Re: [OSM-talk] web page element browsing history regression

[Paul Norman]

On 8/25/2014 9:43 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:

I understand that this is an open source project with volunteer contributions, 
but that part actually WAS already functional for years. Would it be possible 
to get the old browsing and history pages back, at least until someone comes up 
with an improvement?
Some people view the new pages as an improvement. Some don't. There's no 
universal opinion.



Is there support for such a partial rollback?
Leaving aside if it's a good idea, to do such a rollback would require 
someone coding it. I really doubt any of the people normally involved in 
coding on the rails port are interested, and I suspect it's not a 
trivial revert.


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Re: [OSM-talk] web page element browsing history regression

[Alex Rollin]

+1 on some solution for the mobile refresh

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On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 11:43 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer <
dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It's been some time now that the new web page is deployed, and despite the
> overall improvement, the regression for object browsing (tiny part of the
> screen is actually useful, map occupies most of the screen but is really
> not needed or could be much smaller at least, the current presentation
> style leads to scrolling requirement for any slightly more complex object)
> is still bothering the users. Also dates and times are not shown any more,
> instead there is approximated text like "almost 6 years ago", "12 months
> ago" etc.
>
> The fact that map data is loaded for every browse page also leads to
> significant traffic overhead, eg on mobile or other slow internet
> connections.
>
> I understand that this is an open source project with volunteer
> contributions, but that part actually WAS already functional for years.
> Would it be possible to get the old browsing and history pages back, at
> least until someone comes up with an improvement?
>
> Is there support for such a partial rollback?
>
> Cheers,
> Martin
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[OSM-talk] web page element browsing history regression

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

It's been some time now that the new web page is deployed, and despite the 
overall improvement, the regression for object browsing (tiny part of the 
screen is actually useful, map occupies most of the screen but is really not 
needed or could be much smaller at least, the current presentation style leads 
to scrolling requirement for any slightly more complex object) is still 
bothering the users. Also dates and times are not shown any more, instead there 
is approximated text like "almost 6 years ago", "12 months ago" etc.

The fact that map data is loaded for every browse page also leads to 
significant traffic overhead, eg on mobile or other slow internet connections.

I understand that this is an open source project with volunteer contributions, 
but that part actually WAS already functional for years. Would it be possible 
to get the old browsing and history pages back, at least until someone comes up 
with an improvement?

Is there support for such a partial rollback?

Cheers,
Martin
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Re: [OSM-talk] A new contributor action to be investigated

[Pierre Béland]

Serge

Sorry but I dont follow you here. After contacting the DWG, you answered me 
saying that you were looking at this but that I should contact the list. Then  
I addressed this to the list. 


Do you say that I am harassing a contributor by addressing the problem to the 
list?

 
Pierre 




 De : Serge Wroclawski 
À : Rafael Avila Coya  
Cc : talk@openstreetmap.org 
Envoyé le : Lundi 25 août 2014 10h20
Objet : Re: [OSM-talk] A new contributor action to be investigated
 


Rafeal,
There are circumstances which I cannot discuss at the moment. 
I would just to prevent any user harassment. 
- Serge


On Aug 25, 2014 10:06 AM, "Rafael Avila Coya"  wrote:

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>Hi, Serge:
>
>I don't see why people can't speak out their concerns about a user
>that is doing some suspicious edits, really.
>
>In case you think so, I don't feel guilty to have sent a message to
>this user at the request of Pierre Béland. It's not harmful in my
>opinion, whether s/he did it on purpose or not.
>
>I will let you go on with the research though. Thanks for that.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Rafael.
>
>On 25/08/14 21:40, Serge Wroclawski wrote:
>> Pierre,
>>
>> As the DWG person who is already working on this case, we have
>> said that we are investigating and will take action after our
>> investigation is complete.
>>
>> I will not discuss that investigation on this public forum, but
>> you knew this and decided to send this letter to talk despite this.
>> I am very saddened by this.
>>
>> I'm concerned that in response to your mail, there will be a lot
>> of people harassing this newbie (whether or not his actions in
>> this matter were correct).  This is not a positive response, so
>> please, instead, let the DWG continue its process.
>>
>>
>> - Serge
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Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who is behind that?

[Andreas Vilén]

Is the app centering on central Stockholm when the gps on the mobile device
isn't activated?

There have been created probably about 100 notes on the exact same location
in central Stockholm in all kinds of languages, probably by people trying
to report actual errors, but don't realize their gps is deactivated.

