Re: [OSM-talk] Examine nodes in new osm.org design fail
Hi! Ian Dees wrote Thanks for sharing your opinion, but please refrain from posting sarcastic and overly dramatic stories like this. This message is not an appropriate way to communicate with the community. Well, just take it as an indication that some changes can inspire emotional responses in the unsuspecting user who encounters them. :-) Ian Dees wrote If you want to have a discussion about the website, please stick to the facts and don't use unsubstantiated words like royal pain, what was wrong with the old way, major regression, or disaster. Admittedly, those words may be overly dramatic, but they are also very descriptive of the overall effect. Re-reading the other posts I noted that the same problem has already been mentioned several times - but a harder to read does not really describe the experience of trying to find a clue in 60 pages of multiply word wrapped texts that used to be simple one liners. You may also note the other post which characterizes the history as unusable mess. To stick to the facts: - The old history page was far from perfect, but it did allow analysis of the tag history and was well integrated in the object lookup - The narrow and elongated presentation in the new design is unsuitable for the amount of data involved with older, non-trivial objects - the function used to be essential for tag debugging - it is being missed The best fix would be simply restoring the old feature as it has no dependency whatsoever to the main map. Another fix would be a rework including a button to use the whole screen for viewing the data or linking to the real, usable history viewer and moving the history button itself to the top of the object view where it can actually be seen. Current alternatives seem to be using JOSM or alternative web tools which are more cumbersome as they are not integrated. Or hacking the OSM page with a greasemonkey script or the stylish FF plugin. I personally cannot fathom what may have inspired the current history. I am somewhat ashamed about the message obviously unusable tools on the main page might advertise about the practical approach of OSM. bye, Nop -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Examine-nodes-in-new-osm-org-design-fail-tp5789081p5789224.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Examine nodes in new osm.org design fail
Hi! I just tried to examine the history of a well tagged node (273510436) with the new design for the first time. I was just trying to find out the reason for some weird naming. I was really shocked to see that all the tag information is squeezed in into the narrow sidebar now while most of the screen is covered by the huge map - which is utterly useless for analyzing tags and history. The information for the present state of the node is very hard to read in that narrow table with plenty of unnecessary line wraps. Looking for the history (Chronik in German) I first clicked on the button labelled Chronik conveniently located just above the data. Which of course kicked me out of it altogether as this is the Changeset list, just waiting to be misunderstood. The real history is hidden at the very bottom of the lng table. Finding it didn't make me any happier. To look at the squeezed history you need to scroll down more than 60 pages! (yes, sixty pages). Finding and reading stuff is hard, comparing and analyzing things is a royal pain. I did not find any way to get rid of the map or extend the sidebar for a proper and comprehensible look at the data. What was wrong with the old node/tag/history pages? The at least gave you more than half the width of the screen to examine the data you are interested in. I don't like the new design, but does not make much sense to argue over something which is mostly a matter of taste. But this is a major regression in usability. But the current presentation of the histories is a disaster. It might look nice for very short tag lists, but it is totally unusable for any serious work or analysis. It desperately needs a way to extend the sidebar to full screen - or just a way to bring back the old pages. bye, Nop -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Examine-nodes-in-new-osm-org-design-fail-tp5789081.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Examine nodes in new osm.org design fail
NopMap, Thanks for sharing your opinion, but please refrain from posting sarcastic and overly dramatic stories like this. This message is not an appropriate way to communicate with the community. If you have bug reports or feature requests, please file them on Trac [0] or Github [1]. If you want to have a discussion about the website, please stick to the facts and don't use unsubstantiated words like royal pain, what was wrong with the old way, major regression, or disaster. Posting friendly, helpful, and constructive messages will make everyone on the list feel interested in participating. Thanks, Ian [0] https://trac.openstreetmap.org/newticket?component=website [1] https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/new -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Examine-nodes-in-new-osm-org-design-fail-tp5789081p5789104.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
