[OSM-talk] Beaches at lower zoom levels
Beaches are missing at zoom=12 in Mapnik and zoom=13 in Osmarender, either that or the sea is rendered over them. Is this by design or a bug? For example, here's my hometown: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.6457&lon=-2.999&zoom=13 Moving the coastline seems excessive, is there a way around this? Cheers Gaz ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Flattr donation button
On 14 August 2010 00:08, Dave F. wrote: > > " When you're registered to flattr, you pay a small monthly fee. You set > the amount yourself. In the end of the month, that fee is divided between > all the things you flattered." > > So, what if I haven't seen anyone worth 'flattering' or just one? Would > they be worth my whole months fee? > Wikileaks is worth the monthly fee alone! What happens if I've flattered no -one? > Apparently your money is donated to charity. > I've haven't seen yet how this site makes it money. Commission? > They take a cut, 10% of money deposited into the system. > Most current of all; I hardly want to contribute *anything* to a site that > potentially calls me 'poisonous' let alone my hard earned cash. > Context? Gaz > > Dave F. > > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Flattr donation button
Hi I just signed up for this new Flattr micropayments thing for donating small amounts to projects you love (flattr.com), and noticed there had been no discussion about it here. It would be a nice experiment to add a Flattr button to the main site and see how much is made in microdonations. OSM would need an account with a minimum of 2eu a month (which is shared between other subscribers when you click their Flattr buttons). It must be worth a few euros to try it out! Gaz ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] www.openaddresses.org BETA launched
2010/3/30 Cédric MOULLET : > Don't hesitate to add your own address, the address of your friends and of > the friends of your friends ;-) I'm sure that everyone on this list has already done this in OSM... I hope you'll be using that data, my fingers are sore from typing so many postcodes into OSM, FreeThePostCode and PostcodeDB! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically adding open wireless access points
On 26 March 2010 13:51, Emilie Laffray wrote: > have you looked at a project called openbmap? Essentially a few months ago, > I suggested to those people to merge their data in OSM. However, it became > clear they didn't want it to be done, as there was plenty of problem to do > so, and I accepted the fact that it belongs in something other than OSM. Oh, I missed this. This is cool. Maybe I should make my app for openbmap instead, I'll do that providing I can download the database and play with it. Thank you :-) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically adding open wireless access points
On 26 March 2010 20:15, Gregory wrote: > I seem to remember certain BT home packages you can use their network for > free when your out and about. But then it lets other BT customers connect to > your wifi. Hopefully they explained this in large enough print. Just put > this here for interest. I think they actually have two WiFi signals going on in these ones. They're usually accompanied by a BT Home Hub which is locked down. On 29 March 2010 12:16, Joseph Reeves wrote: > -1 > > I'd rather see collaboration with www.wigle.net rather then adding > Access Point information to the OSM DB. http://wigle.net/eula.html Do you know of anything with a better license? These guys make a fortune from selling their data to the likes of SkyHookWireless, I doubt they'd give it away for free. Gaz ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically adding open wireless access points
On 26 March 2010 11:39, Gregory wrote: > I think you would need a separate database for the collection. > Then every week or so you have a rule that estimates the access point > location and says where a few people have seen this network, and it has been > seen recently, then add it to OSM and update your db with the OSM node id. Yep, I was thinking of just using a flat file for the collection (published to the world) then a database to keep track of the nodes which have been imported (node IDs, last known positions etc) > Some information might be best kept in your database, some might be good in > OSM. It is helpful to be able to add the osm tags operator (e.g. T-Mobile, > BT OpenWhatsit, or LocalTon Free Wifi), url, and maybe something to say if > it is free or not. I was thinking I'd avoid the BT OpenZone and other non-free networks, they personally irritate me and there are hundreds of thousands of them (I think they piggyback other people's connections). If the tool can log in via the wifi and make a connection to my server, then it's a good one. > How do you deal with nodes(tags and/or location) being changed in the OSM > data not by your tool? In this case I think we can assume that humans are always better at setting locations, but software is better at SSIDs and other machiney things. I guess just don't update the location in future once a user has moved it (maybe > What if your tool adds a node which is already there? That's a bit harder. I guess it would need to search for both the ESSID and the SSID before adding a node, and be aware that the node ID might change (ie be deleted by a user) > I know of a village that has a free wifi setup (by residents) that I would > like to know the points of but you have to give an e-mail address to 'log > in'. I suppose I would have to login and then use your tool if I wanted it > recorded. I suppose you'd have to add this one manually, the tool would see the open network, connect try to post data to my collection page but be redirected to the login page. It would then assume that this network is a private/pay one and locally