Re: [OSM-talk] 23 ideas for osm and its forks

2012-01-12 Thread mick 
On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 02:00:17 +0100
Mike  Dupont  wrote:

> Hello world,
> 
> I have written down all my ideas so far on an ideascale i setup
> 
>http://fosm.ideascale.com/
> 
> here you have 23 new ideas for #osm,
> independent of how they are implemented, all applicable to osm commonmap
> fosm etc.
> you are invited to join the conversation.
> 
> lets make the world a better place
> 
> happy hacking,
> 
> mike
> 
I applaud your efforts, OSM is good and has the potential to be truly great if 
more people thought about what could be done instead of shouting down any ideas 
that vary from their own blinkered vision.

mick

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Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] 23 ideas for osm and its forks

2012-01-12 Thread Mike Dupont 
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:19 AM, Gregory 
 wrote:

> Though I don't watch the mailing list much, this looks like a troll's list.


I have tried to summarize the ideas that I have been working on in the past
three years.
Lots of though put into this. This is not meant to be a flame or troll
thing, but an honest attempt to bring fresh ideas to the table.

e.g. "host the CC-by-sa data that will be deleted". Although I'm pretty
sure the OSMF's plan for ODbL switch makes it clear the CC-by-sa data will
not be deleted and will remain available.
I will comment on that point in the ideascale and explain it.

I got bored after that.
>
> that is a shame.
I will have to put more work into this.
mike


> On 13 January 2012 01:00, Mike Dupont wrote:
>
>> Hello world,
>>
>> I have written down all my ideas so far on an ideascale i setup
>>
>>http://fosm.ideascale.com/
>>
>> here you have 23 new ideas for #osm,
>> independent of how they are implemented, all applicable to osm commonmap
>> fosm etc.
>> you are invited to join the conversation.
>>
>> lets make the world a better place
>>
>> happy hacking,
>>
>> mike
>>
>> --
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>> Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org
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Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] 23 ideas for osm and its forks

2012-01-12 Thread Gregory 
Though I don't watch the mailing list much, this looks like a troll's list.
e.g. "host the CC-by-sa data that will be deleted". Although I'm pretty
sure the OSMF's plan for ODbL switch makes it clear the CC-by-sa data will
not be deleted and will remain available.

I got bored after that.

On 13 January 2012 01:00, Mike Dupont wrote:

> Hello world,
>
> I have written down all my ideas so far on an ideascale i setup
>
>http://fosm.ideascale.com/
>
> here you have 23 new ideas for #osm,
> independent of how they are implemented, all applicable to osm commonmap
> fosm etc.
> you are invited to join the conversation.
>
> lets make the world a better place
>
> happy hacking,
>
> mike
>
> --
> James Michael DuPont
> Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org
>
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[OSM-talk] 23 ideas for osm and its forks

2012-01-12 Thread Mike Dupont 
Hello world,

I have written down all my ideas so far on an ideascale i setup

   http://fosm.ideascale.com/

here you have 23 new ideas for #osm,
independent of how they are implemented, all applicable to osm commonmap
fosm etc.
you are invited to join the conversation.

lets make the world a better place

happy hacking,

mike

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Re: [OSM-talk] user diaries not included in blog feed?

2012-01-12 Thread Andrew Allison 
On Thu, 2012-01-12 at 08:46 -0500, Josh Doe wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Tom Hughes  wrote:
> > On 12/01/12 12:56, Josh Doe wrote:
> >
> >> It seems to me that the user diary RSS feed is broken:
> >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/diary/rss
> >>
> >> The last update is from December 17, 2011. I find this hard to believe
> >> that no one has noticed this until now, so I feel like I must be
> >> missing something.
> >

I assumed it was my myth box that lost the feed.

Andrew


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Re: [OSM-talk] tile rendereing total space

2012-01-12 Thread ciprian niculescu 
Thanks all for the input.
The "cluster config" i mean the fs cluster size, i think that is 4k on a
default ext2/3 fs


On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Phil! Gold  wrote:

> * ciprian niculescu  [2012-01-09 16:30 +0100]:
> > Nice thread on space, but what about inode number, on my server i get
> fast
> > to 100% inode used.
> > So what filesystems do you use, in what cluster config.
>
> XFS (as Grant noted) and JFS both do well with large numbers of allocated
> inodes.  ReiserFS doesn't appear to have an inode limit at all, but I tend
> to avoid it these days, mostly for reasons of personal experience: I've
> had disk failures that damaged XFS, JFS, and ReiserFS filesystems, and
> have had the best experiences recovering data from damaged JFS
> filesystems.
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by "cluster config", but I keep my tiles (for
> very low-demand usage) in an LVM logical volume that sits on a RAID1
> physical volume.  I don't do any disk spanning tricks for them.  My
> PostgreSQL rendering database, however, spans four 10k RPM disks in a
> RAID0 configuration.
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] transiki is gone

2012-01-12 Thread Grant Slater 
On 12 January 2012 15:11, Mike  Dupont  wrote:
> http://transiki.org/ is now officially gone...
> The content is gone, website is gone...
>

Oh well...
Steve posted in Feb 2011 the lot was up for grabs else he would let
the domain expire:
http://blog.stevecoast.com/shutting-down-transiki-glider

Fork and rename.

