Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures
Hi, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> Some isolated farms (called stations) are as large as a hamlet. They are >> isolated in terms of tens of kms from their neighbours. Some appear on >> regular >> maps as if they were towns >> I'm sure that the Argentinians and the Americans have similar farms. > > then they should be tagged as place=hamlet, shouldn't they? Is anything as large as a hamlet really a hamlet? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] lazyweb: what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend
jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: > > here is a question from one of my friends, > *what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend?* > any suggestions? Most free : Openmoko. Best market potential : Android Best compromise : Maemo... Except that Nokia has orphaned Maemo. Best hope from my point of view is Meego... But there won't be anything on the market running it for at least a year. I would be most happy with a N900 running Maemo if there was not the nagging knowledge that it is a dead end. So for now I stick with the Android I bought long before the N900 came out - but I'm not quite satisfied with it, in part because it does not feel open at all. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures
On Wed, 19 May 2010, you wrote: > >> But all isolated farms are isolated_dwellings, no ? > > > > No. > > Some isolated farms (called stations) are as large as a hamlet. They are > > isolated in terms of tens of kms from their neighbours. Some appear on > > regular maps as if they were towns > > I'm sure that the Argentinians and the Americans have similar farms. > > then they should be tagged as place=hamlet, shouldn't they? > no, they aren't hamlets, or villages. places which have a place= in Au have official place names on government registers (eg NSW Geographical Names Board) -- Man is the only animal that blushes -- or needs to. -- Mark Twain ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] lazyweb: what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend
On 19 May 2010 10:34, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: > jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: >> >> here is a question from one of my friends, >> *what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend?* >> any suggestions? > > Most free : Openmoko. > Best market potential : Android > Best compromise : Maemo... Except that Nokia has orphaned Maemo. > Best hope from my point of view is Meego... But there won't be anything > on the market running it for at least a year. > > I would be most happy with a N900 running Maemo if there was not the > nagging knowledge that it is a dead end. So for now I stick with the > Android I bought long before the N900 came out - but I'm not quite > satisfied with it, in part because it does not feel open at all. As far as I've understood N900 will be able to run MeeGo when it comes. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Historical Mapping Examples?
Hi All, I'm attending THATCamp this weekend and would like to talk about OpenStreetMap. THATCamp is an unconference specifically related to technology applied to the digital humanities. One area I thought would be of interest would be historical related areas in OpenStreetMap. I was thinking areas with historic value, rather than areas that are mapped and no longer exist. An example near me would be Arlington National Cemetery: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.87964&lon=-77.06507&zoom=16&layers=B000FTFT Anyway if you have an examples along that vein that you think are particularly good please send them along. Thanks, Kate user:wonderchook ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures
2010/5/19 Frederik Ramm : > Hi, > > M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: >>> >>> Some isolated farms (called stations) are as large as a hamlet. They are >>> isolated in terms of tens of kms from their neighbours. Some appear on >>> regular >>> maps as if they were towns >>> I'm sure that the Argentinians and the Americans have similar farms. >> >> then they should be tagged as place=hamlet, shouldn't they? > > Is anything as large as a hamlet really a hamlet? in Germany that would be the definition, given that we're talking about human settlements and not industrial installations. "Large" is about the number of people living there, isn't it? cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Historical Mapping Examples?
