Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF to provide commercial tile service? [WAS: something else]
Serge Wroclawski wrote: > I go back to my central point: We're spending a lot of time > blocking people and explaining to people why they're blocked. > Let's find a way to turn this adversarial relationship into a > cooperative one. Do you have a suggestion on how to do this? I do. If I read you right, you think there should be an "open to all" tileserver whose proceeds are fed back to the project. We agree that's not going to happen with the existing servers (because we don't have spare capacity) or the existing sysadmins (because we don't have spare capacity) or the existing hosting (because we can't resell the bandwidth). So you, Serge Wroclawski, should do it. Set up osmtileserver.org. Beg, borrow or steal some boxes, or simply take a punt with EC2. Recruit like-minded souls to your cause. Get a basic tileserver running. Approach one of the blocked app authors and say "hey, I think you might be interested in this". And, when you make your first profit that goes beyond what you need to reinvest, send a cheque to OSMF. It's not going to happen unless someone takes the bit between their teeth and does it, and thus far you're the person best qualified (in enthusiasm and technical knowledge) to do so. You don't need OSMF approval to run a non-profit-making service, using OSM community members and OSM community-developed tools, based on OSM data, that feeds its proceeds back to OSMF. OSMF will happily accept donations from anyone. If you really want some form of official endorsement then go talk to OSMF-US, but I don't think it's necessary. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/OSMF-to-provide-commercial-tile-service-WAS-something-else-tp6874406p6884317.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF to provide commercial tile service? [WAS: something else]
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 6:04 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Serge Wroclawski wrote: >> I go back to my central point: We're spending a lot of time >> blocking people and explaining to people why they're blocked. >> Let's find a way to turn this adversarial relationship into a >> cooperative one. Do you have a suggestion on how to do this? > > I do. > > If I read you right, you think there should be an "open to all" tileserver > whose proceeds are fed back to the project. I never wrote that or implied it. > So you, Serge Wroclawski, should do it. > > Set up osmtileserver.org. Beg, borrow or steal some boxes, or simply take a > punt with EC2. Recruit like-minded souls to your cause. Get a basic > tileserver running. Approach one of the blocked app authors and say "hey, I > think you might be interested in this". And, when you make your first profit > that goes beyond what you need to reinvest, send a cheque to OSMF. So if I read you right, you're saying if I register a domain and buy a server, you'll hand over administration of the OpenStreetMap Foundation to me. - Serge ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF to provide commercial tile service? [WAS: something else]
On Wed, 2011-10-12 at 06:50 -0400, Serge Wroclawski wrote: > So if I read you right, you're saying if I register a domain and buy a > server, you'll hand over administration of the OpenStreetMap > Foundation to me. he does not have the power to do that. But probably your servers will make osm irrelevant. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF to provide commercial tile service? [WAS: something else]
Hi, On 10/12/11 12:50, Serge Wroclawski wrote: So if I read you right, you're saying if I register a domain and buy a server, you'll hand over administration of the OpenStreetMap Foundation to me. I don't think that everybody who runs a not-for-profit tileserver should be handed over administration of the OpenStreetMap Foundation. But of course everybody is welcome to run a not-for-profit tileserver and say "all proceeds go to OSMF" (provided they actually hand over the cash). As a side note, I would also like to point out that "not-for-profit" is a very loose definition as soon as paid staff is involved. Consider Joe Mapper who decides he wants to pay his rent by working in OSM. Scenario 1: Joe Mapper founds Joe Inc., an OSM service provider, buys servers, sells tiles, makes $50k a year and pockets them. Clearly he is an entrepreneur who makes money off of OSM and his service is not a "not-for-profit" outfit. Scenario 2: Joe Mapper convinces OSM Foundation to set up not-for-profit commercial arm providing tile services. OSMF hires Joe Mapper at (the probably lower-than-market rate of) $50k a year to run it. Oh, look! All of a sudden we have a nice little not-for-profit outfit in which Joe Mapper still makes the same money. Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Displaying videos from around the world on OSM?