/ Grant

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[OSM-talk] transiki is gone

2012-01-12 Thread Mike Dupont 
http://transiki.org/ is now officially gone...
The content is gone, website is gone...

7 open pull requests on github, after one year I think we can just give up
on that.
https://github.com/SteveC/transiki/pulls

mike

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[OSM-talk] Prishtina and Tirana Buses websites

2012-01-12 Thread Mike Dupont 
Hello world,

FYI there is a lauch party for the prishtina kosovo bus site, made by
flossk with unicef innovation labs kosovo that uses osm tonight :
http://www.prishtinabuses.info/
https://www.facebook.com/events/116226098494633/
www.flossk.org/en/blog/prishtinabuses-launchparty
there should be some live stream of the event

Also there is the tirana buses which is worth mentioning, they are using
google maps...
http://www.tiranabuses.com

happy new year 2012,
mike

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Re: [OSM-talk] user diaries not included in blog feed?

2012-01-12 Thread Josh Doe 
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Tom Hughes  wrote:
> On 12/01/12 12:56, Josh Doe wrote:
>
>> It seems to me that the user diary RSS feed is broken:
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/diary/rss
>>
>> The last update is from December 17, 2011. I find this hard to believe
>> that no one has noticed this until now, so I feel like I must be
>> missing something.
>
>
> No, nobody has reported that at all.
>
> Please open a ticket and I'll look at it, but it will probably have to wait
> until tomorrow as I'm out tonight.

Done and thanks:
http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/4181

-Josh

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Re: [OSM-talk] user diaries not included in blog feed?

2012-01-12 Thread Tom Hughes 

On 12/01/12 12:56, Josh Doe wrote:


It seems to me that the user diary RSS feed is broken:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/diary/rss

The last update is from December 17, 2011. I find this hard to believe
that no one has noticed this until now, so I feel like I must be
missing something.


No, nobody has reported that at all.

Please open a ticket and I'll look at it, but it will probably have to 
wait until tomorrow as I'm out tonight.


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Re: [OSM-talk] user diaries not included in blog feed?

2012-01-12 Thread Josh Doe 
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Michael Krämer  wrote:
> recently I have wondered, why people don't use the user diaries in OSM
> anymore - simply because I didn't notice these messages in the feed
> I'm monitoring. Today I re-checked and to me it looks like the entries
> from http://www.openstreetmap.org/diary are not included in
> http://blogs.openstreetmap.org/ anymore. I am pretty sure that they
> used to be part of the feed in the past.
>
> Is this an intended change I missed to notice or a bug?

It seems to me that the user diary RSS feed is broken:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/diary/rss

The last update is from December 17, 2011. I find this hard to believe
that no one has noticed this until now, so I feel like I must be
missing something.

-Josh

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[OSM-talk] OrbView-3 is public domain

2012-01-12 Thread hbogner 

Here is the final reply form USGS :D



 Original Message 
Subject: Re: Fw: OrbView-3 free images?
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 15:18:50 -0600
From: GS-N-EDC Customer Services 
To: hbog...@geof.hr
CC: Karen A Peterson 



Hrvoje Bogner

Hello Hrvoje,

Thank you for contacting the USGS Earth Resources Observation and
Science (EROS) Center.

GeoEye's OrbView-3 satellite was amongst the world's first commercial
satellites to provide high-resolution imagery from space.

USGS EROS received approximately 180,000 OrbView-3 image "segments'. The
data that was delivered by GeoEye was a L1B "Basic Enhanced"
radiometrically corrected format.

It is now available to the general public for download at no charge from
the EarthExplorer site. http://earthexplorer.usgs.gov


Yes, it is public domain. There is no legal requirement for users to
acknowledge or credit USGS as the source for public domain information,
but they may wish to do so as a courtesy. If you wish to acknowledge or
credit USGS as an information source of data or products, use a line of
text as show below.
_http://eros.usgs.gov/#/About_Us/Customer_Service/Data_Citation_

"*Data available from the U.S. Geological Survey*"

Please see this page for further information and details:
_http://www.usgs.gov/visual-id/credit_usgs.html_

Let us know if you have any other questions.

