Re: [OSM-talk] [HOT] Floods in Serbia and Bosnia and Herzegovina

[Pierre Béland]

See the Map of flooded zones, May 2014 (Red NASA Lance Modis / Light red 
European Commission Copernicus) 

at 
http://floodobservatory.colorado.edu/RapidResponse/2014Bosnia4139/2014Bosnia.html



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Re: [OSM-talk] undiscussed (?) mechanical edit on diet:vegan and diet:vegetarian

[Philip Barnes]

On Tue, 2014-05-20 at 13:25 -0300, John Packer wrote:
> For a more complete picture:
> 
> This user (BuganiniQ) first added diet:vegetarian=yes and
> diet:vegan=yes to places with cuisine=vegan, and diet:vegetarian=yes
> to places with cuisine=vegetarian.
> 
> It does not seem too much of a stretch to do that.
> 
> 
> Then later he corrected these tags to diet:vegan=only to places with
> cuisine=vegan (without diet:vegetarian=yes) and diet:vegetarian=only
> to places with cuisine=vegetarian.
> 
> The question really is whether he removed/changed tags only from the
> objects he added these tags, or if he just selected all of them.
> 
I would question whether vegan or vegetarian are types of cuisine. You
can have vegetarian restaurants serving very different cuisines, tagging
such as cuisine=indian diet=vegetarian, cuisine=british diet=vegetarian.
If you use cuisine=vegetarian then you loose that important information.

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[OSM-talk] undiscussed (?) mechanical edit on diet:vegan and diet:vegetarian

[John Packer]

For a more complete picture:
This user (BuganiniQ) first added diet:vegetarian=yes and diet:vegan=yes to
places with cuisine=vegan, and diet:vegetarian=yes to places with
cuisine=vegetarian.
It does not seem too much of a stretch to do that.

Then later he corrected these tags to diet:vegan=only to places with
cuisine=vegan (without diet:vegetarian=yes) and diet:vegetarian=only to
places with cuisine=vegetarian.
The question really is whether he removed/changed tags only from the
objects he added these tags, or if he just selected all of them.

Cheers,
John

2014-05-20 12:42 GMT+02:00 Michael Reichert :

> No, not every mechanical edit. There is no sharp border. The example you
> gave correct errors. Such edits should not have to be discussed. But the
> changeset I gave changed tagging and IMHO did not fix errors (see the
> linked wiki page).
>


+1, well-meaning "tag-normalization" should not be tolerated without
discussion, not even if the wiki proposes different tags, while fixing
typos should.

cheers,
Martin
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Re: [OSM-talk] Visualizing mapping history of an area

[Clifford Snow]

On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 4:28 AM, Arun Ganesh wrote:

> The area of interest is a small town called Talasari, north of Mumbai [2].
> The students had very low experience with computers and most had to start
> from creating email ids. The area was blank a couple of months ago, so it
> will be interesting to see how the mapping progressed over time. Any
> resources to do this will be appreciated, since I could not find anything
> on the wiki except proposals[3].


Check out ITO World visualization tools. www.itoworld.com - I don't believe
you can go back in time, but you can capture edits going forward. However
it only captures ways and not nodes. They have tutorial to help you get
started.

Clifford
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Re: [OSM-talk] undiscussed (?) mechanical edit on diet:vegan and diet:vegetarian

[colliar]

Am 20.05.2014 13:04, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
> 
> 2014-05-20 12:42 GMT+02:00 Michael Reichert  >:
> 
> No, not every mechanical edit. There is no sharp border. The example you
> gave correct errors. Such edits should not have to be discussed. But the
> changeset I gave changed tagging and IMHO did not fix errors (see the
> linked wiki page).
> 
> 
> 
> +1, well-meaning "tag-normalization" should not be tolerated without
> discussion, not even if the wiki proposes different tags, while fixing
> typos should.

+1

but please be friendly and explain the difference to the user. IMHO we
should add this information to the wiki.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Level0 Updates

[Pierre Béland]

Thanks to both.  OSM is an ecosystem with great developpers and international 
community. Your efforts greatly help for the various Humanitarian activations. 


Level0 French translation revised :)

 
Pierre 




 De : Ilya Zverev 
À : talk@openstreetmap.org 
Envoyé le : Mardi 20 mai 2014 3h26
Objet : [OSM-talk] Level0 Updates
 

Hi! Jochen's work on Taginfo encouraged me to work on Level0's github 
issues, and today I'm releasing version 1.1 of the editor.

The major (well…) change is that whitespace trimmed from keys and values 
is now registered as modification. For example, a downloaded object with 
"name " key will be displayed without the trailing space, but will be 
marked as modified and uploaded with other modifications. You can't not 
have whitespace trimmed.

All changes can now be reviewed by pressing "Show osmChange" button: it 
will display XML data that would be uploaded to the server.

Custom changeset tags can be specified by adding a "changeset" object. 
And Overpass API links are now allowed for downloading.

Full changelog is here: 
https://github.com/Zverik/Level0/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md


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[OSM-talk] Visualizing mapping history of an area

[Arun Ganesh]

Are there any tools available to make an animation of the mapping progress
of an area over a few months, like the party render[1]? This is to showcase
the work of college students from a tribal area in India where OSM was
introduced as a lab activity.

The area of interest is a small town called Talasari, north of Mumbai [2].
The students had very low experience with computers and most had to start
from creating email ids. The area was blank a couple of months ago, so it
will be interesting to see how the mapping progressed over time. Any
resources to do this will be appreciated, since I could not find anything
on the wiki except proposals[3].

