Re: [OSM-talk] New users have to sign up to the ODbL
> You can override it by adjusting the Accept-Language settings in your > browser. But how we do language *detection* is a separate from how we > should do content delivery once we've done the detection. Theoretically, but if you are in some sort of internet cafe outside your country, you may be unable to do it (I got once stuck with OSM site in French - no way to change it, since the browser preferences were also in French, thus not legible for me, sometimes the preferences are adminbistratively locked, etc ...) Some way to override Accept-language (without having to login) would be nice. Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] mass mailing osm mappers
On 13 May 2010 09:38, Frederik Ramm wrote: >> we would like to make as many NZ mappers aware of the import as >> possible, firstly to reduce these concerns, and to stop the potential >> outfux of NZ mappers who see themselves being replaced by bots and >> scripts. also, it would of course be beneficial to include more people >> in what we are doing > > Do you not have a talk-nz list or something where this could be announced? A yes, we have a google groups list, but there are only around 90 users. auckland alone has more mappers than that (although most of them have not done much) i've been thinking about a talk-nz list hosted by osm for a while; perhaps we should request that - i know there are some who are put off by google groups? > good idea would also be to create wiki page and link to this from the yes, we have wiki links in data we've changed, but no-one looks at them it seems, or they don't care. hard to tell > changeset comment or so, so that anyone investigating an edit through the > web site will get to read your pamphlet. > >> are there any issues with mass contacting either (a) everyone who has >> set their location as in NZ, or (b) everyone who has made an edit >> within NZ? is there an AUP for osm which forbids this? > > Both of these are unwanted; (a) is not possible without actually moving your > own location around in small increments - a certain Russ N. reputedly has a > script that does that and got bollocked for it. (b) is possible and you > might *just* get away with it if you're talking 10 or 20 messages, but not > if it is in the hundreds, and especially not if some of them complain. i thought that might be the case. qualitatively it's probably no different, but is it acceptable to crowd-source making contact, mechanical turk style? so, say there are ten of us working on the import, and we each mail 20 people... > I think it would be nice to have a feature where users can actually enable a > check box in their profile "I wish to be contacted by other mappers in my > area about mapping events or other things of relevance", and then an > interface where you can simply draw a bounding box and say "send this > message to all mappers in this box who have the checkbox ticked". it would indeed. of course getting them to look at the option and actively consider what they want is the next problem... > But as long as we don't have that, we don't normally mass-email mappers. righto ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] mass mailing osm mappers
On 13 May 2010 07:13, Robin Paulson wrote: > set their location as in NZ, or (b) everyone who has made an edit > within NZ? is there an AUP for osm which forbids this? b is possible, although you'd need to be able to do some internet connected scripting, you pull down a local copy either from XAPI or use osmosis on the australia-oceania extra to pull out the NZ edits, you then extract the userids and/or usernames from the extract, exclude the bots and then the fun begins, you submit your message as a http post or get, in a similar fashion to how the web site works... However I like Frederik's suggestion of extending the website to ask people if they want to be mailed about important things like this, this would be even better if the change happens before or about the same time as the request to prompt users to set their license preferences. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] mass mailing osm mappers
Hi, For that, I (we the talk-ca list) did 1: Posted a notice on all of the Wiki Pages of people who indicated they were mapping in Canada. (45 or so at the time) -tried to make the Canada wiki page as clear as i could (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User_talk:Srw) is an example) * listing it on regional pages also helps 2 - announced on the talk-ca list, 3 - posted notes on my journal entry 4 - contacted everyone from around my placemark 5 - used itoworld (i set a pre-set to each of the major areas) as a way to filter out the bots and see who the top mappers are for each area* 6 - i asked each on the talk-ca list to share the news with others (as talk-ca discussions progressed) 7 - we had some mapping parties which also helped (although mapping parties IMO) *what is assumed is that those who are the top mappers in the area, would also be the ones who would want to host a regional mapping party & are also the most active.. so they are monitoring the progress of their area quicker. & local people are more likely to respond to other local people. 