[OSM-talk] Character problems in webinterface

[Matthias Meißer]

Hi,

I tried to contact this user
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Klokan%20Petr%20P%C5%99idal/diary/12732/newcomment
but unfortunatly if I want to send a PM or reply to his diary, I get the 
message that the user doesn't exist.


I tried FF3 and IE9 on a WinXP SP3 (GER). Is it a problem of my 
configuration or a general one?


Matthias

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[OSM-talk] How deep into mapping are you?

[Steve Chilton]

I am on a bit of mission to get traditional cartographers and associations to 
encompass all the fantastic new mapping that is being produced by so-called 
neocartographers, which includes many folk working in the osm project and/or 
with the osm and other open data.

To this end I am submitting a proposal to the International Cartographic 
Association for a new Commission in Neocartography.
YOU could contribute as a member, contributor, observer or supporter (my 
terminology, not ICAs).
http://www.soc.org.uk/neocartography/

It has the approval of the UKCartoCommittee (who sponsor proposals with 
UK-nominated Chairs) and will be submitted in the next couple of weeks, for 
approval at the ICA conference in Paris early this summer. There is a nominated 
Vice-Chair, which is Manuela Schmidt - who is very involved in the organising 
team for SOTM-EU. Several folk have already indicated their support. Supporters 
do not have to be in academia, but just interested and involved in the wider 
world of mapping and geodata.
http://www.soc.org.uk/neocartography/supporters.htm

Have a look at the proposal. If appropriate I'd like to add YOU as a supporter 
(no commitment).
If you think you might be interested then please contact me.

Cheers
STEVE


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[OSM-talk] Problems setting up Osmosis and Postgres SQL

[Pelle Svensson]

Hi,

I'm doing something wrong when I try to configure Postgres SQL DB 
with osmosis-SNAPSHOT-r25162.

I get ERROR: permission denied for relation schema_info


Database setup on Fedora 14 64-bit:


sudo -u postgres psql
  
CREATE USER osm
create database osm;
GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON DATABASE osm TO osm;  
q\
   
sudo -u postgres createlang plpgsql osm
sudo -u postgres psql -d osm -f /usr/share/pgsql/contrib/postgis-64.sql
sudo -u postgres psql -d osm -f /usr/share/pgsql/contrib/hstore.sql
sudo -u postgres psql -d osm -f /tmp/pgsnapshot_schema_0.6.sql

Error:

JAVACMD_OPTIONS="-Djava.io.tmpdir=/home/pelle/temp" osmosis --read-xml 
file="switzerland.osm" --write-pgsql user="osm" database="osm"
Feb 3, 2011 5:23:04 PM org.openstreetmap.osmosis.core.Osmosis run
INFO: Osmosis Version SNAPSHOT-r25162
Feb 3, 2011 5:23:05 PM org.openstreetmap.osmosis.core.Osmosis run
INFO: Preparing pipeline.
Feb 3, 2011 5:23:05 PM org.openstreetmap.osmosis.core.Osmosis run
INFO: Launching pipeline execution.
Feb 3, 2011 5:23:05 PM org.openstreetmap.osmosis.core.Osmosis run
INFO: Pipeline executing, waiting for completion.
Feb 3, 2011 5:24:31 PM 
org.springframework.beans.factory.xml.XmlBeanDefinitionReader 
loadBeanDefinitions
INFO: Loading XML bean definitions from class path resource 
[org/springframework/jdbc/support/sql-error-codes.xml]
Feb 3, 2011 5:24:31 PM org.springframework.jdbc.support.SQLErrorCodesFactory 

