Re: [OSM-talk] Making iD the default editor on osm.org

[Chris Fleming]

On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 08:59:28AM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> it has been proposed to make the newly released iD v1.1 the default
> editor on openstreetmap.org, meaning that if someone doesn't explicitly
> chose an editor they will open iD instead of Potlatch.

I say go for it, from all the conversations I've had with new and old
(non mailing list) mappers locally the consensus is that iD is a much
more accessible tool for newbies and is a pleasure to use.

Yes there is still a lot of work to do; we need to move forward and stop
looking over our shoulders 

Ban Potlatch!

Cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk] GSoC 2012 - Regarding CycleStreets Projects

[Chris Fleming]

From the sounds of this tweet: 
https://twitter.com/#!/cyclestreets/status/183262141237833728


It looks like Cyclestreets are very close to opening up their source code.

Cheers
Chris

On 23/03/12 07:50, Graham Jones wrote:


Pryanka,
If you have not heard from the author of cyclestreets, it would be 
worth looking at other OSM routers which are open source.  Search our 
wiki for routers or routing.  You should find things like gosmore and 
osrm.
You coold experiment with them to see how they do with cycling or 
walking routing.   There was a gsoc project a couple of years ago to 
calculate the 'hilliness' of routes - you could look at including that 
into the routing algorithm too?   You will have to remember that some 
people will want to go over hills and others avoid them.
The surface of tracks could also be a good parameter for cycle routing 
if existing routers so not use this.


Just a few thoughts so you can work up a gsoc proposal if cyclestreets 
does not get back to you,  or if you would prefer to work on a 
different route calculator.


Graham

from my phone

On 23 Mar 2012 06:17, "Priyanka" > wrote:


Thanks Graham :-)

If the mentors of the Cyle Streets projects are reading this, please
let me know. I would be delighted to discuss the 'Less Wiggly Routes'
project with you. :-)

Thanks & Regards,
Priyanka


On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Graham Jones 
mailto:grahamjones...@gmail.com>> wrote:

> Hi Pryanka,
> I h...




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Re: [OSM-talk] twitter handling

[Chris Fleming]

On 08/09/2011 16:20, SteveC wrote:

Chris

* Remote searches aren't guaranteed to be accurate. Therefore you're 
probably missing posts. I do all the time.
* There are lots of search terms, OSM, openstreetmap, #openstreetmap, 
open streetmap, open street map ... Therefore you're probably missing 
posts.
* Chicken and egg. No OSM answers supplied today - so why would there 
be lots of questions?


Personally I want the OSM attitude to be "that's a fun idea, let's try 
it". This costs us basically nothing, if it doesn't work we can kill 
it. With a bit of luck though, it will result in more mapping.


I didn't mean my comments as criticism, I actually think it's a good 
thing to setup, so count me in. I'm already vaguely doing this and it 
seems so are others, so having a more co-ordinated approach is a good 
thing. Especially if we can filter out stuff.


Cheers
Chris



On 9/8/2011 8:43 AM, Chris Fleming wrote:

On 08/09/2011 00:20, SteveC wrote:
There are a bunch of people asking things on twitter about OSM that 
we miss. Or people saying nice things that we should be retweeting.


I'm looking for a solution. Mozilla has this:

http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/army-of-awesome

and I'm in touch with them to see if the src is available.



I have a saved openstreetmap twitter search and keep an eye on it. I 
think only twice I've actually replied to people looking for help on 
opensteetmap most of it's people talking about osm or various bots.


Have I missed something here?

Although I can't see setting up the mozilla army of awesome doing any 
harm, although excluding various OSM bots will be needed. Helping 
people into the community isn't a bad thing; most people won't signup 
the first time they land on the openstreetmap page, and once they've 
signed up it may be some time before they edit. One regular at our 
Edinburgh meetups signed up after seeing a talk I did, but didn't 
start to edit for 2 years.


So, using channels to remind people and about OSM and give them a 
gentle push in the right direction won't do any harm; and a 
professional use of twitter is just part of that.


The @OpenStreetMap account has over 6000 followers (although a good 
number are certainly spam) and I would like to see a bit more posting 
than when there is a blog posting and the occasional retweet. So 
interesting press coverage or uses of OSM, etc.




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Re: [OSM-talk] twitter handling

[Chris Fleming]

On 08/09/2011 00:20, SteveC wrote:
There are a bunch of people asking things on twitter about OSM that we 
miss. Or people saying nice things that we should be retweeting.


I'm looking for a solution. Mozilla has this:

http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/army-of-awesome

and I'm in touch with them to see if the src is available.



I have a saved openstreetmap twitter search and keep an eye on it. I 
think only twice I've actually replied to people looking for help on 
opensteetmap most of it's people talking about osm or various bots.


Have I missed something here?

Although I can't see setting up the mozilla army of awesome doing any 
harm, although excluding various OSM bots will be needed. Helping people 
into the community isn't a bad thing; most people won't signup the first 
time they land on the openstreetmap page, and once they've signed up it 
may be some time before they edit. One regular at our Edinburgh meetups 
signed up after seeing a talk I did, but didn't start to edit for 2 years.


