Re: [OSM-talk] Bing imagery now available in JOSM
On Thu, 2010-12-02 at 08:52 +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Kenneth, > > On 12/02/2010 04:22 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 13:40 +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: > >> On 12/01/10 13:14, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > >>> this is not an OSM site - where is the OSM viewpoint on this? > >> > >> Whose viewpoint would you like? > > > > your endorsement would be good enough for me > > I'll start tracing some houses on the weekend. I don't foresee any > problems. that is good enough for me -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing imagery now available in JOSM
Kenneth, On 12/02/2010 04:22 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 13:40 +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: On 12/01/10 13:14, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: this is not an OSM site - where is the OSM viewpoint on this? Whose viewpoint would you like? your endorsement would be good enough for me I'll start tracing some houses on the weekend. I don't foresee any problems. Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [josm-dev] Bing imagery now available in JOSM
2010/12/2 David Murn > You are aware that accessing Bing images other than directly through > their API is against the licence? ie. you cannot make an external WMS > layer or rewriter, to give others access non-directly to the API. > > Of course, these restrictions is the main reason for using slippymap plugin functionality instead of WMS proxy. Great performace is just a bonus. However, slippymap plugin is initially designed to show map tiles, not the aerial imagery, therefore so radical solution as merging two plugins into one is needed. -- Best regards, Upliner ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing imagery now available in JOSM
Sebastian Klein wrote: andrzej zaborowski wrote: On 1 December 2010 13:53, Jo wrote: It works great, a bit odd that it's not under WMS that the source needs to be added, but I managed to get it to work. Instead of slippmymap plugin you can use (although it's much slower) the wmsplugin with the following url: html:http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wmsplugin/VirtualEarthSat.html? This method is not approved. We must show the Bing logo and a list of map providers on the map to comply with the terms of use. The wms plugin doesn't show this attribution yet. We'll make an announcement on the josm-dev list when it is ready, but I don't know if anyone is working on it right now... User Upliner has created an Imagery plugin that combines the slippymap and the wms plugin: http://www.mail-archive.com/josm-...@openstreetmap.org/msg04025.html As it supports offset correction for Bing imagery, the javascript method using wmsplugin shouldn't be necessary any more. (Except for Yahoo, which is also included in the new Imagery plugin.) Sebastian ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing imagery now available in JOSM
On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 13:40 +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: > On 12/01/10 13:14, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > this is not an OSM site - where is the OSM viewpoint on this? > > Whose viewpoint would you like? your endorsement would be good enough for me -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing imagery now available in JOSM
On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 14:26 +0200, Nic Roets wrote: > > this is not an OSM site - where is the OSM viewpoint on this? > > > > > It was posted by Steve Coast, Chairman of OSMF and a Microsoft > employee. So > the chances of Microsoft suing us for taking that info at face value > is > zero. > > well the statement of an employee of a company cannot bind the company - I am not taking risks unless I get an official statement with reasons from OSMF. And anyone who trusts microsoft ... -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [josm-dev] Bing imagery now available in JOSM
David, David Murn wrote: This is a scary thought. Does this mean the Bing licence has the same catch as the odbl licence, where 'we may change to any other licence in the future'? Is there any hope of the licence being decided upon and not being changed in the future? Certainly yes and certainly no. First, you cannot change the license in retrospect. So if they allow us to trace the data and contribute it to OSM now under certain terms, they cannot change their mind and have us remove the stuff later. Second, of course they can terminate the agreement at any time (and replace it with something new). From that point on you would not be allowed to trace using the old terms but of course anything already traced under the old terms would remain. So yes, of course "they may change to any other licnese in the future". Should we wait until that stage, to ensure they dont screw us over, and once a big portion of map data is bing-derived, claim they own all derived works for themselves, which as its all tagged as coming from bing, they'd be legally entitled to do so. I think we've learned our lesson from the past. We will only accept data sources that are compatible with our contributor terms, ensuring that data once contributed remains in OSM, no matter what we (or the data provider) do. It does sort of surprise me that licences can be drawn up for Bing in a matter of days (over a holiday weekend), but the odbl and CTs still cant reach agreement after (apparently) how many years since they were introduced. It shows that if you really want things to happen, they can. There are too many differences between both situations to enumerate here. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [josm-dev] Bing imagery now available in JOSM