On 19 May 2010 12:41, Kate Chapman wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm attending THATCamp this weekend and would like to talk about > OpenStreetMap. THATCamp is an unconference specifically related to > technology applied to the digital humanities. One area I thought > would be of interest would be historical related areas in > OpenStreetMap. I was thinking areas with historic value, rather than > areas that are mapped and no longer exist. > > An example near me would be Arlington National Cemetery: > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.87964&lon=-77.06507&zoom=16&layers=B000FTFT > > Anyway if you have an examples along that vein that you think are > particularly good please send them along. > > I think the Mt Saint Michel in France might be a good example: http://osm.org/go/erms5fnKh-- Emilie Laffray ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures
2010/5/19 Elizabeth Dodd : > On Wed, 19 May 2010, you wrote: >> >> But all isolated farms are isolated_dwellings, no ? >> > >> > No. >> > Some isolated farms (called stations) are as large as a hamlet. They are >> > isolated in terms of tens of kms from their neighbours. Some appear on >> > regular maps as if they were towns >> > I'm sure that the Argentinians and the Americans have similar farms. >> >> then they should be tagged as place=hamlet, shouldn't they? >> > no, they aren't hamlets, or villages. > places which have a place= in Au have official place names on government > registers (eg NSW Geographical Names Board) And the smaller ones don't? In Germany all human settlements (excluding the ones that are not "official" i.e. illegal) are in some government register, be it hamlets or smaller. I guess you would generally have to adopt the criteria for places in AU, we did this in Germany and Italy as well. e.g. 999 inhabitants is far too big for a hamlet in Europe. Towns we are not classifying by population (on the lower end) but by their "status". I guess in AU with it's scarse settlement structure it is necessary to display hamlets also on lower zoom levels in the rendering than we can do in Europe, ... cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Historical Mapping Examples?
Hi Kate, I prefer some of the less obvious examples; Peter's Piece Plantation [1] is mentioned in the book "Notes on the chase of the wild red deer in the counties of Devon and Somerset : with an appendix descriptive of remarkable runs and incidents connected with the chase from the year 1780 to the year 1860" [2] Such an example, I think, really goes against the whole online maps "wiping out history" [3] claim. On a slightly different note, we use OSM to display the location of (most) the archaeological sites we've worked on [4] and our offices [5]. I'd be really interested to see any OSM tweets / results that come out of THATCamp. Cheers, Joseph [1] http://osm.org/go/euLBE0_n-- [2] http://www.archive.org/stream/notesonchaseofwi00coll/notesonchaseofwi00coll_djvu.txt [3] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7586789.stm [4] http://mapdata.thehumanjourney.net/sitemap.html [5] http://mapdata.thehumanjourney.net/office.html On 19 May 2010 12:41, Kate Chapman wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm attending THATCamp this weekend and would like to talk about > OpenStreetMap. THATCamp is an unconference specifically related to > technology applied to the digital humanities. One area I thought > would be of interest would be historical related areas in > OpenStreetMap. I was thinking areas with historic value, rather than > areas that are mapped and no longer exist. > > An example near me would be Arlington National Cemetery: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.87964&lon=-77.06507&zoom=16&layers=B000FTFT > > Anyway if you have an examples along that vein that you think are > particularly good please send them along. > > Thanks, > > Kate > user:wonderchook > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Historical Mapping Examples?
Winchelsea is a good example. It was founded in 1281 when King Edward I ordered the first planned town in England, based on a grid, to be built to replace "Old Winchelsea" which had been destroyed by a series of storms. You can see grid pattern on OSM: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.924870967865&lon=0.710163116455078&zoom=16 Paul Y On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Joseph Reeves wrote: > Hi Kate, > > I prefer some of the less obvious examples; > > Peter's Piece Plantation [1] is mentioned in the book "Notes on the > chase of the wild red deer in the counties of Devon and Somerset : > with an appendix descriptive of remarkable runs and incidents > connected with the chase from the year 1780 to the year 1860" [2] Such > an example, I think, really goes against the whole online maps "wiping > out history" [3] claim. > > On a slightly different note, we use OSM to display the location of > (most) the archaeological sites we've worked on [4] and our offices > [5]. > > I'd be really interested to see any OSM tweets / results that come out > of THATCamp. > > Cheers, Joseph > > > [1] http://osm.org/go/euLBE0_n-- > [2] > http://www.archive.org/stream/notesonchaseofwi00coll/notesonchaseofwi00coll_djvu.txt > [3] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7586789.stm > [4] http://mapdata.thehumanjourney.net/sitemap.html > [5] http://mapdata.thehumanjourney.net/office.html > > > > On 19 May 2010 12:41, Kate Chapman wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> I'm attending THATCamp this weekend and would like to talk about >> OpenStreetMap. THATCamp is an unconference specifically related to >> technology applied to the digital humanities. One area I thought >> would be of interest would be historical related areas in >> OpenStreetMap. I was thinking areas with historic value, rather than >> areas that are mapped and no longer exist. >> >> An example near me would be Arlington National Cemetery: >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.87964&lon=-77.06507&zoom=16&layers=B000FTFT >> >> Anyway if you have an examples along that vein that you think are >> particularly good please send them along. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Kate >> user:wonderchook >> >> ___ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- Mob (uk): +44(0) 7814 517 807 Mob (es): +34 651 597 610 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Historical Mapping Examples?