So, using channels to remind people and about OSM and give them a gentle 
push in the right direction won't do any harm; and a professional use of 
twitter is just part of that.


The @OpenStreetMap account has over 6000 followers (although a good 
number are certainly spam) and I would like to see a bit more posting 
than when there is a blog posting and the occasional retweet. So 
interesting press coverage or uses of OSM, etc.




Cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk] April fools that should have been

[Chris Fleming]

On 02/04/11 16:46, Steve Coast wrote:

* HOT announce zombie apocalypse response team


There is already an Zombie Reports Ushahidi instance 
http://www.zombiereports.com/ which does use OSM.


Cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] UK, Cardiff and Edinburgh, change capital=yes to capital=4

[Chris Fleming]

On 04/02/2011 13:48, Nick Whitelegg wrote:

>RTFM!

>http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Admin_level

>Wales/Scotland/England are 4, regions are 5

To be quite honest I really, really don't care that much at all: but, 
by word of explanation I was only suggesting what I *thought would be 
sensible* as England/Wales/Scotland/NI all have significant national 
identity of their own. Looking at the wiki article, one could argue 
for the removal of level 3 altogether to be quite honest as the vast 
majority of countries have no entry. But once again, I really, really 
don't care that much.



I'm pretty much with Nick on the not caring.

Personally I think the Admin Level system is unintuitive and hard to 
understand.  I'm not a fan of putting codes into tags. Yes I know 
tagging is over there ===>


Having said that if the consensus is that this is the right way to go, I 
have no objection to changing Edinburgh from a yes to a 4. I may even do 
so later this evening.


Cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk] Response to A critique of OpenStreetMap

[Chris Fleming]

 On 15/10/10 12:30, Frederik Ramm wrote:

Hi,

Elizabeth Dodd wrote:

No, I cannot create the nice map.
It doesn't belong in MY skill set.


Fair enough. If you don't have the skills or the computers or the 
money to create a nice map, then you have to talk someone else into 
creating a nice map for you.


But I don't think this should be OSM. That would mean diverting 
resources from creating valuable geodata to creating pretty end 
products. I would rather see someone else take up that work, using OSM 
data to create nice maps of all kinds.


I'm not saying it should not be done, but I don't see it as a task for 
the OSM project. Much as the opencyclemap or the various hiking maps 
are not organised or funded by the OSM project.




I agree that creating a "pretty" map is not at the core of what OSM is 
about, and as time goes on there are more and more options for viewing 
openstreetmap data. However we can all agree that we want to provide 
data, and we want to improve data, and many of us will do whatever we 
can to plug openstreetmap whenever we can.


These people will head straight to the website and probably try and find 
there house; we want to capture these people so that OSM is there first 
choice for online mapping by providing the services that they expect. 
Hopefully over time some of these "casual" users will become editors 
over time. This is how we will continue to grow. I think it would be a 
mistake to ignore these users.


Obviously other users of the data are providing a lot of this I see 
Cyclesteets, Cyclemap, Mapquest and Cloudmade all point back to OSM and 
the editable-ness of the map underneath. But do we really want to leave 
these types of users to external sites?


Cheers
Chris



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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

[Chris Fleming]

On 17/07/10 10:00, 80n wrote:
On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 7:19 AM, Chris Fleming <mailto:m...@chrisfleming.org>> wrote:



Although the intent of ODBl is to provide the protections we
thought we were getting with CC-BY-SA; if we were to go to
something *completely* different then I can image these
discussions getting *really* nasty.

Chris
Do try to pay attention and keep up with the thread ;)

opps :)

Just reading that now.



Diane Peters of Creative Commons posted the following statement in 
this thread a few hours ago:
"There are a number of fundamental differences between CC's licenses 
and ODbL that at least from CC's point of view make the two quite 
different."


ODbL is something "completely" different.  In addition the content 
license and the contributor terms have no parallel with CC-BY-SA.  
Structurally there are big differences.


I don't disagree, I think that I was just trying to make the point that 
the *intent* in terms of having a Share Alike component and having some 
form of Attribution is present in both licenses? Admittedly in a very 
different way.


Anyway, it looks like it's stopped raining outsite so I going to go out 
and do some mapping :)


Cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

[Chris Fleming]

 On 17/07/10 20:40, Frederik Ramm wrote:

Hi,

Michael Barabanov wrote:
A poll could be something like: "Would you find a it acceptable if 
OSMF relicensed the whole dataset to ODBL without any data loss".


It should really be "Would you find it acceptable if OSMF relicensed 
the whole dataset to ODbL without asking for consent from individual 
contributors, thereby making sure that there is no data loss, but 
disregarding individuals who might be against the change?"


If OSMF were to do that, they would likely be sued by a number of 
principled objectors; we'd have to factor in a legal budget to deal 
with that. It should not be too much because those legal advisers that 
have told us that the CC-BY-SA would likely not hold in court would 
simply have to tell the judge the same ;)


Problem is, the principled objectors could also decline to sue OSMF 
and instead threaten to sue users of OSM data that contains their 
contributions. *We* believe such threats to be empty, but consider our 
users - one of the reasons for ODbL is to achieve a legal certainty 
about using our data. Would all this not lead to people *again* shying 
away from OSM for fear of some poisoned bits of data?


