Re: [OSM-talk] iD news - v2.6.0 lots of new features...

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2018-01-23 11:57 GMT+01:00 Lester Caine :

>
> from my understanding, you should not use "addr:street" for the estate,
>> I'd suggest "addr:place".
>>
> NO ... the postal element "addr:street" is 'Weston Industrial Estate' so
> building a postal address from addr: elements needs that element. The
> adjacent road does not form part of the address.



NO, if there isn't a street with this name you must not use addr:street.
That's the kind of situation for which addr:place was introduced.



> However larger estates with multiple roads will have the name of the
> estate separate. Using "addr:place" if it is displayed before
> "addr:street", but other uses of "addr:place" need it AFTER street.



you are confusing the data and the format in which this data is locally
expected to be displayed. You should not enter the data in a way that is
wrong just to have the formatted address in one tool in an order that is
common for your area.


> Construction of an address from addr: elements should be consistent but
> *IS* something that will have a different template for each country, and
> adding more addr: fields just complicates that template? This is what is
> currently not documented?
>
> I don't like the idea that addr:number could be a housename, there is
>> addr:housename for this.
>>
> My point here is to loose the confusing mess and just have "addr:number"
> and then ->
>
> addr:property might be an option, if you deem addr:place inappropriate
>>
>

addr:place is used for situations where an address doesn't have a street
name, but is referring to a place.
addr:property doesn't make sense to me, but maybe I am not aware of your
situation. Is something speaking against adding a place=neighbourhood to
the settlement part with the name "Weston Industrial Estate"? i.e. this
one: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/83270098
The current way of mapping is like drawing a landuse=residential around a
village. It is done, but it is medium scale mapping. If you detail this
further, it will break.

For reference: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:addr:place

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Martin
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Re: [OSM-talk] iD news - v2.6.0 lots of new features...

[Lester Caine]

On 23/01/18 09:37, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2018-01-23 10:06 GMT+01:00 Lester Caine >:


  Actually it's more likely to be the estate name so for my near by
estate it is messy since I've ended up using 'housenumber' so that
it renders better and the street is 'Weston Industrial Estate' as it
appears with the postcode.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/145295590#map=18/52.07347/-1.82250


from my understanding, you should not use "addr:street" for the estate, 
I'd suggest "addr:place".
NO ... the postal element "addr:street" is 'Weston Industrial Estate' so 
building a postal address from addr: elements needs that element. The 
adjacent road does not form part of the address. However larger estates 
with multiple roads will have the name of the estate separate. Using 
"addr:place" if it is displayed before "addr:street", but other uses of 
"addr:place" need it AFTER street. Construction of an address from addr: 
elements should be consistent but *IS* something that will have a 
different template for each country, and adding more addr: fields just 
complicates that template? This is what is currently not documented?


I don't like the idea that addr:number could be a housename, there is 
addr:housename for this.
My point here is to loose the confusing mess and just have "addr:number" 
and then ->



addr:property might be an option, if you deem addr:place inappropriate
"addr:property" is the expanded format of the number. "addr:place" is an 
area with multiple premises and "addr:property" is an individually 
identified unit of accommodation/workspace/storage ... for a UK address 
template addr:place comes after addr:street and before addr:town while 
the estate name would normally come before addr:street ... but a UK 
addr:postcode would provide all the addr:street and later elements, just 
needing a tidy property reference ...


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Re: [OSM-talk] iD news - v2.6.0 lots of new features...

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2018-01-23 10:06 GMT+01:00 Lester Caine :

>  Actually it's more likely to be the estate name so for my near by estate
> it is messy since I've ended up using 'housenumber' so that it renders
> better and the street is 'Weston Industrial Estate' as it appears with the
> postcode.
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/145295590#map=18/52.07347/-1.82250
>



from my understanding, you should not use "addr:street" for the estate, I'd
suggest "addr:place".
I don't like the idea that addr:number could be a housename, there is
addr:housename for this.
addr:property might be an option, if you deem addr:place inappropriate

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Re: [OSM-talk] iD news - v2.6.0 lots of new features...

[Lester Caine]

On 22/01/18 22:27, Tom Hughes wrote:

I wouldn't say unit is common at all in the UK to be honest.

It's only really used for commercial units on industrial estates and 
things - you wouldn't normally see it in residential addresses like you 
do in many countries.


For the UK all that is required is 'property' and 'postcode' and for an 
industrial estate property may be 'Unit X' and postcode provides the 
rest of the street details. Adding 'street' is a little belt and braces, 
although people asking for your details will ask for 'first line of your 
address and postcode' in which case the 'Unit X' may or may not include 
the street. Actually it's more likely to be the estate name so for my 
near by estate it is messy since I've ended up using 'housenumber' so 
that it renders better and the street is 'Weston Industrial Estate' as 
it appears with the postcode.


https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/145295590#map=18/52.07347/-1.82250 
does not want 'Unit' in front of the numbers, so should the 
'addr:housenumber' now be changed to 'addr:unit' ... on one hand yes 
that would seem better, but I still think 'addr:housenumber' is wrong, 
and we should have 'addr:number' and 'addr:property' where 'number' 
would be the shorthand style of property reference ( and may even be a 
house name where not numbered ) and 'property' would be the expanded 
for. For 'unit' ... 'X' and 'Unit X' ... for office 'blocks' this may be 
something like 'B4A' for 'Block B, Floor 4, Office A' or something 
similar. Units on a storage site may well be more complex than just 
number.


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