Re: [talk-au] SA Aquatic Reserves Import

[Lee Mason]

>- What is the protect_class?



I’m pretty sure that protect_class is just the IUCN 
classification<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IUCN_protected_area_categories> of 
the protected area, which can roughly be interpreted as the conservation 
significance of the area. At least that is my interpretation from the wiki.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dprotected_area



The table in the above link is a bit confused in regards to Australia, it 
correctly states in the category 1 column:

“In Australia there is no general relationship between the title given to a 
protected area and its IUCN category. Tagging should be based on data from 
(CAPAD)”



But in categories 2-6, it contradicts and lists specific protection titles for 
a protect class.



Speaking from a Tasmanian example, Conservation Areas span from IUCN 1a to VI. 
But the vast majority are IV, V or VI.



> is boundary=protected_area enough for the relations, or should it
have type=boundary or type=multipolygon?



I think type=boundary and boundary=protected_area for the relations. 
Type=multipolygon is more for physical objects such as water, wood, etc.



Hope that helps.

Lee




From: Andrew Harvey 
Sent: Monday, December 3, 2018 6:50:49 PM
To: OSM Australian Talk List
Cc: Lee Mason; o...@97k.com
Subject: SA Aquatic Reserves Import

I'm proposing to import 5 aquatic reserves in SA as sourced from
https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdata.sa.gov.au%2Fdata%2Fdataset%2Faquatic-reservesdata=02%7C01%7C%7C94bca20cea9b4262dfc408d658f415a0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636794202683220412sdata=Yn4%2FnjNgpkFAw%2FbpeINY9ks%2FQR2liDg5%2BLql%2B9zzTbs%3Dreserved=0

1. Licensing
okay per 
https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.openstreetmap.org%2Fwiki%2FAustralian_Data_Cataloguedata=02%7C01%7C%7C94bca20cea9b4262dfc408d658f415a0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636794202683220412sdata=wVhUJyyyZA0%2BmVlY95gSpfW%2BYUzRyBTgk%2BfOsQsgP1s%3Dreserved=0
will add a list to Contributors wiki page as part of the import

2. Conflation with existing
- confirmed manually none of these exist in OSM currently
- the metadata for this data says that the coastal borders are mean
high water mark, so these should be glued with the OSM coastline,
however I'm proposing that be done post-import as a clean up task

3. Tagging
- name is the only tag brought across
- wikidata/wikpedia tags added manually
- protection_title=Aquatic Reserve
- operator_type=government
- operator=PIRSA Fisheries & Aquaculture
- boundary=protected_area
- note=coastline boundaries are Mean High Water Mark from DEWNR, they
can be glued to the OSM mean high water mark coastline

4. Open questions
- What is the protect_class?
- is boundary=protected_area enough for the relations, or should it
have type=boundary or type=multipolygon?

5. Import Process
Open 
https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftianjara.net%2Fdata%2Fosm%2Fimports%2Fsa-aquatic-reserves.osmdata=02%7C01%7C%7C94bca20cea9b4262dfc408d658f415a0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636794202683220412sdata=O%2Fv9%2BWGLMESstEtZ2AtW8X0Myg5eIgMPb5wxqcBYHMk%3Dreserved=0
 in
JOSM and upload
- done using dedicated import account
- changeset source tag pointing to
https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdata.sa.gov.au%2Fdata%2Fdataset%2Faquatic-reservesdata=02%7C01%7C%7C94bca20cea9b4262dfc408d658f415a0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636794202683220412sdata=Yn4%2FnjNgpkFAw%2FbpeINY9ks%2FQR2liDg5%2BLql%2B9zzTbs%3Dreserved=0
- changeset tag pointing to this thread

/cc Lee and cleary since you worked on the commonwealth level marine
parks, any feedback on what I've proposed here would be great
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Re: [talk-au] PSMA Administrative Boundaries

[Lee Mason]

Ok!


From: Andrew Davidson 
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 9:45:24 PM
To: Lee Mason
Subject: Re: [talk-au] PSMA Administrative Boundaries

Planning for the import is not finished yet, so please wait until after that.

On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 21:23 Lee Mason 
mailto:lee.ma...@outlook.com.au> wrote:

I am prepared to make a start on the Tasmania import over the next few days, 
unless there is some further discussion?