Hi Kate, First, I thought, "Oh, easy, Pompeii[1] and Tsuruga castle[2]. You must see the fantastic Tsuruga castle video by Kinya Inoue[3]" and then I thought, ... umm. There should be a list somewhere? Oh yeah! Best of OSM![4] So, you'll find more there that you will enjoy. We should also remember to submit our mapping work to Best of OSM if we have done something interesting. Best regards, Richard [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.75121&lon=14.487&zoom=15&layers=B000FTF [2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.48754&lon=139.93063&zoom=17&layers=B000FTF [3] http://www.vimeo.com/5594110 [4] http://bestofosm.org/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Google/OnStar/GM integration in the Volt
Interesting article, they are putting way too much in this car: http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/OnStar-Mobile-for-Android/?kc=rss So the paranoid in me worries that not only does OnStar track your every move, you are also a remote drone for Google ;-) It's also moderately concerning when you combine this with a recent report about how it is totally possible to 'Pown' all of the car's system through a device connected with the low-speed CAN bus; even to the point of locking individual wheels at speed, turning off head lights and giving false speedo readings. http://www.autosec.org/pubs/cars-oakland2010.pdf Simon. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] Proposed human readable contributor terms
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 16:42, Mike Collinson wrote: > Great idea, thanks for taking the initiative on this. I had a go with your > text and the underlying ideas we used to construct the terms below. Great, any idea about what timeframe we might be looking at for rollout of it on the signup form? > Summary of OpenStreetMap Contributor Terms: > - There's a lot I like about it, including that it's using bullet points. Those are easier to wade through. And easier to translate. > - Don't put in copyrighted data. It should either be your own work or > something that there is clear permission to use. Perhaps just talk about "data you don't have permission to submit" or something like that. Let's not propagate the copyrighted != non-free misunderstanding. > - You still own the bits of data you put in, i.e. you can still use them in > other places. > > - You allow the OpenStreetMap Foundation to publish your bits of data as > part of the OpenStreetMap geodata database for others to use. > > - The OpenStreetMap Foundation can only publish the data under a free and > open license. If it fails in that, it has broken a contract with you. Actually, aside from these terms is "free and open license" defined anywhere as the OSMF is using it? Some define it as "licenses approved be the OSI + FSF, but that's obviously not true in our case. > - Until the proposed change-over, that license is the CC BY SA 2.0. When > enough existing contributors agree to re-license their data, that license > will change to Open Database License 1.0. > > - The OpenStreetMap Foundation can only pick a new free license if it's > approved by the OSMF membership (a foundation of paid-up members) and a 2/3 > majority vote of active contributors. You'll be considered an active > contributor if you've edited in at least 3 out of the last 12 months and > don't take longer than 3 weeks to reply to E-Mail. > > - If you want attribution you should add your name to the Contributors page. > > - To the maximum extent possible, neither you nor the OpenStreetMap > Foundation are responsible for anything that might happen to folks using > your data. FWIW I left this bit out, I don't see whe warranty footnotes need to be in the summary, but perhaps the legally inclined disagree. > This is only a summary and is not legally binding. The full text can be > found at http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Contributor_Terms ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] Proposed human readable contributor terms
On 19 May 2010 19:14, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 16:42, Mike Collinson wrote: >> - Don't put in copyrighted data. It should either be your own work or >> something that there is clear permission to use. > > Perhaps just talk about "data you don't have permission to submit" or > something like that. Let's not propagate the copyrighted != non-free > misunderstanding. (I'm clueless about copyright and law so maybe the following is completely crazy, but these things have bothered me) I think this point needs to be decided, it sounds like it's a grey area now. Can you submit copyrighted data if you agreed to the new Contributor Terms, even if it's under a free license? Since you have to grant copyright to OSMF, it may be that you can't. This raises the question if we think that factual data can be copyrighted or not, and if we want to be consistent in that thinking, or should we always assume the pessimistic interpretation to be on