Maybe you could stop reports from being sent when the unit's gps is
deactivated?

/Andreas


On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Erik Mattsson 
wrote:

>  Enabling users to submit GPS traces is definitely in our to-do list,
> unfortunately it didn’t make it into the first iteration.
>
>
>
> The position of the note is stored as soon as the user opens the report
> tab, so the user can edit it for a while and when it is sent it’s still the
> position when he opened the menu that gets sent with the report. Including
> the heading should be fairly simple, we have also planned to include the
> position accuracy in the notes.
>
>
>
> Thank you for your feedback.
>
>
>
> //Erik
>
>
>
> *From:* Christian Quest [mailto:cqu...@openstreetmap.fr]
> *Sent:* den 21 augusti 2014 08:35
> *Cc:* OpenStreetMap
> *Subject:* Re: [OSM-talk] "Incorrect speed limit" anonymous notes - who
> is behind that?
>
>
>
> More (automatic) details in the notes could be useful.
>
>
>
> For example: add the heading (something like N, NW, etc)...
>
> Also make sure you're creating the note at the earliest position and not
> when the report is saved/confirmed.
>
>
>
> Have you considered sharing GPS traces ?
>
> This would be another major datafeed to improve OSM data quality...
>
>
>
>
>
> 2014-08-19 16:47 GMT+02:00 :
>
> Hi Eric
> Thanks for your comments,  I have been having a play with wisepilot and do
> quite like it.
>
> Pleased to see you are addressing the issues we have pointed out.
>
> I did find the login to osm after i used it, but used with care I found it
> excellent. It was a quiet time so I was able to stop where the limits
> changed and was then able to use the notes to indicate the points to split
> the ways.
>
> The fact I then used them helped, not so easy if it had been someone else.
>
> Thanks
> Phil (trigpoint )
>
>
> On Tue Aug 19 2014 13:58:06 GMT+0100 (BST), Erik Mattsson wrote:
> > Hi my name is Erik and I work as a developer at Appello that owns the
> Wisepilot application. In our latest release (5.1) we've included a first
> iteration for a report component with the intention to make it easier for
> our users to report map issues in OSM. Unfortunately the release for
> version 5.1 was pushed hard to be ready before the summer vacations which
> led to us not having much personnel here monitoring the feedback we got
> during the summer vacations. I'm very sorry we didn't get on the issues
> you've discussed in this thread earlier.
> >
> > Our intention with this report component is to try to increase the
> quality of the navigation data in OSM by making it easier for our users to
> report issues they see while driving. We've got quite a big chunk of users
> that aren't that "tech savvy" so we want to make it easy for these users to
> contribute to the map quality while using the application normally. These
> are users that feel that it's too big a step to go to the OSM page and edit
> the data directly. This was our first iteration and apparently we have
> quite a lot of issues to address here.
> >
> > All map notes users send go through our server to OSM and a copy is
> saved in our database so we can track the usage internally. We currently
> allow anonymous posting but since it seems like too many "spam" posts gets
> created we will try to impose limits that encourages users to register at
> OSM more. Users can sign in to OSM in the application and if they do the
> notes are posted as their account. We are working towards increasing the
> quality of the reports and any feedback from the community is very welcome.
> >
> > We switched from commercial map data to OSM quite recently(Feb - March)
> and since the switch we've been working on improving the OSM functionality
> in our application. This component is just one part of that.
> >
> > I've tried to read through most of the comments here and have made two
> small fixes that will be rolled out on our servers later today. Those are
> to block reports with 0 as speed and that we add a signature stating that
> the report was sent through us. In the short term we will try to make
> client changes that enforce some basic spam preventing rules and provides
> the users with more information about what happens with their reports. We
> will also look over the imperial/metric situation. As it is now we use the
> same system as the user does within the application and we did the
> assumption that users that drives in a country with imperial system also
> have the client set to imperial. In a lot of cases this doesn't seem to be
> the case though, so this needs to be addressed.
> >
> > Please feel free to contact me or supp...@appello.com (or here on
> OSM-talk) with fe

Re: [OSM-talk] Early History of OSM

[Christoph Hormann]

On Monday 25 August 2014, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>
> - the coastline is more recent than 2006

Since August 2006 seems to have been around the time when coastline 
mapping started there probably was hardly any data.

