Re: [OSM-talk] stop deleting abandoned railroads

[Christian Pietzsch]

Hi
deleting abandoned railways if they are still clearly visible on the ground
isn't okay.
Near my hometown we have one of these rail trails.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/247337009
It has been a light rail track and now it is used as asphalt cycle way. As
you can see it is tagged as railway=abandoned and as highway=cycleway and
gets rendered as cycleway. So it seems the tagging and rendering should be
fine for this kind of ways.
As Andrew already said, try to talk with the one who deleted the railways.
In this case it might be a problem:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/30174498
The person only made two changesets four months ago.

In the future the best practice might be:

   - Check who deleted the railway (for example using
   http://zverik.osm.rambler.ru/whodidit/)
   - try to contact the person (don't be harsh! allways try assume they
   made it by accident or lack of knowledge)
   - revert the changeset/part of the chagneset

Reverting the changeset without the permission of the the person might lead
to an edit war so becareful.



2015-08-11 8:59 GMT+02:00 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>:

> On 11/08/2015 4:37 PM, Andrew Wiseman wrote:
>
> Hi Russ,
>
> I would suggest you contact who is saying that or deleting it (if you can see 
> who that is,) and talk to them, nicely, about your concerns. I bet it's just 
> that people probably aren't familiar with the concept of abandoned railroads 
> as a tag. If they don't see a railroad track where there's a railroad tag, 
> they probably just delete it, thinking that's what you do. The unused: tag 
> (or whatever you use) is not super well known, in my opinion.
>
>
> Appears to be a continuing problem.
>
> https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/33455/what-happened-to-the-abandoned-railroads
>
> In part it may arise from the OSM mantra 'tag what is on the ground'.
> If the abandoned railway is now a 'rail trail' then it should be tagged as a 
> path/track, as that is what is on the ground.
>
> the tag is http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:railway%3Dabandoned
> and says "A tag to map former railways, where the rails have been removed but 
> the route is still visible in some way.
>
> If the rails are still in place use railway 
> =disused 
>  instead."
>
> That does lack any link to rail trial tagging... in fact OSM looks to lack 
> any guide on 'rail trails'.
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Portal for end users

[Christian Pietzsch]

>
> I understand that if we want to build a data-use portal, it should be
> managed separately from the current OSM.org infrastructure. But
> couldn't we make a subdomain like use.openstreetmap.org [9] to
> showcase projects? And maybe try and let that evolve into an ecosystem
> of applications, to make it as easy as possible to integrate features
> of one project to the next?


openstreetmap.de has something thats similar to what you mentioned. On the
front page under "Schaufenster" there are mentioned a few project from
different categories.
We have a nice collection of OSM services in the Wiki.It would just have to
be made a little more pretty (pictures and co) and presented more
prominently.

Cheers
Christian

2015-09-18 15:24 GMT+02:00 Daniel Koć :

> W dniu 18.09.2015 9:10, joost schouppe napisał(a):
>
>> I don't think a portal in the style of the Mapquest example is the
>> best answer. I don't really think there is going to be any specific
>> OSM-based Google Maps killer ever going to be built. Instead the
>> strength of OSM is rather being able to cater to niches. No single
>> Google Maps inspired project could ever reflect the diversity of what
>> you can do with OSM.
>>
>
> I support this point of view. Google strength is integration of many
> services (including commercial ones) and a lot of automatic ways to gather
> and process data; ours is great amount of details and a lot of human-based
> ways to gather and process data. They are not contradictory - both ways can
> borrow something from the other, but I think starting with what we already
> have in a good shape is better than trying to start with imitating the
> other side of spectrum.
>
> Even though we have a diversity of news channels, I notice how many
>> involved OSM afficionados don't know about some of these projects. And
>> if they don't know, how is our average data user ever going to know.
>> As OSM.org gets more features and users,  a larger proportion of those
>> users will not know about projects like this.
>>
>
> Lack of integration - sometimes just underusing existing communication
> infrastructure - is the most visible problem for me in OSM. The ecosystem
> is broad, diverse and healthy, which is great, but very disconnected at the
> same time (even between the most important sub-projects), which makes
> trying to do anything crossing the boundaries very hard, inefficient and
> time-consuming.
>
> I understand that if we want to build a data-use portal, it should be
>> managed separately from the current OSM.org infrastructure. But
>> couldn't we make a subdomain like use.openstreetmap.org [9] to
>> showcase projects? And maybe try and let that evolve into an ecosystem
>> of applications, to make it as easy as possible to integrate features
>> of one project to the next?
>>
>
> Nice idea!
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Emergency button on phone OSM apps?

