Re: [OSM-talk] Fixing common possible Tagging Mistakes

2014-08-11 Thread Pieren
On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 8:21 PM, Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de wrote:

 Also feel free to add the code to other pages or remove/discuss it if you
 think it doesn't fit somewhere.

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Tagging_Mistakes

I don't think the wiki is the right place to highlight tagging
mistakes. These errors are coming from history or some obsolete
presets. We have plenty of tools showing directly on the map where
common mistakes are (keepright, osmose, etc). Feel free to ask
enhancements for these tools instead of writing some static sections
in the wiki. Potentially, all tag pages may contain such mistake
sections.

Pieren

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Re: [OSM-talk] Fixing common possible Tagging Mistakes

2014-08-11 Thread Dave F.



We have plenty of tools showing directly on the map where
common mistakes are (keepright, osmose, etc).


That osmose site looks good (even better than keepright?). Shame it does 
extend to the UK at the moment.


Dave F.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Fixing common possible Tagging Mistakes

2014-08-11 Thread Marc Gemis
This is mainly a problem of capacity. During the SOTM EU 2014, the
maintainers/developers of the site asked the different communities for
servers to extend the area that is covered.

regards

m


On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote:


  We have plenty of tools showing directly on the map where
 common mistakes are (keepright, osmose, etc).


 That osmose site looks good (even better than keepright?). Shame it does
 extend to the UK at the moment.

 Dave F.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Fixing common possible Tagging Mistakes

2014-08-11 Thread Frédéric Rodrigo
Le 11/08/2014 11:52, Pieren a écrit : On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 8:21 PM, 
Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de wrote:


 Also feel free to add the code to other pages or remove/discuss it 
if you

 think it doesn't fit somewhere.

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Tagging_Mistakes

 I don't think the wiki is the right place to highlight tagging
 mistakes. These errors are coming from history or some obsolete
 presets. We have plenty of tools showing directly on the map where
 common mistakes are (keepright, osmose, etc). Feel free to ask
 enhancements for these tools instead of writing some static sections
 in the wiki. Potentially, all tag pages may contain such mistake
 sections.

You can add this kind of simple detection problem to Osmose QA just by 
adding it on this wiki page :


http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:FrViPofm/TagwatchCleaner


Le 11/08/2014 13:18, Marc Gemis a écrit :

This is mainly a problem of capacity. During the SOTM EU 2014, the
maintainers/developers of the site asked the different communities for
servers to extend the area that is covered.

On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com
mailto:dave...@madasafish.com wrote:

That osmose site looks good (even better than keepright?). Shame it
does extend to the UK at the moment.


Yes. It's the main problem for global coverage. We aim local 
community/chapter provide some resources to analyses local data. On this 
last spring/summer we have improved coverage with new servers around the 
world. I will make an announcement soon about all this news. Btw, we 
have now a coverage map as well :


http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/#zoom=2lat=0lon=0layer=Mapnikoverlays=FTFF
(after this, for back to errors display, switch layers)

Large countries (in data) need lot of CPU time.

Frédéric.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Fixing common possible Tagging Mistakes

2014-08-11 Thread SomeoneElse

On 11/08/2014 13:00, Frédéric Rodrigo wrote:



You can add this kind of simple detection problem to Osmose QA just by 
adding it on this wiki page :


http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:FrViPofm/TagwatchCleaner



In the case of things that aren't simple typos that you think might be 
mistakes, you really ought to try and contact the original mapper 
rather than just removing tags that you don't understand (1).  It may be 
that you don't understand the concept that the original mapper was 
trying to capture, or that they need to document something better, but 
talking rather than remote editing really ought to be the first step.


Cheers,

Andy


(1) http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/291469081/history


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Re: [OSM-talk] Fixing common possible Tagging Mistakes

2014-08-11 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2014-08-11 at 14:00 +0200, Frédéric Rodrigo wrote:
 Le 11/08/2014 11:52, Pieren a écrit : On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 8:21 PM, 
 Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de wrote:
  
   Also feel free to add the code to other pages or remove/discuss it 
 if you
   think it doesn't fit somewhere.
  
   http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Tagging_Mistakes
  
   I don't think the wiki is the right place to highlight tagging
   mistakes. These errors are coming from history or some obsolete
   presets. We have plenty of tools showing directly on the map where
   common mistakes are (keepright, osmose, etc). Feel free to ask
   enhancements for these tools instead of writing some static sections
   in the wiki. Potentially, all tag pages may contain such mistake
   sections.
 
 You can add this kind of simple detection problem to Osmose QA just by 
 adding it on this wiki page :
 
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:FrViPofm/TagwatchCleaner
 
 
I think a lot of those are dangerous and could remove the meaning
intended by the original mapper, shop=fishing  shop=fish. In my mind
one sells fishing rods and the other fresh fish to take home and cook.

Shop=lingerie is a type in itself, changing it to shop=clothes,
clothes=woman will loose intended meaning.

Phil (trigpoint)


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Re: [OSM-talk] Fixing common possible Tagging Mistakes

2014-08-11 Thread Frédéric Rodrigo
Le 11/08/2014 14:30, SomeoneElse a écrit : On 11/08/2014 13:00, 
Frédéric Rodrigo wrote:

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:FrViPofm/TagwatchCleaner

 In the case of things that aren't simple typos that you think might
 be mistakes, you really ought to try and contact the original mapper
 rather than just removing tags that you don't understand (1).  It may
 be that you don't understand the concept that the original mapper was
 trying to capture, or that they need to document something better,
 but talking rather than remote editing really ought to be the first
 step.


Le 11/08/2014 14:50, Philip Barnes a écrit :

I think a lot of those are dangerous and could remove the meaning
intended by the original mapper, shop=fishing  shop=fish. In my mind
one sells fishing rods and the other fresh fish to take home and cook.

Shop=lingerie is a type in itself, changing it to shop=clothes,
clothes=woman will loose intended meaning.


It's not automatic correction. Message are displayed to contributor. 
More over, it's a wiki page, it can be improved.


Regards.
Frédéric.


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[OSM-talk] Fixing common possible Tagging Mistakes

2014-08-03 Thread Andreas Goss
I have been trying to document all the common tags for keys like 
amenity, shop, craft etc. in the Wiki using TagInfo. In the process I 
found several low usage tags that might have other matching well 
established tags. I put a small section with a Taginfo box and Overpass 
API link on those pages allowing mappers to find these tags in their 
area to fix them with local knowledge as some Tags might indeed be 
valid. Now I also added a category to them to make it easier to find all 
such tags in one's area!


Would be great if everybody could take a look in his/her region and 
maybe clean up some outdated tags!


Also feel free to add the code to other pages or remove/discuss it if 
you think it doesn't fit somewhere.


http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Tagging_Mistakes

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