Hi all, We're thinking of having a big census of open government data initiatives from around the world next week [1], to coincide with Open Government Data Camp 2011 in Warsaw [2]. This would involve having a basic mechanism to add title, URL, brief description and possibly thumbnail of a video to a map. Has anyone had any experience of doing this sort of thing on Open Street Map? Any suggestions (off list) would be very much appreciated. All the best, Jonathan [1] http://lists.okfn.org/pipermail/ogdcamp/2011-October/000133.html [2] http://ogdcamp.org/ -- Jonathan Gray Community Coordinator The Open Knowledge Foundation http://www.okfn.org http://twitter.com/jwyg ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Displaying videos from around the world on OSM?
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Jonathan Gray wrote: > Hi all, > > We're thinking of having a big census of open government data > initiatives from around the world next week [1], to coincide with Open > Government Data Camp 2011 in Warsaw [2]. > > This would involve having a basic mechanism to add title, URL, brief > description and possibly thumbnail of a video to a map. > > Has anyone had any experience of doing this sort of thing on Open Street Map? > > Any suggestions (off list) would be very much appreciated. Dear Jonathan, Nah, let's do it on-list so others can participate! :-) The key, really, is OpenLayers. OpenLayers will let you associate links, text, images, etc. with a map location. You can display icons on the map and deliver pop-ups with more information. You can set this up on your web site with the help of the following tutorial. Change the icons and content of the popup to suit your requirements http://weait.com/content/control-appearance-your-business-openstreetmap You can probably automate this so that users can click a location, fill in a text box, add a link to a video, etc. Best regards, Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF to provide commercial tile service? [WAS: something else]
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 01:53:46PM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: > On 10/12/11 12:50, Serge Wroclawski wrote: > >So if I read you right, you're saying if I register a domain and buy a > >server, you'll hand over administration of the OpenStreetMap > >Foundation to me. > > I don't think that everybody who runs a not-for-profit tileserver > should be handed over administration of the OpenStreetMap > Foundation. But of course everybody is welcome to run a > not-for-profit tileserver and say "all proceeds go to OSMF" > (provided they actually hand over the cash). > > As a side note, I would also like to point out that "not-for-profit" > is a very loose definition as soon as paid staff is involved. Actually thats one thing we don't have to worry about. There are very strict definition what a non-profit is in every country and the IRS (or equivalent) will make sure you keep to those rules. Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Displaying videos from around the world on OSM?
On 12/10/11 13:33, Jonathan Gray wrote: Hi all, We're thinking of having a big census of open government data initiatives from around the world next week [1], to coincide with Open Government Data Camp 2011 in Warsaw [2]. This would involve having a basic mechanism to add title, URL, brief description and possibly thumbnail of a video to a map. Has anyone had any experience of doing this sort of thing on Open Street Map? Any suggestions (off list) would be very much appreciated. All the best, Jonathan [1] http://lists.okfn.org/pipermail/ogdcamp/2011-October/000133.html [2] http://ogdcamp.org/ I created a map of the location of toad statues when they were in Hull [1]. I then went on to use this to create a map of where students come from on a course, showing a YouTube video to replace the toad photo, which worked well. (It is not available to share ATM). The students and toads are not connected, but the code is similar! [1] http://toads.raggedred.net/ -- Cheers, Chris user: chillly ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Displaying videos from around the world on OSM?
