Re: [OSM-talk] how are runways related to an airport/aerodrome

[Madhav Vodnala]

This is a good idea. Is ICAO code same as the airport code as identified by
US DOT?.US DOT provides a lot of useful information on the world airports.
http://www.transtats.bts.gov/DL_SelectFields.asp?Table_ID=288&DB_Short_Name=Aviation%20Support%20Tables

"relation" definitely seems unnecessary here.

On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 5:12 AM, OJ W  wrote:

> in commercial nav data, the runways contain a tag with the airport's ICAO
> code
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Re: [OSM-talk] Error in OSM site when Exporting to Embedded HTML

[Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason]

On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Ivan Garcia wrote:
> Hi, I realized that when I click in the EXPORT tab of OSM.org and I choose
> the Embedded HTML radiobox, it appears a link that says: "Click here to
> select a marker", but when I click later on in the map, no marker is placed,
> I'm using Firefox 3 in my Kubuntu.

Can someone who can debug JS look at this? Firefox error
console/Firebug complain about undefined variables but I can't track
down what's wrong.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Create OSM mailing list talk-vi

[Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason]

On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Ivan Garcia wrote:
>> [...]I wonder if you could get those photos or even the maps via a FOIA
>> request?
>
> I doubt that data taken 30 years ago cannot be high quality, maybe the roads
> have a 10/-10 meters unaccuracy if they have been drawn from aerial photos
> and not GPSed.

That data is probably very acceptable for OSM use, and the military
probably took care to take good aerial photography.

> Even thought, I'm sure not so many vietnamese mappers would like to see in
> the Source tag that army that also used to bomb and kill many millions of
> their own people :-(

It would be unfortunate if mapping efforts were impeded due to this.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Create OSM mailing list talk-vi

[Ivan Garcia]

Hi Russ,

[...]I wonder if you could get those photos or even the maps via a FOIA
> request?
>

I doubt that data taken 30 years ago cannot be high quality, maybe the roads
have a 10/-10 meters unaccuracy if they have been drawn from aerial photos
and not GPSed.

Even thought, I'm sure not so many vietnamese mappers would like to see in
the Source tag that army that also used to bomb and kill many millions of
their own people :-(

Best Regards.
Ivan.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Create OSM mailing list talk-vi

[Russ Nelson]

On Jun 22, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Ivan Garcia wrote:

> Hi Russ, well, I think we cannot use the general talk list because  
> we want to talk in vietnamese, same than talk-es talk in Spanish  
> even they have also an small community.


Ah!  Well, of course you should talk in Vietnamese!  You can plan  
around the mapping party well enough.  To keep the list's momentum  
going, talk about real-world things, like State of the Map (e.g. the  
Vietnamese guy who's going on a grant), or suggest that people join  
the OpenStreetMap Foundation, or post notes about the mapping you're  
doing, or anything about Vietnamese maps that anybody else is working  
on.  The best way to keep a list going is to import information.   
Otherwise the list descends into silence, or worse, introspective meta- 
discussion.

I met a guy this weekend at a bike shop (Bikes @ Vienna); an older  
black fellow.  His ears perked up when he heard me talk about  
mapping.  Turns out that he was in the Navy during the Vietnam War,  
and was a photointerpreter.  The US military had zero maps of Vietnam,  
and had to make them by overflying the entire country (which must have  
been ... entertaining ), and tracing the photos just like we're  
doing now.

I wonder if you could get those photos or even the maps via a FOIA  
request?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Create OSM mailing list talk-vi

[Aun Yngve Johnsen]

I totally agree, I think that is one of the reasons the Brazilian  
community have become more active lately. For small communities with  
other languages than English, anything that helps reduce the barrier  
for new people are welcome. The Brazilian community works hard now on  
translating vital parts of the wiki and the most used programs to  
Brazilian Portuguese, all to help more Brazilians getting involved. If  
a talk-vi can do the same for Vietnam, than go ahead. The project goal  
is not to limit communication, but to make the best free online map  
ever.


A. Johnsen

On 22/06/2009, at 13:04, Ivan Garcia wrote:

Sorry Ivan I didn't pretend to offend the spanish community ( I even  
consider myself part of it).


I just wanted to say that even a mailing lists with small number of  
traffic but in a different language than english should have right  
to own their own mailing list.


Best Regards.
Ivan.


On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote:

hehe, good reply. Go for your own list, as it is the best way to get
the community growing!

best wishes,
Martin

2009/6/22 Ivan Garcia :
> Hi Russ, well, I think we cannot use the general talk list because  
we want
> to talk in vietnamese, same than talk-es talk in Spanish even they  
have also

> an small community.
>
> Best Regards.
> Ivan.
>
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Russ Nelson   
wrote:

>>
>> Ivan, I suggest that you use the talk mailing list.  When talk  
about
>> Vietnam threatens to overwhelm all else, then it's time to fork  
off a new
>> list.  Otherwise you end up with a list that has too few  
participants and

>> insufficient traffic to sustain a community.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Create OSM mailing list talk-vi

[Ivan Garcia]

Sorry Ivan I didn't pretend to offend the spanish community ( I even
consider myself part of it).

