Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing.

[Graham Jones]

I was going to say something similar about the main OSM mapnik rendering.
Last night the high zoom level had rendered by the time I had closed
Potlatch2.
Well done to those running our rendering servers!

Graham

from my phone

On 13 Jun 2011 07:04, "Grant Slater"  wrote:

On 13 June 2011 06:45, Nick Hocking  wrote:
> I just added some more new roa...
Do you mean Bing or MapQuest? I wasn't aware that Bing was using OSM data
yet.
Example link?

/ Grant


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[OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing

[Nick Hocking]

Hi Grant


http://www.bing.com/maps/explore/#5003/s=w&p=c/5872/style=Mapnik&lat=-35.206078&lon=149.103028&z=17&pid=50735


Tose are the newly added roads. Ive been using Bing's mapnik facility for a
few months now - It's really good.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing.

[Grant Slater]

On 13 June 2011 06:45, Nick Hocking  wrote:
> I just added some more new roads to the Canberra area. They were rendered in
> Bing maps within 10 seconds of uploading to OSM!!!
>

Do you mean Bing or MapQuest? I wasn't aware that Bing was using OSM data yet.
Example link?

/ Grant

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Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing.

[Andrew Errington]

On Mon, June 13, 2011 14:45, Nick Hocking wrote:
> I just added some more new roads to the Canberra area. They were rendered
> in Bing maps within 10 seconds of uploading to OSM!!!
>
>
> Now that's instant gratification.  Also bing maps are the slippiest
> around by a healthy margin. I can be zoomed in, in Canberra but then, for
> instance, zoom ou,t zip on over to the US and zoom in on a favourite
> Casino in Vegas
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Bing maps are not amazing in Korea.  They still use the (very) sparse and
(very) old road network that Yahoo! has.  It's riddled with errors, and
nothing I put into OSM appears in Bing.

Here's a comparison of OSM and Yahoo!  If you find the same area in Bing
(can't figure out how to bookmark the map in Bing) then you will see the
maps are awful (and the same as Yahoo!).



Andrew




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[OSM-talk] Mean high water level rendering

[Borbus]

I have recently been mapping tidal areas where data for both mean high
water and low water levels are available.  I have drawn the MHW level
and tagged it as natural=water, natural=riverbank or natural=coastline.
 Then I have drawn natural=beach, natural=mud, natural=land,
natural=wetland etc. up to the MLW level.

For example see: http://osm.org/go/0EZaXWxC-

First question is does this seem a reasonable way to map MHW and MLW?
If so I think I will start a wiki page on how to do it.

On the rendering side, what would be really nice is if the render showed
a dark blue line around the outside of the natural=water etc. and that
it showed on top of whatever else is there ie. natural=mud etc.  This
way we can see both MHW and MLW just like on OS maps.

Not sure if there would be a technical issue with rendering this with
the various renderers, it would be nice IMO.

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[OSM-talk] Potlatch 2 tutorial part 2 - tracing roads and areas

[David Ellams]

I have finally got around to completing part 2 of the Potlatch 2
video tutorial. This one is only just over three-and-a-half
minutes, and covers tracing roads and areas from Bing aerial
imagery. I have also renamed the video (and uploaded a retitled
part 1) to “OpenStreetMap for Beginners” to make its intended
audience more obvious.

Part 1: Add points of interest (4:22):
http://vimeo.com/24992100
(apologies for the lack of “HD” version – will upload next week)

Part 2: Trace roads and paths (3:32):
http://vimeo.com/24984085

The two previous versions of part 1 have been viewed more than
1,000 times since February. However, I believe these (or others
along the same lines) should really be more prominent to new
users. We get a lot of people registering and never making a
single edit, and this is no surprise given that it is not as easy
as you might expect to find basic steps for having a go. As a
very small step in the right direction, I might be bold and put these
under
an “Absolute beginners” heading at the top of the "Video tutorials"
wiki page (the videos currently at the top are quite old and include
Potlatch 1).

This is it for my tutorial efforts for at least the rest of the
year. I will shortly be taking a six-month sabbatical from OSM
for family reasons. So, if you are thinking “what about the
advanced features?”, or “what about a GPS-related tutorial?”,
etc., the answer is: JFDI! I look forward to seeing the results!

Cheers

David (user:davespod)

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Re: [OSM-talk] howto upload source code file in OSM wiki

[colliar]

Am 09.06.2011 17:05, schrieb Josh Doe:

Hey Josh

> You can use the  tag, like:
> 
> int i;
> printf("Test");
> 
> 
> Or if you don't want syntax highlighting, you can use  like
> you've mentioned, but for some reason need to leave a space at the
> beginning of , like:
>  
>  [code]
> <\nowiki>
> 
> It would be nice for us to add a style like Wikipedia has, with a
> dashed border around the code and a light gray background, like here:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groovy_%28programming_language%29#Features

Thanks a lot - did work.

colliar

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Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF ! + PD / CC0 projects

[Mike Dupont]

I am not saying it is easy.

But if you keep most imports as thier own layers and only merge when
trusted, look at how git manages many branches, you pull only from trusted
branches.  In my module TIGER would be its own layer that would not be
merged at all, it would be kept separate. You would want tools to compare
layers and mark and remove matching items, but I dont see why we need one
monolithic system. A hostile layer would just be kept separate and then
deleted. Users would be able to pull together layers and create views as
needed.

mike

On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Nic Roets  wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 11:42 AM, Mike  Dupont
>  wrote:
> > The code is the law,
> > http://www.lessig.org/content/standard/0,1902,4165,00.html and we need
> to
> > change the code so that these discussions about licensing and all that
> are
> > less important.
>
> If it was easy, someone would have done it already.
>
> Think of how much trouble we already have with once-off imports
> (Canvec, TIGER, etc). What will happen if the upstream source is
> dynamic or hostile ?
>



-- 
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Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova and Albania flossk.org
flossal.org
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Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF ! + PD / CC0 projects

[Nic Roets]

On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 11:42 AM, Mike  Dupont
 wrote:
> The code is the law,
> http://www.lessig.org/content/standard/0,1902,4165,00.html and we need to
> change the code so that these discussions about licensing and all that are
> less important.

