet, 
for several weeks, I suspected WinEyes to play a role. When the sticky 
thing comes around, I will typically experience the Ctrl key being 
stuck. Everything I try to do, is performed as if I had kept my Ctrl-key 
pressed. Funny thing is, if I open NVDA, the issue is gone. This 
morning, when the issue again took place, I decided to do a bit of testing.

First I thought it could be due to an app in my screen reader's 
collection. So when the issue started, I tried to get to the WinEyes 
ControlPanel. Physically pressing Ctrl-Backslash, had absolutely no 
effect, which quite often happens. Alt-Tabbing to the panel, is out of 
question, since I have WinEyes set to automatically hide from the 
Alt-Tab list. So the only way now, was to go to the Taskbar, and press 
Enter on WinEyes. Sure enough, the panel came up, and I went to the 
App-menu, and turned off all apps. Then back to my internet working, 
attempting to perform some browse mode commands. Pressing C, to get to 
the next Combo box, had no effect. Pressing T, for next Table, only 
opened a new tab in my browser. And pressing other navigation letters, 
caused whatever funny and somehow interesting things to take place. was 
almost like a new computer game. hahaha.

Allright, as I told you, things like this happens every now and then. 
And normally, opening NVDA will fix the issue. Though now, I decided not 
to walk the normal lane. On the contrary, I alt-Tabbed back to the 
WinEyes panel, and hit Alt-F4. The screen reader closed itself down, all 
well. I then restarted WinEyes, using a hotkey combination of my choice, 
which does not include any of the standard modifier-keys. This way, i am 
sure no Ctrl, Alt or Shift key was pressed, during the close down or 
restarting process of the screen reader.

Do I have to tell you what was the result? Sure thing. WinEyes opened, 
and the sticky Ctrl key has gone for vacation. No touching of the Ctrl 
neither on the left or right side of the keyboard. Neither on my 
laptop's built-in keyboard, or on the attached USB one, did I touch any 
Ctrl-key. All I did, was to restart WinEyes.

Since turning off all apps did not solve the problem, and due to the 
fact that restarting the screen reader did take care of the trouble - I 
am left to draw the conclusion that something strange sits in the core 
code of WinEyes. Could it be some coding that - under given situations - 
will poke its nose out, and conflict with some activity of other 
software? Might it happen, that some residues from other software might 
have caused this to come up? Or, could it be in one of the apps, and who 
knows why WinEyes is unable to wipe it out, even when all apps are being 
turned off? Since restarting the screen reader is all it takes, it seems 
something just needs to be nullified. Something that the screen reader 
does, through its initialization. Or, something that it manages to close 
down, whenever the screen reader is being unloaded altogether.

Restarting the screen reader is not all that much of a go, if that is 
all it takes to solve a frustration. Still, i did wonder, if any of you 
have had the same experience, or something similar. OK, still under Win7 
for a moment, so not sure if this is something that might have been 
cared for in later flavors. The issue has been going on for years, but 
seems to me, to take place more frequent lately.

Just for the record, I do not exactly blame this on WinEyes. I just 
wonder if something in the screen reader, along with whatever other 
activity is ongoing on my computer, could get in conflict and cause this 
issue. One of the big challenges for software developers, that one. Your 
coding is perfectly well done, but other pieces of software do not tie 
in smoothly, and y

Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes

2020-01-05 Thread Butch Bussen via Talk
I have had theis problem once in a while for years.  Something strange 
in wineyes.  Sometimes reloading a different set file will solve the 
problem.  Often as you said, just restarting wineyes solves the problem.

 I've never found a way to make it happen, some times it just does.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On 
Mon, 6 Jan 2020, David via Talk wrote:



Have suspected this for a little while, and now I am pretty sure. Do not
know the fix, neither the reason why things happen.

It is a known fact, that sometimes a key could get mechanically stuck in
its pressed position. The Shift, Alt and Ctrl keys are specially
vulnerable to this kind of behavior. This of course, do cause a load of
strange things to happen. You type an F, and up comes the File-menu of
the software; since the computer registers the keystroke as an Alt-F. It
is all due to dirt and grease, getting into your keyboard over time.
Even small objects - like tiny screws or the like, that might have
fallen down on your keyboard at any time, might have got underneath your
key-caps and eventually causes funny things like this.

The remedy for all of this behavior, is to press your Alt,Ctrl and Shift
keys several times. Usually that will release whatever has got stuck.

But once in a while, I have had things getting stuck, and no
solution.The big remedy then, has been to restart the computer.
Apparently, this has been due to some issue more of the software-based
kind. It just has been to determine what software could cause the
situation. Like I stated initially, I do not have the final answer. Yet,
for several weeks, I suspected WinEyes to play a role. When the sticky
thing comes around, I will typically experience the Ctrl key being
stuck. Everything I try to do, is performed as if I had kept my Ctrl-key
pressed. Funny thing is, if I open NVDA, the issue is gone. This
morning, when the issue again took place, I decided to do a bit of testing.

First I thought it could be due to an app in my screen reader's
collection. So when the issue started, I tried to get to the WinEyes
ControlPanel. Physically pressing Ctrl-Backslash, had absolutely no
effect, which quite often happens. Alt-Tabbing to the panel, is out of
question, since I have WinEyes set to automatically hide from the
Alt-Tab list. So the only way now, was to go to the Taskbar, and press
Enter on WinEyes. Sure enough, the panel came up, and I went to the
App-menu, and turned off all apps. Then back to my internet working,
attempting to perform some browse mode commands. Pressing C, to get to
the next Combo box, had no effect. Pressing T, for next Table, only
opened a new tab in my browser. And pressing other navigation letters,
caused whatever funny and somehow interesting things to take place. was
almost like a new computer game. hahaha.

Allright, as I told you, things like this happens every now and then.
And normally, opening NVDA will fix the issue. Though now, I decided not
to walk the normal lane. On the contrary, I alt-Tabbed back to the
WinEyes panel, and hit Alt-F4. The screen reader closed itself down, all
well. I then restarted WinEyes, using a hotkey combination of my choice,
which does not include any of the standard modifier-keys. This way, i am
sure no Ctrl, Alt or Shift key was pressed, during the close down or
restarting process of the screen reader.

Do I have to tell you what was the result? Sure thing. WinEyes opened,
and the sticky Ctrl key has gone for vacation. No touching of the Ctrl
neither on the left or right side of the keyboard. Neither on my
laptop's built-in keyboard, or on the attached USB one, did I touch any
Ctrl-key. All I did, was to restart WinEyes.

