Greetings OSM Ottawa and Data Working Group; It looks like all of the COMS2200A photos have been deleted from OSM Ottawa. Is that true? When I look at the map, it does look rather unpopulated with photos. Can you please confirm?
Sincerely Tracey On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault <tlaur...@gmail.com> wrote: > Greetings OSM folks; > > I wonder if you could assist. > > Students are still getting locked out and are unable to complete their > assignment. Also, the message they are receiving see below states that you > were unable to locate me, which we know is not the case. > > It would be really great if we let the students finish their assignment > and that we discuss what to do with the messy data as discussed in earlier > parts of this stream. > > Any assistance would be most appreciated. > Sincerely > Tracey > > "Dear COMS2200A students, > > welcome to OSM and we're happy to see you engaging with our shared > database. > > A few of our community members have taken exception to some of the things > that you mapped and how you mapped them; many of your edits are not exactly > following the quality standards we have set for us in OSM which leads us to > believe that you may not have received the requisite training, especially > where you've made edits outside of the university district. > > Sadly we couldn't find out who the person responsible for this > class/course/ activity is. A few mappers have commented on edits that you > made, and pointed out errors or problems; this should have triggered > e-mails to the address used when registering but the messages seem to have > been ignored. > > Could you please inform your teacher/course leader to get in touch with > the Canadian community on the talk-ca mailing list ( > lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca) so that we can discuss how to > continue this exercise without degrading OSM's data quality? > > Please pause your editing activity until the matter is cleared up. > Thank you Frederik Ramm OSMF Data Working Group > > On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Tracey P. Lauriault <tlaur...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Thank you. >> Lets finish this assignment and then regroup to discuss whether or not >> this should be done again next year, and if so the best way to do it. >> >> The students will need to put together a small reflection piece on the >> process, that should help. We will have identified numerous issues and >> error types, and we will have learned something about students and the OSM >> community. >> >> I am travelling quite a bit this month, if I am here I will attend the >> next local. Please let me know when and where they are. >> >> Cheerio >> Tracey >> >> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 8:30 AM, James <james2...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I think some people are missing the point of the class by saying: Go map >>> an african village. >>> >>> The point was to have students go outside and take photos of real world >>> items(surveying) and upload them to mapillary >>> Then the students take the mapillary photo key and add it to the item in >>> OSM >>> They are supposed to learn about deriving information from >>> something(photo, text,etc) >>> >>> As I've said to Tracey, I welcome the project, maybe we will get some >>> new mappers out of it, but they are new mappers(we all started out new at >>> one point and we've made errors in the past) and if they can learn from the >>> feedback; all the better. >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 8:22 AM, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> This is primarily to Tracey ca-talk has been cced. >>>> >>>> There are a number of issues here. >>>> >>>> First OSM is growing up. No longer is it a bunch of mappers who use >>>> the edit tools or web page to view the map. The data is live and snapshots >>>> are taken by various players including OSMAND at points in time. This can >>>> be once a month so if there are a small number of mistakes not a big deal. >>>> If there are a large number in the snapshot then OSMAND users are stuck >>>> with them until the next off line map is made available. Because of >>>> bandwidth costs both to the end user and to OSMAND it can be two or three >>>> months before the errors are cleared. >>>> >>>> Second the email over Frederick's signature is extremely polite for >>>> Frederick. He wrote the book on OSM and is part of the group currently >>>> looking at whether we need a formal policy for handling edits by groups of >>>> organised mappers. The DWG working group is the highest central authority >>>> within OSM and is concerned with data quality or vandalism. I think the >>>> Carlton students edits show there is a very definite need. A number of >>>> mappers including myself were hoping there wouldn't be a need for something >>>> quite so formal. Note to Frederick if you read this change my response to >>>> the survey. >>>> >>>> Third OpenStreetMap is very rich in what can be mapped. In an urban >>>> area it can be very complex to map. For example currently there is a push >>>> within OpenStreetMap to add more information for the disabled. >>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Disabilities but exactly how one >>>> adds tactile_paving = yes correctly is something I still have to work >>>> out. The City of Ottawa is currently adding tactile_paving at many >>>> road junctions and for blind people it is very useful as many junctions now >>>> have slopes rather than curb stones which makes it difficult to know where >>>> the edge of the sidewalk is for a blind person. >>>> >>>> In general I'd start students mapping either on a test server or on a >>>> HOT project but it would need thinking about which one to map. Adding >>>> information for the disabled would also work in that it adds value and is a >>>> small subset of mapping. The HOT projects have a validation process so the >>>> mapping can be verified and is used to large numbers of students mapping in >>>> a small area. Typically they restrict what is requested to be mapped. >>>> http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/2657 is an example but it would not be >>>> ideal for 150 mappers at once. I'd need to discuss with someone such as >>>> Pete Masters what would be ideal. It's armchair mapping but that reduces >>>> the number of variables. OSM can be edited in many ways. Unfortunately >>>> some which use smartphones and GPS are not especially accurate and near >>>> tall buildings they can be a hundred meters out. I assume >>>> http://learnosm.org/ was brought to the attention of the students? >>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features and taginfo. >>>> >>>> It's also interesting in the context of the Statistics Canada building >>>> project, data quality is important to Stats Canada and one reason I felt >>>> the original project was at risk of not being a success was the possibility >>>> that a large number of new mappers would be difficult to train. Just >>>> adding tags onto imported buildings was much simpler and much less error >>>> prone. >>>> >>>> I can probably make myself available to brief the students about >>>> OpenStreetMap unfortunately I have some domestic issues at the moment which >>>> rules out the next couple of days. Bug me if this would be of use. >>>> >>>> Cheerio John >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 10 October 2017 at 23:08, Steve Singer <st...