If it was easy, someone would have done it already.

Think of how much trouble we already have with once-off imports
(Canvec, TIGER, etc). What will happen if the upstream source is
dynamic or hostile ?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF ! + PD / CC0 projects

[John Smith]

On 12 June 2011 19:29, Nic Roets  wrote:
> I'm much more worried about the effects of a fork. If we spend time
> updating a number of forks, it will detract from time that we could
> have spent mapping.

I was in that frame of thinking 3-6 months ago, but unless something
radical occurs in a very short amount of time the damage will be very
difficult to over come, each day that passes more long term
contributors grow fed up of how the current process has been handled
and leave, possibly forever.

> It's much better if we a democratic process and settle the license one
> and for all. If joining the OSMF is a requirement to vote, then so be
> it. It's only 25 bucks.

Not only would you have to join, but get a more contributor orientated
board elected. Currently it seems at present only companies are being
listened to.

At this point in time, I doubt the situation can be fixed, or even the
effect mitigated since the trust in the current board is completely
lacking.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF ! + PD / CC0 projects

[Mike Dupont]

On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Nic Roets  wrote:

> I'm much more worried about the effects of a fork. If we spend time
> updating a number of forks, it will detract from time that we could
> have spent mapping.
>
> It's much better if we a democratic process and settle the license one
> and for all. If joining the OSMF is a requirement to vote, then so be
> it. It's only 25 bucks.
>


Hi,
I think the time building the tools to support forks is worth while. For
one, we need the tools to allow people to build and host local maps without
asking a committee for permission.
Second we need to allow for multiple layers, multiple database and mutiple
license in osm, not a single monolithic data structure and server.

Tools are needed to allow for better merging and comparison of layers,
checking licenses and all that. I see alot of development work as needed to
reach this goal.

The code is the law,
http://www.lessig.org/content/standard/0,1902,4165,00.html and we need to
change the code so that these discussions about licensing and all that are
less important.

Today I have gotten my first version of the renderbotnet server running over
ipv6 and you are all welcome to attach a worker process to it.. It is not
rendering right now, but the basic connections are running, all without a
central server, using ipv6 so you dont need any nat/firewall rules. See my
blogpost
http://osmopenlayers.blogspot.com/2011/06/get-started-with-renderbot-net.htmland
my mail to osmfork
http://groups.google.com/group/osm-fork/browse_thread/thread/c623807cd72402a6

We need to get enough CPUs in the renderbotnet connected and then we can use
that to share cpus for doing rendering and data processing tasks. Also
sharing of edits and chages should be possible using a xmpp chat protocol so
that you can either use a modified josm that talks to the botnet or host a
local api server that broadcasts your changes on the net.

In any case, I see that in the next years we will have a nice solution, and
it will be worth the effort.

mike
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Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF ! + PD / CC0 projects

[Nic Roets]

On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 12:37 AM, Brendan Morley  wrote:
> On 11/06/2011 10:02 AM, Nic Roets wrote:
>>>
>>> Not at all - I know of no form of democracy that distinguishes between
>>> grudging acceptance or evangelical zeal.
>>>
>>
>> Dermot,
>>
>> I would quite like to take my data and start my own PD / CC0 project.
>>
>
> Nic,
>
> Before you go doing that, please consider the fine choices already in play.

I have. But if you read my complete email you will see that I don't
care too much which open source license is being used.

I'm much more worried about the effects of a fork. If we spend time
updating a number of forks, it will detract from time that we could
have spent mapping.

It's much better if we a democratic process and settle the license one
and for all. If joining the OSMF is a requirement to vote, then so be
it. It's only 25 bucks.

Regards,
Nic

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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Gift Ideas

[Parveen Arora]

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Kate Chapman  wrote:
> Hi All,
> I've been doing workshops in various communities and universities.
>  Sometimes it is appropriate to bring a gift to exchange.  Does anyone have
> any ideas on suitable items?
Yes its a goo Idea,
Some of the options has been already listed by the other members,
I would like to suggest you the OSM Stickers, OSM Pens, Pencils, OSM
batches to attach with the any t shirt, Work Shop or participation
certificates.
We like to use the all of them here, because all these things makes
the participants feel good while attending the workshops or
presentation.



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www.parveenarora.in
E-Mail: m...@parveenarora.in

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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Gift Ideas

[Matthias Meißer]

Am 10.06.2011 13:03, schrieb Martijn van Exel:

Kate,

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Kate Chapman  wrote:

Hi All,
I've been doing workshops in various communities and universities.
  Sometimes it is appropriate to bring a gift to exchange.  Does anyone have
any ideas on suitable items?
Ideally it would be something to be shared among the group.  Not sure really
what would be best, originally I was thinking along the lines of a plaque,
but looking for additional ideas.
Thanks!
There are some other nice gimicks, like vests, stickers and AFAIK even 
bedclothes ;)

http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/merchandise
In Germany we mostly use flyers but even for 'serious' audience like 
universities, goverment,... a book might be a good choice.

http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/books
I read that the OSMF US is starting a bigger merchandising campaign, 
they might have another ideas.


bye
Matthias


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