Since turning off all apps did not solve the problem, and due to the
fact that restarting the screen reader did take care of the trouble - I
am left to draw the conclusion that something strange sits in the core
code of WinEyes. Could it be some coding that - under given situations -
will poke its nose out, and conflict with some activity of other
software? Might it happen, that some residues from other software might
have caused this to come up? Or, could it be in one of the apps, and who
knows why WinEyes is unable to wipe it out, even when all apps are being
turned off? Since restarting the screen reader is all it takes, it seems
something just needs to be nullified. Something that the screen reader
does, through its initialization. Or, something that it manages to close
down, whenever the screen reader is being unloaded altogether.

Restarting the screen reader is not all that much of a go, if that is
all it takes to solve a frustration. Still, i did wonder, if any of you
have had the same experience, or something similar. OK, still under Win7
for a moment, so not sure if this is something that might have been
cared for in later flavors. The issue has been going on for years, but
seems to me, to take place more frequent lately.

Just for the record, I do not exactly blame this on WinEyes. I 

RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes

2020-01-06 Thread madl--- via Talk
Hello all,
I  am having the same issue with window key,ALT key , control key.  I
thought it is my keyboard.  I  got a  new one.  That didn't solve the issue.
It something with MS window.  If you press shift key five times in the row,
you will hear something like sticky key but, I  am not sure what I  need to
do to stop it. This function was added for people that don't have ability to
type with both hands. Please let me know if anyone find a  solution.
Thanks

Moe  

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf
Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 11:57 PM
To: David via Talk 
Cc: Butch Bussen ; WE English Mailinglist

Subject: Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes

I have had theis problem once in a while for years.  Something strange in
wineyes.  Sometimes reloading a different set file will solve the problem.
Often as you said, just restarting wineyes solves the problem.
  I've never found a way to make it happen, some times it just does.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On
Mon, 6 Jan 2020, David via Talk wrote:

> Have suspected this for a little while, and now I am pretty sure. Do 
> not know the fix, neither the reason why things happen.
>
> It is a known fact, that sometimes a key could get mechanically stuck 
> in its pressed position. The Shift, Alt and Ctrl keys are specially 
> vulnerable to this kind of behavior. This of course, do cause a load 
> of strange things to happen. You type an F, and up comes the File-menu 
> of the software; since the computer registers the keystroke as an 
> Alt-F. It is all due to dirt and grease, getting into your keyboard over
time.
> Even small objects - like tiny screws or the like, that might have 
> fallen down on your keyboard at any time, might have got underneath 
> your key-caps and eventually causes funny things like this.
>
> The remedy for all of this behavior, is to press your Alt,Ctrl and 
> Shift keys several times. Usually that will release whatever has got
stuck.
>
> But once in a while, I have had things getting stuck, and no 
> solution.The big remedy then, has been to restart the computer.
> Apparently, this has been due to some issue more of the software-based 
> kind. It just has been to determine what software could cause the 
> situation. Like I stated initially, I do not have the final answer. 
> Yet, for several weeks, I suspected WinEyes to play a role. When the 
> sticky thing comes around, I will typically experience the Ctrl key 
> being stuck. Everything I try to do, is performed as if I had kept my 
> Ctrl-key pressed. Funny thing is, if I open NVDA, the issue is gone. 
> This morning, when the issue again took place, I decided to do a bit of
testing.
>
> First I thought it could be due to an app in my screen reader's 
> collection. So when the issue started, I tried to get to the WinEyes 
> ControlPanel. Physically pressing Ctrl-Backslash, had absolutely no 
> effect, which quite often happens. Alt-Tabbing to the panel, is out of 
> question, since I have WinEyes set to automatically hide from the 
> Alt-Tab list. So the only way now, was to go to the Taskbar, and press 
> Enter on WinEyes. Sure enough, the panel came up, and I went to the 
> App-menu, and turned off all apps. Then back to my internet working, 
> attempting to perform some browse mode commands. Pressing C, to get to 
> the next Combo box, had no effect. Pressing T, for next Table, only 
> opened a new tab in my browser. And pressing other navigation letters, 
> caused whatever funny and somehow interesting things to take place. 
> was almost like a new computer game. hahaha.
>
> Allright, as I told you, things like this happens every now and then.
> And normally, opening NVDA will fix the issue. Though now, I decided 
> not to walk the normal lane. On the contrary, I alt-Tabbed back to the 
> WinEyes panel, and hit Alt-F4. The screen reader closed itself down, 
> all well. I then restarted WinEyes, using a hotkey combination of my 
> choice, which does not include any of the standard modifier-keys. This 
> way, i am sure no Ctrl, Alt or Shift key was pressed, during the close 
> down or restarting process of the screen reader.
>
> Do I have to tell you what was the result? Sure thing. WinEyes opened, 
> and the sticky Ctrl key has gone for vacation. No touching of the Ctrl 
> neither on the left or right side of the keyboard. Neither on my 
> laptop's built-in keyboard, or on the attached USB one, did I touch 
> any Ctrl-key. All I did, was to restart WinEyes.
>
> Since turning off all apps did not solve the problem, and due to the 
> fact that restarting the screen reader did take care of the trouble - 
> I am left to draw the conclusion that something strange sits in the 
> core code of WinEyes. Could it be some coding that - under g

Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes

2020-01-06 Thread Pamela Dominguez via Talk
That is different.  "sticky keys", when it says that in windows, when you 
press a key more than once fast, is made so that people can type with one 
hand.  So that if they need to hit, say, control something, they can hit the 
control, and it will stay registered until you hit the key that goes along 
with it in order to do a certain function.  That doesn't have to do with 
keys getting stuck.  Mine, though, is an actual key that gets stuck, when I 
least expect it.  It's the righthand shift key that gets stuck.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: madl--- via Talk

Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 9:44 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: m...@comcast.net
Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes

Hello all,
I  am having the same issue with window key,ALT key , control key.  I
thought it is my keyboard.  I  got a  new one.  That didn't solve the issue.
It something with MS window.  If you press shift key five times in the row,
you will hear something like sticky key but, I  am not sure what I  need to
do to stop it. This function was added for people that don't have ability to
type with both hands. Please let me know if anyone find a  solution.
Thanks

Moe

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf
Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 11:57 PM
To: David via Talk 
Cc: Butch Bussen ; WE English Mailinglist

Subject: Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes

I have had theis problem once in a while for years.  Something strange in
wineyes.  Sometimes reloading a different set file will solve the problem.
Often as you said, just restarting wineyes solves the problem.
 I've never found a way to make it happen, some times it just does.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On
Mon, 6 Jan 2020, David via Talk wrote:


Have suspected this for a little while, and now I am pretty sure. Do
not know the fix, neither the reason why things happen.

