Re: [OSM-talk] Help me build an OSM Community Index

[Javier Sánchez Portero]

I like this idea. It will be useful, particularly if there are mapping
projects published in the place page.

Greetings, Javier

El mié., 18 abr. 2018 6:13, Johannes Singler 
escribió:

> Hi,
>
> I think this is a great idea for community building.
>
> BTW what about having similar functionality *during* editing?  For
> example showing a link to the OSM wiki page of the currently edited area?
> Such pages often tell what to pay special attention to in a certain
> area, but IMHO they would deserve more visits (which could be improved
> by showing such links).
>
> Johannes
>
> Am 31.03.2018 um 14:25 schrieb Bryan Housel:
> > I’ve started building an index of OSM community resources here:
> > https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index
> >
> > "Resources" can be links to forums, meetups, Slack groups, Facebook
> > groups, mailing lists, and so on. Anything that mappers, especially
> > beginners, might find interesting or helpful.
> >
> > *Why?*
> >
> > Currently when you save an edit in iD, you will see a screen prompting
> > you to share your edit on Facebook, Twitter, Google+.  But we’d prefer
> > instead to use this screen to let the user know more about the community
> > around where they are editing.
> >
> > See https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/4815  for discussion and
> > some mockups.
> >
> > While the initial use of this index will be primarily to support this iD
> > feature that will be released soon, I’d love to see other applications
> > that have a community focus use the index as well.  For example, if you
> > are reviewing an edit in OSMCha, and you see something that looks like
> > vandalism or an undiscussed import and you want to ask someone in the
> > local community to take a look, this index could tell you how to reach
> > out to somebody local.
> >
> >
> > *What about { existing lists / the OSM wiki }?*
> >
> > I did look at existing community lists, and there are several, but most
> > of those lists do not support adding a bounding polygon around a
> > community.  Several of them do let you place a single pin where the
> > community is, but I was looking for something that would let me draw
> > complex bounding areas, and filter to only show communities active
> > around in the area where a user is editing.
> >
> > We already have a successful project for sharing imagery sources that
> > editors can use (see https://github.com/osmlab/editor-layer-index ) so
> I
> > decided to create something very similar.
> >
> >
> > *How can I help?*
> >
> > Glad you asked!
> > 1.  Go to https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index/  and watch or
> > star the project. ⭐️
> >
> > 2.  Read the README and CONTRIBUTING documents.  These contain info
> > about which files need to be added:
> >
> >   * Each resource needs a `.json` file to describe it, and
> >   * a `.geojson` file to describe where the region where it is active.
> >   (multiple resources can share a .geojson file)
> >
> >
> > 3.  Either add the files with a Pull Request, or open an issue for
> > somebody else to add the files.
> >
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Bryan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [OSM-talk] Help me build an OSM Community Index

[Johannes Singler]

Hi,

I think this is a great idea for community building.

BTW what about having similar functionality *during* editing?  For 
example showing a link to the OSM wiki page of the currently edited area?
Such pages often tell what to pay special attention to in a certain 
area, but IMHO they would deserve more visits (which could be improved 
by showing such links).


Johannes

Am 31.03.2018 um 14:25 schrieb Bryan Housel:

I’ve started building an index of OSM community resources here:
https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index

"Resources" can be links to forums, meetups, Slack groups, Facebook 
groups, mailing lists, and so on. Anything that mappers, especially 
beginners, might find interesting or helpful.


*Why?*

Currently when you save an edit in iD, you will see a screen prompting 
you to share your edit on Facebook, Twitter, Google+.  But we’d prefer 
instead to use this screen to let the user know more about the community 
around where they are editing.


See https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/4815  for discussion and 
some mockups.


While the initial use of this index will be primarily to support this iD 
feature that will be released soon, I’d love to see other applications 
that have a community focus use the index as well.  For example, if you 
are reviewing an edit in OSMCha, and you see something that looks like 
vandalism or an undiscussed import and you want to ask someone in the 
local community to take a look, this index could tell you how to reach 
out to somebody local.



*What about { existing lists / the OSM wiki }?*

I did look at existing community lists, and there are several, but most 
of those lists do not support adding a bounding polygon around a 
community.  Several of them do let you place a single pin where the 
community is, but I was looking for something that would let me draw 
complex bounding areas, and filter to only show communities active 
around in the area where a user is editing.