blacklist the ESSID so it doesn't connect multiple times to pinpoint the location. > I think a possible objection is like the legally-grey use of open networks. > Home routers usually come open as default(it aids installation), you have > not been authorised to use them but maybe the settings being left open is > authorisation(so you tell yourself). Well more worse that you taking their > bandwidth, is you plotting a big X on their house (yeah, I know their fault > for not closing the network). I can only speak for the UK, but all the ISP provided routers I've seen in the past few years come with a key printed on the bottom of them, plus you have to actually press a button on the device to authorize it. The open wifi anarchy of the recent past doesn't seem to apply to home users anymore. I guess it could just stop updating the node once a user has deleted it from OSM's database, but I wouldn't remove it from my source list. Gaz > > On 26 March 2010 03:34, Gaz Davidson wrote: >> >> On 25 March 2010 19:13, Claudius wrote: >> > Am 25.03.2010 15:09, Gaz Davidson: >> >> (...) at some later time the positions of all >> >> known access points can be estimated and imported into OSM's database. >> > >> > I think WiFi are too temporary a feature to be added to the main OSM >> > database. Why not keep it in a seperate project database? >> >> I suppose I could keep it separate, but it sucks to have all kinds of >> city geo-data split across multiple databases in different formats. It >> makes using them more awkward. Also, I've not seen any evidence that a >> large number of open wireless networks are temporary, unless you mean >> that the technology ages fast? All the ones I've found are >> deliberately open and belong to businesses, at least in the UK it's no >> longer the open wifi free-for-all that it was several years ago (all >> new routers come with WEP enabled by default, access points are used >> until the hardware dies). >> >> Perhaps store the last seen date, then we can auto-purge them from the >> database. Maybe have the site collect complete user traces so that we >> can see when people went past a now dead hotspot (though users may not >> like this, specially if the data is PD!) >> >> > Besides: Nice idea. But will it be needed in times of 3G access? >> >> Well, you could say the same about amenity=phone_box, I can't remember >> the last time I used one of those. Open wireless networks are of >> interest to me personally, probably lots of other people t
Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically adding open wireless access points
On 25 March 2010 19:13, Claudius wrote: > Am 25.03.2010 15:09, Gaz Davidson: >> (...) at some later time the positions of all >> known access points can be estimated and imported into OSM's database. > > I think WiFi are too temporary a feature to be added to the main OSM > database. Why not keep it in a seperate project database? I suppose I could keep it separate, but it sucks to have all kinds of city geo-data split across multiple databases in different formats. It makes using them more awkward. Also, I've not seen any evidence that a large number of open wireless networks are temporary, unless you mean that the technology ages fast? All the ones I've found are deliberately open and belong to businesses, at least in the UK it's no longer the open wifi free-for-all that it was several years ago (all new routers come with WEP enabled by default, access points are used until the hardware dies). Perhaps store the last seen date, then we can auto-purge them from the database. Maybe have the site collect complete user traces so that we can see when people went past a now dead hotspot (though users may not like this, specially if the data is PD!) > Besides: Nice idea. But will it be needed in times of 3G access? Well, you could say the same about amenity=phone_box, I can't remember the last time I used one of those. Open wireless networks are of interest to me personally, probably lots of other people too. When I'm out and about and realise I need a 700MB file it doesn't make sense to use 3G for this. On my old prepay plan it would have cost me £14 to download 700MB, on my current contract it would eat a week's worth of data allowance. Gaz ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Automatically adding open wireless access points
Hi I've just got a Google Nexus One and was thinking about making an application for it. The first thing that came to mind was a minimalist app to add open WiFi networks as points of interest. I imagine it working something like this: The app continuously scans nearby WiFi access points. When one is found, it connects to it and posts the GPS position, accuracy, WiFi strength, (E)SSID, connection type and recent user movement to a script running on the web. If it doesn't get the correct response then that access point is blacklisted (avoiding paid but open networks which redirect to a login page). The data is released into the public domain (or maybe CC:SA?) and at some later time the positions of all known access points can be estimated and imported into OSM's database. Some clever rules could be used to avoid moving hotspots which have been moved manually, or to delete ones which haven't been seen in a long time. I know that there are already companies and communities doing this, but I can't find anyone with data that's free enough for my liking. There are also objections to adding wifi hotspots on the wiki, but no sensible ones as far as I can see. Open wireless access points are useful to me, I work away from home and often need to find the closest place with free wifi so I don't use all my data allowance when downloading large files. Thoughts, objections or suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Gaz ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Still interest in an Android POI collector?
