Re: [OSM-talk] Using photographed evacuation plans for indoor modeling?
Richard Weait writes: > Copyright is earned in a work regardless of the existence of a > copyright symbol on the work. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright That's the Berne Convention at work. Not every country has signed it. And at least in the U.S., you cannot copyright a fact of the world. The shape of a building and the walls inside it are not copyrightable. An image which depicts them might be, if it contains creative elements, but if you use the facts that it depicts, and do not redistribute the image itself, you are not infringing the work. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Using photographed evacuation plans for indoor modeling?
On 28 September 2011 19:06, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2011/9/28 Nathan Edgars II : > > On 9/28/2011 10:56 AM, Michael Peter wrote: > >> Is it only usable, when there > >> is no copyright sign written on the plan? > > > > Almost everything is copyrighted by default. So the question is whether > the > > information contained within can still be used (as with a road sign or > the > > sign on the front of a building). Unfortunately I can't answer this. > As people have said, in most countries almost everything is copyrighted without needing a copyright note. The copyright note jut makes it easier to know on who's time the plan was made (a surveying/graphics/safety/architect company is likely to be the copyright owner not the employee who drew it on company time or the building managment that bought the physical print out), and thus who to ask for permission to use it(or derive data from it) in OpenStreetMap. Your project sounds interesting though. I wonder if it fits into the scope and ability of OpenStreetMap. I consider paths through buildings only suitable to add to the degree of showing how you roughly how entrances connect (e.g. walking through a shopping mall could be a shortcut, but some entrances may have steps inside). And OpenStreetMap isn't good(yet) for multiple layers/stories of buildings. When you've got some way into your PhD, it might be nice if you were to submit a paper to the State of the Map(SotM) conference. This year SotM-Europe was very academia focused, and I'd like there to be a prominent academia track at the main SotM next year. I think calls for papers open some time between March-May. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Sotm In the mean time, we have a wiki page for academic research. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Research Please be welcome to edit that page without asking, to add you project details. I even added my project with the title "(in progress)" so people could read the description and know some work was being done on the subject. -- Gregory o...@livingwithdragons.com http://www.livingwithdragons.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Using photographed evacuation plans for indoor modeling?
2011/9/28 Nathan Edgars II : > On 9/28/2011 10:56 AM, Michael Peter wrote: >> Is it only usable, when there >> is no copyright sign written on the plan? > > Almost everything is copyrighted by default. So the question is whether the > information contained within can still be used (as with a road sign or the > sign on the front of a building). Unfortunately I can't answer this. I'd also take for granted that these plans are copyrighted. The one I made myself I had to write a copyright note on them, but even if there is none present the plan might still very probably be copyrighted. Also: if you'd ask the architect he might give you a vector version, which is generally better then a vectorized photo. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Using photographed evacuation plans for indoor modeling?
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Michael Peter wrote: > However, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Beginners_Guide_1.1 states, that > "As a rule of thumb, use no external resources except those available in the > editors", so this is why I am writing.. What do you think of this data > source? Is it usable? Is it only usable, when there is no copyright sign > written on the plan? Copyright is earned in a work regardless of the existence of a copyright symbol on the work. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Using photographed evacuation plans for indoor modeling?
On 9/28/2011 10:56 AM, Michael Peter wrote: Is it only usable, when there is no copyright sign written on the plan? Almost everything is copyrighted by default. So the question is whether the information contained within can still be used (as with a road sign or the sign on the front of a building). Unfortunately I can't answer this. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Using photographed evacuation plans for indoor modeling?
Hello everyone, part of my PhD is to automatically model indoor environments from photographed evacuation plans. While there is still some way to go until this will be possible, I thought about suggesting this method to the OSM community as a fast and easy way of collecting data about indoors. The idea is: 1) the user takes an image of an evacuation plan like they can be found in all public buildings, 2) warps this image using the building ground plan already available in OSM (using e.g. warper.geothings.net) 3) draws the indoor routes using JOSM and the warped image as a layer like Bing or Yahoo aerial images using the tags suggested at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Indoor However, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Beginners_Guide_1.1 states, that "As a rule of thumb, use no external resources except those available in the editors", so this is why I am writing.. What do you think of this data source? Is it usable? Is it only usable, when there is no copyright sign written on the plan? Looking forward to your thoughts about that! Michael PS: If anyone is interested in my work on this topic or wants to read the long explanation for the idea, here you are: http://www.ifp.uni-stuttgart.de/publications/2011/20110530_Paper_IPIN_CamReady.pdf ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] International Boundaries from Department of State
Hi The US Department of State has recently provided us with their most recent international boundaries data sets. This includes a more accurate South Sudan boundary, which could be used to update the OSM boundary (which has a slight error in the West). The data is all public domain. More details, and download links, are on the wiki. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Potential_Datasources#US_Dept._of_State.2C_International_Boundaries -Mikel == Mikel Maron == +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