8 - gave it lots of time (after announcing) note that Canada already had/has the Garmin Map Version so this was something that people can use in the mean-time. (ibycus topo) So if everyone on the import team were to try their hardest to get more people on the talk-nz list,Perhaps you want to create a OSM - specific mailing list? (since , ) is generic (and was the 1st for the area). Your bound to annoy some people, and we certainly did. (even though we dont interfer with their data, it's still an annoying think knowing that your work you did in the last few years, could be easily dropped in in a very short time. So a solution is to; 1 - divide up the area into small .1x.1 degree tiles and make these tiles available for local mappers to drop in the data. 2 - doing the above would a) get those local mappers more involved as they know the data doesnt need to be imported & it can be done at any time b) you can really see how OSM has the higher value data (shop names etc) which is also a benifit and c) if your LINZ is older, then you can enjoy seeing how accurate OSM map is. 3 - although this method takes a lot of time, the map will slowely get better (and im sure the back-end servers would be happy too). And it also gives lots of time for errors in the rules.txt files that were used to be spotted & corrected as more users are working with the data My Pocket change, Cheers, Sam On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Robin, > > Robin Paulson wrote: > > we would like to make as many NZ mappers aware of the import as > > possible, firstly to reduce these concerns, and to stop the potential > > outfux of NZ mappers who see themselves being replaced by bots and > > scripts. also, it would of course be beneficial to include more people > > in what we are doing > > Do you not have a talk-nz list or something where this could be > announced? A good idea would also be to create wiki page and link to > this from the changeset comment or so, so that anyone investigating an > edit through the web site will get to read your pamphlet. > > > are there any issues with mass contacting either (a) everyone who has > > set their location as in NZ, or (b) everyone who has made an edit > > within NZ? is there an AUP for osm which forbids this? > > Both of these are unwanted; (a) is not possible without actually moving > your own location around in small increments - a certain Russ N. > reputedly has a script that does that and got bollocked for it. (b) is > possible and you might *just* get away with it if you're talking 10 or > 20 messages, but not if it is in the hundreds, and especially not if > some of them complain. > > I think it would be nice to have a feature where users can actually > enable a check box in their profile "I wish to be contacted by other > mappers in my area about mapping events or other things of relevance", > and then an interface where you can simply draw a bounding box and say > "send this message to all mappers in this box who have the checkbox > ticked". > > But as long as we don't have that, we don't normally mass-email mappers. > > Bye > Frederik > > -- > Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] mass mailing osm mappers
Robin, Robin Paulson wrote: > we would like to make as many NZ mappers aware of the import as > possible, firstly to reduce these concerns, and to stop the potential > outfux of NZ mappers who see themselves being replaced by bots and > scripts. also, it would of course be beneficial to include more people > in what we are doing Do you not have a talk-nz list or something where this could be announced? A good idea would also be to create wiki page and link to this from the changeset comment or so, so that anyone investigating an edit through the web site will get to read your pamphlet. > are there any issues with mass contacting either (a) everyone who has > set their location as in NZ, or (b) everyone who has made an edit > within NZ? is there an AUP for osm which forbids this? Both of these are unwanted; (a) is not possible without actually moving your own location around in small increments - a certain Russ N. reputedly has a script that does that and got bollocked for it. (b) is possible and you might *just* get away with it if you're talking 10 or 20 messages, but not if it is in the hundreds, and especially not if some of them complain. I think it would be nice to have a feature where users can actually enable a check box in their profile "I wish to be contacted by other mappers in my area about mapping events or other things of relevance", and then an interface where you can simply draw a bounding box and say "send this message to all mappers in this box who have the checkbox ticked". But as long as we don't have that, we don't normally mass-email mappers. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] mass mailing osm mappers
