Re: [OSM-talk] Updated redaction oneway map

[Pieren]

On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Toby Murray  wrote:

Nice tool. It would be even better if we could get a "permalink" on
the online map (to forward a resurvey to concerned people, for
instance).
And what is the frequency of update ? daily ?

Pieren

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Re: [OSM-talk] Updated redaction oneway map

[Toby Murray]

On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 3:38 AM, Pieren  wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Toby Murray  wrote:
>
> Nice tool. It would be even better if we could get a "permalink" on
> the online map (to forward a resurvey to concerned people, for
> instance).
> And what is the frequency of update ? daily ?

Unfortunately leaflet doesn't seem have permalink capabilities built
in. I think it can be done with some javascript but I haven't gotten
around to looking at that. Or I could switch to OpenLayers I guess. I
personally usually just use it in JOSM to find places that need fixing
so it hasn't been a high priority.

I try to update it daily. But it involves a little manual work so
sometimes it doesn't get done every day.

Toby

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Re: [OSM-talk] Updated redaction oneway map

[Pavel Melnikov]

Looks like they have some sort of permalink implementation:
http://leaflet.uservoice.com/forums/150880-ideas-and-suggestions-for-leaflet/suggestions/2625811-permalink


On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Toby Murray  wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 3:38 AM, Pieren  wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Toby Murray 
> wrote:
> >
> > Nice tool. It would be even better if we could get a "permalink" on
> > the online map (to forward a resurvey to concerned people, for
> > instance).
> > And what is the frequency of update ? daily ?
>
> Unfortunately leaflet doesn't seem have permalink capabilities built
> in. I think it can be done with some javascript but I haven't gotten
> around to looking at that. Or I could switch to OpenLayers I guess. I
> personally usually just use it in JOSM to find places that need fixing
> so it hasn't been a high priority.
>
> I try to update it daily. But it involves a little manual work so
> sometimes it doesn't get done every day.
>
> Toby
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Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2012/8/2 Lester Caine :
> iONiX wrote:
 >>What when street is renamed and you want to send a letter, or some poi
 >>is located there and have its official address with new name, but old
 >>signs are still installed (for months or years). Do You really still
 >>want to rely on those old signs on the street?
> If they are currently NOT showing what is on the sign then YES, and in my
> book that is not even up for discussion!
> If I can't photograph what appears on the base map ... it's wrong, and
> should be tagged as that so it can be fixed ...


we have a similar issue for road reference numbers in Italy (or at
least in parts of Italy), where the maintenance of some national roads
passed from the country to the regions (or provinces), resulting in a
change of the official refs from (e.g.) SS7 to SR7, or in other cases
the ref was simply changed (e.g. from "GRA" to "A90" in the case of
the circular motorway around Rome (GrandeRaccordoAnnulare). This is
even documented in the English wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grande_Raccordo_Anulare  ("The official
number among the Italian motorways is A90, although barely known and
not found anywhere on road signs. It's widely known by Romans as Il
Raccordo.")

As these changes have already happened (on the paper) in some cases 10
years and more ago and still the road signs show the old refs (in many
cases, not in all), we decided to change these refs back to what is
still on the signs, and to record the official reference number in a
tag "official_ref". Hereby the map consumers get the information they
need when following street signs, and the mappers don't have to dig
deep into administrative details if they don't want to (on the ground
rule).

For the Belarussian case this would mean to keep in name what is on
the signs (if they are consistent and not half new half old) and to
put the now official name in a tag "official_name".

cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

[Pieren]

On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer
 wrote:
> As these changes have already happened (on the paper) in some cases 10
> years and more ago and still the road signs show the old refs (in many
> cases, not in all), we decided to change these refs back to what is
> still on the signs, and to record the official reference number in a
> tag "official_ref".

Same issue in France excepted that the replacement of the old
reference signs is almost completed. So we decided to keep the
official reference in "ref" and keep the old one in "old_ref" even in
the few cases the "ground rule" is outdated.

