Re: [OSM-talk] Demo editing to OSM data
Contact some local existing contributors before hand. If you let them know what they're doing, they can be understanding when they suddenly see lots of new users adding to the area. They may even be able to come in and help with the demo if you invite them. Almost all mappers are friendly, and will happily message new users if they see something odd, and perhaps fix it themselves. What has caused upset in the past is when local users are not informed of a class. It's confusing to see more than 5 users spring up at once making beginner edits that need to fix. I know someone who was quite upset with the fixing time they spent, but would have been more than happy to do it if they knew to expect it that week. Get the students to write down their username once they've created an account. You could then send the list to the local mappers you have been communicating with, or check the edits yourself. Students don't need to give their real name next to their OSM username. They can be contacted through the OSM message system if there is something they didn't understand. It could even be fun to say user X was the best in the class, and then wait and see who admits to being user X! Please share your experiences. Any lessons you learnt would be good to share at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Education On 1 November 2011 23:08, Martijn van Exel wrote: > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Richard Weait wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: > > [ ... ] > >> Potential problem with taking their own neighborhoods is that many > >> students typically live in the same neighborhoods (on campus for > >> example) which may cause conflicts when saving edits. > > > > Quite true. I don't know anything about the students the OP > > describes, but if they are college / university students then they'll > > have their school neighbourhoods with lots of overlap. They'll also > > have their home-neighbourhoods from across the state, country or > > world. That strikes me as an opportunity for new mappers in many > > places with less overlap and risk of conflict. > > > > Anybody want to start OSM local groups at the Big Ten universities? > > Can you imagine the swarms of mappers as they graduate and take jobs > > around the country? > > > > I'm on PAC-12 duty already, plugging: http://www.meetup.com/osmslug/ > Organize an OSM event on GIS day! > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Geography_awareness_week > > -- > martijn van exel > geospatial omnivore > 1109 1st ave #2 > salt lake city, ut 84103 > 801-550-5815 > http://oegeo.wordpress.com > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- Gregory o...@livingwithdragons.com http://www.livingwithdragons.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Demo editing to OSM data
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Richard Weait wrote: > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: > [ ... ] >> Potential problem with taking their own neighborhoods is that many >> students typically live in the same neighborhoods (on campus for >> example) which may cause conflicts when saving edits. > > Quite true. I don't know anything about the students the OP > describes, but if they are college / university students then they'll > have their school neighbourhoods with lots of overlap. They'll also > have their home-neighbourhoods from across the state, country or > world. That strikes me as an opportunity for new mappers in many > places with less overlap and risk of conflict. > > Anybody want to start OSM local groups at the Big Ten universities? > Can you imagine the swarms of mappers as they graduate and take jobs > around the country? > I'm on PAC-12 duty already, plugging: http://www.meetup.com/osmslug/ Organize an OSM event on GIS day! https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Geography_awareness_week -- martijn van exel geospatial omnivore 1109 1st ave #2 salt lake city, ut 84103 801-550-5815 http://oegeo.wordpress.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Demo editing to OSM data
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: [ ... ] > Potential problem with taking their own neighborhoods is that many > students typically live in the same neighborhoods (on campus for > example) which may cause conflicts when saving edits. Quite true. I don't know anything about the students the OP describes, but if they are college / university students then they'll have their school neighbourhoods with lots of overlap. They'll also have their home-neighbourhoods from across the state, country or world. That strikes me as an opportunity for new mappers in many places with less overlap and risk of conflict. Anybody want to start OSM local groups at the Big Ten universities? Can you imagine the swarms of mappers as they graduate and take jobs around the country? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Demo editing to OSM data