[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Party_render
[2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/20.12429/72.91856
[3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/History_API_and_Database

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Re: [OSM-talk] undiscussed (?) mechanical edit on diet:vegan and diet:vegetarian

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2014-05-20 12:42 GMT+02:00 Michael Reichert :

> No, not every mechanical edit. There is no sharp border. The example you
> gave correct errors. Such edits should not have to be discussed. But the
> changeset I gave changed tagging and IMHO did not fix errors (see the
> linked wiki page).
>


+1, well-meaning "tag-normalization" should not be tolerated without
discussion, not even if the wiki proposes different tags, while fixing
typos should.

cheers,
Martin
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Re: [OSM-talk] undiscussed (?) mechanical edit on diet:vegan and diet:vegetarian

[Michael Reichert]

Hi,

Am 20.05.2014 12:26, schrieb SomeoneElse:
> Michael Reichert wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have discovered a mechanical edit of 100 restaurants worldwide by user
>> BuganiniQ.
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/22303143
>> comment=update diet:vegen/diet:vegetarian: set to only according to
>> cuisine; remove redundant tags
>> created_by=osmapi/0.2.24
>>
>> Has this edit been discussed before? (Maybe I have missed the
>> discussion) I have not found anything browsing through the archives of
>> talk and imports mailing list back to March 2014. There are also no
>> results when I look for user BuganiniQ in OSM forum.
>>
> I've not seen any discussion anywhere of this one.

I always ask or look properly before I report someone to DWG.

> In practice, there are _lots_ of these sorts of well-meaning "tidying
> up" edits; relatively few of which are ever discussed. Most are entirely
> sensible (for example, see
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/24991952/history , which is in the most
> recent such changeset that crosses where I live).
> 
> Should all such changesets be cleared as "mechanical edits" first? The
> current guidelines suggest yes, but in practice this isn't done in
> changesets that are "obviously correct" such as the maxspeed one above. 
> The tricky bit is to tell where the person doing the edit doesn't
> understand the nuances present in the keys and values concerned (as I'm
> sure that I don't with vegan etc.).

No, not every mechanical edit. There is no sharp border. The example you
gave correct errors. Such edits should not have to be discussed. But the
changeset I gave changed tagging and IMHO did not fix errors (see the
linked wiki page).

OT: If you want, you can report this (max_speed -> maxspeed) to user
Oli-Wan the maintainer of the bot Wall·E [2]. This bot operates at the
moment only in Germany and Austria but can be extended to other
countries if the local community wants it.

Best regards

Michael


[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Oli-Wan
[2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Oli-Wan/Wall-E


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Re: [OSM-talk] undiscussed (?) mechanical edit on diet:vegan and diet:vegetarian

[SomeoneElse]

Michael Reichert wrote:

Hi,

I have discovered a mechanical edit of 100 restaurants worldwide by user
BuganiniQ.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/22303143
comment=update diet:vegen/diet:vegetarian: set to only according to
cuisine; remove redundant tags
created_by=osmapi/0.2.24

Has this edit been discussed before? (Maybe I have missed the
discussion) I have not found anything browsing through the archives of
talk and imports mailing list back to March 2014. There are also no
results when I look for user BuganiniQ in OSM forum.


I've not seen any discussion anywhere of this one.

In practice, there are _lots_ of these sorts of well-meaning "tidying 
up" edits; relatively few of which are ever discussed. Most are entirely 
sensible (for example, see 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/24991952/history , which is in the most 
recent such changeset that crosses where I live).


Should all such changesets be cleared as "mechanical edits" first? The 
current guidelines suggest yes, but in practice this isn't done in 
changesets that are "obviously correct" such as the maxspeed one above.  
The tricky bit is to tell where the person doing the edit doesn't 
understand the nuances present in the keys and values concerned (as I'm 
sure that I don't with vegan etc.).


Cheers,

Andy


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[OSM-talk] undiscussed (?) mechanical edit on diet:vegan and diet:vegetarian

[Michael Reichert]

Hi,

I have discovered a mechanical edit of 100 restaurants worldwide by user
BuganiniQ.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/22303143
comment=update diet:vegen/diet:vegetarian: set to only according to
cuisine; remove redundant tags
created_by=osmapi/0.2.24

Has this edit been discussed before? (Maybe I have missed the
discussion) I have not found anything browsing through the archives of
talk and imports mailing list back to March 2014. There are also no
results when I look for user BuganiniQ in OSM forum.

About the edit: He has removed diet:vegetarian=* if the object was
tagged diet:vegan=yes or diet:vegan=only.
If it was tagged cuisine=vegetarian, diet:vegetarian=yes, he changed it
to cuisine=vegetarian, diet:vegetarian=only. If it was tagged
cuisine=vegan, he removed diet:vegetarian=*.

You can see the full tag diff at
http://osmhv.openstreetmap.de/changeset.jsp?id=22303143

There is a wiki page about it. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:diet
The wiki page has been saying "(N.B. it may be helpful to tag
diet:vegetarian=only and diet:vegan=yes)" since the first version of
this page on May 5, 2011.

Best regards

Michael


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[OSM-talk] Level0 Updates

[Ilya Zverev]

Hi! Jochen's work on Taginfo encouraged me to work on Level0's github 
issues, and today I'm releasing version 1.1 of the editor.


The major (well…) change is that whitespace trimmed from keys and values 
is now registered as modification. For example, a downloaded object with 
"name " key will be displayed without the trailing space, but will be 
marked as modified and uploaded with other modifications. You can't not 
have whitespace trimmed.


All changes can now be reviewed by pressing "Show osmChange" button: it 
will display XML data that would be uploaded to the server.


Custom changeset tags can be specified by adding a "changeset" object. 
And Overpass API links are now allowed for downloading.


Full changelog is here: 
https://github.com/Zverik/Level0/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md



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