On 2 December 2010 00:58, David Murn wrote: > On Thu, 2010-12-02 at 01:29 +0300, Upliner wrote: >> Imagery plugin which combines wmsplugin and slippymap plugin is now >> available. It's in experimental stage and there is some questions >> about future of these plugins, however tracing the Bing imagery with >> offset correction seems to work well. > > You are aware that accessing Bing images other than directly through > their API is against the licence? I think that host's license would then apply, not the license given to OSM by SteveC on the blog. > ie. you cannot make an external WMS > layer or rewriter, to give others access non-directly to the API. Not under that license, but there's no reason the plugin would need to do that. Cheers ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [josm-dev] Bing imagery now available in JOSM
On Thu, 2010-12-02 at 01:29 +0300, Upliner wrote: > Imagery plugin which combines wmsplugin and slippymap plugin is now > available. It's in experimental stage and there is some questions > about future of these plugins, however tracing the Bing imagery with > offset correction seems to work well. You are aware that accessing Bing images other than directly through their API is against the licence? ie. you cannot make an external WMS layer or rewriter, to give others access non-directly to the API. On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 13:07 +0100, Sebastian Klein wrote: > > > and it is legal to use it? > > Yes, see http://opengeodata.org/microsoft-imagery-details. > > Richard Fairhurst, seems to be in closer contact with the people from MS > and there may be minor revisions, but these are basically the terms we have. This is a scary thought. Does this mean the Bing licence has the same catch as the odbl licence, where 'we may change to any other licence in the future'? Is there any hope of the licence being decided upon and not being changed in the future? Should we wait until that stage, to ensure they dont screw us over, and once a big portion of map data is bing-derived, claim they own all derived works for themselves, which as its all tagged as coming from bing, they'd be legally entitled to do so. It does sort of surprise me that licences can be drawn up for Bing in a matter of days (over a holiday weekend), but the odbl and CTs still cant reach agreement after (apparently) how many years since they were introduced. It shows that if you really want things to happen, they can. David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New phrase in section 2
On 12/01/2010 11:40 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, fx99 wrote: 2 Rights granted. Subject to Section 3 and 4 below, You hereby grant to OSMF and any party that receives Your Contents a worldwide, . can somebody explain to me, who is meant by "any party that receives Your Contents" ? Would that not simply be anyone who e.g. downloads "your contents" from the OSMF servers? How does this grant interact with 3? Without 3 it would effectively PD the data wouldn't it? I appreciate that the DbCl effectively does this as well, and that in both cases the ODbL is what adds the share-alike; I'm just checking. ;-) - Rob. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [josm-dev] Bing imagery now available in JOSM
* Iván Sánchez Ortega [2010-12-02 00:30 +0100]: > A question, however: for WMS layers, would it be possible to automatically > change the resolution of the loaded tiles, in a way similar to the slippymap > tiles? This would be great as a default behavior, but it would be nice to have an option (on the layer's right-click menu, maybe?) to disable auto-zooming. I sometimes use the USGS's DRG WMS, which changes the topo maps that it shows you based on the zoom level. I occasionally have to use that WMS zoomed out a bit because the layer it would give me at the zoom level where I'm working would be wrong. -- ...computer contrarian of the first order... / http://aperiodic.net/phil/ PGP: 026A27F2 print: D200 5BDB FC4B B24A 9248 9F7A 4322 2D22 026A 27F2 --- -- The artist deals with what cannot be said in words. The artist whose medium is fiction does this _in words_. The novelist says in words what cannot be said in words. -- Ursula K. Le Guin --- -- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New phrase in section 2
Hi, fx99 wrote: 2 Rights granted. Subject to Section 3 and 4 below, You hereby grant to OSMF and any party that receives Your Contents a worldwide, . can somebody explain to me, who is meant by "any party that receives Your Contents" ? Would that not simply be anyone who e.g. downloads "your contents" from the OSMF servers? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [josm-dev] Bing imagery now available in JOSM
On Wednesday 01 December 2010 23:29:50 Upliner wrote: > Imagery plugin which combines wmsplugin and slippymap plugin is now > available. Yeah, it works. A question, however: for WMS layers, would it be possible to automatically change the resolution of the loaded tiles, in a way similar to the slippymap tiles? Best, -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega http://ivan.sanchezortega.es MSN:i_eat_s_p_a_m_for_breakf...@hotmail.com Jabber:ivansanc...@jabber.org ; ivansanc...@kdetalk.net IRC: ivansanchez @ OFTC & freenode ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [josm-dev] Bing imagery now available in JOSM