I agree, great summary :-) I'm getting a Google Nexus One soon and will be looking to do some POI mapping and uploading of geo-tagged photos. I'd also like to see if it's feasible to use the GPS, accelerometer, camera and touch-screen to calculate and store the heights of buildings, which sounds like a fun programming project! One thing I would like to know about Android devices is whether the GPS is aware of altitudes. Google's API appears to support this via the hasAltitude and getAltitude methods of location objects, but I guess it would depend on the device and drivers supplying this information to the API. Has anyone with an Android handset seen any applications which are aware of altitude? Thanks Gaz On 8 March 2010 21:05, Graham Jones wrote: > Andrew, > That is a really good summary - you have found some applications that I > hadn't heard of - I'll go and try them. > I don't know if there is a decent Android page on the wiki, but the info > you have collected would be good to go on that. > > Graham. > > On 8 March 2010 17:05, Andrew Chadwick (email lists) > wrote: >> >> (Argh, let's try that again from a subscribed email address) >> >> Nick Whitelegg wrote: >> >> > The other thing I have in mind to do is a POI collector for Android >> > devices. I seem to remember there being an interest in this before >> > Christmas when the Mapzen collector for the iPhone was launched - and >> > I've >> > just got hold of an Android phone (HTC Hero) and fancy having a play. >> > Would there still be interest in this? What I'll probably do is work on >> > both apps - time permitting - but prioritise the one which has the most >> > current interest. >> >> Other people have mentioned Vespucci and BTC Mapper, which are closer to >> what you're probably thinking of. I think they're both incomplete and >> buggy though, and release very infrequently for Android 1.5. I tend to >> work with GPS export traces and photos, and I've dug around a bit in the >> marketplace for stuff that seems to work (for me): mini-reviews: >> >> >> For offline data gathering, I'm using GPS Logger for Android < >> http://gpslogger.codeplex.com/ > most right now, which allows text >> annotation and produces GPX that plays quite nicely in JOSM. That plus >> my Hero's camera app. It's said to be comparatively frugal with battery >> use if dialed down to infrequent polling. Under fairly enthusiastic >> development and release, good stuff. >> >> OSM Tracker for Android[tm] < >> http://code.google.com/p/osmtracker-android/ > is looking good too, and >> gets updates about as often: it's recently grown the ability to make >> photo records as well as voice notes, and seems to have some hardcoded >> presets. Faintly funky WinMo-esque UI that seems to be improving :) >> >> I'm hoping that Open GPS Tracker < >> http://code.google.com/p/open-gpstracker/ > will show OSM background >> layers in a future release: currently it only displays Google Maps maps, >> so it's of no use to OSMers. But it behaves very nicely, it's open >> source, seems to be updated fairly frequently, and I'd really quite like >> to use it for the task of -seeing where I've been- when out mapping. >> Looks like a good project to hack on, or at least to vote up wishlist >> items you want on :) >> >> RMaps < http://code.google.com/p/rmaps/ > can show various OSM layers >> including the public transport one, but doesn't seem able to cache >> downloaded tiles. Open-source. Annoying bug that sometimes crashes the >> app when tapping around in the map display. >> >> Maps(-) (no source URL; think it's just freeware) can cache downloaded >> tiles on the SD card for offline use, but can't be worked on publicly >> (AFAICT), and has had "ad releases" in the past without any warning, >> behaviour which I dislike intensely. >> >> >> >> And, erm, that's what I actually use. >> >> -- >> Andrew Chadwick >> >> ___ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > > > -- > Dr. Graham Jones > Hartlepool, UK > email: grahamjones...@gmail.com > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenGeoData
Have all the old posts on OpenGeoData been lost forever? I was looking for the old announcement about Yahoo! giving permission to use the satellite imagery, I just get the front page with no 404 error, redirect or warning that the content has moved :-( http://opengeodata.org/?p=120 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] wikipedia: towns/cities pages include a osm-direct-link
On 7 March 2010 00:59, Tirkon wrote: > The developers also think about integrating the georeferenced Commons > photos into an OSM map as it is known from Google Maps together with > http://www.panoramio.com/. That's a really cool idea. It would also be nice if there was a way to add locations to Commons images using some form of embedded OSM widget, like how it's done on Panoramio. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetMap embedding Flickr photos
On 1 March 2010 22:44, wrote: > In my case (the street sign picture) they are purely displaying it as a > whole so I guess that they are a collective work, however in the new fancy > stuff they are actively blending photos into a mosasic which surely is a > derriative work. I guess that the new position, orientation and other metadata would be derived works, while the mosaic itself would be just a combination of everything and therefore a collective work. It would be really cool for OSM-like projects if we could force Google to publish this new metadata under a CC:SA license rather than have them remove CC:SA images from their maps. If this happened we could upload our own sloppily geo-tagged images to Flickr or other hosting services under CC:SA licenses, then pull the metadata back out from Google once they'd used their streetview images to perfectly align them, then people could do all kinds of cool stuff with the data: make our own street view, run them through Bundler to get point clouds for the outlines of buildings for tracing, have someone start a rival to Photosynth, maybe even a fully textured 3D streetmap one day. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Serious consideration of "Newbie Editor"
If there are plans for a new web editor, can avoiding Flash be part of the considerations? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] XFN links from user pages
Hi New user here, apologies if I'm posting this in the wrong place, I asked about this on IRC and was redirected here. I've been playing with this new Google Buzz thing and realised that privacy issues aside, it's a great step forward in encouraging the growth of the semantic web. Social networks of the future won't be owned by one entity like with Facebook, MySpace and LinkedIn, but instead spread across the whole of the web and linked together with RSS feeds and microformats like XFN and FoaF. So, I think it would be cool if we could have the XFN profile attribute in the head tag of our OSM profile pages and a rel="me" link back to some user defined URL. There would also need to be similar links to combine sub-pages (rel="chapter me", rel="index me"). This info could then be used by Buzz right now, friends could see my edits and maybe get sucked into OSM that way, but the important thing is that social web apps of the future would be able to use this data too. Anyone else think this is a great idea? Regards Gaz ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