From: Joel H. mailto:jo...@disroot.org>>
Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 2:57:45 PM
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org<mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org>; Andrew Harvey
Subject: Re: [talk-au] PSMA Administrative Boundaries

How are we with our import plan on the wiki, Do we have any blockers
stopping the PSMA import?

I think we should start setting dates state-by-state for import.


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Re: [talk-au] PSMA Administrative Boundaries

[Lee Mason]

I am prepared to make a start on the Tasmania import over the next few days, 
unless there is some further discussion?




From: Joel H. 
Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 2:57:45 PM
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org; Andrew Harvey
Subject: Re: [talk-au] PSMA Administrative Boundaries

How are we with our import plan on the wiki, Do we have any blockers
stopping the PSMA import?

I think we should start setting dates state-by-state for import.


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Re: [talk-au] PSMA Administrative Boundaries

[Lee Mason]

I didn’t know what to make of QLD, but I’ve just found this definition which 
suggests that the OSM coastline should be sufficient:
http://qldspatial.information.qld.gov.au/catalogue/custom/viewMetadataDetails.page?uuid=%7B3F3DBD69-647B-4833-B0A5-CC43D5E70699%7D

“For coastal areas other than Brisbane, the LGA comprises the mainland and all 
islands above their respective sea-shores within the encompassed area.”


From: Andrew Davidson<mailto:thesw...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2018 20:56
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org<mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [talk-au] PSMA Administrative Boundaries

On 07/10/18 23:27, Lee Mason wrote:
> Nice work on cleaning up the PSMA data, Andrew. It looks a lot easier to
> manage for importing now.
>
> A quick look at the data, and it appears there is some regional/state
> variance in the boundaries:
>
> Some of the WA LGAs extend out to the coastal waters limit.
>
> VIC LGAs mostly approximate the high tide mark (except around Port
> Welshpool) and are shared with the locality boundaries.
>
> TAS LGAs mostly extend to the low tide mark and are not shared with
> locality boundaries.
>

Weirdly in Queensland, some of the locality and LGA boundaries extend
into international waters. They probably need to be cut-off at the
coastal water boundary.

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Re: [talk-au] PSMA Administrative Boundaries

[Lee Mason]

Nice work on cleaning up the PSMA data, Andrew. It looks a lot easier to manage 
for importing now.



A quick look at the data, and it appears there is some regional/state variance 
in the boundaries:

Some of the WA LGAs extend out to the coastal waters limit.

VIC LGAs mostly approximate the high tide mark (except around Port Welshpool) 
and are shared with the locality boundaries.

TAS LGAs mostly extend to the low tide mark and are not shared with locality 
boundaries.



--



In regards to discussion earlier about aligning boundaries to existing 
features; I think that if a mapper determines that a boundary and a feature 
approximate each other, they can be merged. But it should not be a requirement 
to align or not align features.



For example, when an admin boundary clearly defines the left side of a river, 
it should be separate. But as the river becomes a stream and is narrower and 
more ambiguous, it would provide a tidier map to align the two features at this 
point.



Whilst this does mean a decrease in the accuracy of the data on OSM, if a data 
user requires the precision to determine if an admin boundary is on the left or 
right side of a road or river, they should (or would) be using the 
authoritative data source anyway because OSM can never guarantee that level of 
accuracy. It also means it is less of an issue when future users inadvertently 
try to “fix” the map by aligning admin boundaries with rivers, etc.



So I would suggest that mappers use their own good judgement to align a 
boundary and a feature that very closely approximate each other if they wish to 
do so.



With the same reasoning, I think if an admin boundary closely approximates the 
hightide mark, it should be aligned with the OSM coastline.



--



Speaking from the perspective of Tasmania’s data, my suggestion is:

Tassie LGAs would not be aligned with the coastline because they follow the low 
tide mark.

Localities would be aligned to the OSM coastline because they approximate the 
high tide mark.



And I would probably import Tasmania by doing 1 LGA at a time (including the 
contained localities).



