[Talk-transit] Public transport on the main OSM page
Hello list, For my efforts mapping public transportation routes in Milan, I have up to now relied on Öpnvkarte to look at the data I entered and occasionally look up the best way to get around town. In the meantime the situation has changed: Öpnvkarte hasn't been updated since early September; a similar service at latlon.org has discontinued coverage for Western Europe (they seem to have limited themselves to Belorussia, Russia and maybe some of their neighbors) and the third player in the field, OSM Transport, comes with disadvantages (slow to load, slow to update, less nice to use and not open-source). Couldn't we do something similar right on the OSM homepage, running on OSM infrastructure? The advantages would be: - Easy switching between normal and public transport view (just a matter of switching base layers) - Only one URL to remember - Uses most recent data (if directly connected to live OSM database) - Standard OSM tools available (for instance, exporting the map as PDF) - Could be a killer app for OSM (until now this information is available only for single networks from their respective transport companies, if at all; OSM would be the first to do this for the whole world) Following the iterative approach with which OSM was and is being built, here's how it could be implemented: Step 1: Add the new map view Create a new Mapnik style sheet with routes and numbers overlaid on it. I would suggest the familiar Mapnik view but in black and white (at the most I would color some landuses), possibly reducing the number of POIs if the map gets too cluttered. All stop names would be shown; routes and their numbers would be drawn in color on top of everything else. This would preserve all information but make public transport data stand out. This should be fairly easy, it would take a second Mapnik style sheet and possibly some post-processing to render the routes. The database is already there; all rendering-related effort I would expect to roughly double as every tile would get rendered twice (once per style). Not sure about the effort to run Mapnik with two different styles. Step 2: Add stop information Add a new overlay, which makes all stops clickable. Clicking on a stop opens a bubble with information on it, such as name and lines stopping there. This would require some extra coding, but most of the work has been done already (e.g. OpenStreetBugs, which has an overlay for clickable bugs). Some extra post-processing will probably be needed on the data in order to group nearby stops belonging together (take Munich's central station, which consists of one light railway stop, two subway stops, three tram stops and a couple of bus stops): that way the user just needs to click the station and gets a popup with all the light railway, subway, tram and bus lines. Öpnvkarte already does this, so it's not impossible. Step 2a: Line sketches In the popup for each stop, clicking the line number opens a new window with a sketch of the line. Probably easy play: Sketch Line from OSM Server Scripts [1] (example [2]) already does an excellent job at this; just the choice of colors may need some tweaking. The only problem is that the output is in SVG format, which not all browsers out in the field handle well: we may need to convert that into a bitmap on the fly. Step 3: Extensions Up to the imagination of the community: For example, if one day we add routing to the OSM page, we could extend that to finding a public transport connection. Taking Milan as an example, step 2a would already put us ahead of what Google has to offer today: Transit is not available for Milan yet, bus stops are missing completely on the map, the location of subway stops is approximate at best and the network data seems to be out of date. Now here's the catch: While I am ready to contribute to such an effort, I cannot do it alone - my knowledge of the OSM infrastructure is generic at best. Is there anyone out there who: - knows how to get started in order to get new items on the main OSM page, in terms of both technology and who to talk to? - is willing to participate in such an effort? Any input is greatly appreciated. Michael [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Server_Side_Script [2] http://78.46.81.38/api/sketch-line?network=SITAMref=19style=padua ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Public transport on the main OSM page
Hello list http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Inspector provides a similar view (Public Transport Network) like ÖPVN-Karte. Teddych ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Public transport on the main OSM page
On 23 November 2010 22:07, Michael von Glasow mich...@vonglasow.comwrote: Now here's the catch: While I am ready to contribute to such an effort, I cannot do it alone - my knowledge of the OSM infrastructure is generic at best. Is there anyone out there who: - knows how to get started in order to get new items on the main OSM page, in terms of both technology and who to talk to? - is willing to participate in such an effort? Dear Michael, I really support your idea and would like to contribute. There are two ways to proceed: - like you said, this could be added to the default OSM map as a layer. To ask for such a feature, we should create a ticket on the OSM trac: http://trac.openstreetmap.org , perhaps on the mapnik component ? - we could provide Transiki with these ideas. This default, simple map could be the first step of this initiative, allowing us to move further by inputting the schedules in the next steps. We could also ask the creators of openbusmap if they would agree to open their code. Regards Sébastien ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Public transport on the main OSM page
2010/11/23 Michael von Glasow mich...@vonglasow.com Hello list, For my efforts mapping public transportation routes in Milan, I have up to now relied on Öpnvkarte to look at the data I entered and occasionally look up the best way to get around town. In the meantime the situation has changed: Öpnvkarte hasn't been updated since early September; a similar service at latlon.org has discontinued coverage for Western Europe (they seem to have limited themselves to Belorussia, Russia and maybe some of their neighbors) and the third player in the field, OSM Transport, comes with disadvantages (slow to load, slow to update, less nice to use and not open-source). Couldn't we do something similar right on the OSM homepage, running on OSM infrastructure? The advantages would be: - Easy switching between normal and public transport view (just a matter of switching base layers) - Only one URL to remember - Uses most recent data (if directly connected to live OSM database) - Standard OSM tools available (for instance, exporting the map as PDF) - Could be a killer app for OSM (until now this information is available only for single networks from their respective transport companies, if at all; OSM would be the first to do this for the whole world) Following the iterative approach with which OSM was and is being built, here's how it could be implemented: Step 1: Add the new map view Create a new Mapnik style sheet with routes and numbers overlaid on it. I would suggest the familiar Mapnik view but in black and white (at the most I would color some landuses), possibly reducing the number of POIs if the map gets too cluttered. All stop names would be shown; routes and their numbers would be drawn in color on top of everything else. This would preserve all information but make public transport data stand out. This should be fairly easy, it would take a second Mapnik style sheet and possibly some post-processing to render the routes. The database is already there; all rendering-related effort I would expect to roughly double as every tile would get rendered twice (once per style). Not sure about the effort to run Mapnik with two different styles. This woudn't cause mapnik to render double. I believe mapnik only renders when a tile is visited and changed, or after a longer period. As long as nobody visits the tile, it wouldn't be rendered for a long while. On the other hand, maybe mapnik could render both styles while the info needed is still in the RAM and not on the main disks, but I don't know what costs the most time: loading data from HDD to RAM or processing the data. Step 2: Add stop information Add a new overlay, which makes all stops clickable. Clicking on a stop opens a bubble with information on it, such as name and lines stopping there. This would require some extra coding, but most of the work has been done already (e.g. OpenStreetBugs, which has an overlay for clickable bugs). Some extra post-processing will probably be needed on the data in order to group nearby stops belonging together (take Munich's central station, which consists of one light railway stop, two subway stops, three tram stops and a couple of bus stops): that way the user just needs to click the station and gets a popup with all the light railway, subway, tram and bus lines. Öpnvkarte already does this, so it's not impossible. Step 2a: Line sketches In the popup for each stop, clicking the line number opens a new window with a sketch of the line. Probably easy play: Sketch Line from OSM Server Scripts [1] (example [2]) already does an excellent job at this; just the choice of colors may need some tweaking. The only problem is that the output is in SVG format, which not all browsers out in the field handle well: we may need to convert that into a bitmap on the fly. I believe most power users don't use a ie browser. So if they are not power users, the extra clicks to download and view it are small. So converting it is not really needed. Step 3: Extensions Up to the imagination of the community: For example, if one day we add routing to the OSM page, we could extend that to finding a public transport connection. A project that could help in the future with routing: transikihttp://www.transiki.org/it's still in alpha stadium, but if it gets of the ground, it might be wurth implementing it in OSM. (in both ways: transiki giving data to OSM for routing and OSM having a dialog to input data in Transiki.) Taking Milan as an example, step 2a would already put us ahead of what Google has to offer today: Transit is not available for Milan yet, bus stops are missing completely on the map, the location of subway stops is approximate at best and the network data seems to be out of date. Now here's the catch: While I am ready to contribute to such an effort, I cannot do it alone - my knowledge of the OSM infrastructure is generic at best. Is there anyone out
[Talk-hr] Bing aerial map i openstreetmap
Super novost! http://blog.stevecoast.com/im-working-at-microsoft-and-were-donating-ima -- Aleksandar Topuzovic aleksandar.topuzo...@gmail.com http://atopuzovic.dyndns.org ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
[talk-ph] Microsoft is letting OpenStreetMap trace from their aerial imagery!!!
Read it from the blog of Steve Coast, who have joined Microsoft's Bing Maps division: http://blog.stevecoast.com/im-working-at-microsoft-and-were-donating-ima Relevant quote: Microsoft is donating access to it's global orthorectified aerial imagery to help OpenStreetMappers make the map even better than it already is. Microsoft has vastly more and newer satellite imagery than Yahoo! has. This will certainly drastically increase the data in OSMPH. :-D ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Microsoft is letting OpenStreetMap trace from their aerial imagery!!!
Yay! Cebu here we come! On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 7:50 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Here'e an announcement from the Bing Maps Blog: http://www.bing.com/community/site_blogs/b/maps/archive/2010/11/23/bing-engages-open-maps-community.aspx On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 1:25 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Read it from the blog of Steve Coast, who have joined Microsoft's Bing Maps division: http://blog.stevecoast.com/im-working-at-microsoft-and-were-donating-ima Relevant quote: Microsoft is donating access to it's global orthorectified aerial imagery to help OpenStreetMappers make the map even better than it already is. Microsoft has vastly more and newer satellite imagery than Yahoo! has. This will certainly drastically increase the data in OSMPH. :-D -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] wiki list of bing imagery coverage (Re: [OSM-talk] Steve Coast Joins Microsoft as Principle Architect of Bing Mobile)
Maning, I think it is Agus River, not Agno River. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agus_River (I was born in Maria Cristina, near Maria Cristina Falls). Iligan down to the northern shore of Lake Lanao (almost all of Agno River is covered) Thanks. Noli On 11/24/10, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: I started the list: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bing/Coverage On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 8:42 AM, Chris Browet c...@semperpax.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 18:06, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: http://opengeodata.org/openstreetmap-founder-steve-coast-joins-bing http://blog.stevecoast.com/im-working-at-microsoft-and-were-donating-ima Do we take bets on the time before the first article/blog comes out saying that OSM belongs to Microsoft ;-) ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[OSM-talk-be] Daniel Kral on public transport optimization systems
Nu werd er niet zoveel over gezegd, maar ik was toevallig aan het luisteren: 9880 khz, 12h45. http://www.radio.cz/en/section/science-journal/science-journal-2010-11-21 Mocht je het niet weten, De Lijn gebruikt http://giro.ca http://giro.ca/en/products/hastus/index.htm (ook de post voor GEOROUTE) Hier past ook de link naar Openstreetmap research, geen enkele Belg? Enfin, ik deed geen research meer oa nadat ze ons verplichten dos te gebruiken (1991, en in alle ministeries)... http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Research CITAAT: What other kinds of problems? “Whatever they need, they are pretty much applied, much more applied than our department is focused much more on basic research, which is more fundamental, and we are interested in all kind of problems of optimisation. For instance finding a shortest route, a cheapest solution, the optimal schedule for trains or buses, to optimise the number of kilometres the buses have to run while keeping the passengers happy that the bus is running on time.” I’ve always thought it must be a hell of a job putting together the tram and bus schedules in Prague to make everything run so smoothly. So there are people working on them from a mathematical perspective? “I’m not aware of mathematicians working for the Prague transit system, I know there is a group in ¨Germany with which we are in touch, and they have been pretty good at selling their solutions to companies optimising transportation in Berlin, in Munich, and in other German cities. Unfortunately in the Czech Republic we haven’t managed to sell our mathematics to these kinds of companies. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] uitleg
ok merci voor info en tips :), heb dyslectie :p ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[OSM-talk-be] Access to your Garmin via web / java application?