INFO: SQLErrorCodes loaded: [DB2, Derby, H2, HSQL, Informix, MS-SQL, MySQL, 
Oracle, PostgreSQL, Sybase]
Feb 3, 2011 5:24:31 PM 
org.openstreetmap.osmosis.core.pipeline.common.ActiveTaskManager 
waitForCompletion
SEVERE: Thread for task 1-read-xml failed
org.springframework.jdbc.BadSqlGrammarException: StatementCallback; bad SQL 
grammar [SELECT version FROM schema_info]; nested exception is 
org.postgresql.util.PSQLException: ERROR: permission denied for relation 
schema_info
at 
org.springframework.jdbc.support.SQLStateSQLExceptionTranslator.doTranslate(SQLStateSQLExceptionTranslator.java:98)
at 
org.springframework.jdbc.support.AbstractFallbackSQLExceptionTranslator.translate(AbstractFallbackSQLExceptionTranslator.java:72)
at 
org.springframework.jdbc.support.AbstractFallbackSQLExceptionTranslator.translate(AbstractFallbackSQLExceptionTranslator.java:80)
at 
org.springframework.jdbc.support.AbstractFallbackSQLExceptionTranslator.translate(AbstractFallbackSQLExceptionTranslator.java:80)
at org.springframework.jdbc.core.JdbcTemplate.execute(JdbcTemplate.java:406)
at org.springframework.jdbc.core.JdbcTemplate.query(JdbcTemplate.java:455)
at org.springframework.jdbc.core.JdbcTemplate.query(JdbcTemplate.java:463)
at 
org.springframework.jdbc.core.JdbcTemplate.queryForObject(JdbcTemplate.java:471)
at 
org.springframework.jdbc.core.JdbcTemplate.queryForObject(JdbcTemplate.java:476)
at 
org.springframework.jdbc.core.JdbcTemplate.queryForInt(JdbcTemplate.java:485)
at 
org.springframework.jdbc.core.simple.SimpleJdbcTemplate.queryForInt(SimpleJdbcTemplate.java:113)
at 
org.openstreetmap.osmosis.pgsnapshot.common.SchemaVersionValidator.validateDBVersion(SchemaVersionValidator.java:64)
at 
org.openstreetmap.osmosis.pgsnapshot.common.SchemaVersionValidator.validateVersion(SchemaVersionValidator.java:47)
at 
org.openstreetmap.osmosis.pgsnapshot.v0_6.impl.CopyFilesetLoader.run(CopyFilesetLoader.java:78)
at 
org.openstreetmap.osmosis.pgsnapshot.v0_6.PostgreSqlCopyWriter.complete(PostgreSqlCopyWriter.java:108)
at org.openstreetmap.osmosis.xml.v0_6.XmlReader.run(XmlReader.java:110)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:636)
Caused by: org.postgresql.util.PSQLException: ERROR: permission denied for 
relation schema_info
at 
org.postgresql.core.v3.QueryExecutorImpl.receiveErrorResponse(QueryExecutorImpl.java:2062)
at 
org.postgresql.core.v3.QueryExecutorImpl.processResults(QueryExecutorImpl.java:1795)
at 
org.postgresql.core.v3.QueryExecutorImpl.execute(QueryExecutorImpl.java:257)
at 
org.postgresql.jdbc2.AbstractJdbc2Statement.execute(AbstractJdbc2Statement.java:479)
at 
org.postgresql.jdbc2.AbstractJdbc2Statement.executeWithFlags(AbstractJdbc2Statement.java:353)
at 
org.postgresql.jdbc2.AbstractJdbc2Statement.executeQuery(AbstractJdbc2Statement.java:252)
at 
org.apache.commons.dbcp.DelegatingStatement.executeQuery(DelegatingStatement.java:208)
at 
org.apache.commons.dbcp.DelegatingStatement.executeQuery(DelegatingStatement.java:208)
at 
org.springframework.jdbc.core.JdbcTemplate$1QueryStatementCallback.doInStatement(JdbcTemplate.java:440)
at org.springframework.jdbc.core.JdbcTemplate.execute(JdbcTemplate.java:395)
... 12 more
Feb 3, 2011 5:24:31 PM org.openstreetmap.osmosis.core.Osmosis main
SEVERE: Execution aborted.
org.openstreetmap.osmosis.core.OsmosisRuntimeException: One or more tasks 
failed.
at 
org.openstreetmap.osmosis.core.pipeline.common.Pipeline.waitForCompletion(Pipeline.java:146)

[OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

[Steve Coast]

http://www.bing.com/community/site_blogs/b/maps/archive/2011/02/03/automatic
ally-detect-roads-with-bing-aerial-imagery.aspx

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Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

[Dermot McNally]

On Thursday, 3 February 2011, Steve Coast  wrote:
> http://www.bing.com/community/site_blogs/b/maps/archive/2011/02/03/automatically-detect-roads-with-bing-aerial-imagery.aspx

Ooh! Just what I've always wanted.