It is a known fact, that sometimes a key could get mechanically stuck
in its pressed position. The Shift, Alt and Ctrl keys are specially
vulnerable to this kind of behavior. This of course, do cause a load
of strange things to happen. You type an F, and up comes the File-menu
of the software; since the computer registers the keystroke as an
Alt-F. It is all due to dirt and grease, getting into your keyboard over

time.

Even small objects - like tiny screws or the like, that might have
fallen down on your keyboard at any time, might have got underneath
your key-caps and eventually causes funny things like this.

The remedy for all of this behavior, is to press your Alt,Ctrl and
Shift keys several times. Usually that will release whatever has got

stuck.


But once in a while, I have had things getting stuck, and no
solution.The big remedy then, has been to restart the computer.
Apparently, this has been due to some issue more of the software-based
kind. It just has been to determine what software could cause the
situation. Like I stated initially, I do not have the final answer.
Yet, for several weeks, I suspected WinEyes to play a role. When the
sticky thing comes around, I will typically experience the Ctrl key
being stuck. Everything I try to do, is performed as if I had kept my
Ctrl-key pressed. Funny thing is, if I open NVDA, the issue is gone.
This morning, when the issue again took place, I decided to do a bit of

testing.


First I thought it could be due to an app in my screen reader's
collection. So when the issue started, I tried to get to the WinEyes
ControlPanel. Physically pressing Ctrl-Backslash, had absolutely no
effect, which quite often happens. Alt-Tabbing to the panel, is out of
question, since I have WinEyes set to automatically hide from the
Alt-Tab list. So the only way now, was to go to the Taskbar, and press
Enter on WinEyes. Sure enough, the panel came up, and I went to the
App-menu, and turned off all apps. Then back to my internet working,
attempting to perform some browse mode commands. Pressing C, to get to
the next Combo box, had no effect. Pressing T, for next Table, only
opened a new tab in my browser. And pressing other navigation letters,
caused whatever funny and somehow interesting things to take place.
was almost like a new computer game. hahaha.

Allright, as I told you, things like this happens every now and then.
And normally, opening NVDA will fix the issue. Though now, I decided
not to walk the normal lane. On the contrary, I alt-Tabbed back to the
WinEyes panel, and hit Alt-F4. The screen reader closed itself down,
all well. I then restarted WinEyes, using a hotkey combination of my
choice, which does not include any of the standard modifier-keys. This
way, i am sure no Ctrl, Alt or Shift key was pressed, during the close
down or restarting process of the screen reader.

Do I have to tell you what was the result? Sure thing. WinEyes opened,
and the sticky Ctrl key has gone for vacation. No touching of the Ctrl
neither on the left or right side of the keyboard. N

RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes

2020-01-06 Thread madl--- via Talk
Hello,
I  have a  new keyboard which I  purchased two weeks ago and I  thought this
will solve my problem.  In my case I  don't think the keys are sticking
physically.  I  didn't have this problem until recent update from MS. For
now, when I  have this issue, I  go to taskbar then to desktop.  That fixs
the problem for a  while .  

Thanks

Moe  

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf
Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 10:10 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Pamela Dominguez 
Subject: Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes

That is different.  "sticky keys", when it says that in windows, when you
press a key more than once fast, is made so that people can type with one
hand.  So that if they need to hit, say, control something, they can hit the
control, and it will stay registered until you hit the key that goes along
with it in order to do a certain function.  That doesn't have to do with
keys getting stuck.  Mine, though, is an actual key that gets stuck, when I
least expect it.  It's the righthand shift key that gets stuck.  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: madl--- via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 9:44 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: m...@comcast.net
Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes

Hello all,
I  am having the same issue with window key,ALT key , control key.  I
thought it is my keyboard.  I  got a  new one.  That didn't solve the issue.
It something with MS window.  If you press shift key five times in the row,
you will hear something like sticky key but, I  am not sure what I  need to
do to stop it. This function was added for people that don't have ability to
type with both hands. Please let me know if anyone find a  solution.
Thanks

Moe

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf
Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 11:57 PM
To: David via Talk 
Cc: Butch Bussen ; WE English Mailinglist

Subject: Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes

I have had theis problem once in a while for years.  Something strange in
wineyes.  Sometimes reloading a different set file will solve the problem.
Often as you said, just restarting wineyes solves the problem.
  I've never found a way to make it happen, some times it just does.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On
Mon, 6 Jan 2020, David via Talk wrote:

> Have suspected this for a little while, and now I am pretty sure. Do 
> not know the fix, neither the reason why things happen.
>
> It is a known fact, that sometimes a key could get mechanically stuck 
> in its pressed position. The Shift, Alt and Ctrl keys are specially 
> vulnerable to this kind of behavior. This of course, do cause a load 
> of strange things to happen. You type an F, and up comes the File-menu 
> of the software; since the computer registers the keystroke as an 
> Alt-F. It is all due to dirt and grease, getting into your keyboard 
> over
time.
> Even small objects - like tiny screws or the like, that might have 
> fallen down on your keyboard at any time, might have got underneath 
> your key-caps and eventually causes funny things like this.
>
> The remedy for all of this behavior, is to press your Alt,Ctrl and 
> Shift keys several times. Usually that will release whatever has got
stuck.
>
> But once in a while, I have had things getting stuck, and no 
> solution.The big remedy then, has been to restart the computer.
> Apparently, this has been due to some issue more of the software-based 
> kind. It just has been to determine what software could cause the 
> situation. Like I stated initially, I do not have the final answer.
> Yet, for several weeks, I suspected WinEyes to play a role. When the 
> sticky thing comes around, I will typically experience the Ctrl key 
> being stuck. Everything I try to do, is performed as if I had kept my 
> Ctrl-key pressed. Funny thing is, if I open NVDA, the issue is gone.
> This morning, when the issue again took place, I decided to do a bit 
> of
testing.
>
> First I thought it could be due to an app in my screen reader's 
> collection. So when the issue started, I tried to get to the WinEyes 
> ControlPanel. Physically pressing Ctrl-Backslash, had absolutely no 
> effect, which quite often happens. Alt-Tabbing to the panel, is out of 
> question, since I have WinEyes set to automatically hide from the 
> Alt-Tab list. So the only way now, was to go to the Taskbar, and press 
> Enter on WinEyes. Sure enough, the panel came up, and I went to the 
> App-menu, and turned off all apps. Then back to my internet working, 
> attempting to perform some browse mode commands. Pressing C, to get to 
> the next Combo box, had no effect. Pressing T, for next Table, only 
> opened a new tab in my browser. And pressing other navigation letters, 
> caused whatever funny and somehow interesting things to take plac

RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes

2020-01-06 Thread Butch Bussen via Talk
ONly time I get sticky key thing is if I hold down on a key to long. 
Not sure how to turn it off.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Mon, 6 Jan 2020, madl--- via Talk wrote:


Hello all,
I  am having the same issue with window key,ALT key , control key.  I
thought it is my keyboard.  I  got a  new one.  That didn't solve the issue.
It something with MS window.  If you press shift key five times in the row,
you will hear something like sticky key but, I  am not sure what I  need to
do to stop it. This function was added for people that don't have ability to
type with both hands. Please let me know if anyone find a  solution.
Thanks

Moe

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf
Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 11:57 PM
To: David via Talk 
Cc: Butch Bussen ; WE English Mailinglist

Subject: Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes

I have had theis problem once in a while for years.  Something strange in
wineyes.  Sometimes reloading a different set file will solve the problem.
Often as you said, just restarting wineyes solves the problem.
 I've never found a way to make it happen, some times it just does.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On
Mon, 6 Jan 2020, David via Talk wrote:


Have suspected this for a little while, and now I am pretty sure. Do
not know the fix, neither the reason why things happen.

It is a known fact, that sometimes a key could get mechanically stuck
in its pressed position. The Shift, Alt and Ctrl keys are specially
vulnerable to this kind of behavior. This of course, do cause a load
of strange things to happen. You type an F, and up comes the File-menu
of the software; since the computer registers the keystroke as an
Alt-F. It is all due to dirt and grease, getting into your keyboard over

time.

Even small objects - like tiny screws or the like, that might have
fallen down on your keyboard at any time, might have got underneath
your key-caps and eventually causes funny things like this.

The remedy for all of this behavior, is to press your Alt,Ctrl and
Shift keys several times. Usually that will release whatever has got

stuck.


But once in a while, I have had things getting stuck, and no
solution.The big remedy then, has been to restart the computer.
Apparently, this has been due to some issue more of the software-based
kind. It just has been to determine what software could cause the
situation. Like I stated initially, I do not have the final answer.
Yet, for several weeks, I suspected WinEyes to play a role. When the
sticky thing comes around, I will typically experience the Ctrl key
being stuck. Everything I try to do, is performed as if I had kept my
Ctrl-key pressed. Funny thing is, if I open NVDA, the issue is gone.
This morning, when the issue again took place, I decided to do a bit of

testing.


First I thought it could be due to an app in my screen reader's
collection. So when the issue started, I tried to get to the WinEyes
ControlPanel. Physically pressing Ctrl-Backslash, had absolutely no
effect, which quite often happens. Alt-Tabbing to the panel, is out of
question, since I have WinEyes set to automatically hide from the
Alt-Tab list. So the only way now, was to go to the Taskbar, and press
Enter on WinEyes. Sure enough, the panel came up, and I went to the
App-menu, and turned off all apps. Then back to my internet working,
attempting to perform some browse mode commands. Pressing C, to get to
the next Combo box, had no effect. Pressing T, for next Table, only
opened a new tab in my browser. And pressing other navigation letters,
caused whatever funny and somehow interesting things to take place.
was almost like a new computer game. hahaha.

Allright, as I told you, things like this happens every now and then.
And normally, opening NVDA will fix the issue. Though now, I decided
not to walk the normal lane. On the contrary, I alt-Tabbed back to the
WinEyes panel, and hit Alt-F4. The screen reader closed itself down,
all well. I then restarted WinEyes, using a hotkey combination of my
choice, which does not include any of the standard modifier-keys. This
way, i am sure no Ctrl, Alt or Shift key was pressed, during the close
down or restarting process of the screen reader.

Do I have to tell you what was the result? Sure thing. WinEyes opened,
and the sticky Ctrl key has gone for vacation. No touching of the Ctrl
neither on the left or right side of the keyboard. Neither on my
laptop's built-in keyboard, or on the attached USB one, did I touch
any Ctrl-key. All I did, was to restart WinEyes.

Since turning off all apps did not solve the problem, and due to the
fact that restarting the screen reader did take care of the trouble -
I am left to draw the conclusion that something strange sits in the
core code of WinEyes. Could it be some coding that - under given
situations - will poke its nose out, and conflict with some activity
of other software? Might it happen, that some residues from other
software 

Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes

2020-01-06 Thread Tom Kingston via Talk
On Windows 10 when I hit the shift key five times I get a dialog asking 
me if I want to turn on sticky keys. There are yes and no buttons. And 
it says you can turn this off in Ease of access, keyboard settings.
I opened the Cortana search window with the Windows key and started 
typing ease. I had to arrow down a few to the ease of access center 
keyboard settings. In there I was able to turn off the shortcut along 
with a few others. Now I can hit shift a dozen times and it does nothing.

Hth,
Tom


On 1/6/2020 1:38 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
ONly time I get sticky key thing is if I hold down on a key to long. Not 
sure how to turn it off.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Mon, 6 Jan 2020, madl--- via Talk wrote:


Hello all,
I  am having the same issue with window key,ALT key , control key.  I
thought it is my keyboard.  I  got a  new one.  That didn't solve the 
issue.
It something with MS window.  If you press shift key five times in the 
row,
you will hear something like sticky key but, I  am not sure what I  
need to
do to stop it. This function was added for people that don't have 
ability to

type with both hands. Please let me know if anyone find a  solution.
Thanks

Moe

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf

Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 11:57 PM
To: David via Talk 
Cc: Butch Bussen ; WE English Mailinglist

Subject: Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes

I have had theis problem once in a while for years.  Something strange in
wineyes.  Sometimes reloading a different set file will solve the 
problem.