Cheers

Lee






From: Andrew Harvey 
Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2018 6:32:02 PM
To: OSM Australian Talk List
Subject: Re: [talk-au] PSMA Administrative Boundaries

I've approached this from the angle of what we'd need to get the data
to look like if importing as is into OSM. I couldn't find any tools
which correctly ensure that boundary ways were shared via relations
instead of duplicated so I wrote some new tools. The process I used is
documented at 
https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fandrewharvey%2Fpsma-admin-bdy2osmdata=02%7C01%7C%7C6fa5cf91925e4f1f3a4d08d62c2734a6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636744944223052969sdata=wwiO1AL7k1rZAvsf5Igz6SsC758fwZ%2BxdYKdnmj4Upo%3Dreserved=0

The processed AUGUST 2018 LGA + Suburb/Locality OSM file is at

https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftianjara.net%2Fdata%2FPSMA_Admin_Bdy.osm.pbfdata=02%7C01%7C%7C6fa5cf91925e4f1f3a4d08d62c2734a6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636744944223052969sdata=EH3xdg4az3Ps1T8iQIjqJ6H9ui3lZZ36cjTns4xHTvk%3Dreserved=0

The file is quite big so you'll need enough memory to open it in JOSM.

In JOSM you can open this directly with the PBF plugin otherwise any
of the software at
https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.openstreetmap.org%2Fwiki%2FPBF%2FSoftware_Compliancedata=02%7C01%7C%7C6fa5cf91925e4f1f3a4d08d62c2734a6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636744944223052969sdata=D06VwqI21v7Oqk36bFLgJUcrBWCzY7NpzDPk3zIn%2BuE%3Dreserved=0
 can
deflate it.

I see the next steps are to:

- discuss if this is the right format for upload or not,
- how we'll manage that upload in terms of breaking it up into smaller pieces
- if there is any re-using of existing ways or not
- how to ensure we're retaining the existing LGA/Suburb data in OSM.
This includes both relations and those mapped as points (as Joel
touched on). Those mapped as points are likely suitable for either the
label or admin_center members of the relation.

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Re: [talk-au] Australia maritime boundaries - import plan

[Lee Mason]

> If the ways are shared .. then I think the source statement needs to go on 
> the ways rather than the relation.

>This helps stop people moving them to match some physical feature.


Sounds sensible, I’ll do that.



>Thanks for the detailed plan Lee. It looks okay to me.

Thanks Andrew.




From: Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 1:24:48 PM
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Australia maritime boundaries - import plan

Quibble;

If the ways are not shared with anything else then it is fine.

If the ways are shared .. then I think the source statement needs to go on the 
ways rather than the relation.
This helps stop people moving them to match some physical feature.


On 04/09/18 13:04, Andrew Harvey wrote:

> Thanks for the detailed plan Lee. It looks okay to me.
> On Mon, 3 Sep 2018 at 23:23, Lee Mason  wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>>
>>
>> Here is my import plan in regards to the earlier discussion about maritime 
>> boundaries. Please feel free to ask any questions or make suggestions.
>>
>>
>>
>> Click here to download the OSM data file with the pre-prepared data for 
>> import.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Lee
>>
>>
>>
>> ---IMPORT DATA-
>>
>>
>>
>> DATA SOURCE: DATA TO IMPORT
>>
>> Seas and Submerged Lands Act 1973 - Australian Maritime Boundaries 2014a - 
>> Geodatabase:
>>
>>
>>
>> (1a) Australia exclusive economic zone
>>
>> (1b) Australia contiguous zone
>>
>> (1c) Australia territorial waters [already in OSM]
>>
>>
>>
>> Coastal Waters (State/Territory Powers) Act 1980 - Australian Maritime 
>> Boundaries 2014a - Geodatabase:
>>
>>
>>
>> (2a) Australia coastal waters limit
>>
>>
>>
>> Any maritime boundaries for Australia’s Antarctic territory claim will not 
>> be imported.
>>
>>
>>
>> There are two EEZs provided by Geoscience Australia:
>>
>> “NOTE: Two versions of the Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) are supplied to 
>> account for the discrepancy between Seas and Submerged Lands Act 1973. The 
>> Proclamation under section 10B (26/07/1994), and unratified Treaty between 
>> the Government of Australia and the Government of the Republic of Indonesia, 
>> establishing an Exclusive Economic Zone Boundary and Certain Seabed 
>> Boundaries (Perth, 14 march 1997) [1997] ATNIF 9 - (not yet in force). 
>> Although the proclamation remains in force, for many matters the limit 
>> modified by the action of the treaty is the limit that should be applied. 
>> This is the default depiction of Australia's EEZ.”
>>
>> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fservices.ga.gov.au%2Fgis%2Frest%2Fservices%2FSSLA_1973_AMB2014a%2FMapServerdata=02%7C01%7C%7C0958bc34b699407a0bff08d61216282f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636716283704654823sdata=UvGLoP99%2FQcIveBwHAAgrWw6gMiU%2FhxooYyAHRiu6Us%3Dreserved=0
>>
>>
>>
>> The 1997 treaty amended EEZ limit has been selected for import because, as 
>> mentioned above, it is the default depiction of Australia’s EEZ.
>>
>>
>>
>> LICENSE
>>
>> Both sources are licensed under Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 
>> International from Geoscience Australia
>>
>>
>>
>> WAIVER/ATTRIBUTION
>>
>> Geoscience waiver and attribution  (ODbL compliant).
>>
>>
>>
>> OSM DATA FILE:
>>
>> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2F1drv.ms%2Fu%2Fs!AhNsZYj9KZ5gp8gbgMMDbw780UWFwwdata=02%7C01%7C%7C0958bc34b699407a0bff08d61216282f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636716283704654823sdata=FFnyAkbTZHVIo3udxxtjTscPADmuThl%2FqR2y38Oji6g%3Dreserved=0
>>  (will keep link active for about a month or so)
>>
>>
>>
>> IMPORT TYPE
>>
>> One-time import, manual integration using JOSM.
>>
>>
>>
>> ---DATA PREPARATION-
>>
>>
>>
>> REDUCTION AND SIMPLIFICATION
>>
>> Only the maritime boundaries mentioned above will be imported from the data 
>> sources.
>>
>>
>>
>> Shapefiles have been simplified in QGIS (0.0001 simplification tolerance) to 
>> reduce the number of points, while maintaining good detail. Minimal or no 
>> distinguishable change in detail is observed at OSM zoom level 14 and lower.
>>
>>
>>
>> TAGGING AND RELATIONS
>>
>> (1a)
>>
>> -New relation in OSM:
>>
>> alt_name=Australia (EEZ)
>