yes, i want this function as well! On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Robin Paulson wrote: > i'm interested in the following from a technical and social > perspective: as part of the LINZ import, some members of osm in NZ are > about to add a lot of data to NZ. we've already had a number of > mappers contact us concerned we are about to write over their data > (which incidentally, won't happen) > > we would like to make as many NZ mappers aware of the import as > possible, firstly to reduce these concerns, and to stop the potential > outfux of NZ mappers who see themselves being replaced by bots and > scripts. also, it would of course be beneficial to include more people > in what we are doing > > are there any issues with mass contacting either (a) everyone who has > set their location as in NZ, or (b) everyone who has made an edit > within NZ? is there an AUP for osm which forbids this? > > and if not, is it possible to do this programmatically either through > the wiki mail or the osm mailer? > > cheers > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] mass mailing osm mappers
i'm interested in the following from a technical and social perspective: as part of the LINZ import, some members of osm in NZ are about to add a lot of data to NZ. we've already had a number of mappers contact us concerned we are about to write over their data (which incidentally, won't happen) we would like to make as many NZ mappers aware of the import as possible, firstly to reduce these concerns, and to stop the potential outfux of NZ mappers who see themselves being replaced by bots and scripts. also, it would of course be beneficial to include more people in what we are doing are there any issues with mass contacting either (a) everyone who has set their location as in NZ, or (b) everyone who has made an edit within NZ? is there an AUP for osm which forbids this? and if not, is it possible to do this programmatically either through the wiki mail or the osm mailer? cheers ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] FYI: correspondence with wikiloc
Hi Jordi, It's great to hear that others has heard from you. The gpsies.com website that currently donates a whole lot of GPX tracks is http://www.openstreetmap.org/stats/data_stats.html http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/GPSies_com They do so by after uploading a track (a gpx file with 1 track in it), then go in to the tracks details when refining the track... http://www.gpsies.com/upload.do There is an option between "Altitude Range" and "Description" to submit to OpenStreetMap, as a 'Default:User or a Specific user, and a check box to agree to the terms of use' that links to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ I hope that helps. Sorry, i dont know how to implement that same thing. AFAIK bikemap.net (and it's sister websites) doesnt do this yet, nor does everytrail.com, so your site could get the advantage. as it's much simpler to use, and with no Adds. Awesome! Hopefully, there are some programmers who are able to help you out with this. I would think that it would be a notice when users log in, that their is a new option available to users. The rest is up to the users to decide. And oh ya, thanks for showing the OSM layers of Opencyclemap and the mapnik layer of OSM, it really help with route planning / track sharing, it's still on my list to share my route segments. :) Cheers, Sam Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans OpenStreetMap IRC: http://irc.openstreetmap.org @Acrosscanadatrails On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Roman Neumüller wrote: > This is a correspondence I got into with Jordi from wikiloc.com > > --- Forwarded message --- > From: "Jordi Ramot" > To: "Roman Neumüller" > Cc: > Subject: Re: Wikiloc - User Feedback > Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 18:34:18 +0300 > > Hi Roman, I cannot say ok since trails in wikiloc are creations of each > user > and I think it wouldn't be fair to reproduce and mix them externally > without > showing explicit attribution on OSM maps. > > I've been thinking hard in how this could be done properly and a > possibility > would be to let wikiloc users to set the privacy of each trail as > "private", > "public in wikiloc", "transferable to OSM" etc.. and perhaps even create an > API that OSM could fetch all "transferable to OSM" trails automatically. > I'm > overwhelmed with pending features at this moment but that could definitely > be considered in the future. > > I hope this doesn't affect your work and hope this discussion could end up > in a broader collaboration in the future > > Jordi > > -- > http://www.wikiloc.com/wikiloc/user.do?name=Jordi > wikiloc.com - Trails of the World > > > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Roman Neumüller > wrote: > > > no, not on the map. > > you only see the tags in editors. > > it's a wiki-map we are creating and not a google overlay... > > > > OSM's license is Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 license. > > > > maybe one of your team should create an account and start editing > > his/her home region on osm so that he/she then can tell osm > > under which conditions osm users can use gpx-tracks uploaded to > > wikiloc... - or tell us: no, you cannot use wikiloc-tracks. > > > > Roman > > > > > > Hi Roman, these tags will be explicitly visible to OSM users when they > > see > >> the trails on osm maps? > >> > >> Sent from my pint-sized communication device > >> > >> On 11/05/2010, at 19:57, Roman Neumüller wrote: > >> > >> Hi Jordi, > >>> > >>> this sounds a bit odd to me... > >>> I do not know which agreement you have with google - osm is not using > >>> google in any way. > >>> > >>> Which tags should I add to a way to accomplish your attributions? > >>> > >>> * source=wikiloc.com > >>> * source_url=http://wikiloc.com/wikiloc/view.do?id=894235 > >>> * track_author=http://wikiloc.com/wikiloc/user.do?name=gezenkurt > >>> > >>> Would that be ok? > >>> > >>> Cheers > >>> Roman > >>> > >>> Hi Roman, > > Sorry for being so slow in writing back to you on this. I've been > discussing the situation and it'd be compatible with wikiloc terms > only if > the trails from Wikiloc shown on OSM make explicitly visible the 3 > attributions ( > wikiloc.com, trail page and author's page) to users of OSM. We worked > hard in the agreement with Google Earth to respect this attribution > requirement and you can see it if you open one of Wikiloc trails on > Google > Earth (you'll see clearly that the source is Wikiloc (logo, link), > the trail > page and the trail author's page). > > Hope it helps > > Jordi > > >> I [...] let you know that I added OSM as a base layer > >> last Thursday. You can switch from Google Maps to OSM by clicking > >> at "More Maps" button when visualizing a track in wikiloc. > > Nice :) > > > >> Please if you use some of the GPS tracks in w
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New OSM contributor licensing under ODbL and CC-BY-SA started today
At 04:37 PM 12/05/2010, andrzej zaborowski wrote: >Now saying new contributors have to agree to the CC-By-SA and ODbL is >a little unprecise. I thought that was the case based on the two mail >announcements sent today, but it's the Contributor Terms, not ODbL >based on what Avar reports. I may be picking up the wrong concern here, but let me clarify for general information: Having new contributors agree to both the CC-BY-SA and ODbL allows a transition period with fail-safe. - Right now, CC-BY-SA carries on as usual. The Foundation has the right to license a tiny amount of new contributions under ODbL, but will not do so. - Existing contributors are then asked if they will agree to re-license their data under ODbL. CC-BY-SA carries on as usual. - When enough contributors have agreed, we cut over to licensing the current database under ODbL, (And a static snapshot of the database is also made forever under CC-BY-SA). If for some reason this event never happens, the fail safe is that licensing of all contributions under CC-BY-SA simply continues. Hope that helps. Mike ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New users have to sign up to the ODbL
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 16:22, Grant Slater wrote: > On 12 May 2010 17:18, John Smith wrote: >> On 13 May 2010 01:56, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: >>> You can override it by adjusting the Accept-Language settings in your >>> browser. But how we do language *detection* is a separate from how we >>> should do content delivery once we've done the detection. >> >> That's my point, the language detection may not be 100% accurate, and >> this should be given special consideration on things like the signup >> page etc... >> > > The wording is France-French and Italy-Italian specific. > > http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Contributor_Terms/FR > http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Contributor_Terms/IT Good to have that on the wiki. Is anyone currently working on the "informal guidance" version of those terms? It would be nice if there was a translatable version somewhere (like the /copyright page) so that users that don't understand English, French or Italian legalese would get the gist of what the terms mean. I made an attempt at one on my osm blog[1]. Something short like that which the LWG can agree on would be nice to have. Then we could funnel it through Translatewiki and deploy it one the site. 1. http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/%C3%86var%20Arnfj%C3%B6r%C3%B0%20Bjarmason/diary/10647 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New OSM contributor licensing under ODbL and CC-BY-SA started today
At 04:28 PM 12/05/2010, Tom Hughes wrote:
>On 12/05/10 16:23, Jochen Topf wrote:
>
>>This puts the OSMF in a unique position to undermine the whole project. If
>>somebody subverts the OSMF, he can do whatever he wants with the data. I don't
>>think its a good idea to expose the OSMF to even the possibility of that
>>happening. The whole point of the license is to give *nobody* a way to make
>>the once open data not open anymore. With the IMDB and the CDDB we have two
>>examples where this exact thing went bad. Not somebody coming from the outside
>>taking the data and making it proprietary, but somebody from the inside.
