Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020i - Solving the licensing issues
Makes sense Stewart! On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 5:37 PM, Stewart C. Russell <scr...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 2018-02-08 08:39 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault wrote: > > > > OSM resembles ordnance survey as was part of the original raison > > d'etre When it started in the UK, but that does not preclude the > > possibility of incorporating administrative boundaries such as wards, > > and less formal boundaries such as neighbourhoods, and potentially > > even other cachtment are boundaries such as school boards, and police > > districts and so on. > > The guiding principles of OSM are “How We Map” > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/How_We_Map>: > > > Contributions to OpenStreetMap should be: > > > > * Truthful - means that you cannot contribute something you have > > invented. > > * Legal - means that you don't copy copyrighted data without > > permission. > > * Verifiable - means that others can go there and see for themselves if > > your data is correct. > > * Relevant - means that you have to use tags that make clear to others > > how to re-use the data. > > When in doubt, also consider the "on the ground rule": map the world > > as it can be observed by someone physically there. > > The difficulty with neighbourhoods, catchment areas and other soft > boundaries is that they can't be verified on the ground. The only > reference is the imported source file. Boundaries > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Boundaries> are assigned a fairly > limited set of tags, and administrative boundaries a very > narrowly-defined set of values > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dadministrative>. > Administrative boundaries tend to pile up in Nominatim's address > resolution - I'm supposed to be living in "The Golden Mile, Scarborough, > Toronto, Ontario" (neighbourhood, postal town, city, province), though > no-one uses that level of detail. Also, the Federal neighbourhood points > (imported years ago) don't match municipal neighbourhoods (according to > the city, I'm in Kennedy Park). > > So while municipal boundaries have their place in OSM, a really good > case (and a whole lot of convincing tagging mavens) would need to be > made before those softer boundaries made it into OSM. > > cheers, > Stewart > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > -- *Tracey P. Lauriault* Assistant Professor Critical Media Studies and Big Data Communication Studies School of Journalism and Communication Suite 4110, River Building Carleton University 1125 Colonel By Drive Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6 1-613-520-2600 x7443 tracey.lauria...@carleton.ca @TraceyLauriault Skype: Tracey.P.Lauriault https://carleton.ca/sjc/people-archives/lauriault-tracey/ ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020i - Solving the licensing issues
This is great! And it reflects the recommendations provided at the first consultation meetings with your management at Satistics Canada. I believe there is merit in talking with the municipalities from whom you are accessing the data, simply as a courtesy, but also as a way to enlist them as part of the project, and potentially they may have a better and more up to date dataset than what they share in their open data. And may even have other data of use. OSM resembles ordnance survey as was part of the original raison d'etre When it started in the UK, but that does not preclude the possibility of incorporating administrative boundaries such as wards, and less formal boundaries such as neighbourhoods, and potentially even other cachtment are boundaries such as school boards, and police districts and so on. I am including James McKinney in this conversation because he did some work in compiling quite a few municipal base files when he was the ed for Open North. And there most definitely will be variable quality, and ontologies! Vive la difference! Nice work and kudos to you and your team. TRacey On Wednesday, February 7, 2018, Alasia, Alessandro (STATCAN) < alessandro.ala...@canada.ca> wrote: > Dear all, > > It is fantastic to see all these exchanges about BC2020i! There are a lot > of great ideas and improvements being made. I cannot follow up on each > point, though I wanted to update you regarding one area of specific > relevance: the attempt to find a solution to the licensing issue for > building related datasets. I believe this is one area where my team can > contribute to support the BC2020i. > > With my team, I am looking into the feasibility of compiling all available > municipal open data files into one single file and then releasing this > single file under one common license, specifically the open data licence of > the Canadian federal government. This would, hopefully, solve the license > compatibility issue. We are still exploring this possibility but are > moderately optimistic. > > So far we started with the "easy" task: compiling all the known files – a > special thanks to those who contributed to the tables on the BC2020i wiki > page! With that and other OD sources, we compiled an > "OpenAddressRepository" file of nearly 11 million records (georeferenced) > and an "OpenBuildingRepository" file of nearly 3.2 million polygons (still > in progress). Preliminary analysis suggests that the coverage and geocoding > are very promising. More importantly, given that the files all