We already have a successful project for sharing imagery sources that 
editors can use (see https://github.com/osmlab/editor-layer-index ) so I 
decided to create something very similar.



*How can I help?*

Glad you asked!
1.  Go to https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index/  and watch or 
star the project. ⭐️


2.  Read the README and CONTRIBUTING documents.  These contain info 
about which files need to be added:


  * Each resource needs a `.json` file to describe it, and
  * a `.geojson` file to describe where the region where it is active.
  (multiple resources can share a .geojson file)


3.  Either add the files with a Pull Request, or open an issue for 
somebody else to add the files.



Thanks!
Bryan






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Re: [OSM-talk] Help me build an OSM Community Index

[Bryan Housel]

Yep, to echo what Clifford said - we don’t need to get the exact boundaries 
perfect.  As long as a person editing around this area sees that there is 
something nearby, I am happy.  

Because the project is really just a bunch of .geojson files, we can be 
flexible and update as often as needed.
For comparison, here are the current Pacific Northwest community boundaries:

Vancouver:  
https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index/blob/master/features/north-america/canada/vancouver_metro.geojson
 

Mt Vernon:  
https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index/blob/master/features/north-america/us/mt_vernon_wa.geojson
 

Seattle:  
https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index/blob/master/features/north-america/us/seattle.geojson
 


> On Apr 4, 2018, at 11:58 AM, Clifford Snow  wrote:
> 
> Paul,
> For this application having a well defined region isn't a big issue. To me 
> it's more of "if you are interested, here is a  nearby OSM group(s)." I think 
> as we learn how users react to the feature, we can find ways to improve it.  
> To that end, I gave Metro Vancouver as an area to github issue. It probably 
> should extend out more than just the metro relation but I felt it was a good 
> start.
> 
> Clifford
> 
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 2:50 AM, Paul Norman  > wrote:
> On 3/31/2018 5:25 AM, Bryan Housel wrote:
> a `.geojson` file to describe where the region where it is active.  (multiple 
> resources can share a .geojson file)
> 
> I'm having trouble figuring out what a sensible region is for the meetups in 
> Vancouver and the Pacific Northwest.
> 
> Our meetups are along the coast, but I don't believe there are any other 
> meetups for a few hundred km as you go inland. Closer to home, I'd consider 
> Chilliwack part of our region in many ways, but it's 100km from there to our 
> normal meeting place. This makes it too far to suggest, because it's a 90+ 
> minute drive. Where would I cut it off?
> 
> Going up and down the coast, we have a different problem. Vancouver, 
> South-Central Salish Sea, and Seattle all share a meetup organization, and 
> have overlap in members. The boundaries here are fuzzy.
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Help me build an OSM Community Index

[Clifford Snow]

Paul,
For this application having a well defined region isn't a big issue. To me
it's more of "if you are interested, here is a  nearby OSM group(s)." I
think as we learn how users react to the feature, we can find ways to
improve it.  To that end, I gave Metro Vancouver as an area to github
issue. It probably should extend out more than just the metro relation but
I felt it was a good start.

Clifford

On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 2:50 AM, Paul Norman  wrote:

> On 3/31/2018 5:25 AM, Bryan Housel wrote:
>
>> a `.geojson` file to describe where the region where it is active.
>>  (multiple resources can share a .geojson file)
>>
>
> I'm having trouble figuring out what a sensible region is for the meetups
> in Vancouver and the Pacific Northwest.
>
> Our meetups are along the coast, but I don't believe there are any other
> meetups for a few hundred km as you go inland. Closer to home, I'd consider
> Chilliwack part of our region in many ways, but it's 100km from there to
> our normal meeting place. This makes it too far to suggest, because it's a
> 90+ minute drive. Where would I cut it off?
>
> Going up and down the coast, we have a different problem. Vancouver,
> South-Central Salish Sea, and Seattle all share a meetup organization, and
> have overlap in members. The boundaries here are fuzzy.
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Help me build an OSM Community Index

[Paul Norman]

On 3/31/2018 5:25 AM, Bryan Housel wrote:
a `.geojson` file to describe where the region where it is active. 
 (multiple resources can share a .geojson file)


I'm having trouble figuring out what a sensible region is for the 
meetups in Vancouver and the Pacific Northwest.