the safe side. If it can be copyrighted, can this have the following consequences? * it may be that you can't submit data traced from non-public domain imagery (such as OS) if you're a new user. * it may be that you can't edit existing data in OSM because it's licensed CC-By-SA, and edits are usually derived from it (there can be modifications that are not derived, but they don't make much sense). So maybe the relicensing of existing data should have happened before new contributors can edit. (apart from the point that it may be useless for them to make edits if the whole element later gets removed if the original contributor doesn't/can't agree to relicense... maybe there should be a big fat warning) If data can't be copyrighted, then: * asking contributors to relicense is just a courtesy? (they may still need to grant their database rights but not the copyright, so then there's no problem with Australian administrative boundaries and other CC-By-SA sources we used?) Cheers ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] Proposed human readable contributor terms
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 2:14 PM, andrzej zaborowski wrote: > Can you submit copyrighted data if you agreed to the new > Contributor Terms, even if it's under a free license? > Obviously only if it's a free license which is compatible with DbCL. That probably includes CC0 and not much else. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] Proposed human readable contributor terms
Comments in-line. At 06:14 PM 19/05/2010, Ãvar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: >On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 16:42, Mike Collinson wrote: >> Great idea, thanks for taking the initiative on this. I had a go with your >> text and the underlying ideas we used to construct the terms below. > >Great, any idea about what timeframe we might be looking at for >rollout of it on the signup form? I will dodge that question until we have had legal review on a draft that everyone is reasonably happy with but I promise to push it forward. >> Summary of OpenStreetMap Contributor Terms: >> - > >There's a lot I like about it, including that it's using bullet >points. Those are easier to wade through. And easier to translate. > >> - Don't put in copyrighted data. It should either be your own work or >> something that there is clear permission to use. > >Perhaps just talk about "data you don't have permission to submit" or >something like that. Let's not propagate the copyrighted != non-free >misunderstanding. Good point. I've changed http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Contributor_Terms_Summary >> - You still own the bits of data you put in, i.e. you can still use them in >> other places. >> >> - You allow the OpenStreetMap Foundation to publish your bits of data as >> part of the OpenStreetMap geodata database for others to use. >> >> - The OpenStreetMap Foundation can only publish the data under a free and >> open license. If it fails in that, it has broken a contract with you. > >Actually, aside from these terms is "free and open license" defined >anywhere as the OSMF is using it? Some define it as "licenses approved >be the OSI + FSF, but that's obviously not true in our case. It is deliberately not defined. The reasoning is that it is clear when a license is NOT "free and open" (which is what we really, really want to avoid), but we will all have ideas about what IS a "free and open" license. That will promote healthy debate and will change over time. It is up to future generations of mappers, not us here and now ... and certainly not by that dd License Working Group. >> - Until the proposed change-over, that license is the CC BY SA 2.0. When >> enough existing contributors agree to re-license their data, that license >> will change to Open Database License 1.0. >> >> - The OpenStreetMap Foundation can only pick a new free license if it's >> approved by the OSMF membership (a foundation of paid-up members) and a 2/3 >> majority vote of active contributors. You'll be considered an active >> contributor if you've edited in at least 3 out of the last 12 months and >> don't take longer than 3 weeks to reply to E-Mail. >> >> - If you want attribution you should add your name to the Contributors page. >> >> - To the maximum extent possible, neither you nor the OpenStreetMap >> Foundation are responsible for anything that might happen to folks using >> your data. > >FWIW I left this bit out, I don't see whe warranty footnotes need to >be in the summary, but perhaps the legally inclined disagree. Not critical, but I think it is worth reassuring new contributors that the language protects them rather than the reverse. >> This is only a summary and is not legally binding. The full text can be >> found at http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Contributor_Terms Mike License Working Group ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 9:11 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/5/19 