originate > from official municipal sources, there should be no reason to doubt the > quality of the data. > > The next step, for us, is to look at the process required to release these > files with a GoC open data license. We do not yet have a clear timeline for > release, but if this idea is possible, we should almost certainly make it > before the timelines that were discussed on Talk-ca for vetting each and > all individual municipal open data licenses - 2080s or 2030s if I recall > correctly :-) > > We believe this solution/approach, if successful, puts an end to the issue > of license compatibility (at least for the files found thus far) and > greatly facilitates the use of these open data by the general public as > well as the private and public sector. Furthermore, and more importantly > for BC2020i, this solution paves the way for the many local OSM groups to > import these open data as they see fit. As well, once the large national > level files are released, we might be able to collaborate with local groups > and provide more manageable partitions of the larger files. > > Of course, this approach will not necessarily solve the license > compatibility issue for all types of municipal files. Thus, needless to > say, anybody is obviously free to pursue submitting individual municipal OD > licenses to the License Working Group of OSM. Though, given that the > Working Group resources are scarce, and assuming the approach outlined > above works for building footprints, we would be happy to discuss the > feasibility of compiling and re-releasing other municipal open data under > the open data licence of the Canadian federal government. > > Finally, as I mentioned in other communications, my team is also exploring > other activities that will hopefully contribute to the BC2020i. These > activities touch on data analysis, data monitoring, and building footprint > extraction from satellite imagery. For this work, we are primarily using > open source tools and applications that can be integrated in open source > environments (more updates on all of this hopefully soon!). > > More updates, feedback, and follow up on other interesting points of > discussion later on. > > Regards to all, > >
Re: [Talk-ca] Carleton University Mapathon
Once you have a date let me know and I can check in on space. THe ateium is grand, food is a monopoly situation, but if during the weekend we can work around stuff. On Thursday, October 26, 2017, James <james2...@gmail.com> wrote: > Setting a time would also be in order, but I imagine this has to be > figured out based on availability of rooms > > On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 11:44 AM, Kent Jacobs <kent.jac...@gmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kent.jac...@gmail.com');>> wrote: > >> Thank you all for the responses! >> >> >> >> I would like to have this during OSM Geoweek, but that week is >> approaching quickly. It would make sense to first designate a time and >> space to hold the Mapathon. I was thinking November 16th or 17th. This >> is after Nov. 14th event at the Royal Canadian Geographic Society where >> I believe Statistics Canada will be giving a presentation on their OSM >> project (https://twitter.com/CarletonDGES/status/920993927934574592). >> >> >> >> I am very familiar with the Carleton campus, so Loeb building could be an >> option since it is the location of the Geography department. Tracey, I hear >> that Richcraft Hall is the nicest building on campus though. If >> anybody else is familiar with Carleton’s campus I’m open to location ideas. >> >> >> >> Kent >> >> >> >> *From:* Tracey P. Lauriault [mailto:tlaur...@gmail.com >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','tlaur...@gmail.com');>] >> *Sent:* October 26, 2017 9:01 AM >> *To:* John Marshall <rps...@gmail.com >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rps...@gmail.com');>> >> *Cc:* James <james2...@gmail.com >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','james2...@gmail.com');>>; Kent Jacobs < >> kent.jac...@gmail.com >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kent.jac...@gmail.com');>>; Talk-CA >> OpenStreetMap <talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','talk-ca@openstreetmap.org');>> >> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] Carleton University Mapathon >> >> >> >> I am glad I provided the *How NOT to do* template ;) >> >> Let me know when it is on and if I am free I will join! >> >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 6:38 AM, John Marshall <rps...@gmail.com >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rps...@gmail.com');>> wrote: >> >> I'm also available. >> >> >> >> John >> >> >> >> On Oct 26, 2017 06:17, "James" <james2...@gmail.com >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','james2...@gmail.com');>> wrote: >> >> Hey Kent, I'd be glad to help out :) >> >> >> >> On Oct 26, 2017 12:51 AM, "Kent Jacobs" <kent.jac...@gmail.com >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kent.jac...