[goes off to play with it]

Dermot

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Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

[Stefan de Konink]

On Thu, 3 Feb 2011, Steve Coast wrote:


http://www.bing.com/community/site_blogs/b/maps/archive/2011/02/03/automatic
ally-detect-roads-with-bing-aerial-imagery.aspx


After toying with markov models and viterbi for image tracing maybe we 
could do the same for _all_ GPX tracks that OpenStreetMap has stored.


http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapgenerator


The integration of both would allow automatic map generation, where 
the user only lacks the streetnames. Since streetname recognition was a 
project in OSM/Summer of Code 2009, this problem is also solved:


http://code.google.com/p/signfinder/


Lets not stop with Youtube movies...


Stefan

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Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

[Jean-Marc Liotier]

Steve Coast wrote:

http://www.bing.com/community/site_blogs/b/maps/archive/2011/02/03/automatically-detect-roads-with-bing-aerial-imagery.aspx


Very interesting. I wonder how it relates to the research I had cited at 
 http://www.mail-archive.com/talk@openstreetmap.org/msg25869.html - I'm 
eager to read about its development.


I hope it won't be as flawed as the the partial mapping of a seemingly 
random subset of the grid that Google has been churning out in remote 
areas... But even if the result is imperfect, it will be a welcome help 
to kickstart manual mapping of virgin areas - thank you !


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Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

[Jean-Marc Liotier]

Stefan de Konink wrote:


After toying with markov models and viterbi for image tracing maybe we 
could do the same for _all_ GPX tracks that OpenStreetMap has stored.


Or maybe just the not-too-noisy ones... But I guess that tracks that 
jump too erratically around a mean vector can be filtered out - though 
that would reject about everything from urban areas.



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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA / Non-separatable combination of OSM+other

[Jonathan Harley]

On 03/02/11 14:23, Anthony wrote:

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 5:23 AM, Jonathan Harley  wrote:

On 03/02/11 04:21, Anthony wrote:

On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Jonathan Harleywrote:

I think we may have differing interpretations of the intent of the
license.
Mine is that the license is supposed to allow people to use the map in a
variety of ways, online and in print, so long as any new data is open and
OSM is attributed; not that it was intended to prevent people from
creating
works in which not all elements are free.

I'm not sure where you're getting that "interpretation" from.

I'm partly guided by the idea that the ODbL is supposed to provide a better
expression of the same intent. I've always understood that the intent of the
ODbL was not to change the spirit of OSM licensing, just to clarify it.

Whose intent are we talking about, here?


The OSMF, I suppose, since they're driving the change.


   The intent of some may have
been to use CC-BY-SA as though it were not a copyleft license (*), but
I seriously doubt that was the intention of most of us.

(*) To wit, Cloudmade seems to use it that way.



I assume you're referring to the fact that Cloudmade's tiles are not 
released as CC-BY-SA but "Copyright Cloudmade", which I take as evidence 
that simply rendering OSM's data is not considered altering, 
transforming, or building upon OSM.



   The
license doesn't even mention "data", and attribution is not enough.

OSM applies the license to data - the license attribution it requests
specifically mentions "Map data".

Again, who wrote the license attribution request?  Not me.  In fact,
I'm not even sure what license attribution request you're talking
about.  If you mean the one in the slippy map, I consider that to be
incorrect.  The entire work must be CC-BY-SA, not just the data.



http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright - if you think it's incorrect, 
you should probably take that up with the OSMF, which is the publisher 
of www.openstreetmap.org (so one can assume that the website represents 
the OSMF's view).



Peter's right that 10 amateurs discussing interpretations isn't worth 1
legal professional.

Depends who the amateurs are.  The interpretation of a single legal
professional is fairly worthless, unless you've paid that legal
professional for advice.


Absolutely. No doubt Cloudmade have done so, and Peter has said that he 
will do at some stage. If I ever want to publish non-PD data on top of 
an OSM map I will certainly do that too.



Jonathan.

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Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

[Nic Roets]

Steve,

Another thing that Bing can help us with is determining address ranges
of roads. For example, when you spider the web and find references to
5, 20 and 48 Lion Street, Pretoria, then it may help the user who is
mapping that street. Perhaps it's a cul de sac and now he doesn't need
to travel all the way down it to see where the range ends.