Hello, Could be interesting for OSM developers that hand out Garmin maps: this seems to allow connections to Garmin gpsses: http://developer.garmin.com/web-device/garmin-communicator-plugin/ Marc -- What's on Shortwave guide: choose an hour, go! http://shortwave.tk 700+ Radio Stations on SW http://swstations.tk 300+ languages on SW http://radiolanguages.tk ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Database and its contents (was: Best license for future tiles?)
Grant Slater openstreet...@... writes: The relationship between ODbL and DbCL is not very clear and I'm not convinced that lawyers really understand the distinction between a database and it's content. Database definition as per the ODbL (definition modelled on EU Database Directive 96/9/EC): “Database” – A collection of material (the Contents) arranged in a systematic or methodical way and individually accessible by electronic or other means offered under the terms of this License. That would apply to anything created from OSM, wouldn't it? Even a printed map is certainly arranged in a systematic and methodical way. Anything substantial is governed by the ODbL otherwise DbCL. See the guideline on substantial here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Substantial_-_Guideline Thanks, this is something concrete. Less than 100 features - you're in the clear. More than that (with some exceptions) - considered substantial and must be produced under ODbL. I still don't quite get what the 'contents' are, though, and how some 'contents' can ever be considered in isolation from the 'database' that holds them. Even if you extract only half a square mile of the map you still have a database, albeit a smaller one. Even if you only want a list of all coffee shops you still have a database. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Database and its contents
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: Rob Myers r...@... writes: I work with databases every day and I don't understand how the 'database' versus 'contents' distinction is meant to apply to maps and to OSM in particular. Imagine a database of names, song titles, photographs, recipes, poems or credit card numbers. Yes, this makes perfect sense. What seems nonsensical is taking that and trying to apply it to the quite different world of geodata, maps and OSM. What seems to throw people when we are talking about geodata in a database rather than a collection of poems/photos/songs is the granularity of the contents. But it doesn't really matter whether we regard points, ways, uploads or any other unit as the content of the database. The content of the database is any pieces of data smaller than the entire database. Anything - so a planet dump of Germany is the 'content'? Or if that is too much, what about a smaller extract the size of your neighbourhood? I don't want to say that just because the boundary is fuzzy the concept must be unworkable. Real life and the law deal with fuzzy boundaries all the time. But to me it seems not merely fuzzy, but nonexistent. The thing is that an individual piece of data is entirely meaningless by itself - whereas you can take a photograph out of Wikipedia and use just that photo, it makes no sense to extract 'a point', 'a way' or even 'a tag' from OSM. The only unit that makes sense to use is a partial extract of the whole thing - complete with ways, points and tags - which then is clearly a 'database' and not mere 'contents'. Or if it is 'contents' then equally the entirety of OSM taken as a whole must be considered 'contents'. If we wanted to, we could produce an explanatory text which would accompany the licence terms and explain with examples what the OSM project considers to be its database and what we think of as contents. But that doesn't mean the distinction exists in law or would be understood by a court. It would just be on the level of social convention and a request for people to follow the spirit of the licence as well as the letter. Which is fine - I'm all in favour of that - but it makes all the elaborate legal gymnastics seem a bit pointless. Any complexity in this is a product of the law not the licence... I don't think it is a case of the law being complex, but rather of trying to invent new constructs that don't correspond to the law at all, or indeed to common sense. (The example of a collection of recordings or photographs is fine, but that's not what we are dealing with.) That is why things become foggy. Indeed, using something that is so novel and untested as ODbL to license OSM's work is foolish. Especially given that copyright as applied to maps is well established and have been in use for a couple of hundred years. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Database and its contents
On 23 November 2010 11:33, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed, using something that is so novel and untested as ODbL to license OSM's work is foolish. Especially given that copyright as applied to maps is well established and have been in use for a couple of hundred years. Dear Etienne, you are correct that copyrights are applied to maps for centuries and I expect it to continue for the coming centuries. On the topic of vectorial database, I believe that we will start seeing more and more people to move towards licenses which are protecting databases like what is happening with Paris (they are choosing ODbL, and they have a large legal team). I suspect as database law usage is expanding, we will see more and more moves towards licence like CC0, ODbL, ODb-BY, etc . Recently, someone from Creative Common posted that they are closely looking at the debate to see how they could improve their licensing to take into account databases. People don't spend time inventing new licences for the sake of it; it corresponds to the need of adapting to a changing legal environment. If I remember correctly, UK have recently excluded databases from copyright protection since 1997 due to the introduction of the European database law ( http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/UK_Database_Law for more information). You can argue that the database containing map data is different from some yellow pages database. I disagree with that statement. I believe that a database (as defined by the link above) of geographical information is not different than a database of information. ODbL may be untested, but so is CC-BY-SA, and so was the GPL until some time ago. The point is that you have to choose what gives you the strongest legal footing in the end, as they are all untested. Amusingly enough, I don't know of any map providers using copyrights to protect their data. Emily Laffray ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Database and its contents
Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@... writes: Amusingly enough, I don't know of any map providers using copyrights to protect their data. All map providers use copyright to protect their data. Look at any map online or offline and you will see a copyright notice, for example Map data (c) 2010 Europa Technologies, Google, PPWK, Tele Atlas Perhaps you mean that they don't use only copyright but also assert every right that they possibly can, including database rights. This is quite true. Usually a company's legal team will advise them to grab everything, and even to add additional restrictions not backed by any law. (Even if they are struck down in court, you're still no worse off than if you hadn't given it a try.) Certainly the database right exists in some countries and we need to license it. That doesn't of itself justify trying to export it to countries which have (wisely in my opinion) decided not to enact such a right. As always, the standard reality check applies: if you believe that maps or the data they represent are not covered by copyright, please start large-scale photocopying of some commercial maps, or copying the information from them into another format that you then publish. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Database and its contents
On 23 November 2010 13:04, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: As always, the standard reality check applies: if you believe that maps or the data they represent are not covered by copyright, please start large-scale photocopying of some commercial maps, or copying the information from them into another format that you then publish. Here is some data: node id=915100779 lat=51.5798222 lon=-0.3341762 version=2 changeset=6058195 user=Walter Schlögl uid=78656 visible=true timestamp=2010-10-16T14:40:13Z tag k=name v=McDonald's/ tag k=amenity v=fast_food/ tag k=cuisine v=burger/ /node The position is a fact, name is a fact, cuisine they serve is a fact, along with the other details. Facts cannot be copyright. Creative Commons licences are not designed for factual information. Creativity is used in the above data. Whereas on the rendered map http://tile.osm.org/18/130828/87084.png I would argue that creativity has been used to choose the icon, position the text/icon and create the halo around the text/icon, which is all contained in the mapnik stylesheet. Regards Grant ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Database and its contents
On 23 November 2010 13:23, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: On 23 November 2010 13:04, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: As always, the standard reality check applies: if you believe that maps or the data they represent are not covered by copyright, please start large-scale photocopying of some commercial maps, or copying the information from them into another format that you then publish. Here is some data: node id=915100779 lat=51.5798222 lon=-0.3341762 version=2 changeset=6058195 user=Walter Schlögl uid=78656 visible=true timestamp=2010-10-16T14:40:13Z tag k=name v=McDonald's/ tag k=amenity v=fast_food/ tag k=cuisine v=burger/ /node The position is a fact, name is a fact, cuisine they serve is a fact, along with the other details. Facts cannot be copyright. Creative Commons licences are not designed for factual information. Creativity is used in the above data. Typo, creativity is *NOT* used in the above data. Whereas on the rendered map http://tile.osm.org/18/130828/87084.png I would argue that creativity has been used to choose the icon, position the text/icon and create the halo around the text/icon, which is all contained in the mapnik stylesheet. Regards Grant ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Database and its contents
On 23 November 2010 13:04, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: As always, the standard reality check applies: if you believe that maps or the data they represent are not covered by copyright, please start large-scale photocopying of some commercial maps, or copying the information from them into another format that you then publish. See that's where you are confusing maps representation and the underlying data. If I was to start a large scale photocopying of some commercial maps, I would infringe copyrights of the printed map. This doesn't infringe on any possible underlying rights since you are stopping at the map itself. This doesn't imply anything on the underlying data. You are voluntarily confusing the topic and this argument is definitely not a valid one. Whether you think it is wise or not that countries are passing database laws, they are becoming a reality and more and more countries are adopting them. Should we ignore reality in the end? While it may be comforting to be think that we are protected by the current licence and enough community pressure, there will always be a time when a company will ignore that. In terms of debate, there are three major sides: PD people (and to some extent attribution people), SA people, people who don't care as long as the data is open and free. The reaction of the three sides would be interesting if a company would violate the current licence. Since we are here, can I ask you two questions on pure licensing? The answer needs to be short else, it will be drowned in words to hide the true belief you have. 1) In which camp are you? 2) Do you believe that CC-BY-SA would protect the project legally? To be strictly fair, I will answer to the questions first. 1) I am in the camp of those who don't care as long as the data is open and free. (You can see my reasons on the wiki page when I ran for the foundation). 2) I don't believe that CC-BY-SA would protect the project legally Regarding 1), I am pragmatist, and people initially have chosen a share alike licence and therefore it would be very difficult to switch to a PD or an attribution licence. In any case, I don't particularly care but I will respect the spirit of the initial licence (i.e. SA). Emilie Laffray ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Database and its contents
On 23 November 2010 12:46, Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] If I remember correctly, UK have recently excluded databases from copyright protection since 1997 due to the introduction of the European database law ( http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/UK_Database_Law for more information). Not quite. A database may attract either database right, copyright or both. The change to database copyright (as opposed to database right) is that copyright in a database has a harmonised subsistence threshold across Europe (own intellectual creation). Whether something is, or is not, a database for either purpose is a relatively straightforward question and is without prejudice to whether or not it might be derivable (or derived from) some other kind of work. -- Francis Davey ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Database and its contents
On 23 November 2010 14:14, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: Here is some data: node id=915100779 lat=51.5798222 lon=-0.3341762 version=2 changeset=6058195 user=Walter Schlögl uid=78656 visible=true timestamp=2010-10-16T14:40:13Z tag k=name v=McDonald's/ tag k=amenity v=fast_food/ tag k=cuisine v=burger/ /node The position is a fact, name is a fact, cuisine they serve is a fact, along with the other details. If you think the position of this restaurant is a fact then you really need to watch the Horizon documentary where Alan Davis tries to measure the length of a piece of string: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00574dv Hehe, I'll remember that next time I ask for a pint of beer; after all I could be missing at least 0.261485 millilitres. / Grant ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Database and its contents
Francis Davey fjm...@... writes: If I remember correctly, UK have recently excluded databases from copyright protection since 1997 Not quite. A database may attract either database right, copyright or both. The change to database copyright (as opposed to database right) is that copyright in a database has a harmonised subsistence threshold across Europe (own intellectual creation). Thanks for clarifying this. Does this mean, then, that every country which has a database right also has database copyright? (Perhaps there are some countries outside Europe which hold databases to be protectable via sui generis right but not via copyright.) -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Database and its contents
Grant Slater openstreet...@... writes: A database may attract either database right, copyright or both. The change to database copyright (as opposed to database right) is that copyright in a database has a harmonised subsistence threshold across Europe (own intellectual creation). Does this mean, then, that every country which has a database right also has database copyright? No copyright and database-right are not universal the world over, Yes - it's my understanding that the sui generis database right exists only in Europe - is that so? -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Database and its contents