In case this is of interest, the oldest coastline node currently used 
seems to be

http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/12183965

mapped as part of a man_made=pier originally.  The earliest PGS imported 
node still in use apparently is

http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/13491356


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Re: [OSM-talk] A new contributor action to be investigated

[Rafael Avila Coya]

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Hi, Serge:

I appreciate your work in the DWG. I really do.

It's only that I can also understand, at the same time, the worries of
people that are working hard in an area like the ebola one. Some times
you (DWG) can be too busy to deal with all cases of potential vandalism.

As you can figure out, I sent the message before knowing you were
already investigating this issue. I try always to be polite with my
OSM messages asking for information about suspicious or wrong edits.

Good luck and thanks again.

Rafael.

On 25/08/14 22:20, Serge Wroclawski wrote:
> Rafeal,
> 
> There are circumstances which I cannot discuss at the moment.
> 
> I would just to prevent any user harassment.
> 
> - Serge
> 
> On Aug 25, 2014 10:06 AM, "Rafael Avila Coya"
> mailto:ravilac...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi, Serge:
> 
> I don't see why people can't speak out their concerns about a user 
> that is doing some suspicious edits, really.
> 
> In case you think so, I don't feel guilty to have sent a message
> to this user at the request of Pierre Béland. It's not harmful in
> my opinion, whether s/he did it on purpose or not.
> 
> I will let you go on with the research though. Thanks for that.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Rafael.
> 
> On 25/08/14 21:40, Serge Wroclawski wrote:
>> Pierre,
> 
>> As the DWG person who is already working on this case, we have 
>> said that we are investigating and will take action after our 
>> investigation is complete.
> 
>> I will not discuss that investigation on this public forum, but 
>> you knew this and decided to send this letter to talk despite
>> this. I am very saddened by this.
> 
>> I'm concerned that in response to your mail, there will be a lot 
>> of people harassing this newbie (whether or not his actions in 
>> this matter were correct).  This is not a positive response, so 
>> please, instead, let the DWG continue its process.
> 
> 
>> - Serge
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] A new contributor action to be investigated

[Serge Wroclawski]

Rafeal,

There are circumstances which I cannot discuss at the moment.

I would just to prevent any user harassment.

- Serge
On Aug 25, 2014 10:06 AM, "Rafael Avila Coya"  wrote:

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> Hi, Serge:
>
> I don't see why people can't speak out their concerns about a user
> that is doing some suspicious edits, really.
>
> In case you think so, I don't feel guilty to have sent a message to
> this user at the request of Pierre Béland. It's not harmful in my
> opinion, whether s/he did it on purpose or not.
>
> I will let you go on with the research though. Thanks for that.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rafael.
>
> On 25/08/14 21:40, Serge Wroclawski wrote:
> > Pierre,
> >
> > As the DWG person who is already working on this case, we have
> > said that we are investigating and will take action after our
> > investigation is complete.
> >
> > I will not discuss that investigation on this public forum, but
> > you knew this and decided to send this letter to talk despite this.
> > I am very saddened by this.
> >
> > I'm concerned that in response to your mail, there will be a lot
> > of people harassing this newbie (whether or not his actions in
> > this matter were correct).  This is not a positive response, so
> > please, instead, let the DWG continue its process.
> >
> >
> > - Serge
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Re: [OSM-talk] Early History of OSM

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

> Il giorno 25/ago/2014, alle ore 12:55, Ilya Zverev  ha 
> scritto:
> 
> Thanks, here is the map for August 2006: 
> http://osmz.ru/osm2006.html#6/53.462/5.08

interesting, thanks for posting this. I have two remarks why it seems 
missleading for the less informed:
- the coastline is more recent than 2006
- you have kept the external data from natural earth (builtup areas for midzoom)

So actually in 2006 there was even less map than it appears ;-)

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Re: [OSM-talk] A new contributor action to be investigated

[Rafael Avila Coya]

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Hi, Serge:

I don't see why people can't speak out their concerns about a user
that is doing some suspicious edits, really.

In case you think so, I don't feel guilty to have sent a message to
this user at the request of Pierre Béland. It's not harmful in my
opinion, whether s/he did it on purpose or not.

I will let you go on with the research though. Thanks for that.

Cheers,

Rafael.