Often as you said, just restarting wineyes solves the problem.
 I've never found a way to make it happen, some times it just does.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On
Mon, 6 Jan 2020, David via Talk wrote:


Have suspected this for a little while, and now I am pretty sure. Do
not know the fix, neither the reason why things happen.

It is a known fact, that sometimes a key could get mechanically stuck
in its pressed position. The Shift, Alt and Ctrl keys are specially
vulnerable to this kind of behavior. This of course, do cause a load
of strange things to happen. You type an F, and up comes the File-menu
of the software; since the computer registers the keystroke as an
Alt-F. It is all due to dirt and grease, getting into your keyboard over

time.

Even small objects - like tiny screws or the like, that might have
fallen down on your keyboard at any time, might have got underneath
your key-caps and eventually causes funny things like this.

The remedy for all of this behavior, is to press your Alt,Ctrl and
Shift keys several times. Usually that will release whatever has got

stuck.


But once in a while, I have had things getting stuck, and no
solution.The big remedy then, has been to restart the computer.
Apparently, this has been due to some issue more of the software-based
kind. It just has been to determine what software could cause the
situation. Like I stated initially, I do not have the final answer.
Yet, for several weeks, I suspected WinEyes to play a role. When the
sticky thing comes around, I will typically experience the Ctrl key
being stuck. Everything I try to do, is performed as if I had kept my
Ctrl-key pressed. Funny thing is, if I open NVDA, the issue is gone.
This morning, when the issue again took place, I decided to do a bit of

testing.


First I thought it could be due to an app in my screen reader's
collection. So when the issue started, I tried to get to the WinEyes
ControlPanel. Physically pressing Ctrl-Backslash, had absolutely no
effect, which quite often happens. Alt-Tabbing to the panel, is out of
question, since I have WinEyes set to automatically hide from the
Alt-Tab list. So the only way now, was to go to the Taskbar, and press
Enter on WinEyes. Sure enough, the panel came up, and I went to the
App-menu, and turned off all apps. Then back to my internet working,
attempting to perform some browse mode commands. Pressing C, to get to
the next Combo box, had no effect. Pressing T, for next Table, only
opened a new tab in my browser. And pressing other navigation letters,
caused whatever funny and somehow interesting things to take place.
was almost like a new computer game. hahaha.

Allright, as I told you, things like this happens every now and then.
And normally, opening NVDA will fix the issue. Though now, I decided
not to walk the normal lane. On the contrary, I alt-Tabbed back to the
WinEyes panel, and hit Alt-F4. The screen reader closed itself down,
all well. I then restarted WinEyes, using a hotkey combination of my
choice, which does not include any of the standard modifier-keys. This
way, i am sure no Ctrl, Alt or Shift key was pressed, during the close
down or restarting process of the screen reader.

Do I have to tell you what was the result? Sure thing. WinEyes opened,
and the sticky Ctrl key has gone for vacation. No touching of the Ctrl
neither on the left or right side of the 

RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes

2020-01-06 Thread Amanda Lee via Talk
I've experienced this issue in JAWS as well and have had to kill WE or JAWS
from the task manager.  Sometimes Outlook hangs too and seems to create this
issue.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
 On Behalf
Of madl--- via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 12:26 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: m...@comcast.net
Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes

Hello,
I  have a  new keyboard which I  purchased two weeks ago and I  thought this
will solve my problem.  In my case I  don't think the keys are sticking
physically.  I  didn't have this problem until recent update from MS. For
now, when I  have this issue, I  go to taskbar then to desktop.  That fixs
the problem for a  while .  

Thanks

Moe  

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf
Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 10:10 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Pamela Dominguez 
Subject: Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes

That is different.  "sticky keys", when it says that in windows, when you
press a key more than once fast, is made so that people can type with one
hand.  So that if they need to hit, say, control something, they can hit the
control, and it will stay registered until you hit the key that goes along
with it in order to do a certain function.  That doesn't have to do with
keys getting stuck.  Mine, though, is an actual key that gets stuck, when I
least expect it.  It's the righthand shift key that gets stuck.  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: madl--- via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 9:44 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: m...@comcast.net
Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes

Hello all,
I  am having the same issue with window key,ALT key , control key.  I
thought it is my keyboard.  I  got a  new one.  That didn't solve the issue.
It something with MS window.  If you press shift key five times in the row,
you will hear something like sticky key but, I  am not sure what I  need to
do to stop it. This function was added for people that don't have ability to
type with both hands. Please let me know if anyone find a  solution.
Thanks

Moe

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf
Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 11:57 PM
To: David via Talk 
Cc: Butch Bussen ; WE English Mailinglist

Subject: Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes

I have had theis problem once in a while for years.  Something strange in
wineyes.  Sometimes reloading a different set file will solve the problem.
Often as you said, just restarting wineyes solves the problem.
  I've never found a way to make it happen, some times it just does.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On
Mon, 6 Jan 2020, David via Talk wrote:

> Have suspected this for a little while, and now I am pretty sure. Do 
> not know the fix, neither the reason why things happen.
>
> It is a known fact, that sometimes a key could get mechanically stuck 
> in its pressed position. The Shift, Alt and Ctrl keys are specially 
> vulnerable to this kind of behavior. This of course, do cause a load 
> of strange things to happen. You type an F, and up comes the File-menu 
> of the software; since the computer registers the keystroke as an 
> Alt-F. It is all due to dirt and grease, getting into your keyboard 
> over
time.
> Even small objects - like tiny screws or the like, that might have 
> fallen down on your keyboard at any time, might have got underneath 
> your key-caps and eventually causes funny things like this.
>
> The remedy for all of this behavior, is to press your Alt,Ctrl and 
> Shift keys several times. Usually that will release whatever has got
stuck.
>
> But once in a while, I have had things getting stuck, and no 
> solution.The big remedy then, has been to restart the computer.
> Apparently, this has been due to some issue more of the software-based 
> kind. It just has been to determine what software could cause the 
> situation. Like I stated initially, I do not have the final answer.
> Yet, for several weeks, I suspected WinEyes to play a role. When the 
> sticky thing comes around, I will typically experience the Ctrl key 
> being stuck. Everything I try to do, is performed as if I had kept my 
> Ctrl-key pressed. Funny thing is, if I open NVDA, the issue is gone.
> This morning, when the issue again took place, I decided to do a bit 
> of
testing.
>
> First I thought it could be due to an app in my screen reader's 
> collection. So when the issue started, I tried to get to the WinEyes 
> ControlPanel. Physically pressing Ctrl-Backslash, had absolutely no 
> effect, which quite often happens. Alt-Tabbing to the panel, is out of 
> question, since I have WinEyes set to automatically hide from the 
> Alt-Tab list. So the only way now, was to go to the Taskbar, and press 
> Enter on WinEyes. Sure enough, the panel came up, and I went

RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes

2020-01-07 Thread madl--- via Talk
Hello,
It seem to be many Jaws user having the same problem.  It is possible that
is problem cause by Jaws.  I  am not sure how to make them aware of the
issue.  Couple week ago I  was able to demonstrate the problem to one of the
tech support but, he simply ignored that, blame it the keyboard.
Anyone has any Idea? 
Thanks

P.S.
I  don't think we all have sticky keyboard issue.
Moe  

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf
Of Amanda Lee via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 1:26 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Amanda Lee 
Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes

I've experienced this issue in JAWS as well and have had to kill WE or JAWS
from the task manager.  Sometimes Outlook hangs too and seems to create this
issue.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
 On Behalf
Of madl--- via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 12:26 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: m...@comcast.net
Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes

Hello,
I  have a  new keyboard which I  purchased two weeks ago and I  thought this
will solve my problem.  In my case I  don't think the keys are sticking
physically.  I  didn't have this problem until recent update from MS. For
now, when I  have this issue, I  go to taskbar then to desktop.  That fixs
the problem for a  while .  

Thanks

Moe  

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf
Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 10:10 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Pamela Dominguez 
Subject: Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes

That is different.  "sticky keys", when it says that in windows, when you
press a key more than once fast, is made so that people can type with one
hand.  So that if they need to hit, say, control something, they can hit the
control, and it will stay registered until you hit the key that goes along
with it in order to do a certain function.  That doesn't have to do with
keys getting stuck.  Mine, though, is an actual key that gets stuck, when I
least expect it.  It's the righthand shift key that gets stuck.  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: madl--- via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 9:44 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: m...@comcast.net
Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes

Hello all,
I  am having the same issue with window key,ALT key , control key.  I
thought it is my keyboard.  I  got a  new one.  That didn't solve the issue.
It something with MS window.  If you press shift key five times in the row,
you will hear something like sticky key but, I  am not sure what I  need to
do to stop it. This function was added for people that don't have ability to
type with both hands. Please let me know if anyone find a  solution.
Thanks

Moe

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf
Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 11:57 PM
To: David via Talk 
Cc: Butch Bussen ; WE English Mailinglist

Subject: Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes

I have had theis problem once in a while for years.  Something strange in
wineyes.  Sometimes reloading a different set file will solve the problem.
Often as you said, just restarting wineyes solves the problem.
  I've never found a way to make it happen, some times it just does.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On
Mon, 6 Jan 2020, David via Talk wrote:

> Have suspected this for a little while, and now I am pretty sure. Do 
> not know the fix, neither the reason why things happen.
>
> It is a known fact, that sometimes a key could get mechanically stuck 
> in its pressed position. The Shift, Alt and Ctrl keys are specially 
> vulnerable to this kind of behavior. This of course, do cause a load 
> of strange things to happen. You type an F, and up comes the File-menu 
> of the software; since the computer registers the keystroke as an 
> Alt-F. It is all due to dirt and grease, getting into your keyboard 
> over
time.
> Even small objects - like tiny screws or the like, that might have 
> fallen down on your keyboard at any time, might have got underneath 
> your key-caps and eventually causes funny things like this.
>
> The remedy for all of this behavior, is to press your Alt,Ctrl and 
> Shift keys several times. Usually that will release whatever has got
stuck.
>
> But once in a while, I have had things getting stuck, and no 
> solution.The big remedy then, has been to restart the computer.
> Apparently, this has been due to some issue more of the software-based 
> kind. It just has been to determine what software could cause the 
> situation. Like I stated initially, I do not have the final answer.
> Yet, for several weeks, I suspected WinEyes to play a role. When the 
> sticky thing comes around, I will typically experience the Ctrl key 
> being stuck. Everything I try to do, is performed as if I had kept my 
> Ctrl-key pressed. Funny thing is, if I open NVDA, the issue is gone.
> This mor

Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes

2020-01-07 Thread Loy Green via Talk
to turn off sticky keys type sticky keys in the search box and in settings 
you can unchecked use shortcut key to use sticky keys.
- Original Message - 
From: "madl--- via Talk" 

To: "'Window-Eyes Discussion List'" 
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 9:24 AM
Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes



Hello,
It seem to be many Jaws user having the same problem.  It is possible that
is problem cause by Jaws.  I  am not sure how to make them aware of the
issue.  Couple week ago I  was able to demonstrate the problem to one of 
the

tech support but, he simply ignored that, blame it the keyboard.
Anyone has any Idea?
Thanks

P.S.
I  don't think we all have sticky keyboard issue.
Moe

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf
Of Amanda Lee via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 1:26 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Amanda Lee 
Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes

I've experienced this issue in JAWS as well and have had to kill WE or 
JAWS
from the task manager.  Sometimes Outlook hangs too and seems to create 
this

issue.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
 On 
Behalf

Of madl--- via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 12:26 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: m...@comcast.net
Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes

Hello,
I  have a  new keyboard which I  purchased two weeks ago and I  thought 
this

will solve my problem.  In my case I  don't think the keys are sticking
physically.  I  didn't have this problem until recent update from MS. For
now, when I  have this issue, I  go to taskbar then to desktop.  That fixs
the problem for a  while .

Thanks

Moe

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf
Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 10:10 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Pamela Dominguez 
Subject: Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes

That is different.  "sticky keys", when it says that in windows, when you
press a key more than once fast, is made so that people can type with one
hand.  So that if they need to hit, say, control something, they can hit 
the

control, and it will stay registered until you hit the key that goes along
with it in order to do a certain function.  That doesn't have to do with
keys getting stuck.  Mine, though, is an actual key that gets stuck, when 
I

least expect it.  It's the righthand shift key that gets stuck.  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: madl--- via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 9:44 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: m...@comcast.net
Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes

Hello all,
I  am having the same issue with window key,ALT key , control key.  I
thought it is my keyboard.  I  got a  new one.  That didn't solve the 
issue.
It something with MS window.  If you press shift key five times in the 
row,
you will hear something like sticky key but, I  am not sure what I  need 
to
do to stop it. This function was added for people that don't have ability 
to

type with both hands. Please let me know if anyone find a  solution.
Thanks

Moe

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf
Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 11:57 PM
To: David via Talk 
Cc: Butch Bussen ; WE English Mailinglist

Subject: Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes

I have had theis problem once in a while for years.  Something strange in
wineyes.  Sometimes reloading a different set file will solve the problem.
Often as you said, just restarting wineyes solves the problem.
 I've never found a way to make it happen, some times it just does.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On
Mon, 6 Jan 2020, David via Talk wrote:


Have suspected this for a little while, and now I am pretty sure. Do
not know the fix, neither the reason why things happen.