@gmail.com');>> wrote: >> >> Hello all! >> >> >> >> I am a Masters of Science student in the Geography department at Carleton >> University studying Quality Assessment of OSM data for my thesis. I am also >> currently employed at Employment and Social Development Canada as a >> Geomatics Technician where I have been promoting the use of OSM data within >> the department. >> >> >> >> I discussed the idea of a possible mapathon at Carleton University with >> Statistics Canada, the Carleton Geography department and Mapbox. I am >> reaching out (similar to Tim’s post above) to find additional OSM mappers >> to assist us with the mapathon. I am fairly experienced with OSM myself but >> I have never led a mapathon event. I am aware of COMS2200 issues with >> contributions and do not want a repeat of this. I believe focusing on >> the OSM Canada Task Manager and rural/remote regions will help avoid poor >> contributions. >> >> >> >> Any help is much appreciated! >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Kent >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Talk-ca mailing list >> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org');> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >> >> >> ___ >> Talk-ca mailing list >> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org');> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >> >> >> ___ >> Talk-ca mailing list >> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D
Re: [Talk-ca] Carleton University Mapathon
I am glad I provided the *How NOT to do* template ;) Let me know when it is on and if I am free I will join! On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 6:38 AM, John Marshall <rps...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm also available. > > John > > On Oct 26, 2017 06:17, "James" <james2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hey Kent, I'd be glad to help out :) >> >> On Oct 26, 2017 12:51 AM, "Kent Jacobs" <kent.jac...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hello all! >>> >>> >>> >>> I am a Masters of Science student in the Geography department at >>> Carleton University studying Quality Assessment of OSM data for my thesis. >>> I am also currently employed at Employment and Social Development Canada as >>> a Geomatics Technician where I have been promoting the use of OSM data >>> within the department. >>> >>> >>> >>> I discussed the idea of a possible mapathon at Carleton University with >>> Statistics Canada, the Carleton Geography department and Mapbox. I am >>> reaching out (similar to Tim’s post above) to find additional OSM mappers >>> to assist us with the mapathon. I am fairly experienced with OSM myself but >>> I have never led a mapathon event. I am aware of COMS2200 issues with >>> contributions and do not want a repeat of this. I believe focusing >>> on the OSM Canada Task Manager and rural/remote regions will help avoid >>> poor contributions. >>> >>> >>> >>> Any help is much appreciated! >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Kent >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Talk-ca mailing list >>> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >>> >>> >> ___ >> Talk-ca mailing list >> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >> >> > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > > -- *Tracey P. Lauriault* Assistant Professor Critical Media Studies and Big Data Communication Studies School of Journalism and Communication Suite 4110, River Building Carleton University 1125 Colonel By Drive Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6 1-613-520-2600 x7443 tracey.lauria...@carleton.ca @TraceyLauriault Skype: Tracey.P.Lauriault https://carleton.ca/sjc/people-archives/lauriault-tracey/ ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Building Canada 2020 OSMGeoWeek Mapathons
We learned quite a bit with the carleton assignment, I hope it does not affect my career as a professor., so far the students have been good sports. I wll be getting 150 2 page refections from them about this process which means we may all learn something from them to. I learned quite a bit as well and will hopefully debrief with Denis Carriere and the TA about our experience ans will happilily share that back with Julia and the rest of you. But one thing is for sure if we want to do university to community collaboration, and we want to experiment, teach and learn, flexibility is required and maybe sandbox practice spaces or testing space. Wikiedu does that see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiki_Ed/Carleton_University/COMS4407_Critical_Data_Studies_(Fall_2017) Was it a mistake? Our intentions were good! Did this process require a lot mediation and moderation? Yes! Would I conduct this assignment again? Well, not in the same way. Can we move forward together? I hope so! Stay tuned and I look forward to meeting some of yo face to face and appreciate all the feedback and thoughts so far. I think I will reframe the COMS2200 OSM exercise as the Carleton learning moment for us all, and look forward to moving forward with you. CHeerio T On Thursday, October 19, 2017, Julia C <juliacon...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Firstly, thank you all for your feedback. > > I understand the concerns about repeating what occurred at Carleton, but > our goal is to try our best to avoid this situation. So far the professors > I have connected with are well aquatinted with OSM and will be targeting > GIS students to participate. Some professors will even be grading their > students on their contributions, so hopefully this will incentivize > students to accurately contribute. Also, we are determining methods for > validating the data afterwards. > > John, I agree with your opinion on prioritizing importing the building > footprint datasets and then having participants add tags, but our focus for > the OSMGeoWeek mapathons would be to map areas that do not have existing > building footprint datasets to import. > > Matthew, I agree with you as well, having experts present at mapathons to > educate participants on the correct methods of mapping is valuable. With > this in mind, I will encourage universities to invite local OSM experts. If > anyone is interested in participating in a university mapathon as an expert > OSM contributor, please let me know and I can connect you to the university > that is located within your region. > > I hope you all understand that we want these mapathons to be as > constructive as possible, to educate students about OSM as well as to > contribute to the Building Canada 2020 project. > > Regards, > Julia > > On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Julia C <juliacon...@gmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','juliacon...@gmail.com');>> wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> I am currently working at Mapbox on the Data Team and previously worked >> at StatCan on the Crowdsourcing project. Mapbox is collaborating with >> StatCan to engage Canadian universities to participate in the Building >> Canada 2020 project >> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020> >> by >> hosting mapathons during OSMGeoWeek <http://osmgeoweek.org/> (November >> 12-18, 2017). >> >> We want to make sure we are accomplishing this in a way that encourages >> new Canadian mappers, while also ensuring participants are being educated >> properly about OSM and the community. >> >> The plan is to help educate Canadian universities about organizing >> mapathons through documentations like teachOSM <http://teachosm.org/en/> as >> well as to set up clear tasks for students to complete during the >> mapathons. We have started outlining the information on this wiki page >> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020/OSMGeoWeek2017> >> . >> >> On the Canada OSM Tasking Manager <http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/> there are >> already some tasks related to the Building Canada 2020 project. My plan is >> to add additional tasks for students to complete. The tasks will clearly >> outline what the students should map and where they should map. >> >> I would like to know if you have any suggestions on >> cities/towns/communities in Canada to focus on, particularly rural regions >> that are not mapped and have high resolution imagery. >> >> Regards, >> Julia >> > > -- *Tracey P. Lauriault* Assistant Professor Critical Media Studies and Big Data Communication Studies School of Journalism and Communication Suite 4
Re: [Talk-ca] COMS2200 Ottawa, Carleton University
Greetings OSM Ottawa and Data Working Group; It looks like all of the COMS2200A photos have been deleted from OSM Ottawa. Is that true? When I look at the map, it does look rather unpopulated with photos. Can you please confirm? Sincerely Tracey On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault <tlaur...@gmail.com> wrote: > Greetings OSM folks; > > I wonder if you could assist. > > Students are still getting locked out and are unable to complete their > assignment. Also, the message they are receiving see below states that you > were unable to locate me, which we know is not the case. > > It would be really great if we let the students finish their assignment > and that we discuss what to do with the messy data as discussed in earlier > parts of this stream. > > Any assistance would be most appreciated. > Sincerely > Tracey > > "Dear COMS2200A students, > > welcome to OSM and we're happy to see you engaging with our shared > database. > > A few of our community members have taken exception to some of the things > that you mapped and how you mapped them; many of your edits are not exactly > following the quality standards we have set for us in OSM which leads us to > believe that you may not have received the requisite training, especially > where you've made edits outside of the university district. > > Sadly we couldn't find out who the person responsible for this > class/course/ activity is. A few mappers have commented on edits that you > made, and pointed out errors or problems; this should have triggered > e-mails to the address used when registering but the messages seem to have > been ignored. > > Could you please inform your teacher/course leader to get in touch with > the Canadian community on the talk-ca mailing list ( > lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca) so that we can discuss how to > continue this exercise without degrading OSM's data quality? > > Please pause your editing activity until the matter is cleared up. > Thank you Frederik Ramm OSMF Data Working Group > > On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Tracey P. Lauriault <tlaur...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Thank you. >> Lets finish this assignment and then regroup to discuss whether or not >> this should be done again next year, and if so the best way to do it. >> >> The students will need to put together a small reflection piece on the >> process, that should help. We will have identified numerous issues and >> error types, and we will have learned something about students and the OSM >> community. >> >> I am travelling quite a bit this month, if I am here I will attend the >> next local. Please let me know when and where they are. >> >> Cheerio >> Tracey >> >> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 8:30 AM, James <james2...