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From: Peter Miller
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 22:04:57 +
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] It's all too fast...
To: Frederik Ramm
Even now we are getting no explanations from the foundation to our
questions. Either this is because they dont know or it is because they
dont think they need to contribute. I understand that most directors
have not been in the loop so cant contribute. The only person we know
has been in the loop is steve. Does he have answers i wonder? If not
then no one knows and we are really in trouble. Many of the key issues
are on the wiki already and we need a response to them now. Peter
On 3/3/09, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Andy Allan wrote:
>> We've been talking about the ODbL for a lng time now, way more
>> than 18 months. It's not completely new. The previous draft was dated
>> April 2008. If you're new to the discussions, then welcome, but don't
>> make like the ODbL has never been seen before and that we're trying to
>> do everything in 1 month.
>
> The previous draft was published in April 2008 and there was virtually
> no two-way communication with those who worked on it. We gathered on
> legal-talk, we asked questions, we put up use cases, and most of them
> were not seriously discussed by *anyone* from the license working group;
> we had no feedback from *any* of the lawyers involved, and no interim
> versions of the license. Even the OSMF board did not know anything until
> some time in January. If you look at the legal-talk archives it may look
> like there were people talking about the license but the truth is that
> there was virtually no overlap between those who worked on the license
> (and talked to lawyers) and those who discussed on the list. It is fair
> to say that there has been next to zero community involvement in
> producing the 0.9 draft.
>
> Now we have a new draft, where certain things have changed. Nobody
> involved with creating the draft has wasted *one* *single* *minute* to
> explain which changes have been made and why. The legal counsel's
> response to our "use cases" on the Wiki is thin, to say the very least.
> Many things that could be clarified within minutes in a proper dialogue
> have been drawn out to last months - for example, if the legal counsel
> did not understand something about our use cases, it would have been
> trivial for me or anyone else on the list to explain; instead we now
> read "I would need someone to talk me through this". Words that probably
> have been sitting in that document for two months before we even saw it,
> and words that will sit there for another two months before someone
> finds the time to talk them through it and get a response.
>
> The recently quoted discussion on odc-discuss about share-alike
> extending to interim derived databases (something we all took for
> granted) seems to show that there are either major intentional
> differences between the April 08 draft and the just released 0.9, or
> that serious oversight was involved in preparing 0.9.
>
> The fact that the new license is to be hosted by a body known as Open
> Data Commons is at most 2 months old (because the December board meeting
> still said "hosting options unknown, OSMF may need to host"); given that
> whoever is hosting the license has far-ranging powers over the license,
> this is not something to tick off lightly.
>
> I'm all in favour of ODbL but I currently cannot by the life of me see a
> way how it could ever be put in force along the timeline published.
>
> Bye
> Frederik
>
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