Re: [OSM-talk] Users' activity feeds
Hello, I also agree with the necessity to have more informations/API/alerts about user's activity to monitor the quality/mistakes and I believe to be more credible to the outside world. I use OSM Mapper and OSM Aware and "OSMxapi/node RSS feed" but for me it's not sufficent. What I really need is an alert (RSS, mail or other...) when the elements (ways, nodes, areas) I've created or contributed to are modified. Why I think it is important? Because the elements I've contributed to are the one I know, I've seen them with my eyes, otherwise I wouldn't have mapped them. But I don't necesseraly know all the elements (ways, nodes...) 'around' them and I don't have time to check all of them in a region to see if I've contributed to it (have some knowledge about them), or not. If I had such an automatic alert (on my contributions) I could easily check and be in one of the three situation: 1) I know the addition/modification is right (cool to see the community effort, encourages me to map more, we are not alone :) ) 2) I don't know if the addition is right but it's possible (maybe I could double check one day eventually) 3) I sure know it is a mistake (this motorway i take eveyday is not a river...). I must do something about it now (contact the mapper and correct the mistake) Right now i can randomly see some annoying unintentional mistakes made on my contributions. Each time I spot one I ask myself how many more I didn't see, these thougts don't encourage me. We know we are mapping facts (geographical informations), not doing art. We obvisoulsy should do eveything we can to ensure the facts are and stay right or improve in detail. Otherwise that doesn't fully satisfy me and I prefered to reduce my mapping contributions to OSM (and contribute more to other projects in the meantime). I'm sure OSM will find a way. I'm still utterly amazed at what OSM achieved (especially when you understand how much more technically complex it is than a simple "wikipedia"). But I believe improvements in this field should be a priority and should happen better sooner than latter. The longer OSM waits, the more mistakes will accumulate, the more people will be discourage, the less credible the quality of the database will be to the external world. My 2 cents (for what it's worth). francois PS: When I've developed OSMaware I quickly tried to do such an RSS feed (as decribed above) but I didn't find an easy way to do it 'reasonnably' without probing the history of all the elements... So I gave-up on this. I also added it as feature request on the OSM Mapper wiki page but i didn't see any answer there either. I'm having a quick look at the "OSM Protocol Version 0.6" draft, maybe the "Querying by user" for change sets will help in the futur (if it is what I imagine). --- On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 8:44 PM, Ian Dees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Nic Roets <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 12:18 AM, Ian Dees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > How about an activity feed for a certain bounding box area? I think >> this, in >> > combination with the user-specific activity log, would be very useful. >> >> There's a simple trick to achieve this : XOR or subtractive rendering. >> Relatively simple to implement with slippy map tiles and desktop >> renderers. >> > > It sounds like there's interest in an RSS feed or some other, non-graphical > method of communicating that information. The graphical approach on a map is > definitely neat, but I think an RSS feed or e-mail alert would be even more > useful. > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Aware, the state of the current pheromones
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Skywave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://skywave0.googlepages.com/osm-kml2.html?zoom=6&lat=46.43289&lon=1.51207&layers=B0T > > I hacked (changed one line ;) ) on an example provided by crschmidt. Thanks Skywave, I didn't realize it was that simple to import some KMLs in OpenLayer with crschmidt script :) I've added versions for World( day, hour and minute changes) and France (minutes changes) for now: (http://www.fxfoo.com/osm/kml/): http://www.fxfoo.com/osm/kml/web-osm-france-day-latest-v0.html http://www.fxfoo.com/osm/kml/web-osm-world-day-latest-v0-openlayers.html http://www.fxfoo.com/osm/kml/web-osm-world-hour-latest-v0-openlayers.html http://www.fxfoo.com/osm/kml/web-osm-world-minute-latest-v1-openlayers.html The version2 kml (with the colored lines) also works (I'll add them a little latter). I'll also add some informations about the file and part of the summary stats (number of nodes, users, etc) I'm impressed by OpenLayers, I think I'm going to also use it also to geolocate my pictures in GPicSync: http://code.google.com/p/gpicsync/ Thanks! francois > > > On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 11:38 PM, François Schnell < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> Thanks Tim for your feedback, I appreciate. >> >> Concerning "World Wind" it looks like you can visualize KML with >> placemarks since version 1.3.4. I just had a quick try, it seems to work >> fine for placemarks (but it doesn't seem to show the extrusion for lines in >> my "v2" KMLs, just the top): >> http://flickr.com/photos/frenchy/2490757820/ >> >> I've also heard Microsft's "Virtual Earth" supports KMLs now (but haven't >> tried it). >> It looks like KMLs are now spreading quickly since its 'Open Standard' >> adoption: >> >> """ >> The KML 2.2 specification has been submitted to the Open Geospatial >> Consortium to assure its status as an open standard for all geobrowsers. As >> of November 2007, the OGC has a new KML 2.2 Standards Working Group. >> Comments were sought on the proposed standard until January 4, 2008,[1] and >> it became an industry standard on April 14, 2008.