Re: [Talk-ca] Nunavut place names language

[Laura O'Grady]

Just spotted this map of Nunavut on Twitter:

https://mobile.twitter.com/CanadianGIS/status/780181115407626240/photo/1

It was created by the Inuit Heritage Trust in 2015 and may provide some insight 
into this issue.

Best wishes,

Laura


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> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 14:15:02 -0400
> From: "Stewart C. Russell" 
> To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Nunavut place names language
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> Hi John,
> 
>> I would like to purpose OSM uses the same standard as this Wikipedia
>> Article.
>> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_communities_in_Nunavut
> 
> Seems reasonable.
> 
>> I really believe that *name=** should be written in english (Community).
> 
> It's certainly more consistent than using "English  Inuktitut",
> since it's unlikely that people will call it two things at once.
> 
> Please add name:en as well for the English names. That way, automatic
> parsing will show a little less cultural bias.
> 
>> Inuktitut name if different from the name = *alt_name*
> 
> alt_name looks to me like it's for a name that's different in the same
> language. This would be the case for Kugaaruk, which is also (according
> to the Wikipedia article) known as Arviligjuaq.
> 
>> Inuktitut syllabics = *name:in (ᐃᖅᐊᓗᑦ)*
> 
> name:iu, surely?
> 
> Best Wishes,
> Stewart
> 
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Re: [Talk-ca] JOSM: purge import pictures into sequence after use

[Laura O'Grady]

Hi Stewart,

Thanks for your response.

I'm not sure if I had a layer for this. I will check next time I use this 
option. Excellent suggestion. Can't believe I didn't think of that.

Re: which plugin - that's a good question. I didn't include that detail as I'm 
not sure. I have more than one photo-related one installed. I was hoping 
someone would recognize which one by my comments.

I now think it is this one by Mapillary:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/Mapillary

Details about using the "import into sequence after use" feature are not 
provided in the wiki entry linked above.

I was able to solve it by rebooting. This is obviously not a long term 
solution. 

However, according to the info at the link I need to click on the image(s) and 
delete. Kind of tedious when you have 50 + but I guess it's better than 
rebooting.

Laura

> On Aug 24, 2016, at 11:52 AM, Stewart C. Russell  wrote:
> 
> Hi Laura,
> 
>> TL;DR How do you remove one entry of "import pictures in sequence"
>> after completing and uploading edits?
> 
> In the Layers pane, select and delete the "Geotagged Images" layer
> between image imports, perhaps?
> 
> What plugin are you using to get the "import pictures into sequence"
> File menu entry? I don't see it, but got the same effect by opening
> images directly via File → Open …
> 
> cheers,
> Stewart
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[Talk-ca] JOSM: purge import pictures into sequence after use

[Laura O'Grady]

I'm currently adding a fairly large number of amenities, POIs, etc. into OSM in 
a newly developed neighbourhood near where I live. I used a GPS to photograph 
the location of these entities and am using the "import pictures into sequence" 
feature on the File menu in JOSM. 

For those not familiar with this feature the pictures appear on the map with a 
triangle symbol and a green line connecting the sequence in which the photos 
were entered into JOSM.

My first import was some photos of park benches. After upload I added some 
photos of fire hydrants. But the park bench photos and green connecting line 
were still there. So I closed and opened JOSM, reloaded the tiles for the area 
I'm working on but it still didn't purge it. So I continued on, added and 
uploaded the fire hydrants and then added some waste baskets. The problem is my 
work space is now cluttered with all three. It's getting hard to sort 
everything out and I have more entries to make.

TL;DR How do you remove one entry of "import pictures in sequence" after 
completing and uploading edits?

Any suggestions? I'm using the most recent version of JOSM.

Thanks.

Laura

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Re: [OSM-talk] MAPS.ME edits - partly sub-standard

[Laura O'Grady]

There's a history of the events involving the lawsuit Canada Post filed against 
geocoder.ca, which may provide some perspective on this issue [1]. The most 
recent entry, in May of this year indicates the four year legal battle has been 
settled.