>
>Did you read the next paragraph which constrains what they can do with it?
>
>Yes, it is a bit weird to say "we'll have everything" and then in the next
>paragraph "but we'll only do this with it".
>
>Tom
If I changed that slightly to "we'll have all the bits" ("Content" or each
individual node/way) and "but we'll only do this with the whole thing (the
database) with some room for change in the future within the confines of being
free and open", I hope it makes more sense. I've just replied to Jochen with
why it is as it is.
Mike
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Re: [OSM-talk] New users have to sign up to the ODbL
On 12 May 2010 17:18, John Smith wrote: > On 13 May 2010 01:56, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: >> You can override it by adjusting the Accept-Language settings in your >> browser. But how we do language *detection* is a separate from how we >> should do content delivery once we've done the detection. > > That's my point, the language detection may not be 100% accurate, and > this should be given special consideration on things like the signup > page etc... > The wording is France-French and Italy-Italian specific. http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Contributor_Terms/FR http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Contributor_Terms/IT / Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New users have to sign up to the ODbL
On 13 May 2010 01:56, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > You can override it by adjusting the Accept-Language settings in your > browser. But how we do language *detection* is a separate from how we > should do content delivery once we've done the detection. That's my point, the language detection may not be 100% accurate, and this should be given special consideration on things like the signup page etc... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [Osmf-talk] New OSM contributor licensing under ODbL and CC-BY-SA started today
At 04:23 PM 12/05/2010, Jochen Topf wrote: >This contains: "You hereby grant to OSMF a worldwide, royalty-free, >non-exclusive, perpetual, irrevocable license to do any act that is restricted >by copyright over anything within the Contents" > >Why is such as blanket license necessary? > >This puts the OSMF in a unique position to undermine the whole project. If >somebody subverts the OSMF, he can do whatever he wants with the data. I don't >think its a good idea to expose the OSMF to even the possibility of that >happening. The whole point of the license is to give *nobody* a way to make >the once open data not open anymore. With the IMDB and the CDDB we have two >examples where this exact thing went bad. Not somebody coming from the outside >taking the data and making it proprietary, but somebody from the inside. Hi Jochen, CDDB was certainly in our minds when we designed this and I understand the concern. In summary, it is not a blanket license as it is a package with the next clause 3. We think we have the Foundation completely locked in and that has been a subject of discussion with legal counsel. Clause three prevents the Foundation from distributing OpenStreetMap data under anything except a free and open license. Even if the Foundation was hijacked and clause 3 removed, it could not apply retroactively, so the Foundation would be clearly in breach of the Terms for all existing contributors as of that date. Here are the main reasons for it being as it is: 1) We are following the basic model proposed by the Open Data Commons. A database can have a license covering the whole database and then separate licensing conditions on extract individual items of content (the "Contents" referred to). For example, a database of photos may be freely distributable, but use of individual photos may have a far more restrictive license. In our case, it makes more sense to place the use conditions (Share Alike, Attribution) on the database itself. Then, end users effectively only have to look at the ODbL rather than worrying that then may be able to use some but not all the data. 2) We wanted to have a defined practical and democratic process for changing the license in the future; this does not exist at the moment. The future may be two years or one hundred. It allows *active contributors* (not the Foundation) freedom to change to another "free and open" license in the future (clause 3) without second guessing what they might need. We've left the definition of "free and open" deliberately open for future mappers to interpret. ... the worst case I can see is that in, say, ten-twenty years, the number of active mappers drops dramatically and allows manipulation. However, I still cannot see "free and open" being stretched to the point where a commercial hijack becomes feasible. The last two sections on http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/We_Are_Changing_The_License also touch on the issue of why the Foundation is involved and trust. Mike ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-talk] FYI: correspondence with wikiloc