[talk-au] Australia maritime boundaries - import plan

[Lee Mason]

Hello all,

Here is my import plan in regards to the earlier discussion about maritime 
boundaries. Please feel free to ask any questions or make suggestions.

Click here to download the OSM data file with the pre-prepared data for 
import.

Cheers
Lee

---IMPORT DATA-

DATA SOURCE: DATA TO IMPORT

  1.  Seas and Submerged Lands Act 1973 - Australian Maritime Boundaries 2014a 
- 
Geodatabase:

(1a) Australia exclusive economic zone
(1b) Australia contiguous zone
(1c) Australia territorial waters [already in OSM]


  1.  Coastal Waters (State/Territory Powers) Act 1980 - Australian Maritime 
Boundaries 2014a - 
Geodatabase:

(2a) Australia coastal waters limit

Any maritime boundaries for Australia’s Antarctic territory claim will not be 
imported.

There are two EEZs provided by Geoscience Australia:
“NOTE: Two versions of the Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) are supplied to 
account for the discrepancy between Seas and Submerged Lands Act 1973. The 
Proclamation under section 10B (26/07/1994), and unratified Treaty between the 
Government of Australia and the Government of the Republic of Indonesia, 
establishing an Exclusive Economic Zone Boundary and Certain Seabed Boundaries 
(Perth, 14 march 1997) [1997] ATNIF 9 - (not yet in force). Although the 
proclamation remains in force, for many matters the limit modified by the 
action of the treaty is the limit that should be applied. This is the default 
depiction of Australia's EEZ.”
http://services.ga.gov.au/gis/rest/services/SSLA_1973_AMB2014a/MapServer

The 1997 treaty amended EEZ limit has been selected for import because, as 
mentioned above, it is the default depiction of Australia’s EEZ.

LICENSE
Both sources are licensed under Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 
International from Geoscience 
Australia

WAIVER/ATTRIBUTION
Geoscience 
waiver
 and 
attribution
  (ODbL compliant).

OSM DATA FILE:
https://1drv.ms/u/s!AhNsZYj9KZ5gp8gbgMMDbw780UWFww (will keep link active for 
about a month or so)

IMPORT TYPE
One-time import, manual integration using JOSM.

---DATA PREPARATION-

REDUCTION AND SIMPLIFICATION
Only the maritime boundaries mentioned above will be imported from the data 
sources.