I don't think that Michael was actually proposing that we actually do 
this, more just use it to get an idea of if people agree to the 
principle of moving to ODbL if the "data loss" issue wasn't an issue.


I think that the majority would, there will be a few exceptions but IMHO 
ODbL is a much better license. From what I can tell most of the current 
descent is around what to do about CC-BY-SA data imports where the 
provider can't or won't relicense, or contributers that we can't contact.


Cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk] Summary of differences between old and new licenses

[Chris Fleming]

 On 18/07/10 13:58, John F. Eldredge wrote:

Is there a summary available, in layman's language, of the differences between 
the old license and the proposed new license?  I am still a bit unclear on the 
net effects, other than a sizable amount of the data being moved from the OSM 
database to a different database.


There is the page linked to from the banner at the top of the wiki pages:
http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/We_Are_Changing_The_License

or are you looking for more detail?

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Grant for usage of a google mapmaper users data to me

[Chris Fleming]

On 28/09/09 14:29, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:
> is the one project where kosovo is ahead of serbia.
> We have now 6-8 GPS devices on the ground and a motivated team.
> we are using yahoosat and training mappers.
> We are importing GNS features and other things.
>
> I dont know about the GMM people, but they dont seem to me informed
> about anything.
> I would just like to inform them and also get rights to use the POIS
> they have given google. I dont want all the data, just to know the
> names and general locations of the features, I can have the ground
> team doublecheck them and redo them.
>
I'm not sure what you're going to achieve here. You can't use there 
POI's directly as they will have probably been derived from google's 
aerial imagery. If you are planning on visiting the places anyway then 
just go on a visit (which you will probably be doing to get street names 
and traces?) and add them then.

Cheers
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[OSM-talk] Reverting Changes....

[Chris Fleming]

In just spotted a pile of changes that someone made that seem to have 
done more harm than good:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/1008885

What's the current thinking on "un-doing" changes; is it worth 
contacting the person involved, Checking if anything useful was done?

or should we just "undo" it?

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Re: [OSM-talk] People's Map

[Chris Fleming]

On 09/04/09 10:15, Mike Harris wrote:
> Thanks - rather what I had thought but it was new to me. A quick comparison
> of areas I know well shows OSM streets ahead (if you'll pardon the weak pun)
> ... I also found that it was difficult to actually do much with their data
> for free other than link to them from a web site. Sounds like GetMapping
> have found a way to enlist the innocent to enhance their commercial aerial
> photography products by providing tags!
>

One thing I did notice is that while they have excellent imagery, if 
something changes they don't seem to have any alternative methods (such 
as GPS traces) for updating the map until someone takes a plane up and 
gets new pictures. I had a look at the M9 Spur which has been open since 
October 2007 and in OSM since then but even if someone wanted to add it 
to people's map then it wouldn't be possible.

The same thing applies to getting all the interesting data that can't be 
seen from the air.

Cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk] People's Map

[Chris Fleming]

On 09/04/09 10:15, Mike Harris wrote:
> Thanks - rather what I had thought but it was new to me. A quick comparison
> of areas I know well shows OSM streets ahead (if you'll pardon the weak pun)
> ... I also found that it was difficult to actually do much with their data
> for free other than link to them from a web site. Sounds like GetMapping
> have found a way to enlist the innocent to enhance their commercial aerial
> photography products by providing tags!
>

One thing I did notice is that while they have excellent imagery, if 
something changes they don't seem to have any alternative methods (such 
as GPS traces) for updating the map until someone takes a plane up and 
gets new pictures. I had a look at the M9 Spur which has been open since 
October 2007 and in OSM since then but even if someone wanted to add it 
to people's map then it wouldn't be possible.

The same thing applies to getting all the interesting data that can't be 
seen from the air.

Cheers
Chris

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Re: [OSM-talk] [SOTM] Train ticket: couldn't ask a small favour?

[Chris Fleming]

Dermot McNally wrote:

Hmm. Fair suggestion. Details now on the transport page. I'll be
departing between 16:00 and 18:00 on Friday evening from
Blanchardstown. Car will take 3 passengers, or a fourth at a squeeze.
Departure from Limerick will be on Sunday evening, but I have
ambitions to take a long route home and fill in some map gaps. Caveat
passenger.
  
At least any potential passenger will be likely to have been on the 
other side of "long diversions" home.


Cheers
Chris

(not making SOTM this year as my (South African) passport is somewhere 
within the Home Office and will no doubt will probably end up back with 
me on Saturday morning)





2008/7/10 Iván Sánchez Ortega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
  

El Jueves, 10 de Julio de 2008, Dermot McNally escribió:


On the matter of lifts - I will be driving down on Friday after work,
  

And when exactly is that? When are you going back? Please add yourself to
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/State_Of_The_Map_2008/transport


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