Re: [OSM-talk] Appropriate attribution to OSM in a mobile app

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2017-03-20 11:58 GMT+01:00 Christoph Hormann :

> There is a continuum of possibilities between flashing the attribution
> in tiny letters at the bottom for half a second during startup and
> having it displayed in big letters all the time.
>


yes, and likely not all of these are OK.



>
> Quite often the situation is simple because other credits (like for the
> app creator or advertisements of any kind) are shown more prominently -
> this is not all right obviously.
>


OK.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Appropriate attribution to OSM in a mobile app

[James]

OSMAnd doesnt even have an attribution on map. There are multiple reference
to OSM/OSM editing in settings, but thats about it.

I'm aware it has "OSM" in the name, but still doesnt resolve the
attribution...

On Mar 20, 2017 7:01 AM, "Christoph Hormann"  wrote:

> On Monday 20 March 2017, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> >
> > In a real world example, I have found an app which does credit OSM at
> > the bottom of the first screen (relatively tiny, I'd say same size as
> > is done in apps who provide constant attribution), but it vanishes as
> > soon as you move the map (i.e. almost instantly because you always
> > move the map). Also this attribution doesn't link or mention the ODbL
> > in any way.
> >
> > The other way to see OSM attribution is after clicking on settings,
> > then on about and then on "legal" (i.e. it is very hidden). The map
> > is the main feature of this app (its a tourist map guide).
>
> The ODbL is fairly clear on that in principle
>
> "You must include a notice associated with the Produced Work reasonably
> calculated to make any Person that uses, views, accesses, interacts
> with, or is otherwise exposed to the Produced Work aware that Content
> was obtained from the Database"
>
> There is a continuum of possibilities between flashing the attribution
> in tiny letters at the bottom for half a second during startup and
> having it displayed in big letters all the time.
>
> Quite often the situation is simple because other credits (like for the
> app creator or advertisements of any kind) are shown more prominently -
> this is not all right obviously.
>
> In most apps there are other good possibilities to make the user aware
> of OSM as a data source - like during other activities than plain map
> browsing - than an always on message on the map display.  Of course
> many app developers do not look for a good way to do this but just look
> for the least generous way to avoid getting sued.
>
> --
> Christoph Hormann
> http://www.imagico.de/
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Re: [OSM-talk] Appropriate attribution to OSM in a mobile app

[Christoph Hormann]

On Monday 20 March 2017, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>
> In a real world example, I have found an app which does credit OSM at
> the bottom of the first screen (relatively tiny, I'd say same size as
> is done in apps who provide constant attribution), but it vanishes as
> soon as you move the map (i.e. almost instantly because you always
> move the map). Also this attribution doesn't link or mention the ODbL
> in any way.
>
> The other way to see OSM attribution is after clicking on settings,
> then on about and then on "legal" (i.e. it is very hidden). The map
> is the main feature of this app (its a tourist map guide).

The ODbL is fairly clear on that in principle

"You must include a notice associated with the Produced Work reasonably 
calculated to make any Person that uses, views, accesses, interacts 
with, or is otherwise exposed to the Produced Work aware that Content 
was obtained from the Database"

There is a continuum of possibilities between flashing the attribution 
in tiny letters at the bottom for half a second during startup and 
having it displayed in big letters all the time.

Quite often the situation is simple because other credits (like for the 
app creator or advertisements of any kind) are shown more prominently - 
this is not all right obviously.  

In most apps there are other good possibilities to make the user aware 
of OSM as a data source - like during other activities than plain map 
browsing - than an always on message on the map display.  Of course 
many app developers do not look for a good way to do this but just look 
for the least generous way to avoid getting sued.

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[OSM-talk] Appropriate attribution to OSM in a mobile app

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

I wonder what appropriate attribution for a mobile app must look like. I do
know that there are some hints about this in the FAQ

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ#3a._I_would_like_to_use_
OpenStreetMap_maps._How_should_I_credit_you.3F

which states:

--

*Where to put it*

This credit needs to appear in a place reasonable to the medium you are
utilising. In other words, you should expect to credit OpenStreetMap in the
same way and with the same prominence as would be expected by any other map
supplier. Therefore:

   - For a *browsable electronic map* (e.g. embedded in a web page or
   mobile phone application), the credit should appear in the corner of the
   map, as commonly seen with map APIs/libraries such as Google Maps.
   - For a *printed map*, the credit should appear beside the map if that
   is where other such credits appear, and/or in the "acknowledgements"
   section of the publication (often at the start of a book or magazine).

If you are producing library code that offers OpenStreetMap data or tiles,
you should make sure library users are aware of these terms. We strongly
recommend that you display this credit by default when your library is
used.
--



In a real world example, I have found an app which does credit OSM at the
bottom of the first screen (relatively tiny, I'd say same size as is done
in apps who provide constant attribution), but it vanishes as soon as you
move the map (i.e. almost instantly because you always move the map). Also
this attribution doesn't link or mention the ODbL in any way.

The other way to see OSM attribution is after clicking on settings, then on
about and then on "legal" (i.e. it is very hidden). The map is the main
feature of this app (its a tourist map guide).

What is your stance? I had written to the publisher and their answer was:
"Sorry I didn't see your first email. When you open the app, we also
directly provide contribution at the bottom until you move the map. See
screenshot below."

Shall I insisist or accept their way of doing it?

Cheers,
Martin
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