Shapefiles have been simplified in QGIS (0.0001 simplification tolerance) to 
reduce the number of points, while maintaining good detail. Minimal or no 
distinguishable change in detail is observed at OSM zoom level 
14 and lower.

TAGGING AND RELATIONS
(1a)
-New relation in OSM:
alt_name=Australia (EEZ)
border_type=eez
boundary=maritime
maritime=yes
name=Australia (exclusive economic zone)
source:date=2017-06-24
source= Seas and Submerged Lands Act 1973 - Australian Maritime Boundaries 
2014a, Perth Treaty 1997 amendment, Geoscience Australia.
type=boundary

(1b)
-New relation in OSM:
border_type=contiguous
boundary=maritime
maritime=yes
name=Australia (contiguous zone)
source:date=2017-06-24
source=Seas and Submerged Lands Act 1973 - Australian Maritime Boundaries 
2014a, Geoscience Australia.
type=boundary

(1c)
-Will be integrated with the existing Australia 
relation in OSM. Only required 
for fixes to correct detail (such as around Lord Howe/Elizabeth reef). The 
following tags will be added on the maritime ways:
maritime=yes
description=Territorial sea boundary

The redundant tag (“note= generated from coastline+baseline segments”) will be 
removed from the ways when checked against this Geoscience data.

(2a)
-Will be integrated with existing 
state/territory
 relations. The most significant change will be that state/territory boundaries 
will be changed to match the coastal water limits instead of Australia’s 
territorial waters limit.
The following tags will be added on the maritime ways:
maritime=yes
description=Coastal waters boundary

CHANGESET TAG
When uploading, the following sources will be stated:
(1a,b,c) Seas and Submerged Lands Act 1973 - Australian Maritime Boundaries 
2014a, Geoscience Australia. 2017-06-24.
(2a) Coastal Waters (State/Territory Powers) Act 1980 - Australian Maritime 
Boundaries 2014a, Geoscience Australia. 2017-06-24.


---DATA MERGE WORKFLOW-
Working solo, will take several days or less due to lack of existing data and 
minimal conflation when importing.

WORKFLOW
*Download existing OSM boundaries with overpass API in JOSM for relevant areas.
*Merge data 

Re: [talk-au] Australia maritime boundaries - Geoscience Australia

[Lee Mason]

>Would this import effect the way the existing "coastline" is shown in OSM?

No, my original intent was not to import the baselines. Only the EEZ, 
contiguous zone, and coastal waters (state maritime boundary). And territorial 
maritime boundary fixes as necessary.

I see there are already some strait baseline boundaries in OSM, but only those 
of greater than several kms in length.
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Re: [talk-au] Australia maritime boundaries - Geoscience Australia

[Lee Mason]

>That seems to imply that the coastal waters aren't part of the State or 
>Territory, just that the State and Territories have jurisdiction over that 
>coastal water. I'm not even sure the State/Territory borders should extend out 
>past the coastline at all?

I would be in favour of extending the state/territory out to the coastal waters 
limits. I interpret the definition being that, for all intents and purposes, 
the coastal waters are part of the state/territory, except that these coastal 
waters constitute Australia’s territorial waters.

Also, extending the state/territory borders out to the coastal waters limits 
would enclose any features in OSM that lie outside of the coastline, but are 
managed or considered a part of the respective state/territory. Most notably 
bays or even some beaches.
As an example, The Ningaloo Marine Park 
[OSM]  (Commonwealth waters), 
lies directly adjacent to a marine park of the same name but within state 
waters and managed by Western Australia (currently not in OSM – but here is a 
good map showing 
both).

>However, I was waiting for GA to release an updated dataset that will
have the new boundaries arising from recent treaty negotiations with
East Timor. I'd suggest waiting till then.

I am happy to proceed with the import. I would expect any amendments would only 
be relatively minimal around the region.

>I would ask that before anyone does imports, you make and document a plan, so 
>which data sources, which tags are going to be used and seek feedback

I shall start working on a plan, post it here, and begin importing after 
consultation.
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[talk-au] Australia maritime boundaries - Geoscience Australia

[Lee Mason]

Except for the territorial boundary, Australia’s maritime boundaries in 
OpenStreetMap are incomplete. I have found two potential data sources for 
import from Geoscience Australia. Both are CC-BY-4.0 and I believe the waiver 
for GSA covers these datasets, but I ask here to be 100% certain.