On 23 November 2010 14:57, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: No copyright and database-right are not universal the world over, Yes - it's my understanding that the sui generis database right exists only in Europe - is that so? What difference does it make? It does not effect ODbL and that is what we are here to discuss. Regards Grant ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-legal-talk] Regarding future Contributor Terms upgrades
The License Working Group had a request from a contributor to make a statement to the effect that users who sign up to v1.0 of the Contributor Terms will be allowed to upgrade to future versions. I am now happy to provide such a formal statement: All the rights granted in the new proposed version are already granted in 1.0 so it is not essential to explicitly upgrade. However, the License Working Group clarifies that any contributor who has signed up to Contributor Terms 1.0 will be given the opportunity to voluntarily upgrade to the next revision and will be provided a mechanism to do so. The LWG also believes that this should be a general principle for any future revision. Mike Chair LWG At 02:27 PM 15/11/2010, David Ellams wrote: Dear LWG I am writing to request that the LWG make a statement to the effect that users who sign up to v1.0 of the Contributor Terms will be allowed to upgrade to future versions. I have not yet accepted the Contributor Terms, although I am supportive of the aims of the licence change process. Previously, the main obstacle has been that I may wish to trace (or possibly even import) from some of the OS Opendata resources in the future. I am heartened to see the efforts being made to address any incompatibility between the CTs and OS Opendata. Although I have never yet made substantial use of OS Opendata, I have been holding off from accepting the CTs in fear that if I accept now I may not be able to upgrade to any possible future version which may address the incompatibilities (thus leaving me unable to make use of OS Opendata even if the new CTs are compatible). I have heard reference to that possibility in a couple of mailing list discussions, but I would be very grateful if the LWG could more formally express its intention to allow users who accept the current CTs to upgrade to any future CTs in a manner that supersedes the current CTs. I for one, will accept the CTs without hesitation once such a statement has been made (even though I accept that there is no guarantee that compatibility will be achieved in future versions of the CTs or even that there will be any future versions). Finally, let me express my sincere thanks for your tremendous efforts in addressing the issues raised by the community in relation to the licence change. Keep up the good work! Best wishes David Ellams (user:davespod) ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Database and its contents
On 23 November 2010 15:22, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: On 23 November 2010 14:57, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: No copyright and database-right are not universal the world over, Yes - it's my understanding that the sui generis database right exists only in Europe - is that so? What difference does it make? It does not effect ODbL and that is what we are here to discuss. To answer some of the questions raised by my comment (and not just this one). The sui generis database right exists only in the EU and the EEA. Most of the other jurisdictions that I am familiar with (Australia, US, to some extent New Zealand) do not have specific database rights - what protection there might be for collections of information will generally be under copyright (and in most cases this will have a much higher threshold than database copyright did in the UK and is not simply based on the amount of effort put into collecting the data). There are other (non-copyright) principles that may apply, for example some species of hot news/misappropriation protection might apply to certain database in the US (but almost certainly not OSM). The sui generis database right is relevant to ODbL because the ODbL incorporates the database right into its definition section: [“Database Right” – Means rights resulting from the Chapter III (“sui generis”) rights in the Database Directive (as amended and as transposed by member states), which includes the Extraction and Re-utilisation of the whole or a Substantial part of the Contents, as well as any similar rights available in the relevant jurisdiction under Section 10.4.] So if another country outside the EU (or EEA?) were to implement a specific non-copyright protection of data, ODbL's database right protection would not apply to it. All countries with the sui generis database right have harmonised the threshold for database copyright as I have explained. -- Francis Davey ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Database and its contents
Francis Davey fjm...@... writes: To answer some of the questions raised by my comment (and not just this one). The sui generis database right exists only in the EU and the EEA. All countries with the sui generis database right have harmonised the threshold for database copyright as I have explained. Thanks. My followup question - which is not quite so much a question of pure fact, and addressed not to you but to the list in general - is that if database copyright applies wherever database right does, why not use copyright alone? If I've misunderstood what 'database copyright' means, and it's not as strong as ordinary copyright, please correct me. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Database and its contents
On 23 November 2010 19:50, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: To be precise a database right is earned when there is a substantial investment in obtaining, verifying or presenting the contents of the Yes. I was deliberately avoiding side-tracking the discussion onto the nature of the investment - I'm keen to avoid sounding like I am lecturing. database. Has the OSMF done enough to earn that right? Most obtaining has That's a good question and a tricky one. How much is substantial is not well settled in the case law - but many European jurisdictions seem to be quite generous at finding the existence of a right with relatively modest levels of investment. substantial could mean not merely trivial or a large amount. But your question does not exhaust the enquiry - has OSMF a database right (or could it obtain one)? Its entirely possible for a large number of people to work together on a project so that *jointly* they own a database right in a jointly created database. I don't know much of OSM's history, but I'm guessing that it started out like that, without any clear assignment of rights between the contributors (looking at a history of the CT's suggests this), so that what you may have is a joint work. If the contributors licence their database rights to OSMF then OSMF will have sufficient rights to sublicense under ODbL (assuming lots of other things are true as well - I'm just looking at the ownership question). I think it would be easy enough to defend OSM being a database and there being a database right in its data. Who owns it may be less important, unless you try to sue for infringement of course, but as I understand existing policy, that is not OSMF's intention. been done by contributors who are not members of OSMF and have no connection with OSMF. As far as I know OSMF has no verification function and certainly They have _some_ connection in that they contributed to OSM with which OSMF is connected. doesn't make a substantial investment in verification. As for presenting they host a server running Mapnik and provide a planet dump and some APIs. Their only investment is the cost of the hardware[1]. Quite. There's obviously a question of what substantial means - see above. In much of the database rights literature there is often a reference to the $ value spent to create the database in question. Presumably this is relevant to whether the right has been earned based on a substantial investment. How does OSMF measure up on this, having spent just a few thousand dollars on hardware? Hard to say, although investment does not have to be of money, but of resources, so lots of people working hard in their spare time as volunteers counts. -- Francis Davey ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-talk] WG: Emergency Access Points
Hi all, To simplfy the rescue of people in isolated areas (like forests). Those points are tagged as highways with value emergency_access_points. According to taginfo there are about 9000 of these points (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Demergency_access_point) I really don't get why those points aren't tagged with the emergency key. Can anybody help me? Regards, Michael ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] South Pole?
On Mon, 2010-11-22 at 17:59 +0100, Rob wrote: even more polution http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=0.445lon=-1.674zoom=10layers=M And Jon replied: That has a different cause. Someone did upload data putting buildings here which have since been removed Except for this way, I think: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/48399061 Ed ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Why bz2?
It seems that all files from planet.openstreetmap.org are in .bz2 format. Why using it instead of xz? xz can compress (usually) more than bz2 and is way faster to compress/uncompress.(1) I'm sure that there are other sources that report the same info. Please, consider xz as a possibility. It would decrease the space needed, the time used to make the planets and the bandwith use. Thanks, Fabio Locati 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/infrastruct...@lists.fedoraproject.org/msg01143.html -- Fabio Alessandro Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone: +39-328-3799681 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabioloc...@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: 5525 8555 213C 19EB 25F2 A047 2AD2 BE67 0F01 CA61 Involved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Why bz2?
On 23/11/10 11:06, Fabio Alessandro Locati wrote: It seems that all files from planet.openstreetmap.org are in .bz2 format. Why using it instead of xz? xz can compress (usually) more than bz2 and is way faster to compress/uncompress.(1) I'm sure that there are other sources that report the same info. Please, consider xz as a possibility. It would decrease the space needed, the time used to make the planets and the bandwith use. Because bz2 is far more widely supported by tools and libraries that people might wish to use to read the data. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Database and its contents
Rob Myers r...@... writes: I work with databases every day and I don't understand how the 'database' versus 'contents' distinction is meant to apply to maps and to OSM in particular. Imagine a database of names, song titles, photographs, recipes, poems or credit card numbers. Yes, this makes perfect sense. What seems nonsensical is taking that and trying to apply it to the quite different world of geodata, maps and OSM. What seems to throw people when we are talking about geodata in a database rather than a collection of poems/photos/songs is the granularity of the contents. But it doesn't really matter whether we regard points, ways, uploads or any other unit as the content of the database. The content of the database is any pieces of data smaller than the entire database. Anything - so a planet dump of Germany is the 'content'? Or if that is too much, what about a smaller extract the size of your neighbourhood? I don't want to say that just because the boundary is fuzzy the concept must be unworkable. Real life and the law deal with fuzzy boundaries all the time. But to me it seems not merely fuzzy, but nonexistent. The thing is that an individual piece of data is entirely meaningless by itself - whereas you can take a photograph out of Wikipedia and use just that photo, it makes no sense to extract 'a point', 'a way' or even 'a tag' from OSM. The only unit that makes sense to use is a partial extract of the whole thing - complete with ways, points and tags - which then is clearly a 'database' and not mere 'contents'. Or if it is 'contents' then equally the entirety of OSM taken as a whole must be considered 'contents'. If we wanted to, we could produce an explanatory text which would accompany the licence terms and explain with examples what the OSM project considers to be its database and what we think of as contents. But that doesn't mean the distinction exists in law or would be understood by a court. It would just be on the level of social convention and a request for people to follow the spirit of the licence as well as the letter. Which is fine - I'm all in favour of that - but it makes all the elaborate legal gymnastics seem a bit pointless. Any complexity in this is a product of the law not the licence... I don't think it is a case of the law being complex, but rather of trying to invent new constructs that don't correspond to the law at all, or indeed to common sense. (The example of a collection of recordings or photographs is fine, but that's not what we are dealing with.) That is why things become foggy. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-talk] Why tagging of GPX tracks while uploading
Hello *, I wonder why there are tags while uploading gpx tracks on the osm website. Ok you can use it to tag the tracks but is there any application using these tags or are there any planed? I read about potlatch maybe using these tags but could not find whether it is already implemented. What was the intention of implementing this gpx track tagging feature? Regards, Martin smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Why bz2?
Fabio, Fabio Alessandro Locati wrote: It seems that all files from planet.openstreetmap.org are in .bz2 format. Why using it instead of xz? xz can compress (usually) more than bz2 and is way faster to compress/uncompress.(1) I'm sure that there are other sources that report the same info. Please, consider xz as a possibility. It would decrease the space needed, the time used to make the planets and the bandwith use. We have introduced a new binary format that compresses far better than even xz, so if you're willing to install extra software for uncompressing data, go with the new pbf format. Extracts on the download.geofabrik.de site are already available in .osm.pbf, and sonner or later the full planet file will be, too. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Why bz2?
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: We have introduced a new binary format that compresses far better than even xz, so if you're willing to install extra software for uncompressing data, go with the new pbf format. Extracts on the download.geofabrik.de site are already available in .osm.pbf, and sonner or later the full planet file will be, too. Awesome, but I haven't found a way to uncompress it. PS: My question raised because my 4 cores PhenomII computer has downloaded for more than 11 hours and is uncompressing since 4 hours ago the planet with full history and haven't finished yet ;) -- Fabio Alessandro Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone: +39-328-3799681 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabioloc...@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: 5525 8555 213C 19EB 25F2 A047 2AD2 BE67 0F01 CA61 Involved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Why bz2?