Our meetups are along the coast, but I don't believe there are any other 
meetups for a few hundred km as you go inland. Closer to home, I'd 
consider Chilliwack part of our region in many ways, but it's 100km from 
there to our normal meeting place. This makes it too far to suggest, 
because it's a 90+ minute drive. Where would I cut it off?


Going up and down the coast, we have a different problem. Vancouver, 
South-Central Salish Sea, and Seattle all share a meetup organization, 
and have overlap in members. The boundaries here are fuzzy.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Help me build an OSM Community Index

[Bryan Housel]

Thanks for the feedback Andy!
The community index project will surely evolve as we learn what kinds of things 
are helpful for both end users and community organizers.  The goal is for users 
who are just getting started with editing to realize that they are part of 
something larger.

This represents a deliberate shift in focus from self-centered language we 
currently use in iD “Share your edit on Facebook/Twitter” to more 
community-centric language like “There are people around where you edited that 
care about what you are doing - say hi on Reddit or stop by this month's 
Meetup”.  It would not surprise me if the locations of OSM with the highest 
quality are also the parts of OSM with the strongest community and best 
attended meetups.

One thing I can do right now to make the osm-community-index project less 
confusing is to say exactly what we are currently collecting.  This list has 
grown a few times in the last week, and I need to move it up front as the first 
thing people see.

type - (required) Type of community resource. The following types are supported:
"discourse"
"facebook"
"forum" - For example, on forum.openstreetmap.org
"group" - Generic catchall for anything with a url (such as a local OSM chapter 
page)
"irc" - url should be a clickable web join link, server details can go in 
description
"mailinglist" - url should be a link to the listinfo page, e.g. 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
"meetup"
"reddit"
"slack" - url should link to the Slack itself, and signupUrl can link to an 
inviter service (see example above)
"telegram"
"twitter"


So you asked how you can help!  Please collect any of the above things and add 
them to GitHub tickets 🙏
In your email you mentioned some osm wiki pages that contain a lot of meetup 
links - I’d do those first...

Thanks, Bryan




> On Apr 2, 2018, at 12:45 PM, Andy Townsend  wrote:
> 
> On 31/03/18 13:25, Bryan Housel wrote:
>> I’ve started building an index of OSM community resources here:
>> https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index 
>> 
>> 
>> "Resources" can be links to forums, meetups, Slack groups, Facebook groups, 
>> mailing lists, and so on. Anything that mappers, especially beginners, might 
>> find interesting or helpful.
>> 
>> 
> 
> I think that's an excellent idea - quite often I'd like to recommend 
> something to a mapper in a country that I'm not familiar with, and it can be 
> difficult to do that if you're unfamiliar with the local community (and 
> especially if they're using non-open communication channels that can be less 
> easy to "just drop in on").
> 
> However I'm a bit confused about what sort of contributions you want - 
> https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index/issues/new 
>  loads a template 
> that seems to be looking for something in Markdown format (one per resource) 
> with a geojson file (I think - it's really not clear).  I'd be happy to 
> provide information that you could use to create the content you want, but 
> I've no idea how to provide what the site seems to be asking for (and I 
> suspect I won't be alone in that).
> 
> For example, for GB I'd suggest:
> 
> o That international resources such as the help site and the wiki are likely 
> to be the first best point of contact
> 
> o That the most commonly used local resource is probably the talk-gb mailing 
> list https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb 
>  (but note that the part of 
> the UK that is on the island of Ireland is best served by 
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie 
> ), and there's also 
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-scotland 
>  and other regional 
> lists.
> 
> o That there's usually someone able to respond to "ad hoc" questions in 
> #osm-gb on IRC (but I'd link to that via http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/IRC 
>  as other international channels may be 
> relevant too).
> 
> o There are regular meetups in at least London 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/London#Upcoming_Events 
>  , 
> Scotland,https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Edinburgh#Social_Events 
>  , West Midlands 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia#Meetings 
> , and East 
> Midlandshttps://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nottingham/Pub_Meetup 
>  .
> 
> o There's a "loomio" site (accessible from 
> https://osmuk.org/pinned/join-the-conversation/ 
> ) associated with the OSMF 
> chapter in the UK https://osmuk.org/ 

Re: [OSM-talk] Help me build an OSM Community Index

[Andy Townsend]

On 31/03/18 13:25, Bryan Housel wrote:

I’ve started building an index of OSM community resources here:
https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index

"Resources" can be links to forums, meetups, Slack groups, Facebook 
groups, mailing lists, and so on. Anything that mappers, especially 
beginners, might find interesting or helpful.