Link to the waiver:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:GeoscienceAustralia_CCBY_Waiver_EmailAcceptance.pdf

Includes boundaries of the exclusive economic zone, contiguous zone and 
territorial sea (already in map):
https://data.gov.au/dataset/seas-and-submerged-lands-act-1973-australian-maritime-boundaries-2014a-geodatabase

Includes coastal water boundaries:
https://data.gov.au/dataset/coastal-waters-state-territory-powers-act-1980-australian-maritime-boundaries-2014a-geodatabase

At present, state and territory admin borders in OSM (admin_level =4) extend 
out to Australia’s maritime territorial border (admin_level=2). It appears that 
the proper form would be to extend to coastal water limits instead.

Any import would be fairly straight forward, just needs to be carefully 
integrated with the existing state/territory boundaries and the recently 
imported marine parks of Commonwealth waters (which are within the EEZ, but 
outside of coastal waters).

Geoscience Australia has a useful list of maritime boundary definitions:
http://www.ga.gov.au/scientific-topics/marine/jurisdiction/maritime-boundary-definitions

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Re: [talk-au] PSMA Administrative Boundaries

[Lee Mason]

Yes, good work getting the waiver. I would also agree not to include electoral 
boundaries. And my primary interest would also be Tasmania.

The state (and probably more broadly) already has a comprehensive naming of 
localities and suburbs from surveys, but mostly from the GeoScience Australia 
place names dataset. I would think that when integrating PSMA boundaries, it 
would be important to preserve these place nodes which more accurately pinpoint 
the locations of smaller communities (even if it is only a cluster of a few 
homes), which would not necessarily be the centroid of the relation.

And just hand-waving some possible scenario/solution: nodes of place=hamlet or 
lower would be integrated with the PSMA locality region. The node would be take 
role:label in the relation. The relation would place=hamlet as well as 
boundary=admin?



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Re: [talk-au] Australian Marine Parks Import

[Lee Mason]

I’d be happy to update the marine parks with the latest dataset.
Cheers – Lee.

From: Andrew Harvey<mailto:andrew.harv...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 22 August 2018 15:50
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org<mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org>; 
o...@97k.com<mailto:o...@97k.com>; Lee Mason<mailto:lee.ma...@outlook.com.au>
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Australian Marine Parks Import

The Australian Marine Parks data owner reached out to me to bring the new 
Australian Marine Parks dataset[1] which went into effect on 1st July 2018 into 
OSM as they noticed we are mostly still using the outdated CAPAD 2016 data.

I've updated the Contributors page[2] with the required attribution and the CC 
BY waiver they completed[3].

@Lee and @cleary I know you've been working on these boundaries in the past, 
are you interested in updating OSM based on this data from DoEE?

[1] 
http://www.environment.gov.au/fed/catalog/search/resource/details.page?uuid=%7BCD8877F3-8C39-4A20-A53F-070FBEE5AF3C%7D<https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.environment.gov.au%2Ffed%2Fcatalog%2Fsearch%2Fresource%2Fdetails.page%3Fuuid%3D%257BCD8877F3-8C39-4A20-A53F-070FBEE5AF3C%257D=02%7C01%7C%7C1c9d60adf83149a5b7d008d607f3368c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636705138501292040=tnjvRDKE8X9d4Eu11uKVvGTJvgPq1ozpIag2dXyUljY%3D=0>
[2] 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Department_of_the_Environment_and_Energy<https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.openstreetmap.org%2Fwiki%2FContributors%23Department_of_the_Environment_and_Energy=02%7C01%7C%7C1c9d60adf83149a5b7d008d607f3368c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636705138501292040=k1g1Bn8Fpwg4hxGbMlegBC6dmve5CfATBFKatksgfu4%3D=0>
[3] 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:AustralianMarineParks_OSM.pdf<https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.openstreetmap.org%2Fwiki%2FFile%3AAustralianMarineParks_OSM.pdf=02%7C01%7C%7C1c9d60adf83149a5b7d008d607f3368c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636705138501292040=9ZizqSBy8VIU1yKjcAGnAerMstgMFsgaqjWy%2FmH9MUE%3D=0>

On 4 July 2018 at 17:27, Lee Mason 
mailto:lee.ma...@outlook.com.au>> wrote:

Seeking comment, suggestions, objections to continuing importing Australian 
marine parks. Boundaries from CAPAD 2016, except names are amended as “Marine 
Park” not “Commonwealth Marine Reserve”.