On Tue, November 23, 2010 11:59 am, Fabio Alessandro Locati wrote: On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: We have introduced a new binary format that compresses far better than even xz, so if you're willing to install extra software for uncompressing data, go with the new pbf format. Extracts on the download.geofabrik.de site are already available in .osm.pbf, and sonner or later the full planet file will be, too. Awesome, but I haven't found a way to uncompress it. PS: My question raised because my 4 cores PhenomII computer has downloaded for more than 11 hours and is uncompressing since 4 hours ago the planet with full history and haven't finished yet ;) Generally speaking you won't want to uncompress the file to disk directly. Rather you will want to pipe the uncompressed output to another program to do the processing. This will be a lot faster since you are reading and writing to/from disk a lot less data and discarding any data that you don't need. Shaun ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Database and its contents
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.comwrote: On 23 November 2010 13:23, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: On 23 November 2010 13:04, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: As always, the standard reality check applies: if you believe that maps or the data they represent are not covered by copyright, please start large-scale photocopying of some commercial maps, or copying the information from them into another format that you then publish. Here is some data: node id=915100779 lat=51.5798222 lon=-0.3341762 version=2 changeset=6058195 user=Walter Schlögl uid=78656 visible=true timestamp=2010-10-16T14:40:13Z tag k=name v=McDonald's/ tag k=amenity v=fast_food/ tag k=cuisine v=burger/ /node The position is a fact, name is a fact, cuisine they serve is a fact, along with the other details. If you think the position of this restaurant is a fact then you really need to watch the Horizon documentary where Alan Davis tries to measure the length of a piece of string: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00574dv Facts cannot be copyright. Creative Commons licences are not designed for factual information. Creativity is used in the above data. Typo, creativity is *NOT* used in the above data. Whereas on the rendered map http://tile.osm.org/18/130828/87084.png I would argue that creativity has been used to choose the icon, position the text/icon and create the halo around the text/icon, which is all contained in the mapnik stylesheet. Regards Grant ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Why bz2?
On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 12:59:54 +0100 Fabio Alessandro Locati fabioloc...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: We have introduced a new binary format that compresses far better than even xz, so if you're willing to install extra software for uncompressing data, go with the new pbf format. Extracts on the download.geofabrik.de site are already available in .osm.pbf, and sonner or later the full planet file will be, too. Awesome, but I haven't found a way to uncompress it. PS: My question raised because my 4 cores PhenomII computer has downloaded for more than 11 hours and is uncompressing since 4 hours ago the planet with full history and haven't finished yet ;) If you have multiple cores, pbzip2 might be of interest: http://compression.ca/pbzip2/ Daniel ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Database and its contents
Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@... writes: As always, the standard reality check applies: if you believe that maps or the data they represent are not covered by copyright, please start large-scale photocopying of some commercial maps, or copying the information from them into another format that you then publish. See that's where you are confusing maps representation and the underlying data. If I was to start a large scale photocopying of some commercial maps, I would infringe copyrights of the printed map. This doesn't infringe on any possible underlying rights since you are stopping at the map itself. This doesn't imply anything on the underlying data. See the second part - 'or copying the information from them'. Copying the underlying data is one of the things that we do in OSM. We trace over other maps, copying only the underlying facts (this street is there, and it has this name) and not the representation. When can we not do this? When the map is under copyright! Have a look at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Out-Of-Copyright which has a long list of old maps which are or are not okay for copying into OSM. Most of them date from long before any database right was introduced, so if the data itself is not covered by copyright, we should be able to trace from them with impunity! Again, reality doesn't agree with the assertion that copyright doesn't apply. Even though you are dealing only with 'data' or 'facts' and not merely photocopying the representation of them, you are still infringing copyright, and there have been recent court cases backing that up. (In the UK, for example, Ordnance Survey versus AA - copying of factual information from OS maps triggered a copyright action, which succeeded.) I agree with your point that database right exists and we need to license it. I wanted to address the particular point, often asserted here, that map information is somehow exempt from copyright so we cannot use copyright to protect it. That's just not backed up by the real world. Since we are here, can I ask you two questions on pure licensing? The answer needs to be short else, it will be drowned in words to hide the true belief you have.1) In which camp are you?2) Do you believe that CC-BY-SA would protect the project legally? Yes, I believe it is a simple licence based on well-understood law which provides an effective way to deal with violations. More than that, it has proved effective in practice; big organizations such as Microsoft or MapQuest use our data respecting its terms; and no map vendor would ever take the risk of contaminating their product with licence-infringing data. For the first question, I don't really mind as long as the project uses a free and open and licence which is workable in practice. I am reluctant to accept the ODbL as truly free and open because of the contract law provisions; to me it resembles more an EULA which attempts to limit through contract restrictions the rights which you would otherwise have. I believe a licence should be a pure grant of additional permissions. (These are also easier to enforce, since the other party cannot argue that the licence 'does not apply' - if it doesn't apply, then they do not have any rights under it.) I also believe that the ODbL/DbCL combination is unclear and cumbersome in practice, attempting to shoehorn a map into a distinction between 'database' and 'contents' which makes little sense, among other issues which tend to cause lots of diverging interpretations on this list. I used to support share-alike terms but they seem to cause trouble as people think of loopholes (real or imagined) and add more and more legalese. From a practical point of view I think public domain or attribution-only would be superior for this reason. The status quo of CC-BY-SA is working well but it is hard to stick to the rule if it ain't broke, don't fix it. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Why bz2?
Hi, On 11/23/10 12:59, Fabio Alessandro Locati wrote: On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Frederik Rammfrede...@remote.org wrote: We have introduced a new binary format that compresses far better than even xz, so if you're willing to install extra software for uncompressing data, go with the new pbf format. Extracts on the download.geofabrik.de site are already available in .osm.pbf, and sonner or later the full planet file will be, too. Awesome, but I haven't found a way to uncompress it. Osmosis or pbf2osm are the obvious choices. You'll reap even greater benefits if you're using software that reads pbf directly, e.g. osm2pgsql. as you'll save xml parsing time. PS: My question raised because my 4 cores PhenomII computer has downloaded for more than 11 hours and is uncompressing since 4 hours ago the planet with full history and haven't finished yet ;) You might save time decompressing bzip2 if you use the 7zip program (which has a multithreading bz2 implementation). Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] 1 billionth node
We apparently hit the 1 billionth node milestone last Monday (or the node with ID 10 if the previous statement is not accurate): http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/10 The node is, unsurprisingly, part of some import in Romania. Make of that what you will. :-D ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Steve Coast Joins Microsoft as Principle Architect of Bing Mobile
http://opengeodata.org/openstreetmap-founder-steve-coast-joins-bing http://blog.stevecoast.com/im-working-at-microsoft-and-were-donating-ima ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Steve Coast Joins Microsoft as Principle Architect of Bing Mobile
Never mind Steve Coast joining Microsoft (though I would guess several people would have apoplexy over a husband and a wife working for rival mapping companies), but the anticipated announcement that Microsoft will let OpenStreetMappers trace from their imagery is a much more welcome news to me! :-D On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 1:06 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: http://opengeodata.org/openstreetmap-founder-steve-coast-joins-bing http://blog.stevecoast.com/im-working-at-microsoft-and-were-donating-ima ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Steve Coast Joins Microsoft as Principle Architect ofBing Mobile
Subject: [OSM-talk] Steve Coast Joins Microsoft as Principle Architect ofBing Mobile Microsoft is donating access to it's global orthorectified aerial imagery to help OpenStreetMappers make the map even better than it already is. WOO HOO! Does anyone have the magic JOSM string for this? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Steve Coast Joins Microsoft as Principle Architect ofBing Mobile
--- Mike N. nice...@att.net schrieb am Di, 23.11.2010: WOO HOO! Does anyone have the magic JOSM string for this? This is very exciting news. But I could not find any way to make use of that at the moment. So I guess this will be possible in the future as in opposed to now? Regards, Florian Heer ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Steve Coast Joins Microsoft as Principle Architect ofBing Mobile
On 23/11/2010 17:41, Florian Heer wrote: This is very exciting news. But I could not find any way to make use of that at the moment. So I guess this will be possible in the future as in opposed to now? The announcement was made less than an hour ago -- be patient! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Steve Coast Joins Microsoft as Principle Architect ofBing Mobile
On 23-11-2010 18:52, Jonathan Bennett wrote: On 23/11/2010 17:41, Florian Heer wrote: This is very exciting news. But I could not find any way to make use of that at the moment. So I guess this will be possible in the future as in opposed to now? The announcement was made less than an hour ago -- be patient! It really does feel like hell is going to freeze over. Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Steve Coast Joins Microsoft as Principle Architect of Bing Mobile
http://opengeodata.org/openstreetmap-founder-steve-coast-joins-bing Congratulations Steve. This is great news. Bing (despite the god-awful name) are actually doing some really cool stuff in the mapping/geodata field. With an 'inside' man who appreciates the value of open-data and crowd sourcing this could be a huge win for free map data. Simon. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Steve Coast Joins Microsoft as Principle Architect ofBing Mobile
There would be something you could do with http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/SlippyMap#Custom_tile_URLS and http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb259689.aspx probably. Martijn van Exel +++ m...@rtijn.org laziness – impatience – hubris http://schaaltreinen.nl | http://martijnvanexel.nl | http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Florian Heer florianheerf...@yahoo.dewrote: --- Mike N. nice...@att.net schrieb am Di, 23.11.2010: WOO HOO! Does anyone have the magic JOSM string for this? This is very exciting news. But I could not find any way to make use of that at the moment. So I guess this will be possible in the future as in opposed to now? Regards, Florian Heer ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Steve Coast Joins Microsoft as Principle Architect ofBing Mobile
On 23 November 2010 17:41, Florian Heer florianheerf...@yahoo.de wrote: This is very exciting news. But I could not find any way to make use of that at the moment. So I guess this will be possible in the future as in opposed to now? Same answer for the Potlatch... http://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/1602/how-can-i-use-microsofts-aerial-imagery-in-potlatch / Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Database and its contents
On 23 November 2010 17:08, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: Thanks. My followup question - which is not quite so much a question of pure fact, and addressed not to you but to the list in general - is that if database copyright applies wherever database right does, why not use copyright alone? Because it is much harder for a database to attract copyright protection than sui generis protection - especially for data collectors like OSMF. Database copyright arises when the database is the author's own intellectual creation. That means that some design or creativity has to have gone into the database - it can't simply be an assemblage of facts. Example: the football fixtures list for the English premier league require lots of thought (so the league convinced a judge) to design, so the collection of items of information of the form Arsenal v Chelsea, Tuesday 10pm at Emirates, has database copyright (and because the league produce it for their own purposes they don't get sui generis protection). Database right arises when there is a substantial investment. It focuses on work not creativity. Lots of work in making a database won't get you copyright but may get you database right. It is much more likely that OSMF attracts database right than database copyright. If I've misunderstood what 'database copyright' means, and it's not as strong as ordinary copyright, please correct me. It may depend on what you mean by not as strong as. They are just different things. Its best not to think of them in the same way. Although quite a few provisions are imported from copyright, there's a lot that is different. For example you infringe copyright by doing one of a list of things (copying etc) whereas you infringe database right by extraction or reutlisation (of a substantial part...). -- Francis Davey ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Steve Coast Joins Microsoft as Principle Architect ofBing Mobile