I just wanted to say that even a mailing lists with small number of traffic
but in a different language than english should have right to own their own
mailing list.

Best Regards.
Ivan.


On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer  wrote:

> hehe, good reply. Go for your own list, as it is the best way to get
> the community growing!
>
> best wishes,
> Martin
>
> 2009/6/22 Ivan Garcia :
> > Hi Russ, well, I think we cannot use the general talk list because we
> want
> > to talk in vietnamese, same than talk-es talk in Spanish even they have
> also
> > an small community.
> >
> > Best Regards.
> > Ivan.
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Russ Nelson  wrote:
> >>
> >> Ivan, I suggest that you use the talk mailing list.  When talk about
> >> Vietnam threatens to overwhelm all else, then it's time to fork off a
> new
> >> list.  Otherwise you end up with a list that has too few participants
> and
> >> insufficient traffic to sustain a community.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Create OSM mailing list talk-vi

[Iván Sánchez Ortega]

El Lunes, 22 de Junio de 2009, Ivan Garcia escribió:
> [...] same than talk-es talk in Spanish even they have
> also an small community.

Hey, I've heard you there! And our community is not small!

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Re: [OSM-talk] Create OSM mailing list talk-vi

[Ivan Garcia]

Hi Russ, well, I think we cannot use the general talk list because we want
to talk in vietnamese, same than talk-es talk in Spanish even they have also
an small community.

Best Regards.
Ivan.

On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Russ Nelson  wrote:

> Ivan, I suggest that you use the talk mailing list.  When talk about
> Vietnam threatens to overwhelm all else, then it's time to fork off a new
> list.  Otherwise you end up with a list that has too few participants and
> insufficient traffic to sustain a community.
>
>
> On Jun 22, 2009, at 4:56 AM, Ivan Garcia wrote:
>
>  Hi,
>>
>> in Hanoi, capital of Vietnam we are having a OSM Mapping party next month
>> [1] and we'd like to have a mailing list address like "talk-vi", is it
>> possible some admin create it for us?
>>
>> Best Regards.
>>
>> [1]. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/HanoiMappingParty2009
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] railway=halt rendering

[Russ Nelson]

On Jun 22, 2009, at 7:04 AM, Andy Allan wrote:

> Mmmm text ordering. One of my least favourite problems to sort out.

And THIS, my friends, is why cartography is an art form, not a  
science, and I have the greatest respect for people who can do it.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Create OSM mailing list talk-vi

[Russ Nelson]

Ivan, I suggest that you use the talk mailing list.  When talk about  
Vietnam threatens to overwhelm all else, then it's time to fork off a  
new list.  Otherwise you end up with a list that has too few  
participants and insufficient traffic to sustain a community.

On Jun 22, 2009, at 4:56 AM, Ivan Garcia wrote:

> Hi,
>
> in Hanoi, capital of Vietnam we are having a OSM Mapping party next  
> month [1] and we'd like to have a mailing list address like "talk- 
> vi", is it possible some admin create it for us?
>
> Best Regards.
>
> [1]. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/HanoiMappingParty2009
>
>
> 

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Re: [OSM-talk] how are runways related to an airport/aerodrome

[OJ W]

in commercial nav data, the runways contain a tag with the airport's ICAO code

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Re: [OSM-talk] railway=halt rendering

[Richard Mann]

I know it's a devil of a balancing act, and am hugely grateful that
someone's made as good a job of it as you have already. Maybe it's one of
those instances when someone ought to discreetly shift the town name node to
somewhere a bit more renderer-friendly.

Richard

On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Andy Allan  wrote:

> Mmmm text ordering. One of my least favourite problems to sort out.
>
> I've generally gone for the principle that all cycling information has
> to show up at some point, and in the case you link to it's the node
> network numbers that "bump off" the town names. I recently changed
> things around so that cycle route "shields" don't take off town names
> so it looks like I need to rethink node numbers as well. The problem
> is when there is a node number right beside the town name node they
> need to swap around at one zoom level or another.
>
> Cheers,
> Andy
>
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Richard
> Mann wrote:
> > On the cycle map, I often find myself zooming in on the station to find
> out
> > the name of a town, though perhaps it would be better if the city name
> > rendered...
> >
> >
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.159&lon=4.515&zoom=11&layers=00B0FTF
> >
> > Richard
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Anton Yuzhaninov 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Name of railway=halt rendered only on high zoom levels. In osmaprender
> it
> >> shown only at level
> >> 16, while it is useful to see name at zoom 13.
> >>
> >> As workaround for this railway=halt sometimes tagged as railway=station
> >> but it seems to be not
> >> correct:
> >>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_practice#Don.27t_map_for_the_renderer
> >>
> >> Also name for railway=station shown only at zoom 13, while useful to see
> >> this name at level 11
> >> or 12.
> >>
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Re: [OSM-talk] how are runways related to an airport/aerodrome

[Andy Allan]

On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 7:21 AM, Madhav Vodnala wrote:
> Hi Guys
>
> In this Mapping Features documentation page, it says add only
>  aeroway=runway  tag to the way to denote it
> a runway
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:aeroway%3Drunway
>
> As a result, you will see runways as the following.
>
> I have not yet checked it out, but it looks like the only way is to traverse
> all the nodes.
>
>
>
> Does anybody have an alternative solution?. I think adding new "relation"
> can address
> this issue.

