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Re: [OSM-talk] How to improve addressing?

2012-11-09 Thread Steven Johnson

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On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Steven Johnson  wrote:

> Jeff,
>
> A couple thoughts...
>
> With respect to best practices, I presented some ideas for US mappers at
> this year's State of the Map on improving address tags[1]. Feel free to
> review my presentation and comment (here or on the Talk-US list). I still
> intend to put together an RFC and solicit more feedback from the community.
>
> There are also pointers to more resources on the OSM wiki under Address
> Improvement[2]. I'd invite you to contribute to the page and note any
> peculiarities with addresses in your region.
>
> Best,
>
> -- SEJ
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>
> "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen."
> -- Einstein
>
> [1] http://www.slideshare.net/geomantic/so-tm-121014
> [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Address_Improvement
>
>
>
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>>4. Re: How to improve addressing? (deng dongpo)
>>5. Re: How to improve addressing? (Philip Barnes)
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>> At SOTM US 2012, SteveC mentioned addressing as a high priority for making
>> OSM more usable, etc.
>>
>> Does anyone have a primer on best practices for improving OSM addressing
>> quality quickly & efficiently?
>>
>> For example, I like to walk around my hood, drawing houses & adding house
>> numbers, but that strikes me as inefficient for making any significant
>> impact (although it is strangely therapeutic) on a larger scale. Should we
>> be marking block numbers, etc., to provide a max / min for each block?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jeff
>>
>>
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>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Jeff Meyer  wrote:
>> > At SOTM US 2012, SteveC mentioned addressing as a high priority for
>> making
>> > OSM more usable, etc.
>> >
>> > Does anyone have a primer on best practices for improving OSM addressing
>> > quality quickly & efficiently?
>> >
>> > For example, I like to walk around my hood, drawing houses & adding
>> house
>> > numbers, but that strikes me as inefficient for making any significant
>> > impact (although it is strangely therapeutic) on a la

Re: [OSM-talk] talk Digest, Vol 99, Issue 19

2012-11-09 Thread Steven Johnson

Jeff,

A couple thoughts...

With respect to best practices, I presented some ideas for US mappers at
this year's State of the Map on improving address tags[1]. Feel free to
review my presentation and comment (here or on the Talk-US list). I still
intend to put together an RFC and solicit more feedback from the community.

There are also pointers to more resources on the OSM wiki under Address
Improvement[2]. I'd invite you to contribute to the page and note any
peculiarities with addresses in your region.

Best,

-- SEJ
-- twitter: @geomantic
-- skype: sejohnson8

"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen." --
Einstein

[1] http://www.slideshare.net/geomantic/so-tm-121014
[2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Address_Improvement


On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 5:22 PM,  wrote:

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> Today's Topics:
>
>1. How to improve addressing? (Jeff Meyer)
>2. Re: How to improve addressing? (Martijn van Exel)
>3. Re: How to improve addressing? (Svavar Kjarrval)
>4. Re: How to improve addressing? (deng dongpo)
>5. Re: How to improve addressing? (Philip Barnes)
>6. Re: How to improve addressing? (Toby Murray)
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> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 11:34:38 -0800
> From: Jeff Meyer 
> To: OpenStreetMap Talk Mailing List 
> Subject: [OSM-talk] How to improve addressing?
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> At SOTM US 2012, SteveC mentioned addressing as a high priority for making
> OSM more usable, etc.
>
> Does anyone have a primer on best practices for improving OSM addressing
> quality quickly & efficiently?
>
> For example, I like to walk around my hood, drawing houses & adding house
> numbers, but that strikes me as inefficient for making any significant
> impact (although it is strangely therapeutic) on a larger scale. Should we
> be marking block numbers, etc., to provide a max / min for each block?
>
> Thanks,
> Jeff
>
>
> --
> Jeff Meyer
> Global World History Atlas
> www.gwhat.org
> j...@gwhat.org
> 206-676-2347
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> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:47:54 -0700
> From: Martijn van Exel 
> To: Jeff Meyer 
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> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] How to improve addressing?
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> Do you have an Android device? You might like KeypadMapper:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/KeypadMapper
>
> (Have still yet to try it myself! Will install it immediately)
>
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Jeff Meyer  wrote:
> > At SOTM US 2012, SteveC mentioned addressing as a high priority for
> making
> > OSM more usable, etc.
> >
> > Does anyone have a primer on best practices for improving OSM addressing
> > quality quickly & efficiently?
> >
> > For example, I like to walk around my hood, drawing houses & adding house
> > numbers, but that strikes me as inefficient for making any significant
> > impact (although it is strangely therapeutic) on a larger scale. Should
> we
> > be marking block numbers, etc., to provide a max / min for each block?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jeff Meyer
> > Global World History Atlas
> > www.gwhat.org
> > j...@gwhat.org
> > 206-676-2347
> >
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Re: [OSM-talk] How to improve addressing?

