Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings - a website
When I expound on why I'm so passionate about contributing towards OpenStreetMap is this is one of the reasons: 1/ Consider that you've moved into a new area and need to know * which pharmacy is open the latest * where the nearest health care centre is * the quickest route that isn't obstructed by current road works * list of doctors 2/ And it would be handy to have: * a list of bbs and other such accommodation that really are in the area you've moved too - google maps will get this wrong (and does) for data in ireland (at least) due to lazy parsing off address data. I've seen hotels that are 20-30 miles away listed and shown with those 'pin point' markers as being inside the environs of nenagh due to their postal address being too detailed/inaccurate. * being able to print off maps for people coming visiting instead of telling them directions that you just know they won't remember. 3/ also... something like this could also be used to symbiotically drive websites like ratemyFOO.com - where FOO is dentist/mechanic/whatever. for existing businesses pull the co-ords out of OSM and store the ratings elsewhere. for new ones, enter the co-ords into OSM... ;-) k. On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 1:06 AM, Joseph Reeves iknowjos...@gmail.comwrote: I prefer though that the data shouldn't be directly added to the database especially for well-mapped areas. Some POIs do not appear in the map (mapnik or osmarender). But then you're just mapping for the renderers - omitting data because two of current representations of the database as provided by osm.org don't show everything the database includes. What about if someone was to produce a new renderer from current OSM data? Of course, renderers are only the start - if the OSM database contained enough information about local businesses somebody could start a project involving OSM, Asterisk and some text - speech software that would allow you to phone a number and get a list of the nearest bicycle shops to your current location that were open at the time. Or the nearest car repair shop that was approved by your insurance company, or... We shouldn't limit ourselves by what could be drawn on a map, especially if we limit that even further by what is currently drawn on two examples. Cheers, Joseph 2009/7/30 maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com: This is really useful and would love this simple service to be implemented. I prefer though that the data shouldn't be directly added to the database especially for well-mapped areas. Some POIs do not appear in the map (mapnik or osmarender). A volunteer mapper can subscribe to a boundingbox and edit them before upload. I always prefer a human rather than some yellowpages.bot.script. On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 5:05 AM, OJ Wojwli...@googlemail.com wrote: Sorry for breaking the thread, but I did a mockup of a website that people could use to enter their own businesses into OSM: http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/SmallAds/http://dev.openstreetmap.org/%7Eojw/SmallAds/ so any user of this website can* create up to 5 OSM nodes, label them as amenity=whatever, and enter a description, a phone number, and a website. the idea would be: this is pitched at small business owners who've never heard of OSM, and only buy advertising on yellow pages because someone knocked at their door and sold it to them. It should take less than 10 minutes to setup, for someone who only once per month uses the computer their grandson bought them, and should be simple enough that you can guide someone though it over the phone. Additionally, it should be easy for self-employed salesmen to go around their home towns selling this service to every business, taking some fixed price to enter the shop's details into OSM, print a map for them, and give them an img for their website. We can't reach everybody to help in OSM, but if someone sees a business in creating free data then maybe they can help us. * I've done an basic webapp mockup, but could someone help with coding the creation of OSM objects? It's neanderthal PHP at the moment, but you can port it to rails or cake or J2EEmanagementEdition if you prefer. Ideas welcome regards, OJW ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk --
[OSM-talk] Business listings - a website
Sorry for breaking the thread, but I did a mockup of a website that people could use to enter their own businesses into OSM: http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/SmallAds/ so any user of this website can* create up to 5 OSM nodes, label them as amenity=whatever, and enter a description, a phone number, and a website. the idea would be: this is pitched at small business owners who've never heard of OSM, and only buy advertising on yellow pages because someone knocked at their door and sold it to them. It should take less than 10 minutes to setup, for someone who only once per month uses the computer their grandson bought them, and should be simple enough that you can guide someone though it over the phone. Additionally, it should be easy for self-employed salesmen to go around their home towns selling this service to every business, taking some fixed price to enter the shop's details into OSM, print a map for them, and give them an img for their website. We can't reach everybody to help in OSM, but if someone sees a business in creating free data then maybe they can help us. * I've done an basic webapp mockup, but could someone help with coding the creation of OSM objects? It's neanderthal PHP at the moment, but you can port it to rails or cake or J2EEmanagementEdition if you prefer. Ideas welcome regards, OJW ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings - a website