There's no need for a new relations, that I can see. All the runways
have latitudes and longitudes, as do the airports. Does anyone know of
a runway that belongs to airport A but is closer to airport B? Even if
that was to happen, it could easily be sorted by putting in the
airport perimeters and working out which airport perimeter goes around
the runway in question.

In short: OSM is spatial, not everything needs to be a relation.

Cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] railway=halt rendering

[Andy Allan]

Mmmm text ordering. One of my least favourite problems to sort out.

I've generally gone for the principle that all cycling information has
to show up at some point, and in the case you link to it's the node
network numbers that "bump off" the town names. I recently changed
things around so that cycle route "shields" don't take off town names
so it looks like I need to rethink node numbers as well. The problem
is when there is a node number right beside the town name node they
need to swap around at one zoom level or another.

Cheers,
Andy

On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Richard
Mann wrote:
> On the cycle map, I often find myself zooming in on the station to find out
> the name of a town, though perhaps it would be better if the city name
> rendered...
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.159&lon=4.515&zoom=11&layers=00B0FTF
>
> Richard
>
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Anton Yuzhaninov  wrote:
>>
>> Name of railway=halt rendered only on high zoom levels. In osmaprender it
>> shown only at level
>> 16, while it is useful to see name at zoom 13.
>>
>> As workaround for this railway=halt sometimes tagged as railway=station
>> but it seems to be not
>> correct:
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_practice#Don.27t_map_for_the_renderer
>>
>> Also name for railway=station shown only at zoom 13, while useful to see
>> this name at level 11
>> or 12.
>>
>> --
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>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] railway=halt rendering

[Anton Yuzhaninov]

Richard Mann wrote:
> On the cycle map, I often find myself zooming in on the station to find
> out the name of a town, though perhaps it would be better if the city
> name rendered...
>  
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.159&lon=4.515&zoom=11&layers=00B0FTF
> 
>  

City/town name should have higher priority, than railway station/halt if both 
can be rendered
on same zoom level.

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Re: [OSM-talk] railway=halt rendering

[Richard Mann]

On the cycle map, I often find myself zooming in on the station to find out
the name of a town, though perhaps it would be better if the city name
rendered...

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.159&lon=4.515&zoom=11&layers=00B0FTF

Richard

On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Anton Yuzhaninov  wrote:

> Name of railway=halt rendered only on high zoom levels. In osmaprender it
> shown only at level
> 16, while it is useful to see name at zoom 13.
>
> As workaround for this railway=halt sometimes tagged as railway=station but
> it seems to be not
> correct:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_practice#Don.27t_map_for_the_renderer
>
> Also name for railway=station shown only at zoom 13, while useful to see
> this name at level 11
> or 12.
>
> --
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Re: [OSM-talk] Create OSM mailing list talk-vi

[Andy Allan]

"If you want a new list for your country or language, send email to
Michael Collinson, michael at osmfoundation dot org "

As it says at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mailing_lists

Cheers,
Andy

On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Ivan Garcia wrote:
> Hi,
>
> in Hanoi, capital of Vietnam we are having a OSM Mapping party next month
> [1] and we'd like to have a mailing list address like "talk-vi", is it
> possible some admin create it for us?
>
> Best Regards.
>
> [1]. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/HanoiMappingParty2009
>
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[OSM-talk] Error in OSM site when Exporting to Embedded HTML

[Ivan Garcia]

Hi, I realized that when I click in the EXPORT tab of OSM.org and I choose
the Embedded HTML radiobox, it appears a link that says: "Click here to
select a marker", but when I click later on in the map, no marker is placed,
I'm using Firefox 3 in my Kubuntu.

Any help? I'm sure it can be really easy to fix.

Best Regards.
Ivan
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[OSM-talk] Create OSM mailing list talk-vi

[Ivan Garcia]

Hi,

in Hanoi, capital of Vietnam we are having a OSM Mapping party next month
[1] and we'd like to have a mailing list address like "talk-vi", is it
possible some admin create it for us?

Best Regards.

[1]. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/HanoiMappingParty2009
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[OSM-talk] railway=halt rendering

[Anton Yuzhaninov]

Name of railway=halt rendered only on high zoom levels. In osmaprender it shown 
only at level
16, while it is useful to see name at zoom 13.

As workaround for this railway=halt sometimes tagged as railway=station but it 
seems to be not
correct: 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_practice#Don.27t_map_for_the_renderer

Also name for railway=station shown only at zoom 13, while useful to see this 
name at level 11
or 12.

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[OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - amenity=picnic_table

[John Smith]

Proposal Page:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/picnic_table

This is proposal for tagging picnic tables, as amenity=bench and 
tourism=picnic_site aren't adequate enough to label these amenities correctly.


  

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