Grant Slater wrote: Same answer for the Potlatch... http://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/1602/how-can-i-use-microsofts-aerial-imagery-in-potlatch Potlatch 2 can now, as of five minutes ago, display Bing-format tiles. We're waiting for the official start tracing announcement, and any provisos (only through this API, only with this copyright message, only on Tuesdays etc. etc.), before making it live. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Steve-Coast-Joins-Microsoft-as-Principle-Architect-of-Bing-Mobile-tp5767431p5767827.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Steve Coast Joins Microsoft as Principle Architect ofBing Mobile
Anyone read the fine print of the license under which M$ provides the imagery? /Markus On 23 November 2010 19:43, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Grant Slater wrote: Same answer for the Potlatch... http://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/1602/how-can-i-use-microsofts-aerial-imagery-in-potlatch Potlatch 2 can now, as of five minutes ago, display Bing-format tiles. We're waiting for the official start tracing announcement, and any provisos (only through this API, only with this copyright message, only on Tuesdays etc. etc.), before making it live. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Steve-Coast-Joins-Microsoft-as-Principle-Architect-of-Bing-Mobile-tp5767431p5767827.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Steve Coast Joins Microsoft as Principle Architect ofBing Mobile
Am 23.11.2010 18:56, schrieb Maarten Deen: On 23-11-2010 18:52, Jonathan Bennett wrote: On 23/11/2010 17:41, Florian Heer wrote: This is very exciting news. But I could not find any way to make use of that at the moment. So I guess this will be possible in the future as in opposed to now? The announcement was made less than an hour ago -- be patient! It really does feel like hell is going to freeze over. Yes, I'm already shivering of anticipation. Regards, Florian ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Database and its contents
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Francis Davey fjm...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 November 2010 17:08, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: Thanks. My followup question - which is not quite so much a question of pure fact, and addressed not to you but to the list in general - is that if database copyright applies wherever database right does, why not use copyright alone? Because it is much harder for a database to attract copyright protection than sui generis protection - especially for data collectors like OSMF. Database copyright arises when the database is the author's own intellectual creation. That means that some design or creativity has to have gone into the database - it can't simply be an assemblage of facts. Example: the football fixtures list for the English premier league require lots of thought (so the league convinced a judge) to design, so the collection of items of information of the form Arsenal v Chelsea, Tuesday 10pm at Emirates, has database copyright (and because the league produce it for their own purposes they don't get sui generis protection). Database right arises when there is a substantial investment. It focuses on work not creativity. Lots of work in making a database won't get you copyright but may get you database right. It is much more likely that OSMF attracts database right than database copyright. To be precise a database right is earned when there is a substantial investment in obtaining, verifying or presenting the contents of the database. Has the OSMF done enough to earn that right? Most obtaining has been done by contributors who are not members of OSMF and have no connection with OSMF. As far as I know OSMF has no verification function and certainly doesn't make a substantial investment in verification. As for presenting they host a server running Mapnik and provide a planet dump and some APIs. Their only investment is the cost of the hardware[1]. In much of the database rights literature there is often a reference to the $ value spent to create the database in question. Presumably this is relevant to whether the right has been earned based on a substantial investment. How does OSMF measure up on this, having spent just a few thousand dollars on hardware? 80n [1] http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Finances If I've misunderstood what 'database copyright' means, and it's not as strong as ordinary copyright, please correct me. It may depend on what you mean by not as strong as. They are just different things. Its best not to think of them in the same way. Although quite a few provisions are imported from copyright, there's a lot that is different. For example you infringe copyright by doing one of a list of things (copying etc) whereas you infringe database right by extraction or reutlisation (of a substantial part...). -- Francis Davey ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-talk] Suggestion for an Unconference
Greetings OSM: deCarta, Mapquest, Bing, and WeoGeo are really excited about where OSM is going - we would like to have an unconference on how mapping Corps can help OSM - what do people think? There should be a way we can work together to create value for everyone. We have more ideas or details that we can provide about how we MIGHT want to do this but we would really like to get this to be a community affair. Thanks Steve, Hurricane, Steve, and James ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion for an Unconference
I suggest to make it a ménage à trois and include the government perspective: USGS, EuroGeographics, etc. Also, the question of how can we help improve your product and operation is valid in all directions, not only -- OSM. Martijn van Exel +++ m...@rtijn.org laziness – impatience – hubris http://schaaltreinen.nl | http://martijnvanexel.nl | http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes On Nov 23, 2010, at 10:45 PM, Steve Citron-Pousty scitronpou...@decarta.com wrote: Greetings OSM: deCarta, Mapquest, Bing, and WeoGeo are really excited about where OSM is going - we would like to have an unconference on how mapping Corps can help OSM - what do people think? There should be a way we can work together to create value for everyone. We have more ideas or details that we can provide about how we MIGHT want to do this but we would really like to get this to be a community affair. Thanks Steve, Hurricane, Steve, and James ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion for an Unconference
Sounds interesting :) b On 24 November 2010 05:45, Steve Citron-Pousty scitronpou...@decarta.comwrote: Greetings OSM: deCarta, Mapquest, Bing, and WeoGeo are really excited about where OSM is going - we would like to have an unconference on how mapping Corps can help OSM - what do people think? There should be a way we can work together to create value for everyone. We have more ideas or details that we can provide about how we MIGHT want to do this but we would really like to get this to be a community affair. Thanks Steve, Hurricane, Steve, and James ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Ben Last Development Manager nearmap.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Steve Coast Joins Microsoft as Principle Architect of Bing Mobile
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 18:06, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: http://opengeodata.org/openstreetmap-founder-steve-coast-joins-bing http://blog.stevecoast.com/im-working-at-microsoft-and-were-donating-ima Do we take bets on the time before the first article/blog comes out saying that OSM belongs to Microsoft ;-) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] wiki list of bing imagery coverage (Re: Steve Coast Joins Microsoft as Principle Architect of Bing Mobile)
I started the list: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bing/Coverage On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 8:42 AM, Chris Browet c...@semperpax.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 18:06, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: http://opengeodata.org/openstreetmap-founder-steve-coast-joins-bing http://blog.stevecoast.com/im-working-at-microsoft-and-were-donating-ima Do we take bets on the time before the first article/blog comes out saying that OSM belongs to Microsoft ;-) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Steve Coast Joins Microsoft as Principle Architect of Bing Mobile
Actually, that already happened a few months ago when NPR's Future Tense did a story about the new OSM tiles for Bing. On Nov 23, 2010, at 6:42 PM, Chris Browet c...@semperpax.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 18:06, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: http://opengeodata.org/openstreetmap-founder-steve-coast-joins-bing http://blog.stevecoast.com/im-working-at-microsoft-and-were-donating-ima Do we take bets on the time before the first article/blog comes out saying that OSM belongs to Microsoft ;-) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Steve Coast Joins Microsoft as Principle Architect of Bing Mobile
On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 12:06 -0500, Richard Weait wrote: http://opengeodata.org/openstreetmap-founder-steve-coast-joins-bing http://blog.stevecoast.com/im-working-at-microsoft-and-were-donating-ima I am a little confused - who is SteveC? or are there two of them? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Steve Coast Joins Microsoft as Principle Architect of Bing Mobile
On Wed, 2010-11-24 at 08:13 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 12:06 -0500, Richard Weait wrote: http://opengeodata.org/openstreetmap-founder-steve-coast-joins-bing http://blog.stevecoast.com/im-working-at-microsoft-and-were-donating-ima I am a little confused - who is SteveC? or are there two of them? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Steve Coast Joins Microsoft as Principle Architect of Bing Mobile
On Wed, 2010-11-24 at 13:53 +1100, David Murn wrote: On Wed, 2010-11-24 at 08:13 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 12:06 -0500, Richard Weait wrote: http://opengeodata.org/openstreetmap-founder-steve-coast-joins-bing http://blog.stevecoast.com/im-working-at-microsoft-and-were-donating-ima I am a little confused - who is SteveC? or are there two of them? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Steve then who is the older bearded guy? Or is he a fake? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Steve Coast Joins Microsoft as Principle Architect of Bing Mobile
Steve Chilton? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Steve8 On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote: On Wed, 2010-11-24 at 13:53 +1100, David Murn wrote: On Wed, 2010-11-24 at 08:13 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 12:06 -0500, Richard Weait wrote: http://opengeodata.org/openstreetmap-founder-steve-coast-joins-bing http://blog.stevecoast.com/im-working-at-microsoft-and-were-donating-ima I am a little confused - who is SteveC? or are there two of them? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Steve then who is the older bearded guy? Or is he a fake? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Steve Coast Joins Microsoft as Principle Architect of Bing Mobile
Hi, On 11/24/10 04:41, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: then who is the older bearded guy? Or is he a fake? The older bearded guy hasn't yet joined Microsoft as far as I'm aware. Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Steve Coast Joins Microsoft as Principle Architect of Bing Mobile
On Wed, 2010-11-24 at 08:12 +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: On 11/24/10 04:41, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: then who is the older bearded guy? Or is he a fake? The older bearded guy hasn't yet joined Microsoft as far as I'm aware. now I have sorted it out - there are two of them. Only SteveC sometimes comes across as cantankerous, so I pictured him a a Stallman like figure with wrinkles and beard - and hence got confused. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Steve Coast Joins Microsoft as Principle Architect of Bing Mobile
Thanks for that. I will try to live up to your image! The other SteveC From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Kenneth Gonsalves [law...@au-kbc.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 7:21 AM To: Frederik Ramm Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Steve Coast Joins Microsoft as Principle Architect of Bing Mobile On Wed, 2010-11-24 at 08:12 +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: On 11/24/10 04:41, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: then who is the older bearded guy? Or is he a fake? The older bearded guy hasn't yet joined Microsoft as far as I'm aware. now I have sorted it out - there are two of them. Only SteveC sometimes comes across as cantankerous, so I pictured him a a Stallman like figure with wrinkles and beard - and hence got confused. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Handleiding Hoe maak je je eigen tileserver? in het Nederlands - hulp gevraagd!
Aankondiging: Tileserver Hackfest bij ce-test in Rotterdam (Gert Gremmen) Koffie en Thee en Erwtensoep aanwezig. Ik zorg voor een lege server met geheugen en internet. Neem je eigen server mee, als je gelijk mee wilt bouwen. Zin om mee te doen ? http://doodle.com/56xavhwu5wz94h35 Doel: Nu eens van scratch off een tile-server opbouwen en gezamenlijk van de ervaringen en inzet een goede tutorial bouwen. Mogelijk kunnen we ook een DVD image met de software samenstellen En wat er nog meer ter desktop komt. Martijn, denk je dat 1 dag genoeg is ? Kan jij en ook Stefan zorgen voor de software (als download niet snel genoeg is !) Gert Gremmen - Openstreetmap.nl (alias: cetest) P Before printing, think about the environment. Van: talk-nl-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-nl-boun...@openstreetmap.org] Namens Martijn van Exel Verzonden: Monday, November 22, 2010 9:48 PM Aan: OpenStreetMap NL discussion list Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Handleiding Hoe maak je je eigen tileserver? in het Nederlands - hulp gevraagd! Ik vind dat allemaal heel erg leuke plannen en ideeën! Laten we inderdaad een tileserver-hackfest doen met als uitkomst een (paar) mooie tutorial(s) in het Nederlands. December?! Ambitieus maar misschien mogelijk! Gert, stel jij een paar data voor? Martijn Martijn van Exel +++ m...@rtijn.org laziness – impatience – hubris http://schaaltreinen.nl | http://martijnvanexel.nl | http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes 2010/11/22 Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 22-11-10 19:23, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen schreef: We moeten alleen een kleinere kaart inlezen vanwege de uren… Heb voor een projectje waar Rubke ook bij betrokken was een webinterface gemaakt om dat proces ook te automatiseren. Dus je klikt aan wat je wilt draaien en dan gaat hij zelf downloaden en importeren. Misschien is dat ook wel leuk om te laten zien. Stefan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEAREKAAYFAkzquPIACgkQYH1+F2Rqwn2BpgCfU0VQnfDqJvM0gAyrXQh4q+6k m5cAn2cAb1j9OrcP2266frmqkD94CnI4 =ytWi -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl image001.gif___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Handleiding Hoe maak je je eigen tileserver? in het Nederlands - hulp gevraagd!