Imagery plugin which combines wmsplugin and slippymap plugin is now available. It's in experimental stage and there is some questions about future of these plugins, however tracing the Bing imagery with offset correction seems to work well. -- Best regards, Upliner ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] New Community Updates Newsletter
Hi everybody, just wanted to announce the new issue of the 'Community Updates' newsletter by EMerzh http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Community_Updates/2010-11-22 regards Matthias ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing imagery now available in JOSM
Felix Hartmann wrote: > Is source=bing verified? > Else it is pretty bad to start mapping As already posted, there is no formal requirement in the Bing licence to use a source tag, but it's good OSM practice anyway. FWIW Potlatch 2 has "source=Bing" as the preset tag. Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Bing-imagery-now-available-in-JOSM-tp5791483p5792577.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing imagery now available in JOSM
On 01.12.2010 13:59, Martijn van Exel wrote: Adding source tags never hurts. I believe source=bing is what is sort of agreed upon. Is source=bing verified? Else it is pretty bad to start mapping ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing imagery now available in JOSM
andrzej zaborowski wrote: On 1 December 2010 14:55, Sebastian Klein wrote: andrzej zaborowski wrote: On 1 December 2010 13:53, Jo wrote: It works great, a bit odd that it's not under WMS that the source needs to be added, but I managed to get it to work. Instead of slippmymap plugin you can use (although it's much slower) the wmsplugin with the following url: html:http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wmsplugin/VirtualEarthSat.html? This method is not approved. We must show the Bing logo and a list of map providers on the map to comply with the terms of use. The wms plugin doesn't show this attribution yet. But the javascript in the file overlays the logo and the attribution information. In effect it shows exactly the information that slippymap plugin and Potlatch 2 show. Actually I didn't see that at first because at some zoom levels you can load a large area (full screen) without any attribution shown. I created a bug report for this: https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/5685 We still need to provide a hyperlink to the Terms of Use, but that shouldn't be so hard. Sebastian ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-cl] Foss4g in CHILE
+1 Julio Costa OpenStreetMap Chile http://www.openstreetmap.cl/ On 1 December 2010 10:51, Patricio Cifuentes Ithal wrote: > Hi!, > Count me and SIIGSA for any things > > Patricio Cifuentes Ithal > Ingeniero en Informática > Unidad de Informática > Fono : 02 - 334 73 69 > www.siigsa.cl > > -Mensaje original- > De: talk-cl-boun...@openstreetmap.org > [mailto:talk-cl-boun...@openstreetmap.org] En nombre de César Medina > Enviado el: martes, 30 de noviembre de 2010 22:35 > Para: spanish lists.osgeo.org; talk-cl openstreetmap; > geoserver-us...@lists.sourceforge.net; talk@openstreetmap.org > Asunto: [Talk-cl] Foss4g in CHILE > > > Hi all, how are you? As some already know, I am in the early organization > of > the 1st FOSS4G event in Chile, in conjunction with a university here in > santiago of Chile, that will be held in march 2011,for this, I need some > cooperation in particular issues, at least for those who are here in Chile, > need use cases or workshops: > -gvsig-geoserver-mapserver-postgresql-postgis > Within the next few weeks we should be launching the program, the web and > more. For those who dare to cooperate on any issue, please contact me > either > on the list or my personal email ciesaremedina (at) gmail (dot) com > best regards Cesar msn ciesaremedina (at) hotmail (dot) com > gmail ciesaremedina (at) gmail (dot) com skype ciesare_medina twitter > @ciesaremedina > > ___ > Talk-cl mailing list > talk...@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cl > > -- > Este mensaje ha sido analizado por MailScanner > en busca de virus y otros contenidos peligrosos, > y se considera que está limpio. > > > -- > Este mensaje ha sido analizado por MailScanner > en busca de virus y otros contenidos peligrosos, > y se considera que está limpio. > > > ___ > Talk-cl mailing list > talk...@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cl > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] some interesting points from the bing license
- Original Message - From: "Anthony" To: "Licensing and other legal discussions." Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] some interesting points from the bing license On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 6:34 AM, David Groom wrote: Whereabouts is the "prior written consent from Microsoft" which would enable us to trace and thus create derivative works? David [1] http://opengeodata.org/microsoft-imagery-details Isn't http://opengeodata.org/microsoft-imagery-details the "prior written consent from Microsoft". I'm not sure it is, or certainly if it is enough. 1) I don't actually see anywhere where it says you can derive works from the imagery. 2) In fact what you CAN do is specified very little, the agreement has far more about what you CANT do. 3) Its not even clear to me that [1] applies to end users, ie those who are using Potlatch, JOSM etc, the agreement in [1] seems much more applicable to the developers of Potlatch etc 4) Given that document [2] IS very clear that you cant create derivative works, if document [1] is intended to give the written consent then I think it need's to do so in a clear and unambiguous manner. David ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing imagery now available in JOSM