[Christian Pietzsch]

Sounds interesting. The problem is that if you show all these things at the
same time the map might get cluttered. So after pressing the button you
could show a dialog (Fire?/Health?/...).
The emergency wiki page should give an good over few over possible
additions: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:emergency_%28facilities%29
or taginfo: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/?key=emergency#values
there are a few special local things like rescue boxes in Saxon Switzerland

regards

2015-10-25 23:57 GMT+01:00 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>:

> Hi,
>
> On the cell phone apps that use OSM I would like to seen an "Emergency"
> button ... for use in an emergency.
>
> It would bring up on the map the local emergency items;
>
> emergency phones,
> AEDs (Automatic Emergency Defibrillators - used for heart attack victims)
> Life belts/rings
> Hospitals with emergency facilities
> Doctors
> Pharmacies
> Fire extinguishers
> Police stations
>
> and anything else that could be of use in an emergency.
>
> By doing this these things can be left off the map ... until the button is
> pressed ... then they appear and other things can be suppressed. Press the
> emergency button again to revet to the normal view.
>
> It could provide a usefull feature that could save a life, and declutters
> the map when not required.
> Of course there are some exceptions ... Hospitals and Doctors for non
> emergencies for example.
>
> Any thoughts/comments?
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Re: [OSM-talk] Improved new Icon set for Open Street map

[Christian Pietzsch]

This can be seen from different perspectives. Someone who wants a more
aesthetic clean map, will like GMaps more. Meanwhile OSM carto is much more
informative with a lot more details.
But you can still have a look at the icons used and try to make an improved
version and suggest it to the style maintainers. (
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/tree/master/symbols)


2015-11-02 18:52 GMT+01:00 Philip Barnes :

> On Mon, 2015-11-02 at 22:53 +0600, Nasir Khan wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am a big fan of Open Street Map. I used this for may of my web
> > application projects.
> >
> > One thing i faced every time and asked from many that, is there a way
> > to improve the icon set to make the map more attractive. I really
> > feel that we all should look at this issue and make a plan to improve
> > this user experience. If you compare the OSM with the Google map
> > icons, then you can say that the Google Map is way more ahead that
> > the OSM.
> >
> > I am not sure if it is right forum to discuss this issue. Please help
> > me if i posted in the wrong mailing list. Any one can tell me if it
> > is already in the roadmap or not? If it is not, then i think we can
> > start the discussion right away. We can team up with some other
> > platforms like The Noun Project (https://thenounproject.com/) or some
> > one else or do something else.
> >
> This mailing list is the right place to discuss openstreetmap, it would
> be wrong to expect mappers to sign up for an a 3rd pary site to discuss
> openstreetmap.
>
> As for your comment, I would say you are wrong, OSM is way ahead of
> google in terms icons and map style. Most places are almost devoid of
> mapped icons on google maps.
>
> Phil (trigpoint)
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Re: [OSM-talk] A message to our friends at HOT, Peace Corps etc. about Changeset Comments

[Christian Pietzsch]

>
>
> Worse, I see many HOT changesets that have source=Bing in the
> changeset comment instead of a separate tag.
>
> Although... Does iD allow setting changeset tags?


The ID Editor doesn't seem to support other changeset tags.
JOSM supports as much changeset tags as you like, but you have to know that
this is possible. I only noticed the other tabs in the upload dialog
recently. I always was focused on the "settings" tab where you just can
input the comment and the source.

I like the usage of hashtags. It enables you to do better analytics but
also has the potential to find the root of errors. We use hashtags in our
German "Wochenaufgabe"(weekly task). If a lot of people start to map things
in an uncommon way because of the weekly task it would be more easy to know
where this idea came from.
One problem I see is if you use to many hashtags and if they aren't
searchable. I hoped to find the HOT task when searching for the hastag but
it did show up int he first search entries. I think this may be fixiable.
But I agree that hashtags would find a better place in an extra tag, but
the editors have to support it and make it easily accessible.

Christian

2015-11-19 4:21 GMT+01:00 Nicolás Alvarez :

> 2015-11-18 21:11 GMT-03:00 Frederik Ramm :
> > This is *not* useful. First of all, we're not Twitter; we don't evaluate
> > these hashtags. I don't know if there are some downstream services that
> > do, but if so, please switch to using a secondary tag (remember,
> > changesets, like other OSM objects, can have any number of tags).
>
> Worse, I see many HOT changesets that have source=Bing in the
> changeset comment instead of a separate tag.
>
> Although... Does iD allow setting changeset tags?
>
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