@ssinger.info> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Tue, 10 Oct 2017, Tracey P. Lauriault wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Greetings OSM mappers; >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> For the benefit of background to others on the list >>>>> >>>>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/1560 >>>>> >>>>> Is an example of the block message that was sent to a bunch of users. >>>>> >>>>> (I wasn't involved in asking for or implementing the blocks or have >>>>> anything to do with the assignment). >>>>> >>>>> I haven't looked at the edits in any details but I will make a few >>>>> general comments >>>>> >>>>> 1. If one user comes into OSM and makes a few changes with issues >>>>> because of misunderstandings or inexperience fixing those changes isn't a >>>>> big deal. Most of the time someone will just fix them without saying >>>>> anything. However if 30 or 300 users make lots of changes in a short >>>>> amount of time with the same types of errors the volume present >>>>> challenges. Large scale edits by a bunch who are doing it as part of a >>>>> course, or who are employed by a company to make the changes, or who are >>>>> doing so as part of a coordinated humanitarian effort have the potential >>>>> to >>>>> cause problems if they aren't coordinated carefully. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2. A big part of working in any open-source project particularly with >>>>> OSM is that you need to communicate with the other contributors. >>>>> Communication is a two way street, some people are better at it then >>>>> others >>>>> and it doesn't come naturally to everyone. I would hope that a course >>>>> that >>>>> covered the contributing to open source projects (including open data >>>>> contributions) covered interacting with the community. If the course only >>>>> wanted to give students experience with the tools then editing against a >>>>> test or development instance of OSM would be better. >>>>> >>>>> The advise I would give to people new to the open source >>>>> communities(and at times remind veterans) is believe that most people who >>>>> are contributing are coming from a place of good intentions and to give >>>>> them the benefit of the doubt and try to understand where they are coming >>>>> from. >>>>> >>>>> When contributing to an open sourced project you need to take >>>>> responsibility (as an individual) for your contributions but that doesn't >>>>> mean they need to be, or will be perfect. No edits are perfect but people >>>>> need to be willing to listen to and learn from feedback from other members >>>>> of the community. >>>>> >>>>> Steve >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I understand that students for COMS2200 have been blocked from >>>>>> posting to OSM. >>>>>> >>>>>> There was also an unfortunate email sent to Carleton University by >>>>>> one of your members that is circulating >>>>>> through the administration from (james2...@gmail.com). >>>>>> >>>>>> The data are being contributed as part of an assignment described >>>>>> here - >>>>>> https://github.com/TraceyLauriault/COMS2200A >>>>>> >>>>>> I understand that the students are making some small and some large >>>>>> mistakes that may not meet your OSM >>>>>> data quality standards. The students are restricted to only be >>>>>> mapping the Carleton University Campus. >>>>>> >>>>>> I wonder if it might be possible to unlock the restriction to let >>>>>> them finish the assignment. They should >>>>>> be done by next week. There are 150 students. Once the assignment is >>>>>> complete I would gladly work with you >>>>>> to salvage the data, delete some data, repair some data or wipe all >>>>>> of the data. >>>>>> >>>>>> We apologize for this inconvenience and hope that you can be >>>>>> empathetic and allow for the assignment to be >>>>>> completed so that the students can be assessed. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, perhaps there are a number of common errors and if you identify >>>>>> them we may be able to fix them. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sincerely >>>>>> Tracey >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tracey P. Lauriault >>>>>> >>>>>> Assistant Professor Critical Media Studies and Big Data >>>>>> Communication Studies >>>>>> School of Journalism and Communication >>>>>> Suite 4110, River Building >>>>>> Carleton University >>>>>> 1125 Colonel By Drive >>>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1125+Colonel+By+Drive+%0D+Ottawa+(ON)+K1S+5B6&entry=gmail&source=g> >>>>>> Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6 >>>>>> 1-613-520-2600 x7443 >>>>>> tracey.lauria...@carleton.ca >>>>>> @TraceyLauriault >>>>>> Skype: Tracey.P.Lauriault >>>>>> https://carleton.ca/sjc/people-archives/lauriault-tracey/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Talk-ca mailing list >>>>> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Talk-ca mailing list >>>> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> 外に遊びに行こう! >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> *Tracey P. Lauriault* >> >> Assistant Professor >> Critical Media Studies and Big Data >> Communication Studies >> School of Journalism and Communication >> Suite 4110, River Building >> Carleton University >> 1125 Colonel By Drive >> Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6 >> >> 1-613-520-2600 x7443 <(613)%20520-2600> >> tracey.lauria...@carleton.ca >> @TraceyLauriault >> Skype: Tracey.P.Lauriault >> https://carleton.ca/sjc/people-archives/lauriault-tracey/ >> > > > > -- > *Tracey P. Lauriault* > > Assistant Professor > Critical Media Studies and Big Data > Communication Studies > School of Journalism and Communication > Suite 4110, River Building > Carleton University > 1125 Colonel By Drive > Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6 > > 1-613-520-2600 x7443 <(613)%20520-2600> > tracey.lauria...@carleton.ca > @TraceyLauriault > Skype: Tracey.P.Lauriault > https://carleton.ca/sjc/people-archives/lauriault-tracey/ > -- *Tracey P. Lauriault* Assistant Professor Critical Media Studies and Big Data Communication Studies School of Journalism and Communication Suite 4110, River Building Carleton University 1125 Colonel By Drive Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6 1-613-520-2600 x7443 tracey.lauria...@carleton.ca @TraceyLauriault Skype: Tracey.P.Lauriault https://carleton.ca/sjc/people-archives/lauriault-tracey/
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