On 1 December 2010 14:55, Sebastian Klein wrote: > andrzej zaborowski wrote: >> On 1 December 2010 13:53, Jo wrote: >>> >>> It works great, a bit odd that it's not under WMS that the source needs >>> to >>> be added, but I managed to get it to work. >> >> Instead of slippmymap plugin you can use (although it's much slower) >> the wmsplugin with the following url: >> >> html:http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wmsplugin/VirtualEarthSat.html? > > This method is not approved. We must show the Bing logo and a list of map > providers on the map to comply with the terms of use. The wms plugin doesn't > show this attribution yet. But the javascript in the file overlays the logo and the attribution information. In effect it shows exactly the information that slippymap plugin and Potlatch 2 show. Cheers ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing imagery now available in JOSM
andrzej zaborowski wrote: On 1 December 2010 13:53, Jo wrote: It works great, a bit odd that it's not under WMS that the source needs to be added, but I managed to get it to work. Instead of slippmymap plugin you can use (although it's much slower) the wmsplugin with the following url: html:http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wmsplugin/VirtualEarthSat.html? This method is not approved. We must show the Bing logo and a list of map providers on the map to comply with the terms of use. The wms plugin doesn't show this attribution yet. We'll make an announcement on the josm-dev list when it is ready, but I don't know if anyone is working on it right now... Sebastian ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [josm-dev] Bing imagery now available in JOSM
Hello all. I'm currently working on combination of wmsplugin and slippymap plugin. It would be called "imagery" plugin and I plan to publish the first version within next several hours. 2010/12/1 Viesturs Zariņš > What about offset correction? > This is pretty important in some areas. > > -- Best regards, Upliner ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing imagery now available in JOSM
Am Mittwoch 01 Dezember 2010 schrieb Jo: > It works great, a bit odd that it's not under WMS that the source > needs to be added, but I managed to get it to work. > > So now i'm mapping all those rivers/streams and the landuses that are > almost impossible to accomplish otherwise. Should I add source tags > to all the elements I'm tracing from Bing imagery? What about the > landuses that I'm modifying? Is the source mixed then? > > Jo Have you used the slippy map plug-in as advised by Sebastion? I'm not able to see the images in the overlay. Can you please publish your steps? Heinz ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing imagery now available in JOSM
On 1 December 2010 13:53, Jo wrote: > It works great, a bit odd that it's not under WMS that the source needs to > be added, but I managed to get it to work. Instead of slippmymap plugin you can use (although it's much slower) the wmsplugin with the following url: html:http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wmsplugin/VirtualEarthSat.html? This lets you move the imagery if there's an offset, and you can also download the file to your .josm directory and use it locally. You can then hardcode an offset in the file so you don't have to do it every time (there's an example commented out in the file). As a band-aid I'm thinking of just hardcoding inside that file the offsets for cities that are already known. Another idea is hosting a simple text file containing all the offsets on a site like collabedit.com so that everyone can edit it. The html file could just load the file with the offsets dynamically. Unfortunately collabedit is way too slow for anything like that. > > So now i'm mapping all those rivers/streams and the landuses that are almost > impossible to accomplish otherwise. Should I add source tags to all the > elements I'm tracing from Bing imagery? What about the landuses that I'm > modifying? Is the source mixed then? The source tag is a form of documenting what precision can be expected, so probably common sense applies, there isn't a good rule. Cheers ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing imagery now available in JOSM
Am Mittwoch 01 Dezember 2010 schrieb Jo: > It works great, a bit odd that it's not under WMS that the source > needs to be added, but I managed to get it to work. > > So now i'm mapping all those rivers/streams and the landuses that are > almost impossible to accomplish otherwise. Should I add source tags > to all the elements I'm tracing from Bing imagery? What about the > landuses that I'm modifying? Is the source mixed then? > > Jo Have you used the slippy map plug-in as advised by Sebastion? I'm not able to see the images in the overlay. Can you please publish your steps? Heinz ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing imagery now available in JOSM