[2] >> """ >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyhole_Markup_Language >> >> That said I could try other formats like GeoRss and GML. >> >> """ as an overlay over existing osm maps? """ >> >> Yes that certainly would be nice :) >> I'll look at it when I'll have some time for it (OpenLayers, >> SlippyMap,...) >> >> Thanks >> >> francois >> >> >> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 1:13 AM, tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> just thought this was a lovely, brilliant visualisation of osm usage. >>> Well done, good work! >>> >>> Would love to see some of this in non-kml formats, somehow (google >>> earth doesn't work well for me). Or on the web. >>> (GeoRSS? GML? Worldwind? etc) >>> >>> as an overlay over existing osm maps? >>> >>> tim >>> >> >> >> ___ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk >> >> > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk > > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Aware, the state of the current pheromones
Thanks Tim for your feedback, I appreciate. Concerning "World Wind" it looks like you can visualize KML with placemarks since version 1.3.4. I just had a quick try, it seems to work fine for placemarks (but it doesn't seem to show the extrusion for lines in my "v2" KMLs, just the top): http://flickr.com/photos/frenchy/2490757820/ I've also heard Microsft's "Virtual Earth" supports KMLs now (but haven't tried it). It looks like KMLs are now spreading quickly since its 'Open Standard' adoption: """ The KML 2.2 specification has been submitted to the Open Geospatial Consortium to assure its status as an open standard for all geobrowsers. As of November 2007, the OGC has a new KML 2.2 Standards Working Group. Comments were sought on the proposed standard until January 4, 2008,[1] and it became an industry standard on April 14, 2008.[2] """ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyhole_Markup_Language That said I could try other formats like GeoRss and GML. """ as an overlay over existing osm maps? """ Yes that certainly would be nice :) I'll look at it when I'll have some time for it (OpenLayers, SlippyMap,...) Thanks francois On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 1:13 AM, tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > just thought this was a lovely, brilliant visualisation of osm usage. > Well done, good work! > > Would love to see some of this in non-kml formats, somehow (google > earth doesn't work well for me). Or on the web. > (GeoRSS? GML? Worldwind? etc) > > as an overlay over existing osm maps? > > tim > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Aware, the state of the current pheromones
Hello, Just a quick update and I'm gone. There's now a "light" v0 version: V0: one summarized placemark per user at the last known position (very low fat, should work on all machines running Google Earth) v1: the most detailed one (a placemark per node). Without feedback I've stopped pushing world daily v1 on the server (see archives or produce them yourself if you want: it takes one or two minutes to crunch for a big world day on my PC). v2: no placemarks but lines (lighter that v1) There's also a list of "live" network links on the site ( http://code.google.com/p/osmlab/) If you want to refresh a link manually find the network link in the GE folder, right click, "refresh" http://www.fxfoo.com/osm/kml/world-minute-v1-networkLink.kml http://www.fxfoo.com/osm/kml/world-day-v0-networkLink.kml http://www.fxfoo.com/osm/kml/world-hour-v0-networkLink.kml http://www.fxfoo.com/osm/kml/world-hour-v2-networkLink.kml http://www.fxfoo.com/osm/kml/france-day-v0-networkLink.kml http://www.fxfoo.com/osm/kml/france-day-v2-networkLink.kml For info the network-links don't have yet the stats summary when clicking on the name of the kml (that individual KMLs have). - I'll make a little pause here, having some OSM mapping to catch and more "responsive" projects I want to invest my energy into. Nerver-the-less I wonder how much the lack of interest in "awareness" tools in OSM will have an impact on the holes Ed Parsons predicts: http://www.edparsons.com/?p=609 (Sure the OSM growth is exponential but among which population, only/mainly alpha-geeks?) Anyway, happy mapping ...>[] (I'm already gone) francois On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 11:39 PM, François Schnell < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello list and fellow mappers. I guess it's my first post here even if I > map and follow the list for over a year I think (I'm sometimes on IRC). > > > > I love OSM but I miss a quick and easy way to smell your pheromones guys > (ie recent activity around me to spot active mappers, > adapt/motivate myself in consequence, have local statistics, eventually > monitor/spot 'obvious' 'vandalism'). > > I think a quick awareness is important for a project like OSM and I'd love > to see that aspect more developed/encouraged in the future. > > For bottom-up emergent systems like a 'simple' anthill or a beehive it's > even capital. The anthill is very efficient and well structured (nursery, > cemetery,...) not because of a savant top-down architect but mainly because > two conditions are met: critical mass (having enough ants) and the quality > of the local communications/status between members (the pheromones). So I > don't say we're ants-like and OSM is en emergent system but I think it > certainly has some bottom-up stuff and a quick local mapping awareness could > help. > > > > Anyway, to fulfill my junkie