2012-11-09 Thread Toby Murray

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Jeff Meyer  wrote:
> At SOTM US 2012, SteveC mentioned addressing as a high priority for making
> OSM more usable, etc.
>
> Does anyone have a primer on best practices for improving OSM addressing
> quality quickly & efficiently?
>
> For example, I like to walk around my hood, drawing houses & adding house
> numbers, but that strikes me as inefficient for making any significant
> impact (although it is strangely therapeutic) on a larger scale. Should we
> be marking block numbers, etc., to provide a max / min for each block?

Doing anything in OSM as a single user in an inefficient way of making
a significant impact. This is why we call it "crowd" sourcing :)

Yes, you can use an address interpolation[1] to do a whole block at a
time. Here in the US I kind of feel like this is a waste of time
though since Nominatim already pulls in what is essentially an address
interpolation from external TIGER data. So if I'm going to add address
information I might as well make it better than what is already
available. But in places without such external data I think address
interpolations are a decent way of getting address coverage done
quickly. Although I'm not sure if anything besides Nominatim really
supports interpolations...

Beyond that, I think it comes down to the same thing it always comes
down to. More mappers. Specifically for address data I think there is
a lot we can do to simplify the process. For example, if all I want to
do is add an address and maybe some contact info to a POI that already
exists, why do I need a full featured geospatial data editor like P2
or JOSM? Why not a simple web form? I think as OSM gets into more
maintenance of existing data as opposed to adding of new data, simple
tag editors will be a good thing anyway.

Oh and KeypadMapper is definitely a winner. I was able to collect
about 120 residential addresses on a single stroll around my
neighborhood. It took me longer to process the data once I got home
but that's because I ended up drawing outlines of each house as I
placed the address node from the KeypadMapper file.

[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Addresses#Using_interpolation

Toby

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Re: [OSM-talk] How to improve addressing?

2012-11-09 Thread Philip Barnes

 I think you mean t-shirt, made me smile anyway.

 Phil
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On 09/11/2012 20:08 deng dongpo wrote:

Hi Jeff and all
I heard that the SteveC considered an address is high priority for
making OSM more usable from Dan Cooke, who is a keynote in ACM
GeoCrowd. http://www.geocrowd.eu/workshop_2012/

Coincidentally, Taiwan OSM community is running a map contest on how
many addresses mappers make after SotM this year in Japan. This is
because a T-shit received from OSM Japan after SotM. In order to send
this T-shit to Taiwan mappers, we started the map contest.

http://www.geocrowd.eu/workshop_2012/

Few people registered this contest, but many TW mappers are attracted
to make address on the map. I would not say that this contest is
successful. At least, we encouraged more Taiwanese mappers to give
address data.

Cheers,
Dongpo

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Jeff Meyer  wrote:
> At SOTM US 2012, SteveC mentioned addressing as a high priority for making
> OSM more usable, etc.
>
> Does anyone have a primer on best practices for improving OSM addressing
> quality quickly & efficiently?
>
> For example, I like to walk around my hood, drawing houses & adding house
> numbers, but that strikes me as inefficient for making any significant
> impact (although it is strangely therapeutic) on a larger scale. Should we
> be marking block numbers, etc., to provide a max / min for each block?
>
> Thanks,
> Jeff
>
>
> --
> Jeff Meyer
> Global World History Atlas
> www.gwhat.org
> j...@gwhat.org
> 206-676-2347
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Re: [OSM-talk] How to improve addressing?