[1]http://geocoder.ca/?sued=1

> On Aug 18, 2016, at 4:42 PM, john whelan  wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately there is a lot of GIS work done with postcodes.  Where is the 
> best place to put a new coffee shop?  Which areas have the most break-ins?  
> Etc.
> 
> Thus being able to sell postcodes has become a source of income for post 
> offices and since it cost them money to create them they'd like to recover 
> that and a bit more as well.
> 
> Canada Post will let you look up a postcode but I seem to recall a disclaimer 
> saying it is Canada Post's copyright or some such.
> 
> So yes they want you to use them for mail but for any other purpose they'd 
> like some money please.
> 
> Cheerio John 
> 
>> On 18 Aug 2016 4:04 pm, "John F. Eldredge"  wrote:
>> I know I am replying to a two-month-old message, but the idea of 
>> restrictions on entering postal codes is baffling.  At least in the USA, the 
>> Post Office encourages the use of postal codes (called Zip codes) on mail, 
>> to expedite the delivery of mail, and used to publish large reference books 
>> listing the postal codes for every address in a particular area.  Nowadays, 
>> they have a web site where you can enter an address, and look up the postal 
>> code for that address.  What would be the purpose of postal codes that 
>> aren't told to the general public?  Or, is it that the postal code 
>> boundaries are restricted, but the postal code for a given address is not 
>> restricted?
>> 
>> 
>>> On 06/21/2016 05:14 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
 On 06/21/2016 11:07 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
 Perish the thought that people might add their local knowledge to OSM. I
 thought it was all imports, armchairing and tagwanking these days.
>>> Only Canadians are allowed to enter their own post codes. The other
>>> countries haven't had their lawsuits resolved yet.
>>> 
>>> Bye
>>> Frederik
>> 
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[Talk-ca] OpenStreetMap at the Crossroads – The Map Room

[Laura O'Grady]

Interesting post [1] following up on Michal Migurski's [2] comments, 
"openstreetmap: robots, crisis, and craft mappers", which were based on his 
thoughts after attending SOTM Seattle. It's basically a treatise categorizing 
mappers and (inadvertently) creating a hierarchy of value or importance. 

I recently exchanged messages via OSM with a "robot mapper" who did a bunch of 
imports in my areas. I asked this person some questions about their edits, 
pointed out some errors and invited them to present their work at a local OSM 
meeting. After a few exchanges I received no further response. 

I don't know what recourse there is for this (imports gone astray) or if OSM 
plans to address any of the issues outlined in the linked blog posts in the 
future. But I thought this community might want to discuss these ideas and the 
ensuing discussions in their respective comment sections.

Laura

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[1] http://www.maproomblog.com/2016/08/openstreetmap-at-the-crossroads/
[2] http://mike.teczno.com/notes/openstreetmap-at-a-crossroads.html


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Re: [Talk-ca] Crowdsourcing buildings with Statistics Canada

[Laura O'Grady]

There's a form [1] requesting this data set. Not sure if posting a request will 
help as we know this has been going on for years.

You can get the Forward Sortation Areas in a boundary file [2], which can be 
exported from the db. I noticed the disclaimer, "This data includes information 
copied with permission from Canada Post Corporation". But of course this is 
incomplete. I wonder if it's the latter 3 characters, the Local Delivery Unit, 
which can pinpoint to individual households is being suppressed for privacy 
reasons.

As an academic we battled Stats Can for years for access to data that was paid 
for by taxpayer dollars. Eventually we won. So there's a precedent of sorts.

Has anyone tried filing a freedom of information request for the postal codes?