Best regards,

Deb



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Email: custs...@usgs.gov
Website: http://eros.usgs.gov 
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From: Karen A Peterson/DO/USGS/DOI
To: custs...@usgs.gov
Cc: archive_...@usgs.gov, asku...@usgs.gov
Date: 01/10/2012 04:31 PM
Subject: Fw: OrbView-3 free images?






Hello,

Please see the e-mail below.

We've been seeing the releases about Orbview-3, but weren't sure, since
it comes originally from a private commercial company, whether it was
actually public domain or not.

Thank-you,
Karen Peterson
USGS Alaska Science Center
Science Information Services - Anchorage_
__http://alaska.usgs.gov/science/esic/index.php_

- Forwarded by Karen A Peterson/DO/USGS/DOI on 01/10/2012 01:25 PM -
*hbog...@geof.hr*

01/10/2012 03:13 AM


To: asku...@usgs.gov
cc: archive_...@usgs.gov
Subject: OrbView-3 free images?





Transaction=GSFRVVYF [10JAN2012 12:13:19UTC]
Customer email: hbog...@geof.hr
Customer: Hrvoje Bogner
Subject: OrbView-3 free images?
Primary response: asku...@usgs.gov



Hi

I'm a member of OpenStreetMap community from Croatia. While surfing
I found an article abouth OrbView-3 becoming free: _http://is.gd/_QQ8A
Is that correct, and if yes, what exactly does that mean? Does that mean
free for downloading and viewing, or free for usage as a source? For us
it would mean the right to trace over those images and public those traces.
Searching your web I found _http://is.gd/z0h4Gm_and there is no mention
of OrbView-3 as commercial, but there states "Commercial vendor
licensing may restrict access to imagery, and license restrictions may
vary for each individual image. However, users have the option to
request license upgrades for imagery not currently licensed for their
Federal agency."
So the main question is: What is the licence of OrbView-3? Is it Public
Domain?

Regards,
Hrvoje Bogner





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Re: [OSM-talk] CLEANMAP global version

2012-01-12 Thread Simon Poole 
It doesn't change the geometry of objects, but individual tagged nodes 
-are- hidden. The US is a special case as you say.


For more detailed information, I would naturally use the OSMI inspector 
licence view, or the Garmin map overlays (on the road).


Simon

Am 12.01.2012 10:47, schrieb Nathan Edgars II:

On 1/11/2012 10:30 PM, Nick Hocking wrote:

OSM inspector gives a pessimistic view at a distance because red is so
bright and (in Australia) one could be forgiven for thinking...
Oh dear, Sydney and Adelaide are goners.
However your CleanMap shows that there is a lot of hope for both
although there is still a massive amount of work to be done.


Since Cleanmap doesn't include any nodes that will be lost, it's more 
like looking through way-colored glasses. It also doesn't show any 
intermediate edits, which GREATLY minimizes the effect in areas like 
the U.S. where most roads started out as imports.


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Re: [OSM-talk] CLEANMAP global version

2012-01-12 Thread Nathan Edgars II 

On 1/12/2012 4:47 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:

On 1/11/2012 10:30 PM, Nick Hocking wrote:

OSM inspector gives a pessimistic view at a distance because red is so
bright and (in Australia) one could be forgiven for thinking...
Oh dear, Sydney and Adelaide are goners.
However your CleanMap shows that there is a lot of hope for both
although there is still a massive amount of work to be done.


Since Cleanmap doesn't include any nodes that will be lost, it's more
like looking through way-colored glasses. It also doesn't show any
intermediate edits, which GREATLY minimizes the effect in areas like the
U.S. where most roads started out as imports.


Despite this, you can still see major damage in some areas, such as 
South Carolina, where a "bad" mapper split ways to create bridges:

http://cleanmap.poole.ch/?zoom=9&lat=33.921&lon=-81.014
Note all the gaps in the Interstates (motorways).

There are many more Interstates that will apparently revert to 
single-carriageway: http://cleanmap.poole.ch/?zoom=7&lat=38.518&lon=-86.5


And damn, look at Los Angeles: 
http://cleanmap.poole.ch/?zoom=13&lat=34.0693&lon=-118.2227


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Re: [OSM-talk] CLEANMAP global version

2012-01-12 Thread Nathan Edgars II 

On 1/11/2012 10:30 PM, Nick Hocking wrote:

OSM inspector gives a pessimistic view at a distance because red is so
bright and (in Australia) one could be forgiven for thinking...
Oh dear, Sydney and Adelaide are goners.
However your CleanMap shows that there is a lot of hope for both
although there is still a massive amount of work to be done.


Since Cleanmap doesn't include any nodes that will be lost, it's more 
like looking through way-colored glasses. It also doesn't show any 
intermediate edits, which GREATLY minimizes the effect in areas like the 
U.S. where most roads started out as imports.


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