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I think some people are missing the point of the class by saying: Go map >>> an african village. >>> >>> The point was to have students go outside and take photos of real world >>> items(surveying) and upload them to mapillary >>> Then the students take the mapillary photo key and add it to the item in >>> OSM >>> They are supposed to learn about deriving information from >>> something(photo, text,etc) >>> >>> As I've said to Tracey, I welcome the project, maybe we will get some >>> new mappers out of it, but they are new mappers(we all started out new at >>> one point and we've made errors in the past) and if they can learn from the >>> feedback; all the better. >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 8:22 AM, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> This is primarily to Tracey ca-talk has been cced. >>>> >>>> There are a number of issues here. >>>> >>>> First OSM is growing up. No longer is it a bunch of mappers who use >>>> the edit tools or web page to view the map. The data is live and snapshots >>>> are taken by various players including OSMAND at points in time. This can >>>> be once a month so if there are a small number of mistakes not a big deal. >>>> If there are a large number in the snapshot then OSMAND users are stuck >>>> with them until the next off line map is made available. Because of >>>> bandwidth costs both to the end user and to OSMAND it can be two or three >>>> months before the errors are cleared. >>>> >>>> Second the email over Frederick's signature is extremely polite for >>>> Frederick. He wrote the book on OSM and is part of the group currently >&g
Re: [Talk-ca] COMS2200 Ottawa, Carleton University
Many students have said that their OSM points were deleted. Is there a way to hold off until this assignment is over? As noted in previous emails, I was hoping we could keep these entries until the end of the assignment so that we may assess them. This is the final week, we were to assess their contribution. Sincerely Tracey On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 8:54 PM, James <james2...@gmail.com> wrote: > no photos have been deleted as OSM doesnt support photos, only XML. > > There has been deduplication happening as people were adding 10+ of the > same bench/statue etc. So duplicate items might have been deleted, but > mapillary tag was transferred over. > > On Oct 17, 2017 8:51 PM, "Tracey P. Lauriault" <tlaur...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Greetings OSM Ottawa and Data Working Group; > > It looks like all of the COMS2200A photos have been deleted from OSM > Ottawa. Is that true? When I look at the map, it does look rather > unpopulated with photos. > Can you please confirm? > > Sincerely > Tracey > > > On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault <tlaur...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Greetings OSM folks; >> >> I wonder if you could assist. >> >> Students are still getting locked out and are unable to complete their >> assignment. Also, the message they are receiving see below states that you >> were unable to locate me, which we know is not the case. >> >> It would be really great if we let the students finish their assignment >> and that we discuss what to do with the messy data as discussed in earlier >> parts of this stream. >> >> Any assistance would be most appreciated. >> Sincerely >> Tracey >> >> "Dear COMS2200A students, >> >> welcome to OSM and we're happy to see you engaging with our shared >> database. >> >> A few of our community members have taken exception to some of the things >> that you mapped and how you mapped them; many of your edits are not exactly >> following the quality standards we have set for us in OSM which leads us to >> believe that you may not have received the requisite training, especially >> where you've made edits outside of the university district. >> >> Sadly we couldn't find out who the person responsible for this >> class/course/ activity is. A few mappers have commented on edits that you >> made, and pointed out errors or problems; this should have triggered >> e-mails to the address used when registering but the messages seem to have >> been ignored. >> >> Could you please inform your teacher/course leader to get in touch with >> the Canadian community on the talk-ca mailing list ( >> lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca) so that we can discuss how to >> continue this exercise without degrading OSM's data quality? >> >> Please pause your editing activity until the matter is cleared up. >> Thank you Frederik Ramm OSMF Data Working Group >> >> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Tracey P. Lauriault <tlaur...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Thank you. >>> Lets finish this assignment and then regroup to discuss whether or not >>> this should be done again next year, and if so the best way to do it. >>> >>> The students will need to put together a small reflection piece on the >>> process, that should help. We will have identified numerous issues and >>> error types, and we will have learned something about students and the OSM >>> community. >>> >>> I am travelling quite a bit this month, if I am here I will attend the >>> next local. Please let me know when and where they are. >>> >>> Cheerio >>> Tracey >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 8:30 AM, James <james2...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I think some people are missing the point of the class by saying: Go >>>> map an african village. >>>> >>>> The point was to have students go outside and take photos of real world >>>> items(surveying) and upload them to mapillary >>>> Then the students take the mapillary photo key and add it to the item >>>> in OSM >>>> They are supposed to learn about deriving information from >>>> something(photo, text,etc) >>>> >>>> As I've said to Tracey, I welcome the project, maybe we will get some >>>> new mappers out of it, but they are new mappers(we all started out new at >>>> one point and we've made errors in the past) and if they can learn from the >>>> feedback; all the better. >>>> >>>&g