Elizabeth Dodd : >> On Wed, 19 May 2010, you wrote: >>> >> But all isolated farms are isolated_dwellings, no ? >>> > >>> > No. >>> > Some isolated farms (called stations) are as large as a hamlet. They are >>> > isolated in terms of tens of kms from their neighbours. Some appear on >>> > regular maps as if they were towns >>> > I'm sure that the Argentinians and the Americans have similar farms. >>> >>> then they should be tagged as place=hamlet, shouldn't they? >>> >> no, they aren't hamlets, or villages. >> places which have a place= in Au have official place names on government >> registers (eg NSW Geographical Names Board) > > > And the smaller ones don't? In Germany all human settlements > (excluding the ones that are not "official" i.e. illegal) are in some > government register, be it hamlets or smaller. > > I guess you would generally have to adopt the criteria for places in > AU, we did this in Germany and Italy as well. e.g. 999 inhabitants is > far too big for a hamlet in Europe. Towns we are not classifying by > population (on the lower end) but by their "status". I guess in AU > with it's scarse settlement structure it is necessary to display > hamlets also on lower zoom levels in the rendering than we can do in > Europe, ... > How to tag Norwegian named farms making part of a "grend" which I would have tagged as hamlet? They are not isolated dwellings as they are not isolated, just parts of the larger unit. How to tag Brazillian Fazendas, they are farms that can consits of as many as 20 buildings, with living barracks for season workers and factory like buildings for pre-processing of their harvests. How to tag Brazillian Sitios, they are small farms or groups of houses, usually very isolated. For the first I would use place=farm on the named farms, making them part of place=hamlet The second I would call place=farm, they are not hamlets as often only one familly live there permanently, though there can be more than 100 workers in the harvest seasons The third I could call place=isolated_dwelling, though place=locality have fallen for me as completely natural. A[] > cheers, > Martin > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Flash and open source
On 15 May 2010 13:59, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: >> Adobe has explicitly said in the past that they can't open source it >> because they've used a lot of parts in in that they've licensed from >> somewhere else. > > http://www.adobe.com/de/products/eula/third_party/flashplayer/ > > Pretty much all the "all rights reserved" stuff is codecs. Like I say, > video is moving to HTML5 anyway and shouldn't distract from the wider > Flash Player. On a related note Google,Mozilla and Opera have joined to announce[1] a new open video format called webm [2]. It’s licensed using a BSD-style license. “WebM and the codecs it supports (VP8 video and Vorbis audio) require no royalty payments of any kind. Chromium, Firefox, and Opera builds are available today[3]. Chrome builds will shortly follow. No statement yet from Microsoft or Apple regarding support in their platforms. 1.http://webmproject.blogspot.com/2010/05/introducing-webm-open-web-media-project.html 2. http://www.webmproject.org/about/ 3. http://www.webmproject.org/users/ Regards, Pavithran -- pavithran sakamuri http://look-pavi.blogspot.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures
On 19 May 2010 22:11, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I guess you would generally have to adopt the criteria for places in > AU, we did this in Germany and Italy as well. e.g. 999 inhabitants is > far too big for a hamlet in Europe. Towns we are not classifying by > population (on the lower end) but by their "status". I guess in AU We do something similar, some remote towns have been classified as cities to make them render sooner not due to populations, but due to importance to the regional importance to areas, although some of these places call themselves cities, but that's more ego than anything. I was at one point going to suggest place=regional_centre instead of using place=city but that was more or less when I started and never got back to it. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] SotM 2010 schedule published - looks great.
I know that you have been waiting to see the schedule for State of the Map 2010. And now I know that you will love it. The SotM team has done a spectacular job of soliciting and acquiring a great line-up of speakers and topics. You will want to buy your ticket and book your trip now. http://stateofthemap.org/register-now/ Day One: Business and Workshop Day Friday http://stateofthemap.org/schedules/friday/ Day Two: Community, Tech, Quality and Scholarship Tracks Saturday http://stateofthemap.org/schedules/saturday/ Day Three: Tools, Imports, Humanitarian and Cartography Tracks Sunday http://stateofthemap.org/schedules/sunday ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Historical Mapping Examples?