This is a correspondence I got into with Jordi from wikiloc.com --- Forwarded message --- From: "Jordi Ramot" To: "Roman Neumüller" Cc: Subject: Re: Wikiloc - User Feedback Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 18:34:18 +0300 Hi Roman, I cannot say ok since trails in wikiloc are creations of each user and I think it wouldn't be fair to reproduce and mix them externally without showing explicit attribution on OSM maps. I've been thinking hard in how this could be done properly and a possibility would be to let wikiloc users to set the privacy of each trail as "private", "public in wikiloc", "transferable to OSM" etc.. and perhaps even create an API that OSM could fetch all "transferable to OSM" trails automatically. I'm overwhelmed with pending features at this moment but that could definitely be considered in the future. I hope this doesn't affect your work and hope this discussion could end up in a broader collaboration in the future Jordi -- http://www.wikiloc.com/wikiloc/user.do?name=Jordi wikiloc.com - Trails of the World On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Roman Neumüller wrote: > no, not on the map. > you only see the tags in editors. > it's a wiki-map we are creating and not a google overlay... > > OSM's license is Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 license. > > maybe one of your team should create an account and start editing > his/her home region on osm so that he/she then can tell osm > under which conditions osm users can use gpx-tracks uploaded to > wikiloc... - or tell us: no, you cannot use wikiloc-tracks. > > Roman > > > Hi Roman, these tags will be explicitly visible to OSM users when they > see >> the trails on osm maps? >> >> Sent from my pint-sized communication device >> >> On 11/05/2010, at 19:57, Roman Neumüller wrote: >> >> Hi Jordi, >>> >>> this sounds a bit odd to me... >>> I do not know which agreement you have with google - osm is not using >>> google in any way. >>> >>> Which tags should I add to a way to accomplish your attributions? >>> >>> * source=wikiloc.com >>> * source_url=http://wikiloc.com/wikiloc/view.do?id=894235 >>> * track_author=http://wikiloc.com/wikiloc/user.do?name=gezenkurt >>> >>> Would that be ok? >>> >>> Cheers >>> Roman >>> >>> Hi Roman, Sorry for being so slow in writing back to you on this. I've been discussing the situation and it'd be compatible with wikiloc terms only if the trails from Wikiloc shown on OSM make explicitly visible the 3 attributions ( wikiloc.com, trail page and author's page) to users of OSM. We worked hard in the agreement with Google Earth to respect this attribution requirement and you can see it if you open one of Wikiloc trails on Google Earth (you'll see clearly that the source is Wikiloc (logo, link), the trail page and the trail author's page). Hope it helps Jordi >> I [...] let you know that I added OSM as a base layer >> last Thursday. You can switch from Google Maps to OSM by clicking >> at "More Maps" button when visualizing a track in wikiloc. > Nice :) > >> Please if you use some of the GPS tracks in wikiloc to map on OSM >> include a visible attribution as specified in the terms of use of >> wikiloc: >> >> "Attribution: When content from Wikiloc is displayed on an external >> site it must include the Wikiloc's logo or name linked to >> http://www.wikiloc.com, a link to the track page (e.g. >> http://www.wikiloc.com/wikiloc/view.do?id=46602) >> and the track author's name linked to his/her personal area at >> wikiloc.com(e.g. 'by –Ross' linked to >> http://www.wikiloc.com/wikiloc/user.do?name=--Ross)" >> >> There's no requirement to be links without the rel='nofollow' as >> long as the source is clear. > > when working with ways we use tags like > >highway=primary; >ref=D-400 >name=Antalya-Mersin Yolu >source=GPS | Yahoo | landsat | survey > > We can freely use other tags like > >source_url=http://www.wikiloc.com/wikiloc/view.do?id=46602 > > Would that be applicable? > > Greetings > Roman ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New users have to sign up to the ODbL
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 15:53, John Smith wrote: > To that point the only language input would have been from browser > headers, while this will be accurate a lot if not most of the time it > won't be accurate 100% of the time and I don't know of any way on the > OSM website to override this until you have created an account. You can override it by adjusting the Accept-Language settings in your browser. But how we do language *detection* is a separate from how we should do content delivery once we've done the detection. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New users have to sign up to the ODbL
On 13 May 2010 01:32, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > No, all labels in the user interface should match the user's language. > Currently it's only in English though because this was rolled out > before we could have a Git -> Translatewiki -> Git cycle. To that point the only language input would have been from browser headers, while this will be accurate a lot if not most of the time it won't be accurate 100% of the time and I don't know of any way on the OSM website to override this until you have created an account. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New OSM contributor licensing under ODbL and CC-BY-SA started today