Pieren

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Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

[Eugene Sandulenko]

On 13 August 2012 13:51, Martin Koppenhoefer  wrote:
> For the Belarussian case this would mean to keep in name what is on
> the signs (if they are consistent and not half new half old) and to
> put the now official name in a tag "official_name".
And that is exactly the problem, there is inconsistency on the ground
across the whole country Crimea included. This goes up to the point
when on a single street some buildings have Russian rendering and some
have Ukrainian. Also in number of cases the street signs on the
buildings are in Russian, but all direction signs around have
Ukrainian spelling.

If you follow closely the 'on the ground rule' and put what you see to
'name' key, you will end up with mix in language in majority of the
cities. The map will be not really convenient, since primary search
values are in mix of languages.


Eugene

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Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2012/8/13 Pieren :
> Same issue in France excepted that the replacement of the old
> reference signs is almost completed. So we decided to keep the
> official reference in "ref" and keep the old one in "old_ref" even in
> the few cases the "ground rule" is outdated.


+1, we also keep old_ref tags.

Re-checking the GRA after my email above, the official reference is
tagged as "nat_ref=A90" and not "official_ref", while ref and old_ref
are "GRA", e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/28216214
we might add a loc_name="Il Raccordo" ;-)

cheers,
Martin

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Re: [OSM-talk] Multi city OSM mapping party around #desarrollandolatinoamerica

[Mike Dupont]

HI there,
I have talked to Luis from Panama, he would also like to take part. Is
there a way for people from panama to participate?
thanks,
mike

On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 11:13 PM, Alex Barth  wrote:
> This year desarrollando latino america [1] will be organizing another multi 
> city latin american hackathon on the first weekend of December. I'd like to 
> add an OpenStreetMap flavor to it and help organize mapping parties in each 
> of the participant cities either during or before the hackathon. Details are 
> still being determined, I just wanted to drop a quick heads up here and 
> encourage everybody who is interested in helping organize in one of the 
> cities below to get in touch. Either way, I will follow up with details on 
> this list.
>
> A quick list of cities that are confirmed so far, more to come:
>
> Argentina: Buenos Aires (possibly Cordoba, others)
> Brasil: Sao Paolo (possible Rio, Recife, others)
> Bolivia: La Paz
> Chile: Santiago (possibly Temuco, Concepción, Viña, Valparaiso, others)
> Costa Rica: San José
> Perú: Lima (& other)
> México: México DF
> Uruguay: Montevideo
>
> [1] http://desarrollandoamerica.org/
>
> Alex Barth
> http://twitter.com/lxbarth
> tel (+1) 202 250 3633
>
>
>
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[OSM-talk] Neocartography

[Steve Chilton]

Full (and fascinating) programme for ICA Neocartography session at UCL 5 Sept 
now available:
http://neocartography.icaci.org/
It would be good to see some more OSMers there.
Sign up (for free) with Eventbrite.
See also the Society of Cartographers conf which is linked from that page and 
may well have sessions of interest (eg Tilemill workshop).

Cheers
Steve

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phone: 020 8411 5355
email: ste...@mdx.ac.uk
Profile: http://www.middlesex.wikispaces.net/user/view/steve8

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Chair of ICA Neocartography Commission: http://www.soc.org.uk/neocartography/


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[OSM-talk] License Change plans?

[Mike N]

Now that the redaction bot has finished, what is remaining to bless the 
database as ODBL?


  Just asking because it will be good to see some of the consumers be 
able to switch to pulling their feeds from the new license rather than 
displaying data from April 2012.


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Re: [OSM-talk] License Change plans?

[john whelan]

Do we need to consider the ways that have been derived from GPS tracks that
were licensed CC-by-SA and tag values such as road names where the original
has been replaced but tag information has been copied over for our
consumers to be reassured the data is .ODBL clean?

Cheerio John

On 13 August 2012 12:06, Mike N  wrote:

> Now that the redaction bot has finished, what is remaining to bless the
> database as ODBL?
>
>   Just asking because it will be good to see some of the consumers be able
> to switch to pulling their feeds from the new license rather than
> displaying data from April 2012.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Neocartography

[Robert Scott]

On Monday 13 August 2012, Steve Chilton wrote:
> Full (and fascinating) programme for ICA Neocartography session at UCL 5 Sept 
> now available:
> http://neocartography.icaci.org/
> It would be good to see some more OSMers there.
> Sign up (for free) with Eventbrite.
> See also the Society of Cartographers conf which is linked from that page and 
> may well have sessions of interest (eg Tilemill workshop).