Hi Kate. I run the Muninn Project (http://blog.muninn-project.org/) which extracts data from First World War scanned archives. I've been lurking on the mailing list for a while now to get some background before asking about this very topic, but you beat me to it. Would anyone be interested in creating "Open Trench Map - 1918 Edition"? Historical mapping has some problems that are a bit different from conventional mapping in that 1) everything is a timestamp and 2) research people care very much about the data being 'wrong'. So, besides the fact that trenches keep getting moved, bombed, renamed and worked on as the front moves back and forth, the maps also reflect what people *think* is happening on the other side. So we get a German map of British trenches, a Canadian map of German trenches and the differences between what is happening and what people think is happening are of great historical value. Unsuprisingly, sometimes different maps from the same army at the same time don't match up. We have a lot of geo data that can be used to track individual soldiers on the map over the course of the war too, down to which trenches they were in. I spend most of my time on data extraction, but I think historical mapping is something that needs to be worked on. I'd be interested in setting up an informal working group or exchange, please feel free to write me off or on-list. best, rhw > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 07:41:06 -0400 > From: Kate Chapman > Subject: [OSM-talk] Historical Mapping Examples? > To: osm > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi All, > > I'm attending THATCamp this weekend and would like to talk about > OpenStreetMap. THATCamp is an unconference specifically related to > technology applied to the digital humanities. One area I thought > would be of interest would be historical related areas in > OpenStreetMap. I was thinking areas with historic value, rather than > areas that are mapped and no longer exist. > > An example near me would be Arlington National Cemetery: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.87964&lon=-77.06507&zoom=16&layers=B000FTFT > > Anyway if you have an examples along that vein that you think are > particularly good please send them along. > > Thanks, > > Kate > user:wonderchook ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Historical Mapping Examples?
On 20 May 2010 08:02, Rob Warren wrote: > Historical mapping has some problems that are a bit different from > conventional mapping in that 1) everything is a timestamp and 2) research > people care very much about the data being 'wrong'. While it would be nice for the OSM APIs to natively support downloading data based on time frames, you could do something similar with JOSM by slightly extending it's current filtering options to include the ability to filter based on a time frame, in the mean time the tags you are looking for is: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:start_date http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:end_date ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Historical Mapping Examples?
i have mapped some trails through the antietam national battlefield, http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.47959&lon=-77.73945&zoom=15&layers=B000FTF the upper trail is the Cornfield Trail, and the bottom edge is the Bloody Lane Trail. and here, further south, is the "Union Advance Trail": http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.45295&lon=-77.73383&zoom=16&layers=B000FTF the work isn't complete, but i wasn't there long enough to cover them all, plus the 13 year old and her mother were somewhat intolerant of my goal to hike and map all the trails. i've also experimented with mapping defunct race tracks, for example the old Pine Bowl Speedway south of Troy, NY was located here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.66732&lon=-73.60079&zoom=16&layers=0B00FTF mapnik doesn't render it by default, but osmarender does. someday i'll do something with mapping the various courses that served the Watkins Glen Grand Prix starting in 1948 richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] closedstreetmap.org
If anyone wants the above domain name, let me know as it expires in a month. Yours &c. Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] closedstreetmap.org
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 20-05-10 02:04, SteveC schreef: > If anyone wants the above domain name, let me know as it expires in a month. I'll forward it to my accountmanager at TeleAtlas. Stefan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.15 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEAREKAAYFAkv0iCcACgkQYH1+F2Rqwn0ILQCfQ85da363rVx6Lc3sNSlFhIXM LZEAoITLjgiRVdHg9YxXgsuHt24Kdinx =TBWQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] volcano craters in auckland - possibly out of copyright map
i found a map on wikipedia from 1859, which i would assume makes it out of copyright and thus far game for copying data into osm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AucklandMapHochstetter1859.JPG if so, what would be the best way to view it as an underlay, for adding volcanoes to the map database? cheers ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] volcano craters in auckland - possibly out of copyright map
On 20 May 2010 16:57, Robin Paulson wrote: > i found a map on wikipedia from 1859, which i would assume makes it > out of copyright and thus far game for copying data into osm Fairly safe, in NZ copyright lasts until 50 years after the death of the author. [1] You're probably even safer given that the Berne Convention (that established copyright) was only signed in 1886.[2] Tim [1] http://legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1994/0143/latest/DLM345932.html#DLM345932 [2] http://wipo.int/treaties/en/ip/berne/summary_berne.html ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