I prefer though that the data shouldn't be directly added to the database especially for well-mapped areas. Some POIs do not appear in the map (mapnik or osmarender). But then you're just mapping for the renderers - omitting data because two of current representations of the database as provided by osm.org don't show everything the database includes. What about if someone was to produce a new renderer from current OSM data? Of course, renderers are only the start - if the OSM database contained enough information about local businesses somebody could start a project involving OSM, Asterisk and some text - speech software that would allow you to phone a number and get a list of the nearest bicycle shops to your current location that were open at the time. Or the nearest car repair shop that was approved by your insurance company, or... We shouldn't limit ourselves by what could be drawn on a map, especially if we limit that even further by what is currently drawn on two examples. Cheers, Joseph 2009/7/30 maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com: This is really useful and would love this simple service to be implemented. I prefer though that the data shouldn't be directly added to the database especially for well-mapped areas. Some POIs do not appear in the map (mapnik or osmarender). A volunteer mapper can subscribe to a boundingbox and edit them before upload. I always prefer a human rather than some yellowpages.bot.script. On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 5:05 AM, OJ Wojwli...@googlemail.com wrote: Sorry for breaking the thread, but I did a mockup of a website that people could use to enter their own businesses into OSM: http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/SmallAds/ so any user of this website can* create up to 5 OSM nodes, label them as amenity=whatever, and enter a description, a phone number, and a website. the idea would be: this is pitched at small business owners who've never heard of OSM, and only buy advertising on yellow pages because someone knocked at their door and sold it to them. It should take less than 10 minutes to setup, for someone who only once per month uses the computer their grandson bought them, and should be simple enough that you can guide someone though it over the phone. Additionally, it should be easy for self-employed salesmen to go around their home towns selling this service to every business, taking some fixed price to enter the shop's details into OSM, print a map for them, and give them an img for their website. We can't reach everybody to help in OSM, but if someone sees a business in creating free data then maybe they can help us. * I've done an basic webapp mockup, but could someone help with coding the creation of OSM objects? It's neanderthal PHP at the moment, but you can port it to rails or cake or J2EEmanagementEdition if you prefer. Ideas welcome regards, OJW ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings - a website
What I'm saying is, when a new user (using this interface) sees the map they would assume that the POI/business establishment are not yet in the map. They would then add the info knowing it's not yet there. I like the simplicity of ojw's mockup. We don't need to overcomplicate it at the moment. On 7/30/09, Joseph Reeves iknowjos...@gmail.com wrote: I prefer though that the data shouldn't be directly added to the database especially for well-mapped areas. Some POIs do not appear in the map (mapnik or osmarender). But then you're just mapping for the renderers - omitting data because two of current representations of the database as provided by osm.org don't show everything the database includes. What about if someone was to produce a new renderer from current OSM data? Of course, renderers are only the start - if the OSM database contained enough information about local businesses somebody could start a project involving OSM, Asterisk and some text - speech software that would allow you to phone a number and get a list of the nearest bicycle shops to your current location that were open at the time. Or the nearest car repair shop that was approved by your insurance company, or... We shouldn't limit ourselves by what could be drawn on a map, especially if we limit that even further by what is currently drawn on two examples. Cheers, Joseph 2009/7/30 maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com: This is really useful and would love this simple service to be implemented. I prefer though that the data shouldn't be directly added to the database especially for well-mapped areas. Some POIs do not appear in the map (mapnik or osmarender). A volunteer mapper can subscribe to a boundingbox and edit them before upload. I always prefer a human rather than some yellowpages.bot.script. On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 5:05 AM, OJ Wojwli...@googlemail.com wrote: Sorry for breaking the thread, but I did a mockup of a website that people could use to enter their own businesses into OSM: http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/SmallAds/ so any user of this website can* create up to 5 OSM nodes, label them as amenity=whatever, and enter a description, a phone number, and a website. the idea would be: this is pitched at small business owners who've never heard of OSM, and only buy advertising on yellow pages because someone knocked at their door and sold it to them. It should take less than 10 minutes to setup, for someone who only once per month uses the computer their grandson bought them, and should be simple enough that you can guide someone though it over the phone. Additionally, it should be easy for self-employed salesmen to go around their home towns selling this service to every business, taking some fixed price to enter the shop's details into OSM, print a map for them, and give them an img for their website. We can't reach everybody to help in OSM, but if someone sees a business in creating free data then maybe they can help us. * I've done an basic webapp mockup, but could someone help with coding the creation of OSM objects? It's neanderthal PHP at the moment, but you can port it to rails or cake or J2EEmanagementEdition if you prefer. Ideas welcome regards, OJW ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