A little bit of care will be needed to suppress databases that may be
legally protected. But I can't see any problem if you extract 1
address per website.

Regards,
Nic

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Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

[Richard Weait]

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Steve Coast  wrote:
> http://www.bing.com/community/site_blogs/b/maps/archive/2011/02/03/automatically-detect-roads-with-bing-aerial-imagery.aspx

That's really neat.

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Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

[Richard Weait]

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Nic Roets  wrote:
> A little bit of care will be needed to suppress databases that may be
> legally protected. But I can't see any problem if you extract 1
> address per website.

I can see a problem with that idea.

"I only infringed a little bit" is still infringing.  "I only
infringed a little bit, systematically, over a long period of time" is
asking for trouble.  To detect that a source is "protected" and still
choose to infringe sounds like an exquisitely bad idea.  Don't use
sources without permission.

Best regards,
Richard

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA / Non-separatable combination of OSM+other

[Anthony]

   The
 license doesn't even mention "data", and attribution is not enough.
>>>
>>> OSM applies the license to data - the license attribution it requests
>>> specifically mentions "Map data".
>>
>> Again, who wrote the license attribution request?  Not me.  In fact,
>> I'm not even sure what license attribution request you're talking
>> about.  If you mean the one in the slippy map, I consider that to be
>> incorrect.  The entire work must be CC-BY-SA, not just the data.
>>
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright - if you think it's incorrect, you
> should probably take that up with the OSMF, which is the publisher of
> www.openstreetmap.org (so one can assume that the website represents the
> OSMF's view).

OSMF is entitled to any view it wants.  But OSMF does not own the OSM database.

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Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

[Nic Roets]

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Richard Weait  wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Nic Roets  wrote:
>> A little bit of care will be needed to suppress databases that may be
>> legally protected. But I can't see any problem if you extract 1
>> address per website.
>
> I can see a problem with that idea.
>
> "I only infringed a little bit" is still infringing.

My understanding is that extracting a single fact from a single source
is always legal (in the US, in the UK, everywhere). Journalists
extracts small amounts of facts from many individual sources all day
long and rarely get into trouble.

If we extract only 1 address per website, the vast majority of those
pages will be home pages and business websites. People who would
approve of what we are doing if it is brought to their attention. So
it's a symbiotic relationship.

Google's idea of "a little bit of care" is simply to honor robots.txt,
spider with an obvious user agent and adherence to a few web
standards. And there is a word for people with disapprove of this
practice: Copyright Troll.

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA / Non-separatable combination of OSM+other

[Richard Fairhurst]

Jonathan Harley wrote:
>On 03/02/11 14:23, Anthony wrote:
>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 5:23 AM, Jonathan Harley 
>> wrote:
>>> OSM applies the license to data - the license attribution it requests
>>> specifically mentions "Map data".
>>
>> Again, who wrote the license attribution request?  Not me.  In fact,
>> I'm not even sure what license attribution request you're talking
>> about.  If you mean the one in the slippy map, I consider that to be
>> incorrect.  The entire work must be CC-BY-SA, not just the data.
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright - if you think it's incorrect, 
> you should probably take that up with the OSMF, which is the publisher 
> of www.openstreetmap.org (so one can assume that the website 
> represents the OSMF's view).

You are, once again, misunderstanding.

The cited webpage says:

"If you are using OpenStreetMap map images, we request that your credit
reads at least '© OpenStreetMap contributors, CC-BY-SA'. If you are using
map data only, we request 'Map data © OpenStreetMap contributors,
CC-BY-SA'."

That is perfectly correct. If you build (say) your own rendering using OSM
map data, then only the map data is (c) OpenStreetMap contributors. The
added value of the rendering is not (c) OpenStreetMap contributors. OSM's
contributors can ask you to credit them in a particular way for the data,
and you have to maintain that in any credit given with the rendering, but
you may of course request your own credit for the added value. That is what
the above says.

However, the rendering _is_ still subject to CC-BY-SA. That is made
perfectly clear on the cited page ("If you... build upon our... data, you
may distribute the result only under the same licence"); in the CC
"human-readable" terms; and the CC legal code.

Richard


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Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

[Serge Wroclawski]

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Nic Roets  wrote:

>> "I only infringed a little bit" is still infringing.
>
> My understanding is that extracting a single fact from a single source
> is always legal (in the US, in the UK, everywhere).