Tempting, tempting...


robert.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Neocartography

[Robert Scott]

On Monday 13 August 2012, Robert Scott wrote:
> On Monday 13 August 2012, Steve Chilton wrote:
> > Full (and fascinating) programme for ICA Neocartography session at UCL 5 
> > Sept now available:
> > http://neocartography.icaci.org/
> > It would be good to see some more OSMers there.
> > Sign up (for free) with Eventbrite.
> > See also the Society of Cartographers conf which is linked from that page 
> > and may well have sessions of interest (eg Tilemill workshop).
> 
> Tempting, tempting...

Sorry list, that was meant to be a private reply.

/me continues with normal level of incompetence.


robert.

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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMapWidget

[Aleksandra Milanovic]

Made some adjustments in order to make UI elements look normal on Opera Mobile.
Can someone with a small screen and OperaMobile confirm this?

Thank you,
Sandra

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Re: [OSM-talk] License Change plans?

[Grant Slater]

On 13 August 2012 18:05, john whelan  wrote:
> Do we need to consider the ways that have been derived from GPS tracks that
> were licensed CC-by-SA and tag values such as road names where the original
> has been replaced but tag information has been copied over for our consumers
> to be reassured the data is .ODBL clean?
>

John, please at least have the integrity to say that this is an issue
raised on the FOSM fork forum, of which you are an active member.

On Peter Millar's (sherbourne) claim raised on the FOSM forum, I have
removed the data and remapped. Peter Millar is welcome to remove the
GPS traces (as per a LWG email to him a few weeks ago), the data
working group is also happy to do this on his behalf if notified.

OSM as an online service provider will act accordingly on copyright
takedowns. The OSMF has a register copyright agent, otherwise
copyright owners are welcome to email the OSMF's Licensing Working
Group or Data working group with specific cases.

On a personal note: I find it offensive that FOSM members continue to
use OpenStreetMap resources for FOSM mapping, while taking an
aggressive attitude against OpenStreetMap. I spent many hours of sweat
and creativity work setting up unique services like OSM's EPSG:3857
OSSV tile server, the new OS1 tile server, AGRI, Surrey Aerial Imagery
(ODbL Licensed) servers etc. It would be better if we got along.

Regards
 Grant

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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMapWidget

[sabas88]

2012/8/13 Aleksandra Milanovic 

> Made some adjustments in order to make UI elements look normal on
> Opera Mobile.

Can someone with a small screen and OperaMobile confirm this?
>

Seems better now!
I found the "Edit placemark" popup now (I entered both from phone and the
pc), on the phone the popup is too big and I cannot pan the page, like
Opera doesn't understand there's the big jquery dialog opened.. Perhaps
sizing also the dialog could be a fix?

>
> Thank you,
> Sandra
>

Cheers,
Stefano
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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMapWidget

[Manfred A. Reiter]

Hi Sandra,

OS Android 2.3.

1. Opera mini ... map not displayed
2. Oper mobile ... WORKS FINE!!! ... even substitute for the right button
;-)
3. Standard Browser ... Map not displayed

## Manfred - (android) mobil - please excuse typos and brevity.
Am 13.08.2012 19:34 schrieb "Aleksandra Milanovic" <
sandraa.milano...@gmail.com>:

> Made some adjustments in order to make UI elements look normal on Opera
> Mobile.
> Can someone with a small screen and OperaMobile confirm this?
>
> Thank you,
> Sandra
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[OSM-talk] remapping sydney visualization

[Ian Villeda]

Hi everyone,

Here's a map I made of the remapping efforts in Sydney. The users
represented are those using Simon Poole's Task Manager [1] to remap the
area - I'm sure there other mappers who have done significant repairs but
haven't been using the task manager. Specifically, these are all the nodes
created or edited by remappers the two weeks between July26 and August 7.
The map was made with Tilemill [2] and a really long OverpassAPI call [3].
You can see how many nodes were either created or edited by each user in
this gist [4].

the map:
https://tiles.mapbox.com/villeda/map/map-m7isafy8

You can make similar visualizations following this guide [5], but I'm
particularly interested in how visualizations like this could be helpful in
motivating remapping efforts, and what we can do to make progress
visualizations like this one more better + more effective. I'm excited to
hear feedback, or where else visualizations might be useful.