Technically speaking, the vast majority of Commonwealth Marine Reserves were 
never in effect (no changes on water) until a just few days ago when the marine 
parks came into effect.

Regards,
Lee


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[talk-au] Australian Marine Parks Import

[Lee Mason]

I have compiled some references below to support my original position when 
importing the marine parks. I am also asking for opinion if using the following 
sources on the import data would be acceptable:

source:geography=CAPAD 2016
source:name=Commonwealth Marine Reserves Review

The geospatial data of the zoning changes are not included in the current CAPAD 
release, so the zoning would be omitted in this import.

No changes to the outer boundaries of the reserves
[Speaking about the outcome of the review of marine reserves] “There is no loss 
of area under conservation management (reserve outer boundaries are 
unchanged)...”
https://theconversation.com/the-story-behind-australias-marine-reserves-and-how-we-should-change-them-65220

Change of names
“The Director of National Parks also consulted on a proposal to rename 
Commonwealth marine reserves. Based on this consultation, a proclamation has 
been made to formally change the name of 58 marine reserves to marine parks.”
https://web.archive.org/web/20180629205748/http://environment.gov.au/topics/marine/marine-reserves<https://web.archive.org/web/20180629205748/http:/environment.gov.au/topics/marine/marine-reserves>

The change of names is also clearly evident when visiting 
https://parksaustralia.gov.au/marine/ or 
https://parksaustralia.gov.au/marine/management/background/review-reports/

Regards
Lee


From: Lee Mason<mailto:lee.ma...@outlook.com.au>
Sent: Wednesday, 4 July 2018 17:27
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org<mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Australian Marine Parks Import


Seeking comment, suggestions, objections to continuing importing Australian 
marine parks. Boundaries from CAPAD 2016, except names are amended as “Marine 
Park” not “Commonwealth Marine Reserve”.

Technically speaking, the vast majority of Commonwealth Marine Reserves were 
never in effect (no changes on water) until a just few days ago when the marine 
parks came into effect.

Regards,
Lee


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[talk-au] FW: Australian Marine Parks Import

[Lee Mason]

Reflecting on your points raised in the changeset discussion, I would tend to 
agree more detail is better. My main motivation was to put this information on 
the maps as soon as it was applicable using the data available in CAPAD and my 
knowledge of the marine parks.

The majority of Commonwealth Marine Reserves as they appear in CAPAD now should 
not be added to OSM because they were never in effect, but have been ‘under 
review’ until this Sunday passed (this is stated in CAPAD under the obscure 
‘UR’ acronym).

And just clarifying here, the names of the reserves have not changed, but the 
suffix or protection title of marine reserves managed by the Australian 
government has changed from “Commonwealth Marine Reserve” to “Marine Park” (if 
I remember correctly, the former was considered too military-esque).



From: cleary 
Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2018 8:44:20 PM
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Australian Marine Parks Import


I've already communicated separately but reiterated here for the list:  As 
CAPAD is permitted source of data, we should reproduce this data, including 
names, as it appears in the source. Of course, if we have multiple permitted 
sources with differing data, then we may need to ascertain which is more 
authoritative. If both are equally authoritative, then the more recent is 
probably preferred. However I understand the source of the new names data is 
not a source for which OSM has permission. Therefore we may have to continue  
to use currently permitted data from CAPAD until new CAPAD data is available 
next year.


On Wed, Jul 4, 2018, at 5:27 PM, Lee Mason wrote:



Seeking comment, suggestions, objections to continuing importing Australian 
marine parks. Boundaries from CAPAD 2016, except names are amended as “Marine 
Park” not “Commonwealth Marine Reserve”.



Technically speaking, the vast majority of Commonwealth Marine Reserves were 
never in effect (no changes on water) until a just few days ago when the marine 
parks came into effect.



Regards,

Lee



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[talk-au] Australian Marine Parks Import

[Lee Mason]

Seeking comment, suggestions, objections to continuing importing Australian 
marine parks. Boundaries from CAPAD 2016, except names are amended as “Marine 
Park” not “Commonwealth Marine Reserve”.

Technically speaking, the vast majority of Commonwealth Marine Reserves were 
never in effect (no changes on water) until a just few days ago when the marine 
parks came into effect.

Regards,
Lee

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