2012-11-09 Thread deng dongpo

Hi Jeff and all
I heard that the SteveC considered an address is high priority for
making OSM more usable from Dan Cooke, who is a keynote in ACM
GeoCrowd. http://www.geocrowd.eu/workshop_2012/

Coincidentally, Taiwan OSM community is running a map contest on how
many addresses mappers make after SotM this year in Japan. This is
because a T-shit received from OSM Japan after SotM. In order to send
this T-shit to Taiwan mappers, we started the map contest.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Taiwan/2012_Competition

Few people registered this contest, but many TW mappers are attracted
to make address on the map. I would not say that this contest is
successful. At least, we encouraged more Taiwanese mappers to give
address data.

Cheers,
Dongpo

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Jeff Meyer  wrote:
> At SOTM US 2012, SteveC mentioned addressing as a high priority for making
> OSM more usable, etc.
>
> Does anyone have a primer on best practices for improving OSM addressing
> quality quickly & efficiently?
>
> For example, I like to walk around my hood, drawing houses & adding house
> numbers, but that strikes me as inefficient for making any significant
> impact (although it is strangely therapeutic) on a larger scale. Should we
> be marking block numbers, etc., to provide a max / min for each block?
>
> Thanks,
> Jeff
>
>
> --
> Jeff Meyer
> Global World History Atlas
> www.gwhat.org
> j...@gwhat.org
> 206-676-2347
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] How to improve addressing?

2012-11-09 Thread Svavar Kjarrval

I have good experience with OsmPad (
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OsmPad). Although you can't actually
draw houses in it, you can mark addresses and it's especially good if
you have already drawn the houses.

- Svavar Kjarrval

On 09/11/12 19:34, Jeff Meyer wrote:
> At SOTM US 2012, SteveC mentioned addressing as a high priority for
> making OSM more usable, etc.
>
> Does anyone have a primer on best practices for improving OSM
> addressing quality quickly & efficiently?
>
> For example, I like to walk around my hood, drawing houses & adding
> house numbers, but that strikes me as inefficient for making any
> significant impact (although it is strangely therapeutic) on a larger
> scale. Should we be marking block numbers, etc., to provide a max /
> min for each block?
>
> Thanks,
> Jeff
>
>
> -- 
> Jeff Meyer
> Global World History Atlas
> www.gwhat.org 
> j...@gwhat.org 
> 206-676-2347
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] How to improve addressing?

2012-11-09 Thread Martijn van Exel

Do you have an Android device? You might like KeypadMapper:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/KeypadMapper

(Have still yet to try it myself! Will install it immediately)

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Jeff Meyer  wrote:
> At SOTM US 2012, SteveC mentioned addressing as a high priority for making
> OSM more usable, etc.
>
> Does anyone have a primer on best practices for improving OSM addressing
> quality quickly & efficiently?
>
> For example, I like to walk around my hood, drawing houses & adding house
> numbers, but that strikes me as inefficient for making any significant
> impact (although it is strangely therapeutic) on a larger scale. Should we
> be marking block numbers, etc., to provide a max / min for each block?
>
> Thanks,
> Jeff
>
>
> --
> Jeff Meyer
> Global World History Atlas
> www.gwhat.org
> j...@gwhat.org
> 206-676-2347
>
>
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[OSM-talk] How to improve addressing?

2012-11-09 Thread Jeff Meyer

At SOTM US 2012, SteveC mentioned addressing as a high priority for making
OSM more usable, etc.

Does anyone have a primer on best practices for improving OSM addressing
quality quickly & efficiently?

For example, I like to walk around my hood, drawing houses & adding house
numbers, but that strikes me as inefficient for making any significant
impact (although it is strangely therapeutic) on a larger scale. Should we
be marking block numbers, etc., to provide a max / min for each block?

Thanks,
Jeff


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