Thanks,

-ian
https://twitter.com/ian_villeda
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ian29

[1]: http://rebuild.poole.ch/
[2]: http://mapbox.com/tilemill/
[3]: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Overpass_API/Language_Guide
[4]: https://gist.github.com/3341429
[5]: http://mapbox.com/blog/how-to-map-contributions-openstreetmap/
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Re: [OSM-talk] Multi city OSM mapping party around #desarrollandolatinoamerica

[Alex Barth]

Mike, Luis: Absolutely. The structure of the event is not yet finalized, but 
we'll likely develop a suggested syllabus for a two day workshop and let people 
on the ground decide how they actually would like to structure the event. I'll 
follow up with a separate email directly to you guys.

Mapping this weekend in Mexico DF went really well, btw:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/lxbarth/diary/17499

Cheers, Alex

On Aug 13, 2012, at 9:37 AM, Mike Dupont wrote:

> HI there,
> I have talked to Luis from Panama, he would also like to take part. Is
> there a way for people from panama to participate?
> thanks,
> mike
> 
> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 11:13 PM, Alex Barth  wrote:
>> This year desarrollando latino america [1] will be organizing another multi 
>> city latin american hackathon on the first weekend of December. I'd like to 
>> add an OpenStreetMap flavor to it and help organize mapping parties in each 
>> of the participant cities either during or before the hackathon. Details are 
>> still being determined, I just wanted to drop a quick heads up here and 
>> encourage everybody who is interested in helping organize in one of the 
>> cities below to get in touch. Either way, I will follow up with details on 
>> this list.
>> 
>> A quick list of cities that are confirmed so far, more to come:
>> 
>> Argentina: Buenos Aires (possibly Cordoba, others)
>> Brasil: Sao Paolo (possible Rio, Recife, others)
>> Bolivia: La Paz
>> Chile: Santiago (possibly Temuco, Concepción, Viña, Valparaiso, others)
>> Costa Rica: San José
>> Perú: Lima (& other)
>> México: México DF
>> Uruguay: Montevideo
>> 
>> [1] http://desarrollandoamerica.org/
>> 
>> Alex Barth
>> http://twitter.com/lxbarth
>> tel (+1) 202 250 3633
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Neocartography

[Russ Nelson]

Robert Scott writes:
 > Sorry list, that was meant to be a private reply.
 > 
 > /me continues with normal level of incompetence.

Not your fault. http://russnelson.com/rt.html

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Re: [OSM-talk] Updated redaction oneway map

[Toby Murray]

On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 1:34 AM, Toby Murray  wrote:
> I just updated my "oneway" map that shows ways with a oneway tag but
> without a highway tag that were last touched by the redaction bot. I
> have been updating the tiles every couple of days but at the
> suggestion of someone on IRC I just added bridge and lanes tags to the
> list in addition to oneway. The world is rendered to z10, most of
> europe to z11 and specific high density cities to z13. (Several places
> in the US, Europe and Australia) If you want a specific area rendered
> to a higher zoom, feel free to send me a bbox.
>
> If you use these tiles as an imagery layer in JOSM as suggested at the
> bottom of the page, be sure to flush your tile cache for that layer
> every couple of days to pick up changes. (right click with this as the
> only visible imagery layer and select the "Flush tile cache" option)
>
> I can see the .osm file I render from shrinking every time I update so
> progress is being made! It started at over 10 MB and was about ready
> to go under 5 MB when I added the additional tags which put it back up
> over 6.
>
> http://ni.kwsn.net/~toby/OSM/maps/redaction.html

Earlier today I noticed that I had a slight error in my rendering
rules. I added bridge, lanes and tunnel to the list of queried tags
but not to the rendering. So I just uploaded a new set of tiles with
fresh data (as of a couple hours ago) and the new rendering rules. So
there may be additional problem ways to check now.

Toby

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