need for pheromones I've played with the .osc > files (change sets) provided here: > http://planet.openstreetmap.org/ > > The current - work in progress - result is here: > http://code.google.com/p/osmlab/ > http://www.fxfoo.com/osm/kml/ > > So basically by charming the Python snake I extract informations from the > .osc files (minutes, hours and days ) and produce a bunch of kml (for quick > and "dynamic" visualization in Google Earth for example). > > Before any eventual ant get too excited be aware that: > > - the kml doesn't show "ways", the tool is not intended for mapping or > comparing (I think an "OSMtoKML" tool already exist anyway). I'm just > interested in seeing/smelling your current pheromones , that's all ;) > - the Hour and Day kml are *big* since I render every node in the first > version (either placemarks or lines). On my desktop Core2Duo2.4Ghz/2Go, > VistaBox and MacBookLaptop, it's ok (but bellow 2Go I doubt it would be a > nice experience. I'll produced a much smaller daily/hourly KML soon for > those who don't have a "gaming" PC (by summarizing nearby nodes) > - if you encounter a forbidden access on the latest daily/hourly kml retry > in a minute (hours/days are still processed on my Vista desktop and send to > the Ubuntu server through my ISP limited upload speed , you shouldn't > encounter that with minutes which are processed directly on the server) > > - generally (yellow, blue, red) stands for (created, modified, deleted) > - generally clicking on the name of the KML in GE brings a statistics > summary, you also can expand the folder to have more informations > - clicking on a placemark gives information about the node and links to the > associated user and the OSM map > > Minutes KMLs should be acces
[OSM-talk] OSM Aware, the state of the current pheromones
Hello list and fellow mappers. I guess it's my first post here even if I map and follow the list for over a year I think (I'm sometimes on IRC). I love OSM but I miss a quick and easy way to smell your pheromones guys (ie recent activity around me to spot active mappers, adapt/motivate myself in consequence, have local statistics, eventually monitor/spot 'obvious' 'vandalism'). I think a quick awareness is important for a project like OSM and I'd love to see that aspect more developed/encouraged in the future. For bottom-up emergent systems like a 'simple' anthill or a beehive it's even capital. The anthill is very efficient and well structured (nursery, cemetery,...) not because of a savant top-down architect but mainly because two conditions are met: critical mass (having enough ants) and the quality of the local communications/status between members (the pheromones). So I don't say we're ants-like and OSM is en emergent system but I think it certainly has some bottom-up stuff and a quick local mapping awareness could help. Anyway, to fulfill my junkie need for pheromones I've played with the .osc files (change sets) provided here: http://planet.openstreetmap.org/ The current - work in progress - result is here: http://code.google.com/p/osmlab/ http://www.fxfoo.com/osm/kml/ So basically by charming the Python snake I extract informations from the .osc files (minutes, hours and days ) and produce a bunch of kml (for quick and "dynamic" visualization in Google Earth for example). Before any eventual ant get too excited be aware that: - the kml doesn't show "ways", the tool is not intended for mapping or comparing (I think an "OSMtoKML" tool already exist anyway). I'm just interested in seeing/smelling your current pheromones , that's all ;) - the Hour and Day kml are *big* since I render every node in the first version (either placemarks or lines). On my desktop Core2Duo2.4Ghz/2Go, VistaBox and MacBookLaptop, it's ok (but bellow 2Go I doubt it would be a nice experience. I'll produced a much smaller daily/hourly KML soon for those who don't have a "gaming" PC (by summarizing nearby nodes) - if you encounter a forbidden access on the latest daily/hourly kml retry in a minute (hours/days are still processed on my Vista desktop and send to the Ubuntu server through my ISP limited upload speed , you shouldn't encounter that with minutes which are processed directly on the server) - generally (yellow, blue, red) stands for (created, modified, deleted) - generally clicking on the name of the KML in GE brings a statistics summary, you also can expand the folder to have more informations - clicking on a placemark gives information about the node and links to the associated user and the OSM map Minutes KMLs should be accessible to every machine. There's also a "live" world-minute network link here: http://www.fxfoo.com/osm/kml/world-minute-v1-networkLink.kml In Google Earth it will automatically update itself with the latest minute available and you should see the latest mappers activity For developers or power users the command line tool is written in Python and should work on Win/OSX/Linux. If you have some Python notions you should be able to modify/extend the app. to create you own kml (or something else). There are some handy parameters/variables available to change things like the elevation, colors, transparency, line thickness, icons... You can also directly edit a kml in a text editor and change the styles at the beginning of the files (colors, etc). if you experience any bug thanks to let me know on the project site '"issues" or send me a mail. Thanks also for eventual feedback/ideas. francois PS: What I plan to do "soonish" is: - the slim-down daily/hourly - networks links for daily/hourly - getting the kml sexier and trying orher kml (density image overlay, use of the time slider in GE) - a web front-end ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