> On 12/05/10 16:23, Jochen Topf wrote: > >> This puts the OSMF in a unique position to undermine the whole project. If >> somebody subverts the OSMF, he can do whatever he wants with the data. I >> don't >> think its a good idea to expose the OSMF to even the possibility of that >> happening. The whole point of the license is to give *nobody* a way to make >> the once open data not open anymore. With the IMDB and the CDDB we have two >> examples where this exact thing went bad. Not somebody coming from the >> outside >> taking the data and making it proprietary, but somebody from the inside. This is a bit of fail IMHO. On the most "open" side of the discussion (mailing lists) it has been pretty clear that nobody really wants that, and also that the license should allow us to import data created by other people under ODbL possibly derived from OSM. Then I think the LWG kind of reviewed this and decided that it wasn't feasible for some reason but never got back to the mailing lists about it, at least that was my impression. Now saying new contributors have to agree to the CC-By-SA and ODbL is a little unprecise. I thought that was the case based on the two mail announcements sent today, but it's the Contributor Terms, not ODbL based on what Avar reports. Cheers ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New users have to sign up to the ODbL
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 15:29, John Smith wrote: > I would have thought it would have been a good idea to label those > options in French or Italian rather than being allowed to be > translated. No, all labels in the user interface should match the user's language. Currently it's only in English though because this was rolled out before we could have a Git -> Translatewiki -> Git cycle. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New users have to sign up to the ODbL
On 13 May 2010 01:24, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > They're translations. They can be viewed in the rails.git source > files, but I can't find a human readable thing (e.g. on the osmf wiki) > anywhere that has a copy of them. I would have thought it would have been a good idea to label those options in French or Italian rather than being allowed to be translated. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New OSM contributor licensing under ODbL and CC-BY-SA started today
On 12/05/10 16:23, Jochen Topf wrote: > This puts the OSMF in a unique position to undermine the whole project. If > somebody subverts the OSMF, he can do whatever he wants with the data. I don't > think its a good idea to expose the OSMF to even the possibility of that > happening. The whole point of the license is to give *nobody* a way to make > the once open data not open anymore. With the IMDB and the CDDB we have two > examples where this exact thing went bad. Not somebody coming from the outside > taking the data and making it proprietary, but somebody from the inside. Did you read the next paragraph which constrains what they can do with it? Yes, it is a bit weird to say "we'll have everything" and then in the next paragraph "but we'll only do this with it". Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New users have to sign up to the ODbL
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 14:55, John Smith wrote: > On 13 May 2010 00:47, SteveC wrote: >> will take you here: >> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/terms >> >> where essentially you are signing up to the existing CCBYSA plus the ODbL >> (Open Database License). > > To save people creating new accounts, possibly using bogus details, > just to see the new terms, can you post a screen shot or something > similar? Here's one: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/6/6c/Contributor-terms.png ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New users have to sign up to the ODbL
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 15:21, John Smith wrote: > On 13 May 2010 01:19, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: >> Here's one: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/6/6c/Contributor-terms.png > > Is the France/Italy options translations, or different terms? They're translations. They can be viewed in the rails.git source files, but I can't find a human readable thing (e.g. on the osmf wiki) anywhere that has a copy of them. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New users have to sign up to the ODbL
On 13 May 2010 01:19, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > Here's one: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/6/6c/Contributor-terms.png Is the France/Italy options translations, or different terms? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New users have to sign up to the ODbL
On 13 May 2010 00:47, SteveC wrote: > will take you here: > >https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/terms > > where essentially you are signing up to the existing CCBYSA plus the ODbL > (Open Database License). To save people creating new accounts, possibly using bogus details, just to see the new terms, can you post a screen shot or something similar? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New users have to sign up to the ODbL