It is a known fact, that sometimes a key could get mechanically stuck
in its pressed position. The Shift, Alt and Ctrl keys are specially
vulnerable to this kind of behavior. This of course, do cause a load
of strange things to happen. You type an F, and up comes the File-menu
of the software; since the computer registers the keystroke as an
Alt-F. It is all due to dirt and grease, getting into your keyboard
over

time.

Even small objects - like tiny screws or the like, that might have
fallen down on your keyboard at any time, might have got underneath
your key-caps and eventually causes funny things like this.

The remedy for all of this behavior, is to press your Alt,Ctrl and
Shift keys several times. Usually that will release whatever has got

stuck.


But once in a while, I have had things getting stuck, and no
solution.The big remedy then, has been to restart the computer.
Apparently, this has been due to some issue more of the software-based
kind. It just has been to determine what software could cause the
situation. Like I stated initially, I do not have the final answer.
Yet, for several weeks, I suspected WinEyes to play a role. When the
sticky t

Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes

2020-01-07 Thread David via Talk
That's right. And just to clarify any misunderstandings. In my initial 
message I was not sure exactly what term to use for the behavior I 
described. Probably I chose a less clear term, since it was 
misinterpretted to mean the feature of Windows, named sticky keys. That 
one, is a "wanted" feature, something you deliberately will have the 
chance of turning on. And something that you will activate by either 
holding down the right shift for a few seconds, or pressing it 
repeatedly three times within a limited period of time.


What I was describing, is when things get stuck without you wanting, 
initiating or intending it to. Another thing is that the Sticky Key 
function in Windows, will only work for one keystroke at a time. When 
you turn it on, you will have to press say the shift-key, then a 
character, to have that one capitalized. Next time you want a 
capitalized character, you first have to touch the shift-key. You have 
to repeat that procedure for every keystroke you want with any modifying 
key.


Again, the issue I was talking about, is when you do press no 
key-modifier, and still they stick or hang. Meaning that every key you 
press, will be interpretted as if you had pressed it along with a 
key-modifier. May it happen, that a better term for that is

     Hanging Keys.


Sorry for whatever misunderstanding I caused.


David

On 1/7/2020 3:39 PM, Loy Green via Talk wrote:
> to turn off sticky keys type sticky keys in the search box and in 
> settings you can unchecked use shortcut key to use sticky keys.
> - Original Message - From: "madl--- via Talk" 
> 
> To: "'Window-Eyes Discussion List'" 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 9:24 AM
> Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes
>
>
>> Hello,
>> It seem to be many Jaws user having the same problem.  It is possible 
>> that
>> is problem cause by Jaws.  I  am not sure how to make them aware of the
>> issue.  Couple week ago I  was able to demonstrate the problem to one 
>> of the
>> tech support but, he simply ignored that, blame it the keyboard.
>> Anyone has any Idea?
>> Thanks
>>
>> P.S.
>> I  don't think we all have sticky keyboard issue.
>> Moe
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk  On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Amanda Lee via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 1:26 PM
>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
>> Cc: Amanda Lee 
>> Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes
>>
>> I've experienced this issue in JAWS as well and have had to kill WE 
>> or JAWS
>> from the task manager.  Sometimes Outlook hangs too and seems to 
>> create this
>> issue.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>>  On 
>> Behalf
>> Of madl--- via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 12:26 PM
>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
>> Cc: m...@comcast.net
>> Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes
>>
>> Hello,
>> I  have a  new keyboard which I  purchased two weeks ago and I 
>> thought this
>> will solve my problem.  In my case I  don't think the keys are sticking
>> physically.  I  didn't have this problem until recent update from MS. 
>> For
>> now, when I  have this issue, I  go to taskbar then to desktop. That 
>> fixs
>> the problem for a  while .
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Moe
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk  On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 10:10 AM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Pamela Dominguez 
>> Subject: Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes
>>
>> That is different.  "sticky keys", when it says that in windows, when 
>> you
>> press a key more than once fast, is made so that people can type with 
>> one
>> hand.  So that if they need to hit, say, control something, they can 
>> hit the
>> control, and it will stay registered until you hit the key that goes 
>> along
>> with it in order to do a certain function.  That doesn't have to do with
>> keys getting stuck.  Mine, though, is an actual key that gets stuck, 
>> when I
>> least expect it.  It's the righthand shift key that gets stuck. Pam.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: madl--- via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 9:44 AM
>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> Cc: m...@comcast.net
>> Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes
>>
>> Hello all,
>> I  am having the same issue with window key,ALT key , control key.  I
>> thought it is my keyboard.  I  got a  n

Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes

2020-01-07 Thread David via Talk
Interesting. I do have a version of Jaws here. Will keep it in mind, and 
next time the issue shows up under WinEyes, I will attempt to start 
Jaws, and see what that will do. If it - like you describe - continues 
under even that screen reader, then we at least have uprooted the blame 
on WinEyes itself.


That, in turn, would lead me to wonder if this whole thing could be due 
to some kind of activity going on between Windows itself, and screen 
readers in general. Well, glad to know that I am not on my own on this 
issue. Kind of been considering if this could have been due to some 
malware. But even when my computer is newly scanned and cleaned, things 
like this could happen. It even seems it happens more frequently when in 
browse mode, but maybe that is just because I end up doing quite a 
portion of computing right there.


Thanks for all feedback.