Laura

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[1] http://open.canada.ca/en/suggested-datasets/postal-code-database
[2] 
https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2011/geo/bound-limit/bound-limit-2011-eng.cfm

> On Aug 6, 2016, at 2:12 PM, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ​I understand the current intent is data.gc.ca
> 
> There is actually a lot of postcode data in Ottawa adhresses as it stands 
> especially for commercial buildings.  Don't hold your breath for Canada Post 
> and postcodes.
> 
> Some attributes they would like at the moment I can't see how a mapper would 
> map them from physically looking at the building.
> 
> If nothing else it should clean up the map.  For that reason it would be nice 
> to be able to pull chunks into JOSM and go over it looking for obvious errors 
> and spelling mistakes in tags.  Maperitive has the ability to extract the 
> tags and export them in spreadsheet format which is good for this sort of 
> thing but you need a source to feed it.​
> 
> Cheerio John
> 
>> On 6 August 2016 at 12:38, Stewart C. Russell <scr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi John - some great points here.
>> 
>> > My understanding is currently he’s looking getting hold of the City of
>> > Ottawa building outline data and making it available to OpenStreetMap
>> > without the current license restriction.
>> 
>> This would be wonderful. It would be ideal if the data could be placed
>> on data.gc.ca and use the OGL-CA v2 licence. OSM can't use any data
>> under the City of Ottawa Open Data - Terms of use
>> <http://ottawa.ca/en/mobile-apps-and-open-data/open-data-terms-use>. I
>> also have my doubts about the acceptability of the Statistics Canada
>> Open Licence Agreement <http://www.statcan.gc.ca/eng/reference/licence>.
>> OGL-CA v2, though, we know to be acceptable.
>> 
>> Also, if there were to be an import, we *must* follow the
>> Import/Guidelines
>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines> or risk having
>> any new imports deleted. The recent LA building import provides a decent
>> template, but there are no imports without the Data Working Group having
>> knowledge of it.
>> 
>> [** Bjenk: if all this seems gibberish, please ping me off-list, and I'd
>> be happy to have a chat. Despite my previous flippant comments, I think
>> this is a great project.]
>> 
>> To some more of John's points:
>> 
>> > He’s also asking for the building outline to be tagged with the address
>> > including postcode.  Which is interesting as currently each node of
>> > store within a building might have part of the address.
>> 
>> For sure. I looked at the City of Ottawa data, and getting it to mesh
>> with existing address points and ranges in OSM is going to be challenging:
>> 
>> * fixing street naming to meet OSM standards (so Ottawa's 991 CARLING
>> AVE would have to become addr:housenumber=991 and addr:street=Carling
>> Avenue). Not impossible, but would need some manual oversight
>> 
>> * Inconsistent application of French to some street names, English to
>> others, and no obvious metadata to distinguish language
>> 
>> * some buildings in mixed-use neighbourhoods will have multiple address
>> points, all containing the same address (eg St Stephen's on Parkdale Ave
>> has three 579 Parkdale Ave nodes)
>> 
>> * some buildings just plain don't have address points nearby (like the
>> Agri-Food Canada Building on Carling Ave)
>> 
>> * rationalizing address points with existing address ranges.
>> 
>> And then there's the postal code problem. If Stat Canada can bring us a
>> licence-compatible data set of full codes that Canada Post *won't* try
>> to sue us over, that would be glorious. I'm not sure we could get enough
>> traction with the general Canadian public to do the "Free the P

Re: [Talk-ca] Participating in the OSM forum

[Laura O'Grady]

Hi Stewart,

OSM credentials worked. Thanks.

Laura

> On Aug 5, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Stewart C. Russell  wrote:
> 
> Hi Laura,
> 
>> I was trying to register at the OSM forum. It appears as though new 
>> registrations are closed.
> 
> Try your OSM user name and password. Mine seemed to work, and I don't
> think I've ever posted there before.
> 
> This should really use OAuth, he grumbles uselessly ...
> 
> Stewart
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[Talk-ca] Participating in the OSM forum

[Laura O'Grady]

Hi all,

I was trying to register at the OSM forum. It appears as though new 
registrations are closed. Here's the message I get from this link, 
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/register.php.

"This forum is not accepting new registrations"

Does anyone know why? Is there some kind of limit with the software running the 
forum? Does anyone know how to message the mods? Thanks.

Laura

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