Voor het goede begrip: het is dus *niet* het doel om de bestaande setup van tile.openstreetmap.nl / live.openstreetmap.nl te gaan heroverwegen of aanpassen: dat werkt allemaal prima. Wat mij betreft *wel* om de ervaringen daaruit op te nemen in een NL-talige tutorial Hoe bouw ik mijn eigen (live) tileserver. Het zou mooi zijn als we verschillende setups kunnen beschrijven: apache / mod_tile, cherokee en de setup van live.osm.nl, ...? Martijn Martijn van Exel +++ m...@rtijn.org laziness – impatience – hubris http://schaaltreinen.nl | http://martijnvanexel.nl | http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes 2010/11/23 ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl Aankondiging: Tileserver Hackfest bij ce-test in Rotterdam (Gert Gremmen) Koffie en Thee en Erwtensoep aanwezig. Ik zorg voor een lege server met geheugen en internet. Neem je eigen server mee, als je gelijk mee wilt bouwen. Zin om mee te doen ? http://doodle.com/56xavhwu5wz94h35 Doel: Nu eens van scratch off een tile-server opbouwen en gezamenlijk van de ervaringen en inzet een goede tutorial bouwen. Mogelijk kunnen we ook een DVD image met de software samenstellen En wat er nog meer ter desktop komt. Martijn, denk je dat 1 dag genoeg is ? Kan jij en ook Stefan zorgen voor de software (als download niet snel genoeg is !) Gert Gremmen - [image: Osm] Openstreetmap.nl (alias: cetest) P* Before printing, think about the environment.* *Van:* talk-nl-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto: talk-nl-boun...@openstreetmap.org] *Namens *Martijn van Exel *Verzonden:* Monday, November 22, 2010 9:48 PM *Aan:* OpenStreetMap NL discussion list *Onderwerp:* Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Handleiding Hoe maak je je eigen tileserver? in het Nederlands - hulp gevraagd! Ik vind dat allemaal heel erg leuke plannen en ideeën! Laten we inderdaad een tileserver-hackfest doen met als uitkomst een (paar) mooie tutorial(s) in het Nederlands. December?! Ambitieus maar misschien mogelijk! Gert, stel jij een paar data voor? Martijn Martijn van Exel +++ m...@rtijn.org laziness – impatience – hubris http://schaaltreinen.nl | http://martijnvanexel.nl | http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes 2010/11/22 Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 22-11-10 19:23, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen schreef: We moeten alleen een kleinere kaart inlezen vanwege de uren… Heb voor een projectje waar Rubke ook bij betrokken was een webinterface gemaakt om dat proces ook te automatiseren. Dus je klikt aan wat je wilt draaien en dan gaat hij zelf downloaden en importeren. Misschien is dat ook wel leuk om te laten zien. Stefan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEAREKAAYFAkzquPIACgkQYH1+F2Rqwn2BpgCfU0VQnfDqJvM0gAyrXQh4q+6k m5cAn2cAb1j9OrcP2266frmqkD94CnI4 =ytWi -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl image001.gif___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Handleiding Hoe maak je je eigen tiles erver? in het Nederlands - hulp gevraagd!
On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 09:24:26 +0100, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote: Aankondiging: Tileserver Hackfest bij ce-test in Rotterdam (Gert Gremmen) Koffie en Thee en Erwtensoep aanwezig. Ik zorg voor een lege server met geheugen en internet. Neem je eigen server mee, als je gelijk mee wilt bouwen. Ik neem aan dat jou internetverbinding voldoende is om naar huis te kunnen telnetten zodat er niet fysiek met servers gesleept hoeft te worden? Groeten, Maarten ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Handleiding Hoe maak je je eigen tileserver? in het Nederlands - hulp gevraagd!
telnet. dat is lang geleden... On Tuesday 23 November 2010 09:39:54 Maarten Deen wrote: On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 09:24:26 +0100, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote: Aankondiging: Tileserver Hackfest bij ce-test in Rotterdam (Gert Gremmen) Koffie en Thee en Erwtensoep aanwezig. Ik zorg voor een lege server met geheugen en internet. Neem je eigen server mee, als je gelijk mee wilt bouwen. Ik neem aan dat jou internetverbinding voldoende is om naar huis te kunnen telnetten zodat er niet fysiek met servers gesleept hoeft te worden? Groeten, Maarten ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Handleiding Hoe maak je je eigen tileserver? in het Nederlands - hulp gevraagd!
Doel opzich is duidelijk. Voor iedereen die ene eigen tile server wil om te mee te klooien of om stylesheets op te testen is dit natuurlijk erg handig. Tevens een duidelijke handleiding voor bedrijven die het ook willen gebruiken is niet verkeerd. Als in die handleiding dan verschillende setups kunnen staan elk met hun eigen voor en nadelen is dat natuurlijk wel handig. Groet, --Roeland On Tuesday 23 November 2010 09:38:09 Martijn van Exel wrote: Voor het goede begrip: het is dus *niet* het doel om de bestaande setup van tile.openstreetmap.nl / live.openstreetmap.nl te gaan heroverwegen of aanpassen: dat werkt allemaal prima. Wat mij betreft *wel* om de ervaringen daaruit op te nemen in een NL-talige tutorial Hoe bouw ik mijn eigen (live) tileserver. Het zou mooi zijn als we verschillende setups kunnen beschrijven: apache / mod_tile, cherokee en de setup van live.osm.nl, ...? Martijn Martijn van Exel +++ m...@rtijn.org laziness – impatience – hubris http://schaaltreinen.nl | http://martijnvanexel.nl | http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes 2010/11/23 ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl Aankondiging: Tileserver Hackfest bij ce-test in Rotterdam (Gert Gremmen) Koffie en Thee en Erwtensoep aanwezig. Ik zorg voor een lege server met geheugen en internet. Neem je eigen server mee, als je gelijk mee wilt bouwen. Zin om mee te doen ? http://doodle.com/56xavhwu5wz94h35 Doel: Nu eens van scratch off een tile-server opbouwen en gezamenlijk van de ervaringen en inzet een goede tutorial bouwen. Mogelijk kunnen we ook een DVD image met de software samenstellen En wat er nog meer ter desktop komt. Martijn, denk je dat 1 dag genoeg is ? Kan jij en ook Stefan zorgen voor de software (als download niet snel genoeg is !) Gert Gremmen - [image: Osm] Openstreetmap.nl (alias: cetest) P* Before printing, think about the environment.* *Van:* talk-nl-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto: talk-nl-boun...@openstreetmap.org] *Namens *Martijn van Exel *Verzonden:* Monday, November 22, 2010 9:48 PM *Aan:* OpenStreetMap NL discussion list *Onderwerp:* Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Handleiding Hoe maak je je eigen tileserver? in het Nederlands - hulp gevraagd! Ik vind dat allemaal heel erg leuke plannen en ideeën! Laten we inderdaad een tileserver-hackfest doen met als uitkomst een (paar) mooie tutorial(s) in het Nederlands. December?! Ambitieus maar misschien mogelijk! Gert, stel jij een paar data voor? Martijn Martijn van Exel +++ m...@rtijn.org laziness – impatience – hubris http://schaaltreinen.nl | http://martijnvanexel.nl | http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes 2010/11/22 Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 22-11-10 19:23, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen schreef: We moeten alleen een kleinere kaart inlezen vanwege de uren… Heb voor een projectje waar Rubke ook bij betrokken was een webinterface gemaakt om dat proces ook te automatiseren. Dus je klikt aan wat je wilt draaien en dan gaat hij zelf downloaden en importeren. Misschien is dat ook wel leuk om te laten zien. Stefan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEAREKAAYFAkzquPIACgkQYH1+F2Rqwn2BpgCfU0VQnfDqJvM0gAyrXQh4q+6k m5cAn2cAb1j9OrcP2266frmqkD94CnI4 =ytWi -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
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On 11/23/2010 9:24 AM, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: [...] Martijn, denk je dat 1 dag genoeg is ? Zo niet, dan plannen we nog een vervolg! Kan jij en ook Stefan zorgen voor de software (als download niet snel genoeg is !) Het grootste dat je moet downloaden is een recente planet (NL-extract) van http://hypercube.telascience.org/planet/planet-nl-latest.osm.gz Als die een dag van tevoren binnengetrokken wordt dan zijn we OK, denk ik. Gert Gremmen - Osm Openstreetmap.nl (alias: cetest) P*Before printing, think about the environment.* *Van:*talk-nl-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-nl-boun...@openstreetmap.org] *Namens *Martijn van Exel *Verzonden:* Monday, November 22, 2010 9:48 PM *Aan:* OpenStreetMap NL discussion list *Onderwerp:* Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Handleiding Hoe maak je je eigen tileserver? in het Nederlands - hulp gevraagd! Ik vind dat allemaal heel erg leuke plannen en ideeën! Laten we inderdaad een tileserver-hackfest doen met als uitkomst een (paar) mooie tutorial(s) in het Nederlands. December?! Ambitieus maar misschien mogelijk! Gert, stel jij een paar data voor? Martijn Martijn van Exel +++ m...@rtijn.org mailto:m...@rtijn.org laziness – impatience – hubris http://schaaltreinen.nl | http://martijnvanexel.nl | http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes 2010/11/22 Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de mailto:ste...@konink.de -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 22-11-10 19:23, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen schreef: We moeten alleen een kleinere kaart inlezen vanwege de uren… Heb voor een projectje waar Rubke ook bij betrokken was een webinterface gemaakt om dat proces ook te automatiseren. Dus je klikt aan wat je wilt draaien en dan gaat hij zelf downloaden en importeren. Misschien is dat ook wel leuk om te laten zien. Stefan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEAREKAAYFAkzquPIACgkQYH1+F2Rqwn2BpgCfU0VQnfDqJvM0gAyrXQh4q+6k m5cAn2cAb1j9OrcP2266frmqkD94CnI4 =ytWi -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl -- Martijn van Exel Senior Researcher / Software Engineer - Geodan SR President Kennedylaan 1 1079 MB Amsterdam (NL) - Tel: +31 (0)20 - 5711 318 Fax: +31 (0)20 - 5711 333 - E-mail: mart...@geodan.nl Website: www.geodan.nl KvK-nummer: 33 247475 Disclaimer: www.geodan.nl/disclaimer - ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Handleiding Hoe maak je je eigen tileserver? in het Nederlands - hulp gevraagd!