Unfortunately in our case, the distinction between a single small fact
and systematically copying data from one database to another is very
thin, and we want to prevent both infringement and the appearance of
infringement.

> Journalists
> extracts small amounts of facts from many individual sources all day
> long and rarely get into trouble.

But those times when they do get in trouble, it's costly. For this
community, costly could hurt the project in a severe way.

> If we extract only 1 address per website, the vast majority of those
> pages will be home pages and business websites. People who would
> approve of what we are doing if it is brought to their attention. So
> it's a symbiotic relationship.

That's not quite the same as what I read in your original proposal.

> And there is a word for people with disapprove of this practice: Copyright
> Troll

Nic, Richard has a long history with this community of being one of
our ambassadors, in every sense of the world. He's a prolific mapper,
he's been a very effective community organizer, a project leader,
conference organizer, and former Cloudmade Ambassador.

Instead of going on the attack, give what he's saying a listen. Even
if you don't agree, being openly hostile to someone with such a long
history with the project doesn't make your any stronger.

- Serge

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Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

[Richard Weait]

Ah, we can continue our discussion elsewhere, preferably over a beverage.

If I could drag myself back to the topic, I might wonder aloud if this
technology could be used to add buildings for Project of the Month.
;-)

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Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

[SteveC]

That's an interesting idea, I wonder what else lurks on the web, like postcodes 
for example?

Steve

On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:19 AM, Nic Roets  wrote:

> Steve,
> 
> Another thing that Bing can help us with is determining address ranges
> of roads. For example, when you spider the web and find references to
> 5, 20 and 48 Lion Street, Pretoria, then it may help the user who is
> mapping that street. Perhaps it's a cul de sac and now he doesn't need
> to travel all the way down it to see where the range ends.
> 
> A little bit of care will be needed to suppress databases that may be
> legally protected. But I can't see any problem if you extract 1
> address per website.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
> 
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Steve Coast  wrote:
>> http://www.bing.com/community/site_blogs/b/maps/archive/2011/02/03/automatically-detect-roads-with-bing-aerial-imagery.aspx
>> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

[François Van Der Biest]

Thanks for this new service.

I felt quite frustrated when I saw the silverlight stuff warning, so I
decided to create a simple client with OpenLayers.
Here it is: http://maps.qualitystreetmap.org/bingtracing/

I really like the whole idea, but the service lacks a confidence index
for the returned feature.
I also guess that the algorithm gives several paths and only the one
with the highest score is returned.
Is it possible to get the other paths along with their scores ?

F.

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Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

[SteveC]

Thanks for the feedback. Eyal and jm any chance of confidence?

Steve

On Feb 3, 2011, at 3:10 PM, François Van Der Biest 
 wrote:

> Thanks for this new service.
> 
> I felt quite frustrated when I saw the silverlight stuff warning, so I
> decided to create a simple client with OpenLayers.
> Here it is: http://maps.qualitystreetmap.org/bingtracing/
> 
> I really like the whole idea, but the service lacks a confidence index
> for the returned feature.
> I also guess that the algorithm gives several paths and only the one
> with the highest score is returned.
> Is it possible to get the other paths along with their scores ?
> 
> F.
> 
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Steve Coast  wrote:
>> http://www.bing.com/community/site_blogs/b/maps/archive/2011/02/03/automatically-detect-roads-with-bing-aerial-imagery.aspx
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Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

[Chris Browet]

Small details:

in ""(just clicking "Go" on
http://magicshop.cloudapp.net/Default.aspx)

1) "false" is misspelled to "flase"
2) Why "false" in the first place?
3) What/who/why is the uid mentioned?
4) same about version (hardcoded to 5?)

It will be experimentally enabled in Merkaartor soon.

Regards
- Chris -

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 18:17, Steve Coast  wrote:

>
> http://www.bing.com/community/site_blogs/b/maps/archive/2011/02/03/automatically-detect-roads-with-bing-aerial-imagery.aspx
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Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

[Chris Browet]

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 03:25, Chris Browet  wrote:

> Small details:
>
> in ""(just 
> clicking "Go" on
> http://magicshop.cloudapp.net/Default.aspx)
>
> 1) "false" is misspelled to "flase"
> 2) Why "false" in the first place?
> 3) What/who/why is the uid mentioned?
> 4) same about version (hardcoded to 5?)
>
> It will be experimentally enabled in Merkaartor soon.
>
> Regards
> - Chris -
>

P.S.

cf. 3) looks like the uid is hardcoded, too
5) "" seems superfluous to me, but that could be
debated.
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Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

[John-Michael Wiley]

Thanks everyone for the feedback so far we have these issues we will hopefully 
be fixing and getting propped soon:

- generator=CGIMap 0.0.2 will be removed.
- way version will be removed
- visibility tag will be removed.
- user, uid will be removed
- highway tag will be removed.