I think that's an excellent idea - quite often I'd like to recommend 
something to a mapper in a country that I'm not familiar with, and it 
can be difficult to do that if you're unfamiliar with the local 
community (and especially if they're using non-open communication 
channels that can be less easy to "just drop in on").


However I'm a bit confused about what sort of contributions you want - 
https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index/issues/new loads a 
template that seems to be looking for something in Markdown format (one 
per resource) with a geojson file (I think - it's really not clear).  
I'd be happy to provide information that you could use to create the 
content you want, but I've no idea how to provide what the site seems to 
be asking for (and I suspect I won't be alone in that).


For example, for GB I'd suggest:

o That international resources such as the help site and the wiki are 
likely to be the first best point of contact


o That the most commonly used local resource is probably the talk-gb 
mailing list https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb (but note 
that the part of the UK that is on the island of Ireland is best served 
by https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie), and there's also 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-scotland and other 
regional lists.


o That there's usually someone able to respond to "ad hoc" questions in 
#osm-gb on IRC (but I'd link to that via http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/IRC as 
other international channels may be relevant too).


o There are regular meetups in at least London 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/London#Upcoming_Events , Scotland, 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Edinburgh#Social_Events , West 
Midlands https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia#Meetings, and 
East Midlands https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nottingham/Pub_Meetup .


o There's a "loomio" site (accessible from 
https://osmuk.org/pinned/join-the-conversation/) associated with the 
OSMF chapter in the UK https://osmuk.org/ , although that is very low 
volume right now (though that may change, of course).


There are also I'm sure a bunch of twitter accounts associated with 
individuals and groups - but I'd hesitate to try and sort the wheat from 
the chaff there.  I'm sure I'll have missed stuff too (and another 
person's list of resources might differ from my subjective list.


Is that sort of information useful?

Best Regards,

Andy

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[OSM-talk] Help me build an OSM Community Index

[Bryan Housel]

I’ve started building an index of OSM community resources here:
https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index 


"Resources" can be links to forums, meetups, Slack groups, Facebook groups, 
mailing lists, and so on. Anything that mappers, especially beginners, might 
find interesting or helpful.

Why?

Currently when you save an edit in iD, you will see a screen prompting you to 
share your edit on Facebook, Twitter, Google+.  But we’d prefer instead to use 
this screen to let the user know more about the community around where they are 
editing.  

See  https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/4815 
  for discussion and some 
mockups.

While the initial use of this index will be primarily to support this iD 
feature that will be released soon, I’d love to see other applications that 
have a community focus use the index as well.  For example, if you are 
reviewing an edit in OSMCha, and you see something that looks like vandalism or 
an undiscussed import and you want to ask someone in the local community to 
take a look, this index could tell you how to reach out to somebody local.


What about { existing lists / the OSM wiki }?

I did look at existing community lists, and there are several, but most of 
those lists do not support adding a bounding polygon around a community.  
Several of them do let you place a single pin where the community is, but I was 
looking for something that would let me draw complex bounding areas, and filter 
to only show communities active around in the area where a user is editing.  

We already have a successful project for sharing imagery sources that editors 
can use (see https://github.com/osmlab/editor-layer-index 
 ) so I decided to create 
something very similar.


How can I help?

Glad you asked!  
1.  Go to https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index/ 
  and watch or star the 
project. ⭐️

2.  Read the README and CONTRIBUTING documents.  These contain info about which 
files need to be added:
Each resource needs a `.json` file to describe it, and 
a `.geojson` file to describe where the region where it is active.  (multiple 
resources can share a .geojson file)

3.  Either add the files with a Pull Request, or open an issue for somebody 
else to add the files. 


Thanks!
Bryan




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