Re: [Talk-ca] COMS2200 Ottawa, Carleton University
Greetings OSM folks; I wonder if you could assist. Students are still getting locked out and are unable to complete their assignment. Also, the message they are receiving see below states that you were unable to locate me, which we know is not the case. It would be really great if we let the students finish their assignment and that we discuss what to do with the messy data as discussed in earlier parts of this stream. Any assistance would be most appreciated. Sincerely Tracey "Dear COMS2200A students, welcome to OSM and we're happy to see you engaging with our shared database. A few of our community members have taken exception to some of the things that you mapped and how you mapped them; many of your edits are not exactly following the quality standards we have set for us in OSM which leads us to believe that you may not have received the requisite training, especially where you've made edits outside of the university district. Sadly we couldn't find out who the person responsible for this class/course/ activity is. A few mappers have commented on edits that you made, and pointed out errors or problems; this should have triggered e-mails to the address used when registering but the messages seem to have been ignored. Could you please inform your teacher/course leader to get in touch with the Canadian community on the talk-ca mailing list ( lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca) so that we can discuss how to continue this exercise without degrading OSM's data quality? Please pause your editing activity until the matter is cleared up. Thank you Frederik Ramm OSMF Data Working Group On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Tracey P. Lauriault <tlaur...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thank you. > Lets finish this assignment and then regroup to discuss whether or not > this should be done again next year, and if so the best way to do it. > > The students will need to put together a small reflection piece on the > process, that should help. We will have identified numerous issues and > error types, and we will have learned something about students and the OSM > community. > > I am travelling quite a bit this month, if I am here I will attend the > next local. Please let me know when and where they are. > > Cheerio > Tracey > > On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 8:30 AM, James <james2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I think some people are missing the point of the class by saying: Go map >> an african village. >> >> The point was to have students go outside and take photos of real world >> items(surveying) and upload them to mapillary >> Then the students take the mapillary photo key and add it to the item in >> OSM >> They are supposed to learn about deriving information from >> something(photo, text,etc) >> >> As I've said to Tracey, I welcome the project, maybe we will get some new >> mappers out of it, but they are new mappers(we all started out new at one >> point and we've made errors in the past) and if they can learn from the >> feedback; all the better. >> >> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 8:22 AM, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> This is primarily to Tracey ca-talk has been cced. >>> >>> There are a number of issues here. >>> >>> First OSM is growing up. No longer is it a bunch of mappers who use the >>> edit tools or web page to view the map. The data is live and snapshots are >>> taken by various players including OSMAND at points in time. This can be >>> once a month so if there are a small number of mistakes not a big deal. If >>> there are a large number in the snapshot then OSMAND users are stuck with >>> them until the next off line map is made available. Because of bandwidth >>> costs both to the end user and to OSMAND it can be two or three months >>> before the errors are cleared. >>> >>> Second the email over Frederick's signature is extremely polite for >>> Frederick. He wrote the book on OSM and is part of the group currently >>> looking at whether we need a formal policy for handling edits by groups of >>> organised mappers. The DWG working group is the highest central authority >>> within OSM and is concerned with data quality or vandalism. I think the >>> Carlton students edits show there is a very definite need. A number of >>> mappers including myself were hoping there wouldn't be a need for something >>> quite so formal. Note to Frederick if you read this change my response to >>> the survey. >>> >>> Third OpenStreetMap is very rich in what can be mapped. In an urban >>> area it can be very complex to map. For example currently there is a push >>> within OpenStreetM
Re: [Talk-ca] COMS2200 Ottawa, Carleton University