Richard, all, On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Richard Weait wrote: [...] > Inform the new users that they are editing a real map, made > cooperatively by many real people. Demonstrate to them a real survey > that leads to a real edit. This takes research to find a real, > non-trivial edit like adding the new pizza shop in your neighbourhood. > > Then have them look at places they know best (their own > neighbourhoods) for real and non-trivial edits that they can make from > local knowledge. Have them look for likely places that they can > survey to improve the map. Help them to make their first edits by > answering their questions while you are all together. Potential problem with taking their own neighborhoods is that many students typically live in the same neighborhoods (on campus for example) which may cause conflicts when saving edits. Also, it may be frustrating for beginners if they find their own neighborhood already very densely mapped and being unable to come up with useful contributions. We experienced mappers will always find something to map (trees, toilets) but beginners tend to look for streets and pois first, because that's what they see on maps. > Be sure to provide the references they need to find additional help, > the wiki Map Features page, the talk-list, the help site, etc. And also the new flossmanuals resource. Better still, order a bunch of hardcopies and distrubute / lend! -- martijn van exel geospatial omnivore 1109 1st ave #2 salt lake city, ut 84103 801-550-5815 http://oegeo.wordpress.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Demo editing to OSM data
2011/11/1 Martijn van Exel : > I'm also a proponent of live editing for teaching. +1 > If you're concerned > about ruining contributors' work, try and find an area / some areas > with relatively little community activity, but still ample possibility > for improvements, for students to start with. The opposite is also true: edit where there is a lot of community activity so vandalism will be spotted soon and errors will get corrected ;-) cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Demo editing to OSM data
I'm also a proponent of live editing for teaching. If you're concerned about ruining contributors' work, try and find an area / some areas with relatively little community activity, but still ample possibility for improvements, for students to start with. On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Peter Mooney wrote: > Hi Kate, > > Thanks for the reply. > My idea is that the students would take the skills from the workshops > and then start contributing to OSM. > > I suppose I have two reasons (just personal ones) for not allowing > editing the real map in the workshop. > > 1. Don't want to cause errors/deletions etc on the hard > work/contributions of other OSM community members - am concerned about > what state the map would be left in if there were lots of mistakes > generated. > 2. Would feel more comfortable with a sandbox - with the idea of > graduating on to helping these people contribute to OSM for real. > > Do you feel it would be OK to edit the live map? > > Can you point me to any materials available? I would greatly appreciate that. > > Thanks again in advance, > > Peter > > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 7:49 PM, Kate Chapman wrote: >> Hi Peter, >> >> Why wouldn't you just teach them how to edit to add real information? >> I can't speak for the whole community, but I think that is the best >> way to teach them. There are workshops held all over the world where >> people immediately make edits to OpenStreetMap. >> >> If you need help with materials, there are many out there to get people >> started. >> >> Best, >> >> -Kate >> >> On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Peter Mooney wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I am doing some teaching in a few weeks time on Neogeography. I intend >>> to show the students the workings of OpenStreetMap and in particular >>> how to contribute data and edit/update existing features. >>> >>> I am aware that http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/ exists for testing. >>> >>> My question is: >>> >>> What is the most community-acceptable way to allow people to "test >>> out" editing in OSM (via Potlatch) which harming the data in the live >>> database? Under no circumstances will editing of the live database >>> take place in the workshops. >>> >>> Is there an alternative to setting up my own local OSM server? >>> >>> Best wishes and thanks in advance, >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> ___ >>> talk mailing list >>> talk@openstreetmap.org >>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >>> >> > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- martijn van exel geospatial omnivore 1109 1st ave #2 salt lake city, ut 84103 801-550-5815 http://oegeo.wordpress.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Demo editing to OSM data
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Peter Mooney wrote: > Hi Kate, > > Thanks for the reply. > My idea is that the students would take the skills from the workshops > and then start contributing to OSM. > > I suppose I have two reasons (just personal ones) for not allowing > editing the real map in the workshop. > > 1. Don't want to cause errors/deletions etc on the hard > work/contributions of other OSM community members - am concerned about > what state the map would be left in if there were lots of mistakes > generated. > 2. Would feel more comfortable with a sandbox - with the idea of > graduating on to helping these people contribute to OSM for real. > > Do you feel it would be OK to edit the live map? Dear Peter, I appreciate your concern and suggest the following as an alternative. Inform the new users that they are editing a real map, made cooperatively by many real people. Demonstrate to them a real survey that leads to a real edit. This takes research to find a real, non-trivial edit like adding the new pizza shop in your neighbourhood. Then have them look at places they know best (their own neighbourhoods) for real and non-trivial edits that they can make from local knowledge. Have them look for likely places that they can survey to improve the map. Help them to make their first edits by answering their questions while you are all together. Be sure to provide the references they need to find additional help, the wiki Map Features page, the talk-list, the help site, etc. Best regards, Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Demo editing to OSM data