David

On 1/7/2020 3:24 PM, madl--- via Talk wrote:
> Hello,
> It seem to be many Jaws user having the same problem.  It is possible that
> is problem cause by Jaws.  I  am not sure how to make them aware of the
> issue.  Couple week ago I  was able to demonstrate the problem to one of the
> tech support but, he simply ignored that, blame it the keyboard.
> Anyone has any Idea?
> Thanks
>
> P.S.
> I  don't think we all have sticky keyboard issue.
> Moe
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk  On Behalf
> Of Amanda Lee via Talk
> Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 1:26 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
> Cc: Amanda Lee 
> Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes
>
> I've experienced this issue in JAWS as well and have had to kill WE or JAWS
> from the task manager.  Sometimes Outlook hangs too and seems to create this
> issue.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
>  On Behalf
> Of madl--- via Talk
> Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 12:26 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
> Cc: m...@comcast.net
> Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes
>
> Hello,
> I  have a  new keyboard which I  purchased two weeks ago and I  thought this
> will solve my problem.  In my case I  don't think the keys are sticking
> physically.  I  didn't have this problem until recent update from MS. For
> now, when I  have this issue, I  go to taskbar then to desktop.  That fixs
> the problem for a  while .
>
> Thanks
>
> Moe
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk  On Behalf
> Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
> Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 10:10 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Cc: Pamela Dominguez 
> Subject: Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes
>
> That is different.  "sticky keys", when it says that in windows, when you
> press a key more than once fast, is made so that people can type with one
> hand.  So that if they need to hit, say, control something, they can hit the
> control, and it will stay registered until you hit the key that goes along
> with it in order to do a certain function.  That doesn't have to do with
> keys getting stuck.  Mine, though, is an actual key that gets stuck, when I
> least expect it.  It's the righthand shift key that gets stuck.  Pam.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: madl--- via Talk
> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 9:44 AM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Cc: m...@comcast.net
> Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes
>
> Hello all,
> I  am having the same issue with window key,ALT key , control key.  I
> thought it is my keyboard.  I  got a  new one.  That didn't solve the issue.
> It something with MS window.  If you press shift key five times in the row,
> you will hear something like sticky key but, I  am not sure what I  need to
> do to stop it. This function was added for people that don't have ability to
> type with both hands. Please let me know if anyone find a  solution.
> Thanks
>
> Moe
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk  On Behalf
> Of Butch Bussen via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 11:57 PM
> To: David via Talk 
> Cc: Butch Bussen ; WE English Mailinglist
> 
> Subject: Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes
>
> I have had theis problem once in a while for years.  Something strange in
> wineyes.  Sometimes reloading a different set file will solve the problem.
> Often as you said, just restarting wineyes solves the problem.
>I've never found a way to make it happen, some times it just does.
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
> Wallace, ks.
>
>
> On
> Mon, 6 Jan 2020, David via Talk wrote:
>
>> Have suspected this for a little while, and now I am pretty sure. Do
>> not know the fix, neither the reason why things happen.
>>
>> It is a known fact, that sometimes a key could get mechanically stuck
>>

Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes

2020-01-07 Thread Curtis Delzer via Talk
Well, jfw, for many years has issues with it's keyboard driver where 
either the control or alt key gets stuck down, and then becomes a 
combined keystroke for subsequent keys. The only way to fix it is to tap 
on the "so-called) "stuck down" key many times and hopefully it'll 
release. This behavior goes way back in time to JFW 5.0, or at least the 
first JFW which supported windows XP or maybe even earlier.


Curtis Delzer
HS
K 6 V F O
Rialto, CA

cur...@calweb.com

On 1/7/2020 7:15 AM, David via Talk wrote:

That's right. And just to clarify any misunderstandings. In my initial
message I was not sure exactly what term to use for the behavior I
described. Probably I chose a less clear term, since it was
misinterpretted to mean the feature of Windows, named sticky keys. That
one, is a "wanted" feature, something you deliberately will have the
chance of turning on. And something that you will activate by either
holding down the right shift for a few seconds, or pressing it
repeatedly three times within a limited period of time.


What I was describing, is when things get stuck without you wanting,
initiating or intending it to. Another thing is that the Sticky Key
function in Windows, will only work for one keystroke at a time. When
you turn it on, you will have to press say the shift-key, then a
character, to have that one capitalized. Next time you want a
capitalized character, you first have to touch the shift-key. You have
to repeat that procedure for every keystroke you want with any modifying
key.


Again, the issue I was talking about, is when you do press no
key-modifier, and still they stick or hang. Meaning that every key you
press, will be interpretted as if you had pressed it along with a
key-modifier. May it happen, that a better term for that is

      Hanging Keys.


Sorry for whatever misunderstanding I caused.


David

On 1/7/2020 3:39 PM, Loy Green via Talk wrote:

to turn off sticky keys type sticky keys in the search box and in
settings you can unchecked use shortcut key to use sticky keys.
- Original Message - From: "madl--- via Talk"

To: "'Window-Eyes Discussion List'" 
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 9:24 AM
Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes



Hello,
It seem to be many Jaws user having the same problem.  It is possible
that
is problem cause by Jaws.  I  am not sure how to make them aware of the
issue.  Couple week ago I  was able to demonstrate the problem to one
of the
tech support but, he simply ignored that, blame it the keyboard.
Anyone has any Idea?
Thanks

P.S.
I  don't think we all have sticky keyboard issue.
Moe

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf
Of Amanda Lee via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 1:26 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Amanda Lee 
Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes

I've experienced this issue in JAWS as well and have had to kill WE
or JAWS
from the task manager.  Sometimes Outlook hangs too and seems to
create this
issue.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
 On
Behalf
Of madl--- via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 12:26 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: m...@comcast.net
Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes

Hello,
I  have a  new keyboard which I  purchased two weeks ago and I
thought this
will solve my problem.  In my case I  don't think the keys are sticking
physically.  I  didn't have this problem until recent update from MS.
For
now, when I  have this issue, I  go to taskbar then to desktop. That
fixs
the problem for a  while .

Thanks

Moe

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf
Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 10:10 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Pamela Dominguez 
Subject: Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes

That is different.  "sticky keys", when it says that in windows, when
you
press a key more than once fast, is made so that people can type with
one
hand.  So that if they need to hit, say, control something, they can
hit the
control, and it will stay registered until you hit the key that goes
along
with it in order to do a certain function.  That doesn't have to do with
keys getting stuck.  Mine, though, is an actual key that gets stuck,
when I
least expect it.  It's the righthand shift key that gets stuck. Pam.

-Original Message-
From: madl--- via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 9:44 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: m...@comcast.net
Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes

Hello all,
I  am having the same issue with window key,ALT key , control key.  I
thought it is my keyboard.  I  got a  new one.  That didn't solve the
issue.
It something with MS window.  If you press shift key five times in
the row,
you will hear something like sticky key but, I  am not sure what I
need to
do to stop it. This function was added for people that don't have
ability to
type with both hands. Please let m