adding tags onto imported buildings was much simpler and much less error >> prone. >> >> I can probably make myself available to brief the students about >> OpenStreetMap unfortunately I have some domestic issues at the moment which >> rules out the next couple of days. Bug me if this would be of use. >> >> Cheerio John >> >> >> >> >> On 10 October 2017 at 23:08, Steve Singer <st...@ssinger.info> wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 10 Oct 2017, Tracey P. Lauriault wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Greetings OSM mappers; >>>> >>> >>> >>> For the benefit of background to others on the list >>> >>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/1560 >>> >>> Is an example of the block message that was sent to a bunch of users. >>> >>> (I wasn't involved in asking for or implementing the blocks or have >>> anything to do with the assignment). >>> >>> I haven't looked at the edits in any details but I will make a few >>> general comments >>> >>> 1. If one user comes into OSM and makes a few changes with issues >>> because of misunderstandings or inexperience fixing those changes isn't a >>> big deal. Most of the time someone will just fix them without saying >>> anything. However if 30 or 300 users make lots of changes in a short >>> amount of time with the same types of errors the volume present >>> challenges. Large scale edits by a bunch who are doing it as part of a >>> course, or who are employed by a company to make the changes, or who are >>> doing so as part of a coordinated humanitarian effort have the potential to >>> cause problems if they aren't coordinated carefully. >>> >>> >>> 2. A big part of working in any open-source project particularly with >>> OSM is that you need to communicate with the other contributors. >>> Communication is a two way street, some people are better at it then others >>> and it doesn't come naturally to everyone. I would hope that a course that >>> covered the contributing to open source projects (including open data >>> contributions) covered interacting with the community. If the course only >>> wanted to give students experience with the tools then editing against a >>> test or development instance of OSM would be better. >>> >>> The advise I would give to people new to the open source communities(and >>> at times remind veterans) is believe that most people who are contributing >>> are coming from a place of good intentions and to give them the benefit of >>> the doubt and try to understand where they are coming from. >>> >>> When contributing to an open sourced project you need to take >>> responsibility (as an individual) for your contributions but that doesn't >>> mean they need to be, or will be perfect. No edits are perfect but people >>> need to be willing to listen to and learn from feedback from other members >>> of the community. >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> I understand that students for COMS2200 have been blocked from posting >>>> to OSM. >>>> >>>> There was also an unfortunate email sent to Carleton University by one >>>> of your members that is circulating >>>> through the administration from (james2...@gmail.com). >>>> >>>> The data are being contributed as part of an assignment described here - >>>> https://github.com/TraceyLauriault/COMS2200A >>>> >>>> I understand that the students are making some small and some large >>>> mistakes that may not meet your OSM >>>> data quality standards. The students are restricted to only be mapping >>>> the Carleton University Campus. >>>> >>>> I wonder if it might be possible to unlock the restriction to let them >>>> finish the assignment. They should >>>> be done by next week. There are 150 students. Once the assignment is >>>> complete I would gladly work with you >>>> to salvage the data, delete some data, repair some data or wipe all of >>>> the data. >>>> >>>> We apologize for this inconvenience and hope that you can be empathetic >>>> and allow for the assignment to be >>>> completed so that the students can be assessed. >>>> >>>> Also, perhaps there are a number of common errors and if you id
[Talk-ca] COMS2200 Ottawa, Carleton University
Greetings OSM mappers; I understand that students for COMS2200 have been blocked from posting to OSM. There was also an unfortunate email sent to Carleton University by one of your members that is circulating through the administration from ( james2...@gmail.com). The data are being contributed as part of an assignment described here - https://github.com/TraceyLauriault/COMS2200A I understand that the students are making some small and some large mistakes that may not meet your OSM data quality standards. The students are restricted to only be mapping the Carleton University Campus. I wonder if it might be possible to unlock the restriction to let them finish the assignment. They should be done by next week. There are 150 students. Once the assignment is complete I would gladly work with you to salvage the data, delete some data, repair some data or wipe all of the data. We apologize for this inconvenience and hope that you can be empathetic and allow for the assignment to be completed so that the students can be assessed. Also, perhaps there are a number of common errors and if you identify them we may be able to fix them. Sincerely Tracey -- *Tracey P. Lauriault* Assistant Professor Critical Media Studies and Big Data Communication Studies School of Journalism and Communication Suite 4110, River Building Carleton University 1125 Colonel By Drive Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6 1-613-520-2600 x7443 tracey.lauria...@carleton.ca @TraceyLauriault Skype: Tracey.P.Lauriault https://carleton.ca/sjc/people-archives/lauriault-tracey/ ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