De speed is 1Mup/8M down 1:1 Overigens is het natuurlijk veel leuker als je je collega's kan laten zien wat je aan het doen bent. Als het niet teveel werk is neem hem dan mee Gert Gremmen - Openstreetmap.nl (alias: cetest) Before printing, think about the environment. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: talk-nl-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-nl-boun...@openstreetmap.org] Namens Maarten Deen Verzonden: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 9:40 AM Aan: OpenStreetMap NL discussion list Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Handleiding Hoe maak je je eigen tileserver? in het Nederlands - hulp gevraagd! On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 09:24:26 +0100, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote: Aankondiging: Tileserver Hackfest bij ce-test in Rotterdam (Gert Gremmen) Koffie en Thee en Erwtensoep aanwezig. Ik zorg voor een lege server met geheugen en internet. Neem je eigen server mee, als je gelijk mee wilt bouwen. Ik neem aan dat jou internetverbinding voldoende is om naar huis te kunnen telnetten zodat er niet fysiek met servers gesleept hoeft te worden? Groeten, Maarten ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Handleiding Hoe maak je je eigen tiles erver? in het Nederlands - hulp gevraagd!
On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 10:52:54 +0100, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote: De speed is 1Mup/8M down 1:1 Overigens is het natuurlijk veel leuker als je je collega's kan laten zien wat je aan het doen bent. Als het niet teveel werk is neem hem dan mee Het is mijn webserver, dus die laat ik liever thuis staan. En daarbij: meer als wat je met een telnetsessie ziet zie je toch niet. Indien gewenst wil ik natuurlijk wel een groot lettertype configureren ;) En een 15 TFT schermpje kan ik ook nog wel meenemen. Mijn webserver is overigens met Apache. Groeten, Maarten -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: talk-nl-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-nl-boun...@openstreetmap.org] Namens Maarten Deen Verzonden: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 9:40 AM Aan: OpenStreetMap NL discussion list Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Handleiding Hoe maak je je eigen tileserver? in het Nederlands - hulp gevraagd! On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 09:24:26 +0100, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote: Aankondiging: Tileserver Hackfest bij ce-test in Rotterdam (Gert Gremmen) Koffie en Thee en Erwtensoep aanwezig. Ik zorg voor een lege server met geheugen en internet. Neem je eigen server mee, als je gelijk mee wilt bouwen. Ik neem aan dat jou internetverbinding voldoende is om naar huis te kunnen telnetten zodat er niet fysiek met servers gesleept hoeft te worden? Groeten, Maarten ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Handleiding Hoe maak je je eigen tileserver? in het Nederlands - hulp gevraagd!
telnet? ssh! Op 23 november 2010 11:20 schreef Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl het volgende: On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 10:52:54 +0100, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote: De speed is 1Mup/8M down 1:1 Overigens is het natuurlijk veel leuker als je je collega's kan laten zien wat je aan het doen bent. Als het niet teveel werk is neem hem dan mee Het is mijn webserver, dus die laat ik liever thuis staan. En daarbij: meer als wat je met een telnetsessie ziet zie je toch niet. Indien gewenst wil ik natuurlijk wel een groot lettertype configureren ;) En een 15 TFT schermpje kan ik ook nog wel meenemen. Mijn webserver is overigens met Apache. Groeten, Maarten -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: talk-nl-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-nl-boun...@openstreetmap.org] Namens Maarten Deen Verzonden: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 9:40 AM Aan: OpenStreetMap NL discussion list Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Handleiding Hoe maak je je eigen tileserver? in het Nederlands - hulp gevraagd! On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 09:24:26 +0100, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote: Aankondiging: Tileserver Hackfest bij ce-test in Rotterdam (Gert Gremmen) Koffie en Thee en Erwtensoep aanwezig. Ik zorg voor een lege server met geheugen en internet. Neem je eigen server mee, als je gelijk mee wilt bouwen. Ik neem aan dat jou internetverbinding voldoende is om naar huis te kunnen telnetten zodat er niet fysiek met servers gesleept hoeft te worden? Groeten, Maarten ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl -- Groeten, Peter ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Handleiding Hoe maak je je eigen tileserver? in het Nederlands - hulp gevraagd!
Dit is het soort tutorial waar ik naar streef (en waar ik ook veel uit heb geput voor mijn eerste Nederlandse versie): http://weait.com/content/build-your-own-openstreetmap-server Martijn van Exel +++ m...@rtijn.org laziness – impatience – hubris http://schaaltreinen.nl | http://martijnvanexel.nl | http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes 2010/11/23 Peter pe...@haas-en-berg.nl telnet? ssh! Op 23 november 2010 11:20 schreef Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl het volgende: On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 10:52:54 +0100, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote: De speed is 1Mup/8M down 1:1 Overigens is het natuurlijk veel leuker als je je collega's kan laten zien wat je aan het doen bent. Als het niet teveel werk is neem hem dan mee Het is mijn webserver, dus die laat ik liever thuis staan. En daarbij: meer als wat je met een telnetsessie ziet zie je toch niet. Indien gewenst wil ik natuurlijk wel een groot lettertype configureren ;) En een 15 TFT schermpje kan ik ook nog wel meenemen. Mijn webserver is overigens met Apache. Groeten, Maarten -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: talk-nl-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-nl-boun...@openstreetmap.org] Namens Maarten Deen Verzonden: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 9:40 AM Aan: OpenStreetMap NL discussion list Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Handleiding Hoe maak je je eigen tileserver? in het Nederlands - hulp gevraagd! On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 09:24:26 +0100, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote: Aankondiging: Tileserver Hackfest bij ce-test in Rotterdam (Gert Gremmen) Koffie en Thee en Erwtensoep aanwezig. Ik zorg voor een lege server met geheugen en internet. Neem je eigen server mee, als je gelijk mee wilt bouwen. Ik neem aan dat jou internetverbinding voldoende is om naar huis te kunnen telnetten zodat er niet fysiek met servers gesleept hoeft te worden? Groeten, Maarten ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl -- Groeten, Peter ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
[OSM-talk-nl] Steve Coast gaat naar Bing / Bing luchtfoto's komen beschikbaar voor OSM
Steve Coast gaat als 'principal architect' werken bij Bing Maps en heeft meteen een eerste wapenfeit te melden: OSM mag de luchtfoto's van Bing gebruiken voor het verbeteren van de kaart (bijvoorbeeld als onderlegger in JOSM / Potlatch). Potlatch 2 is er al klaar voor, maar we wachten nog op de details voor dit live gaat. In JOSM integreren zou niet zo moeilijk moeten zijn met http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/SlippyMap en http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb259689.aspx Gezien de kwaliteit van deze luchtfoto's betekent dat een enorme stap voor OSM! http://blog.stevecoast.com/im-working-at-microsoft-and-were-donating-ima Martijn van Exel +++ m...@rtijn.org laziness – impatience – hubris http://schaaltreinen.nl | http://martijnvanexel.nl | http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Steve Coast gaat naar Bing / Bing luchtfoto's komen beschikbaar voor OSM
De officiële blog post van Microsoft is er nu ook: http://www.bing.com/community/site_blogs/b/maps/archive/2010/11/23/bing-engages-open-maps-community.aspx Martijn van Exel +++ m...@rtijn.org laziness – impatience – hubris http://schaaltreinen.nl | http://martijnvanexel.nl | http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes 2010/11/23 Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org Steve Coast gaat als 'principal architect' werken bij Bing Maps en heeft meteen een eerste wapenfeit te melden: OSM mag de luchtfoto's van Bing gebruiken voor het verbeteren van de kaart (bijvoorbeeld als onderlegger in JOSM / Potlatch). Potlatch 2 is er al klaar voor, maar we wachten nog op de details voor dit live gaat. In JOSM integreren zou niet zo moeilijk moeten zijn met http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/SlippyMap en http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb259689.aspx Gezien de kwaliteit van deze luchtfoto's betekent dat een enorme stap voor OSM! http://blog.stevecoast.com/im-working-at-microsoft-and-were-donating-ima Martijn van Exel +++ m...@rtijn.org laziness – impatience – hubris http://schaaltreinen.nl | http://martijnvanexel.nl | http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Steve Coast gaat naar Bing / Bing luchtfoto's komen beschikbaar voor OSM
Hoi, 2010/11/23 Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org: Steve Coast gaat als 'principal architect' werken bij Bing Maps en heeft meteen een eerste wapenfeit te melden: OSM mag de luchtfoto's van Bing gebruiken voor het verbeteren van de kaart. Wauw, goed nieuws! Ik heb een en ander aan plannen voor OSM, maar dat zal ik nog wel eens mailen tegen die tijd... Groeten! Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Handleiding Hoe maak je je eigen tileserver? in het Nederlands - hulp gevraagd!
Hallo allen, Is het ook de bedoeling om het op andere versie's van Linux op te zetten. Ik maak zelf veel gebruik van CentOS. Heb hierop al meerdere keren een mapnik omgeving opgezet. Maar helaas blijft het vaak op het niveau van eenmalig een kaartenset opzetten. Mooier en beter is natuurlijk constante update's. Groeten, Peter. ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Handleiding Hoe maak je je eigen tileserver? in het Nederlands - hulp gevraagd!
Kan natuurlijk! tile.openstreetmap.org draai(t|de) ook op CentOS. Ik ben begonnen met Ubuntu server omdat ik dat zelf gebruik op mijn server. Die constante updates bleken trouwens best makkelijk te doen! Martijn Martijn van Exel +++ m...@rtijn.org laziness – impatience – hubris http://schaaltreinen.nl | http://martijnvanexel.nl | http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes 2010/11/23 Peter Peterse pe...@peterse-uithuizen.com Hallo allen, Is het ook de bedoeling om het op andere versie's van Linux op te zetten. Ik maak zelf veel gebruik van CentOS. Heb hierop al meerdere keren een mapnik omgeving opgezet. Maar helaas blijft het vaak op het niveau van eenmalig een kaartenset opzetten. Mooier en beter is natuurlijk constante update's. Groeten, Peter. ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Handleiding Hoe maak je je eigen tileserver? in het Nederlands - hulp gevraagd!