Hi Kate, Thanks for the reply. My idea is that the students would take the skills from the workshops and then start contributing to OSM. I suppose I have two reasons (just personal ones) for not allowing editing the real map in the workshop. 1. Don't want to cause errors/deletions etc on the hard work/contributions of other OSM community members - am concerned about what state the map would be left in if there were lots of mistakes generated. 2. Would feel more comfortable with a sandbox - with the idea of graduating on to helping these people contribute to OSM for real. Do you feel it would be OK to edit the live map? Can you point me to any materials available? I would greatly appreciate that. Thanks again in advance, Peter On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 7:49 PM, Kate Chapman wrote: > Hi Peter, > > Why wouldn't you just teach them how to edit to add real information? > I can't speak for the whole community, but I think that is the best > way to teach them. There are workshops held all over the world where > people immediately make edits to OpenStreetMap. > > If you need help with materials, there are many out there to get people > started. > > Best, > > -Kate > > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Peter Mooney wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I am doing some teaching in a few weeks time on Neogeography. I intend >> to show the students the workings of OpenStreetMap and in particular >> how to contribute data and edit/update existing features. >> >> I am aware that http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/ exists for testing. >> >> My question is: >> >> What is the most community-acceptable way to allow people to "test >> out" editing in OSM (via Potlatch) which harming the data in the live >> database? Under no circumstances will editing of the live database >> take place in the workshops. >> >> Is there an alternative to setting up my own local OSM server? >> >> Best wishes and thanks in advance, >> >> Peter >> >> ___ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Demo editing to OSM data
Am 01.11.2011 20:49, schrieb Kate Chapman: Hi Peter, Why wouldn't you just teach them how to edit to add real information? I can't speak for the whole community, but I think that is the best way to teach them. There are workshops held all over the world where people immediately make edits to OpenStreetMap. +1 Was exactly my thoughts. I had contact to a lot of teachers (so more difficult little new contributors) and there wasn't any kind of vandalism or so on. Of course there were mistakes, but come on all of us did mistakes, at the very first edits :) bye Matthias (user:!i!) On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Peter Mooney wrote: Hi, I am doing some teaching in a few weeks time on Neogeography. I intend to show the students the workings of OpenStreetMap and in particular how to contribute data and edit/update existing features. I am aware that http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/ exists for testing. My question is: What is the most community-acceptable way to allow people to "test out" editing in OSM (via Potlatch) which harming the data in the live database? Under no circumstances will editing of the live database take place in the workshops. Is there an alternative to setting up my own local OSM server? Best wishes and thanks in advance, Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Demo editing to OSM data
Hi Peter, Why wouldn't you just teach them how to edit to add real information? I can't speak for the whole community, but I think that is the best way to teach them. There are workshops held all over the world where people immediately make edits to OpenStreetMap. If you need help with materials, there are many out there to get people started. Best, -Kate On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Peter Mooney wrote: > Hi, > > I am doing some teaching in a few weeks time on Neogeography. I intend > to show the students the workings of OpenStreetMap and in particular > how to contribute data and edit/update existing features. > > I am aware that http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/ exists for testing. > > My question is: > > What is the most community-acceptable way to allow people to "test > out" editing in OSM (via Potlatch) which harming the data in the live > database? Under no circumstances will editing of the live database > take place in the workshops. > > Is there an alternative to setting up my own local OSM server? > > Best wishes and thanks in advance, > > Peter > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Demo editing to OSM data
Hi, I am doing some teaching in a few weeks time on Neogeography. I intend to show the students the workings of OpenStreetMap and in particular how to contribute data and edit/update existing features. I am aware that http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/ exists for testing. My question is: What is the most community-acceptable way to allow people to "test out" editing in OSM (via Potlatch) which harming the data in the live database? Under no circumstances will editing of the live database take place in the workshops. Is there an alternative to setting up my own local OSM server? Best wishes and thanks in advance, Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
