[OSM-talk] Hikar update - campsites,, hostels and mountain huts

[Nick Whitelegg]

Hi,

Thanks to everyone who attended my talk on Hikar (OSM augmented reality Android 
app for hikers, https://hikar.org) at SOTM!

Just a quick heads up on some small changes (version 0.3.1), partly as a result 
of feedback at SOTM.
The virtual signposts on the app now show campsites, alpine huts, hostels and 
viewpoints - all features of interest to walkers.

Also the Canary Islands are now covered - originally they were omitted as they 
are classed as Africa, not Europe.

Thanks,
Nick


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[OSM-talk] Wording (was: Re: From the SotM: tagging session)

[Roland Olbricht]

Hello,

I'm happy to help out understanding the report of the discussion session.


It has been a talking point that the wiki should be purely descriptive.
There is no objection that people sort out tagging questions in the
wiki, but the mixture of purely descriptive and as normative intended
pages would cause confusion.



By "normative" do you mean prescriptive?


I do mean "normative".

I have considered to use the pair of notions "descriptive -
prescriptive", but there is potential to confuse the terms on
superficial reading. I also understand "prescriptive" to have a
derogative connotation, and I do not intend to express that.

For the pair of notions "positive - normative" the meaning (according to
e.g. Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normative
) is:

  normative - How something should be
  positive - How something actually is

That is exactly the meaning as settled on in the discussion: the purpose
of the wiki documentation was to tell how the tagging is used. However,
given that "positive" is a very general term, I have used the pair
"descriptive - normative".

Best regards,

Roland

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Re: [OSM-talk] From the SotM: tagging session

[Stefano]

Hello all,
I want to send you some references for my suggestion during the tagging
session,
I believe it could provide a simple solution to this documentation issue.

Il giorno lun 30 set 2019 alle ore 06:52 Roland Olbricht <
roland.olbri...@gmx.de> ha scritto:

>
> We would like to have a secondary tag documentation with the properties:
>
>
- Content translation: using the Translate extension (
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Translate, which can be imported
by Wiki admins I think) some Help pages on Wikidata are quite stable (and
other languages can keep synchronized), this would motivate also to reach a
single text content for many topics, example on wikidata
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Items : the base edition is in English,
but at every update every edition can keep updated like we do when
translating software in Transifex.

- Interest groups: I'm listed on the participant list for the italian
wikiproject (
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Italy/Participants) so
other people can mention the group and I get a notification, example here
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Letteraturaitaliana.net_author_ID#Motivation
where
someone wrote {{ping project|Italy}}; this would allow to group people
according to the interest in the tagging proposals. You can also see the
proposal model which could be adopted (
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal and also see RfC
for general discussions
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment ). This
functionality is provided by this Mediawiki module
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Echo and the template is
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:Ping_project

- Wikibase on WikiOSM: we have the Data Items (
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Data_items) which could be a starting
point to document the tagging in a machine readable way. It was configured
by Yuri Astrakan. If extended it can be used for configuring the Infoboxes
(this is already used by Wikipedia in some languages, the infoboxes are
populated by information from Wikidata), or we could also add a query
service to build dynamic pages (on wikipedia there's this tool to build
tables https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Listeria, see for example
this list of municipalities on my wiki page
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sabas88/Lists/Comuni/Liguria)

These three items aren't dependent on WIki* availability, but are ideas
which can be imported and used independently on our instance.

Stefano
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