Is het idee om een handleiding voor een auto-updating tileserver te maken in 'standaard projectie' (spherical mercator) of ook in andere tileschema's/projecties, bijvoorbeeld RD. Ik heb wel een tileserver in RD gebouwd, maar niet eentje die automatisch de laatste wijzigingen van OSM trekt en verouderde tiles vervangt. In die laatste stappen ben ik erg geïnteresseerd. groet Steven On Nov 23, 2010, at 9:38 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: Voor het goede begrip: het is dus *niet* het doel om de bestaande setup van tile.openstreetmap.nl / live.openstreetmap.nl te gaan heroverwegen of aanpassen: dat werkt allemaal prima. Wat mij betreft *wel* om de ervaringen daaruit op te nemen in een NL-talige tutorial Hoe bouw ik mijn eigen (live) tileserver. Het zou mooi zijn als we verschillende setups kunnen beschrijven: apache / mod_tile, cherokee en de setup van live.osm.nl, ...? Martijn Martijn van Exel +++ m...@rtijn.org laziness – impatience – hubris http://schaaltreinen.nl | http://martijnvanexel.nl | http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes 2010/11/23 ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl Aankondiging: Tileserver Hackfest bij ce-test in Rotterdam (Gert Gremmen) Koffie en Thee en Erwtensoep aanwezig. Ik zorg voor een lege server met geheugen en internet. Neem je eigen server mee, als je gelijk mee wilt bouwen. Zin om mee te doen ? http://doodle.com/56xavhwu5wz94h35 Doel: Nu eens van scratch off een tile-server opbouwen en gezamenlijk van de ervaringen en inzet een goede tutorial bouwen. Mogelijk kunnen we ook een DVD image met de software samenstellen En wat er nog meer ter desktop komt. Martijn, denk je dat 1 dag genoeg is ? Kan jij en ook Stefan zorgen voor de software (als download niet snel genoeg is !) Gert Gremmen - image001.gif Openstreetmap.nl (alias: cetest) P Before printing, think about the environment. Van: talk-nl-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-nl-boun...@openstreetmap.org] Namens Martijn van Exel Verzonden: Monday, November 22, 2010 9:48 PM Aan: OpenStreetMap NL discussion list Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Handleiding Hoe maak je je eigen tileserver? in het Nederlands - hulp gevraagd! Ik vind dat allemaal heel erg leuke plannen en ideeën! Laten we inderdaad een tileserver-hackfest doen met als uitkomst een (paar) mooie tutorial(s) in het Nederlands. December?! Ambitieus maar misschien mogelijk! Gert, stel jij een paar data voor? Martijn Martijn van Exel +++ m...@rtijn.org laziness – impatience – hubris http://schaaltreinen.nl | http://martijnvanexel.nl | http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes 2010/11/22 Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 22-11-10 19:23, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen schreef: We moeten alleen een kleinere kaart inlezen vanwege de uren… Heb voor een projectje waar Rubke ook bij betrokken was een webinterface gemaakt om dat proces ook te automatiseren. Dus je klikt aan wat je wilt draaien en dan gaat hij zelf downloaden en importeren. Misschien is dat ook wel leuk om te laten zien. Stefan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEAREKAAYFAkzquPIACgkQYH1+F2Rqwn2BpgCfU0VQnfDqJvM0gAyrXQh4q+6k m5cAn2cAb1j9OrcP2266frmqkD94CnI4 =ytWi -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [talk-au] license change map
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: ...Only 1 item is CC-BY-SA which is NearMap who have rights over the (contributed) traced data, LWG intend to have further discussion when the revisions to the Contributor Terms have settled down. Just to clarify this point, the only rights (at least from my understanding of their license, which is NearMaps view) NearMap have over (contributed) traced data is a limitation of licenses the tracer is allowed to distribute the traced data under. NearMap do not have the right to automatically relicense all existing traced data, all they can do is grant the people who traced the option to relicense their traced data. At least from NearMaps view, the tracer owns their traced data, but the tracer may only distribute their traced data to others under CC BY-SA. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] How to tag model railway
In a park there is a set of rails and small trains that pull 2 or 3 carriages that people can sit on. Here are some photos: http://amynaomi.blogspot.com/2010/03/trains.html I have tagged it as railway=narrow_gauge but I don't know if that's correct. Here is the map: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-27.601145lon=151.943326zoom=18layers=M ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] How to tag model railway
On 24 November 2010 07:36, Christoph Donges cdon...@gmail.com wrote: In a park there is a set of rails and small trains that pull 2 or 3 carriages that people can sit on. Here are some photos: http://amynaomi.blogspot.com/2010/03/trains.html I have tagged it as railway=narrow_gauge but I don't know if that's correct. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:railway%3Dminiature ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] How to tag model railway
Thanks. I couldn't find that. On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 1:07 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 24 November 2010 07:36, Christoph Donges cdon...@gmail.com wrote: In a park there is a set of rails and small trains that pull 2 or 3 carriages that people can sit on. Here are some photos: http://amynaomi.blogspot.com/2010/03/trains.html I have tagged it as railway=narrow_gauge but I don't know if that's correct. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:railway%3Dminiature ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] How to tag model railway
On 24 November 2010 13:54, Christoph Donges cdon...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. I couldn't find that. It needs to be added to the railway section of map features, but for what ever reason it was overlooked previously... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [Talk-br] MICROSOFT DOA IMAGENS DE SATELITE AO PROJETO OSM!
Vc se adiantou por alguns segundos, eu já estava copiando e colando a url pra mandar para a lista. :) Vai ser muito fácil fazer os mapas agora :D On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Claudomiro Nascimento Junior claudom...@claudomiro.com wrote: Essa foi a noticia mais FORTE do ano, com certeza http://blog.stevecoast.com/im-working-at-microsoft-and-were-donating-ima ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br -- Ronaldo Maia ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] MICROSOFT DOA IMAGENS DE SATELITE AO PROJETO OSM!
2010/11/23 Ronaldo Maia mai...@gmail.com: Vc se adiantou por alguns segundos, eu já estava copiando e colando a url pra mandar para a lista. :) Vai ser muito fácil fazer os mapas agora :D Os caras do potlatch2 já implementaram suporte, mas esta esperando detalhes legais: http://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/1602/how-can-i-use-microsofts-aerial-imagery-in-potlatch Estou feliz hoje! Espero que as mapas vão ser bem positionadas... -- Johan Dahlin ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-de] Karten Ansicht am PC mit allen eingegebenen Daten?
Hallo Malenki, Das mit osmarender leuchtet mir noch am meisten ein, da die Schüler mit JOSM arbeiten und den Firefox kennen. Das blöde ist, dass ich an meinem Rechner (MAC OS x 10.6 ) es einfach nicht hinbekomme das Plugin mit dem Firefox zusammen arbeiten zu. Der Pfad ist in den Karteneinstellungen richtig angegebenen (/Applications/Firefox.app). Dennoch kommt in JOSM wenn ich osmarender aufrufe die Meldung: Firefox wurde nicht gefunden. bitte geben in den Karteneinstellungen den Pfad zu Firefox ein. Kann ja sein, dass das mal wieder ein MAC spezifisches Problem ist, werde also am Schul PC (Win) das Problem nochmal angehen uns sehen was passiert... Evtl. hat ja jemand noch eine schlauere Idee. GRuß UMAX974 Am 22.11.2010 um 20:28 schrieb malenki: UMAX974 schrieb: JOSM ist das Tool mit dem Sie arbeiten. Das schönste wäre aber, wenn Sie das Ergebnis ihrer Arbeit dann ich einer richtigen Karte am PC zu sehen bekämen, so zu sagen die Früchte ihrer Arbeit. gibt es da eine Lösung? Möglicherweise hilft dir dieses JOSM-Plugin weiter: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/osmarender Wenn die Schüler täglich nach beendeter Arbeit (z.B.) das Gebiet rendern lassen, könnte man aus den einzelnen Bildern ein animiertes Gif erstellen. hth malenki ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Karten Ansicht am PC mit allen eingegebenen Daten?
Hi! UMAX974 wrote: Es müsste das jeweils eingegebene Objekt (ohne Ausnahmen) sichtbar sein, so dass alle von den Schülern eingegebenen Elemente und Wege erkennbar und damit der Fortschritt der Karte dokumentiertbar wird. Und das möglichst so, dass die Schüler selbst diese Dokumentation durchführen können. Wenn Du's schon im Editor brauchst: Map Composer und JOSM. Den Stil kannst Du Dir in Composer wie gehabt grafisch zusammenstellen. Composer kann dann ein JOSM-Layout generieren, der die gewünschten Objekte in JOSM anzeigt. Kein Plugin nötig. Natürlich kannst du Dir so einen JOSM-Stil auch von Hand in XML zusammenfummeln, aber das macht nicht wirklich Spaß. Und wenn Du dann am Schluß eine hübsche Bitmap-Karte brauchst, läßt Du Dir von Composer ein Komsos-Layout erzeugen und renderst es damit. Oder Du läßt Dir eine Garmin-Karte im selben Stil von Composer bauen und gibst sie den Schülern gleich mit auf Ihr GPS. :-) bye Nop -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Karten-Ansicht-am-PC-mit-allen-eingegebenen-Daten-tp5763643p5765834.html Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Zitat aus Archiv in einem Link
Wie kann ich aus dem talk-de-Archiv - einen Tread - einzelne Nachrichten als Link darstellen, um diese Stellen in einer Mail zu zitieren? Wie findet man im Archiv die gewünschte Mail? (da gabs mal einen Thread Spielwiese) Gruss, Markus ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Zitat aus Archiv in einem Link
Markus schrieb am 23.11.2010 09:44: Wie kann ich aus dem talk-de-Archiv - einen Tread - einzelne Nachrichten als Link darstellen, um diese Stellen in einer Mail zu zitieren? Wie findet man im Archiv die gewünschte Mail? (da gabs mal einen Thread Spielwiese) für sowas bietet sich das gmane archiv an: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap.region.de/64085 http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap.region.de/64059/focus=64085 -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Holger ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Lokalisierung und bessere Suche in Taginfo
On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 18:42:51 +0100, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: Außerdem wurde die Suche komplett überarbeitet. Es wird jetzt in Keys und in Values gesucht. Dabei wird eine Prefix-Suche verwendet, d.h. max findet maxspeed, aber nicht betamax. Bestandteile eines Keys oder Values, die durch Doppelpunkt, Leerzeichen oder dergl. getrennt sind, werden einzeln gefunden. Sucht man nach etwas wie =residential (ohne Anführungs- zeichen aber mit dem Gleichheitszeichen), so werden alle values mit residential drin gefunden, gleich welcher Key. Sowas wie highway=residential geht auch. Der einzige kleine Schönheitsfehler, der mir aufgefallen ist, ist, dass Values, die bei mehreren Keys vorkommen, mehrfach in der Ergebnisliste stehen. Man kann zwar den zugehörigen Key recht einfach per Tooltip herausfinden, aber übersichtlicher wäre es, wenn die Keys in irgendeiner Form direkt in der Ergebnisliste ständen. Die Taginfo-Seiten haben eine OpenSearch-Definition, damit kann man die Suche auch einfach in seinem Browser einbauen. Beim Firefox klickt man z.B. das Icon links neben dem Suchfeld oben rechts an und wählt Add Taginfo. Hier ist anzumerken, dass damit das Firefox-eigene Suchfeld gemeint ist und nicht das von Taginfo. Viel Spass beim Ausprobieren! Danke! Matthias ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Zitat aus Archiv in einem Link
Hallo Holger, genau das habe ich gesucht - danke! http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap.region.de/64059/focus=64085 Fürs nächste Mal: In http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap.region.de in Suche den Suchbegriff eingeben, beispielsweise Spielwiese -- bringt eine Liste Aber wie finde ich die Zahl für den Link und den focus? Damit ich den Thread bekomme? Gruss, Markus ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Gebiet abbonieren
Hallo, ich habe irgendwo im Wiki oder hier auf der Liste mal davon gelesen, dass man Gebiete oder Tags abonnieren kann. Ich glaube per RSS-Feed? Allerdings finde ich keine entsprechende Seite mehr ... Hat jemand nen Tipp/Link für mich? Vielen Dank! Tom ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Werden IDs von gelöschten Objekten wi eder vergeben?
Hallo, und noch eine Frage: Wenn ich einen Knoten mit der ID abc lösche, wird die ID abc dann irgendwann an einen neuen Knoten vergeben, oder wird die ID geblacklistet? Danke Tom ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Gebiet abbonieren
auf die schnelle das hier evtl? http://www.itoworld.com/product/osm/ Tom Müller wrote: ich habe irgendwo im Wiki oder hier auf der Liste mal davon gelesen, dass man Gebiete oder Tags abonnieren kann. Ich glaube per RSS-Feed? ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