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 14:47, SteveC wrote: > https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/terms Here's what that says: http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Contributor_Terms ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-legal-talk] New OSM contributor licensing under ODbL and CC-BY-SA started today
I am pleased to announce that we went live today with new contributor terms, for NEW contributors and we already have contributors signed up. OpenStreetMap has NOT yet moved to the new license. A copy of the terms can be viewed here, http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Contributor_Terms . It has not changed since 3rd March. New contributors now agree to allow contributions to published and used under the Open Database License, ODbL 1.0, as well as the existing CC-BY-SA license during a transitional period. The terms are available in English, and, to comply with national law, in French and Italian. If you are the citizen of any other country that requires contracts to be in another specific language, do please let us know. We also welcome and will make available any informal translations to help new and existing contributors. OpenStreetMap has NOT yet moved to the new license. To do this, we need a critical mass of EXISTING contributors to agree to re-license existing contributions. We will start this process soon. I will avoid giving any specific dates as we continue to move ahead cautiously after allowing any reactions to be heard and discussed. Our goal however, is to be well into the process by the start of SOTM 2010 in July. As usual, any comments and questions to le...@osmfoundation.org will be gratefully received. I've revamped a page up at http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/About_The_License_Change to list the final set of legal and explanatory documents and give more information about current status. Mike License Working Group ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-legal-talk] Adding a source to "Our contributors"
Hi, http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright lists a couple of the big contributors. I'm not sure where the limit is, but there's a CC-By-SA source that we've been using in Poland for the last over two years, currently I estmate there must be 2 or 3 million nodes derived from that source in places where OSM didn't have local mappers. Can/should it be added in that section? The note should probably look something like: Poland: contains data from UMP-pcPL maps. Copyright UMP-pcPL contributors. I'd especially like to credit this project because they're a community project very similar in spirit and scope to OSM, mapping since 2001. I expect there are more such sources but all four listed on that page are from English-speaking countries so the communication probably has been better about these sources. Cheers ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-talk] New users have to sign up to the ODbL
After several thousand man years of effort by the License Working Group and a bit of help by TomH, the new contributor terms and license are up and to be agreed to by new users. Signing up here in OSM: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/new will take you here: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/terms where essentially you are signing up to the existing CCBYSA plus the ODbL (Open Database License). This is one step along the long path to moving to the ODbL. For all your fun ODbL needs, check out the wiki page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ODbL Why is this step being taken? Basically, it bounds the problem of moving to a license which actually protects and clarifies the uses of OSMs data. Otherwise, the number of people who have to move grows every day. From now on, it is a bounded problem of only the users before today. Several further steps will need to be taken to actually move to the ODbL. I'd like to thank all those involved in the ODbL and the LWG for all their hard work over the last two or so years in making this small step happen. And, remember, if you have any concerns or objections then they've likely already to have been discussed at the above wiki page(s), or you're welcome to be involved with the change process by joining the legal mailing list and/or joining the LWG calls. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Different tile numbers in MapTiler than other tile sets
On 11 May 2010 14:35, Andy Allan wrote: > I don't know how to fix it for you, but maybe look for an option "(x) > ignore the standards when the standards are wrong" option in MapTiler? I worked around the issue in the end by re-purposing a script[1] to move tiles from TMS to Google format tile names. If anybody else is in a similar situation and wants a copy of the updated script, just give me a shout. [1] http://www.maptiler.org/google-maps-coordinates-tile-bounds-projection/ Cheers, Dan -- Dan Karran d...@karran.net www.dankarran.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