Am I missing any changes?

I am also wondering if we should switch to osm change as the enclosing tag 
although the idea is not to give someone something they submit right to OSM. In 
our prototypes we have been adding the detected ways onto the map for the user 
to edit and approve. I generate new id's for the ones passed back to me so they 
don't conflict with current changes the user has already made.

Sincerely,
J.M. Wiley


From: Chris Browet [mailto:c...@semperpax.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 6:26 PM
To: Steve Coast
Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

Small details:

in "" (just 
clicking "Go" on http://magicshop.cloudapp.net/Default.aspx)

1) "false" is misspelled to "flase"
2) Why "false" in the first place?
3) What/who/why is the uid mentioned?
4) same about version (hardcoded to 5?)

It will be experimentally enabled in Merkaartor soon.

Regards
- Chris -
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 18:17, Steve Coast 
mailto:st...@asklater.com>> wrote:
http://www.bing.com/community/site_blogs/b/maps/archive/2011/02/03/automatically-detect-roads-with-bing-aerial-imagery.aspx

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Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

[Chris Browet]

> I am also wondering if we should switch to osm change as the enclosing tag
> although the idea is not to give someone something they submit right to OSM.
> In our prototypes we have been adding the detected ways onto the map for the
> user to edit and approve. I generate new id’s for the ones passed back to me
> so they don’t conflict with current changes the user has already made.
>

I personally see no advantage for switching to osm change, as all features
are new anyway, but indeed the disadvantage of being too easy to upload
"as-is", without proper review...

- Chris -
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Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

[John-Michael Wiley]

I made the changes, checked in the code and published them to the staging 
servers. If someone else wants to take a look at the output and let me know if 
you think. Unless I hear complaints I will update the production servers 
tomorrow.

http://c5a33f72a0594a6b87931c2e3f984324.cloudapp.net/

I pasted the new output below.

Thanks,
J.M.






























From: christian.bro...@gmail.com [mailto:christian.bro...@gmail.com] On Behalf 
Of Chris Browet
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 6:47 PM
To: John-Michael Wiley
Cc: Steve Coast; talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with


I am also wondering if we should switch to osm change as the enclosing tag 
although the idea is not to give someone something they submit right to OSM. In 
our prototypes we have been adding the detected ways onto the map for the user 
to edit and approve. I generate new id's for the ones passed back to me so they 
don't conflict with current changes the user has already made.

I personally see no advantage for switching to osm change, as all features are 
new anyway, but indeed the disadvantage of being too easy to upload "as-is", 
without proper review...

- Chris -


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Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

[SteveC]

Maybe put the magicshop version number in the creator?

Steve

On Feb 3, 2011, at 9:12 PM, John-Michael Wiley  wrote:

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> I made the changes, checked in the code and published them to the staging 
> servers. If someone else wants to take a look at the output and let me know 
> if you think. Unless I hear complaints I will update the production servers 
> tomorrow.
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> http://c5a33f72a0594a6b87931c2e3f984324.cloudapp.net/
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> From: christian.bro...@gmail.com [mailto:christian.bro...@gmail.com] On 
> Behalf Of Chris Browet
> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 6:47 PM
> To: John-Michael Wiley
> Cc: Steve Coast; talk@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with
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> I am also wondering if we should switch to osm change as the enclosing tag 
> although the idea is not to give someone something they submit right to OSM. 
> In our prototypes we have been adding the detected ways onto the map for the 
> user to edit and approve. I generate new id’s for the ones passed back to me 
> so they don’t conflict with current changes the user has already made.
> 
> 
> I personally see no advantage for switching to osm change, as all features 
> are new anyway, but indeed the disadvantage of being too easy to upload 
> "as-is", without proper review...
> 
> - Chris -
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