On 25/08/14 21:40, Serge Wroclawski wrote:
> Pierre,
> 
> As the DWG person who is already working on this case, we have
> said that we are investigating and will take action after our
> investigation is complete.
> 
> I will not discuss that investigation on this public forum, but
> you knew this and decided to send this letter to talk despite this.
> I am very saddened by this.
> 
> I'm concerned that in response to your mail, there will be a lot
> of people harassing this newbie (whether or not his actions in
> this matter were correct).  This is not a positive response, so
> please, instead, let the DWG continue its process.
> 
> 
> - Serge
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Re: [OSM-talk] A new contributor action to be investigated

[Rafael Avila Coya]

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Hi, Pierre:

I just sent him/her a message:

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Deleting data from the OSM database
Maizenarockz
25 de Agosto de 2014 ás 13:43

Hi:

We have seen that you are deleting information from the OSM database
without any apparent reason. All information is useful, contrary to
what you put in the comments. Your deletions are being specially
harmful for the ongoing efforts in controlling the ebola outbreak in
West Africa.

Before we report this to the OpenStreetMap Data Working Group (OSM
DWG), could you please tell us why are you doing that?

Some of your changesets have been already reverted, but we surely
can't keep loosing time reverting this mess.

Regards,

Rafael Ávila Coya.

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I will wait let's say 1 day until s/he answers. In the mean time, I
will try to see what s/he is doing.

Cheers,

Rafael.

On 25/08/14 21:01, Pierre Béland wrote:
> 
> For the Ebola Activation, we have mapped a zone in priority for MSF
> in Monrovia. But a new mapper decides to eliminate buildings and
> roads. A lot of deletion so far. We are trying to revert for
> Monrovia. But there are other deletions around the world.
> 
> Could somebody take care of contacting this contributor. And
> probably some action will have to be taken from the DWG.
> 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Maizenarockz user since may 8,
> 
> changeset in Monrovia where he simply decides to delete. 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/24961189
> 
> 
> Deleting sites without useful information for users
> 
> 
> Pierre
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Por favor, non me envíe documentos con extensións .doc, .docx, .xls,
.xlsx, .ppt, .pptx, aínda podendoo facer,  non os abro.

Atendendo á lexislación vixente, empregue formatos estándares e abertos.

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument#Tipos_de_ficheros
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Re: [OSM-talk] A new contributor action to be investigated

[Serge Wroclawski]

Pierre,

As the DWG person who is already working on this case, we have said
that we are investigating and will take action after our investigation
is complete.

I will not discuss that investigation on this public forum, but you
knew this and decided to send this letter to talk despite this. I am
very saddened by this.

I'm concerned that in response to your mail, there will be a lot of
people harassing this newbie (whether or not his actions in this
matter were correct).  This is not a positive response, so please,
instead, let the DWG continue its process.


- Serge

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Re: [OSM-talk] A new contributor action to be investigated

[SomeoneElse]

On 25/08/2014 14:01, Pierre Béland wrote:



Could somebody take care of contacting this contributor.


I'd have thought that in the first instance you were best placed to do 
this, since you know what you mapped and why, and you can ask why things 
were deleted?


Unless you know what their languages is and that you don't speak it (and 
they don't speak yours)?


Cheers,

Andy

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[OSM-talk] A new contributor action to be investigated

[Pierre Béland]

For the Ebola Activation, we have mapped a zone in priority for MSF in 
Monrovia. But a new mapper decides to eliminate buildings and roads. A lot of 
deletion so far. We are trying to revert for Monrovia. But there are other 
deletions around the world.

Could somebody take care of contacting this contributor. And probably some 
action will have to be taken from the DWG.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Maizenarockz
user since may 8, 


changeset in Monrovia where he simply decides to delete. 

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/24961189

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[OSM-talk] Early History of OSM

[Ilya Zverev]

Frederik Ramm wrote:
> I happen to have a number of really old PostgreSQL databases lying
> around and I tried to quickly expose them to anyone who would like to
> have a go at rendering old maps. Caveat: These *only* cover the "non US"
> part of the planet (the databases were created for animation purposes
> and at the time, US data was plentiful but relatively static and
> therefore useless for animations).

Thanks, here is the map for August 2006: 
http://osmz.ru/osm2006.html#6/53.462/5.087
No point in comparing it to the modern one, I guess.

IZ


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[OSM-talk] Internet Archive - OSM

[Hans De Kryger]

If anyone wants to go back in time to see what osm use to look like. Here
you go.

https://web.archive.org/web/20120201004351/http://www.openstreetmap.org/

*Regards,*

*Hans*


*http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13
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