Am 12.10.2011 15:01, schrieb Chris Hill: On 12/10/11 13:33, Jonathan Gray wrote: Hi all, We're thinking of having a big census of open government data initiatives from around the world next week [1], to coincide with Open Government Data Camp 2011 in Warsaw [2]. This would involve having a basic mechanism to add title, URL, brief description and possibly thumbnail of a video to a map. Has anyone had any experience of doing this sort of thing on Open Street Map? Any suggestions (off list) would be very much appreciated. All the best, Jonathan [1] http://lists.okfn.org/pipermail/ogdcamp/2011-October/000133.html [2] http://ogdcamp.org/ I created a map of the location of toad statues when they were in Hull [1]. I then went on to use this to create a map of where students come from on a course, showing a YouTube video to replace the toad photo, which worked well. (It is not available to share ATM). The students and toads are not connected, but the code is similar! [1] http://toads.raggedred.net/ Hi Jonathan, I'm not sure if I understood all about this project, but might this help a bit? This shows up the local meetups (some with photos) of OSM http://usergroups.openstreetmap.de (uses a bot and wiki templates to generate the map generated by users) Another starting point for such crowd source editing might be: www.openstreetbugs.org www.aphes.com/map/ bye Matthias ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Installing your own tileserver on Ubuntu
I forwarded your announcement to my local OSM mailing list and one of us tried the instructions both on the email and the wiki page and have run into a few problems: http://www.mail-archive.com/talk-ph@openstreetmap.org/msg03520.html This might prove to be useful feedback. On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 6:13 AM, Kai Krueger wrote: > Hello everyone, > > with the recent need to crack down on tile scrapers and apps to not over > tax the main OSM tileservers and hosting, there has been a lot of talk > trying to convince people to set up their own tileserver. > > Although that is of cause by far not the only hurdle to set up your own > tileserver, one barrier is perhaps the perceived complicated procedure > to set up all the elements necessary. Although there are a number of > decent howtos already available on the wiki (perhaps even to many, each > containing slightly different advice...), it is perhaps still more > effort than people want to get into. > > In the hope to make this process even simpler, I have created a bunch of > packages for Ubuntu containing all the necessary software, as well as > glue packages to deal with the necessary setup and interaction between > the different components. > > The packages aren't perfect yet, but hopefully sufficiently helpful > already to be of use to others who are interested in playing around with > their own tileserver. > > A simple standard tileserver can now be setup in 5 commands in a terminal: > > sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kakrueger/openstreetmap > sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-tile > wget http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/north-america/us/colorado.osm.pbf > osm2pgsql -C 1500 colorado.osm.pbf > sudo /etc/init.d/renderd restart > > At the end you should have a working tileserver based on mod_tile and > renderd with the standerd OSM-mapnik stylesheet. > > You can test it out by opening the installed slippymap at > http://localhost/osm/slippymap.html > > You will of cause want to replace the above lines with the downloading > and importing of an extract with the extract you care about. > > Although for smaller areas hardware requirements aren't too bad, they > quickly go up beyond what can be handled by a standard desktop computer. > My rough guestimate of what a typical desktop / laptop can handle is > about an extract of 100 - 300 Mb (no more than an hours worth of > import). This covers most of the US and German states, as well as many > of the other less densely mapped countries. > > If you are more serious about your tileserver, you will need to tune the > various configuration settings, but just to play around and for personal > use, the default settings should work reasonable. > > More information can be found on yet another wiki-page... ( > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ubuntu_tile_server ) > > Any comments or feedback are welcome, > > Kai > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Research on CrowdSourcing?
I am working on a demo app to 'harness the crowd' to improve locational data for features. The data for this project is not in OSM (except potentially as part of the infamous EPA import), and the output data will not be place into OSM. OSM data may likely be used for background layers in the app though. My goal is to improve the data, but also to test multiple validation algorithms. If anyone is aware of some good research on the evaluation/validation of crowd-sourced data, I would greatly appreciate it if you could point me to the source. Thanks, David. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Research on CrowdSourcing?
Hi David, the solutions is quiet easy. This wiki list is the #1 resource for scientific belongs on OSM (and some other VGI, see the 'OSM dedicated' icon). http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Research I'm not aware if there is stuff that matches your topic that exactly. As you might see there are some scientist, that are very involved in research on OSM: -Prof. Zipf (Germany, EU) -Dr. Muki Haklay (GB, EU) regards Matthias (user:!i!) Am 12.10.2011 18:56, schrieb David Fawcett: I am working on a demo app to 'harness the crowd' to improve locational data for features. The data for this project is not in OSM (except potentially as part of the infamous EPA import), and the output data will not be place into OSM. OSM data may likely be used for background layers in the app though. My goal is to improve the data, but also to test multiple validation algorithms. If anyone is aware of some good research on the evaluation/validation of crowd-sourced data, I would greatly appreciate it if you could point me to the source. Thanks, David. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