Adding source tags never hurts. I believe source=bing is what is sort of agreed upon. Martijn van Exel +++ m...@rtijn.org laziness – impatience – hubris http://schaaltreinen.nl | http://martijnvanexel.nl | http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Jo wrote: > It works great, a bit odd that it's not under WMS that the source needs to > be added, but I managed to get it to work. > > So now i'm mapping all those rivers/streams and the landuses that are > almost impossible to accomplish otherwise. Should I add source tags to all > the elements I'm tracing from Bing imagery? What about the landuses that I'm > modifying? Is the source mixed then? > > Jo > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing imagery now available in JOSM
It works great, a bit odd that it's not under WMS that the source needs to be added, but I managed to get it to work. So now i'm mapping all those rivers/streams and the landuses that are almost impossible to accomplish otherwise. Should I add source tags to all the elements I'm tracing from Bing imagery? What about the landuses that I'm modifying? Is the source mixed then? Jo ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing imagery now available in JOSM
Hi, On 12/01/10 13:14, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: this is not an OSM site - where is the OSM viewpoint on this? Whose viewpoint would you like? Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing imagery now available in JOSM
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 13:07 +0100, Sebastian Klein wrote: > > Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > > On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 12:26 +0100, Sebastian Klein wrote: > > >> thanks to fast development by Ian Dees, Bing imagery can now be > > used > > >> in > > >> JOSM. > > > > > > and it is legal to use it? > > > > Yes, see http://opengeodata.org/microsoft-imagery-details. > > > > Richard Fairhurst, seems to be in closer contact with the people from > > MS > > and there may be minor revisions, but these are basically the terms we > > have. > > > > > > this is not an OSM site - where is the OSM viewpoint on this? > It was posted by Steve Coast, Chairman of OSMF and a Microsoft employee. So the chances of Microsoft suing us for taking that info at face value is zero. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing imagery now available in JOSM
On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 13:07 +0100, Sebastian Klein wrote: > Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 12:26 +0100, Sebastian Klein wrote: > >> thanks to fast development by Ian Dees, Bing imagery can now be > used > >> in > >> JOSM. > > > > and it is legal to use it? > > Yes, see http://opengeodata.org/microsoft-imagery-details. > > Richard Fairhurst, seems to be in closer contact with the people from > MS > and there may be minor revisions, but these are basically the terms we > have. > > this is not an OSM site - where is the OSM viewpoint on this? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing imagery now available in JOSM
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 12:26 +0100, Sebastian Klein wrote: thanks to fast development by Ian Dees, Bing imagery can now be used in JOSM. and it is legal to use it? Yes, see http://opengeodata.org/microsoft-imagery-details. Richard Fairhurst, seems to be in closer contact with the people from MS and there may be minor revisions, but these are basically the terms we have. Some details are discussed on josm-dev and the legal list. Sebastian ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bing imagery now available in JOSM
On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 12:26 +0100, Sebastian Klein wrote: > thanks to fast development by Ian Dees, Bing imagery can now be used > in > JOSM. and it is legal to use it? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Bing imagery now available in JOSM
Hi, thanks to fast development by Ian Dees, Bing imagery can now be used in JOSM. You'll need the latest version of josm (3688) ( http://josm.openstreetmap.de/download/josm-snapshot-3688.jar ) and an updated version of the slippy map plugin. Then go to Preferences (F12) > Slippy map and choose "Bing Aerial Maps" as Tile Source. Have fun! Sebastian PS: In case you don't know, it's up and running in Potlatch 2 for some time already. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] routing across open spaces
On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 00:00 -0500, Anthony wrote: > Alternatively, I guess it wouldn't be horrible to add something like a > highway=shortcut tag, so mappers could be explicit about it. If we've > gotta add foot=permissive by hand anyway, it's not that much more work > to add a few extra ways. I think you may be onto something there. If you added a highway or footway tag to the area, to explicitly show routability, then routers may be more able to use it reliably. Another thought that comes to mind is that routing normally occurs from node to node, so if a triangle area was formed with 3 nodes, a routing engine couldnt generate a route that crosses through the middle, as a routing engine will only route from one node to another on the same way, or that shares a junction. You could get around this by adding footways into the park area, and then convince the routing engine authors to recognize a highway (or footway) tag on an area. David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
