Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM Tile Cache
Wikor, Thanks for your reply, and for working on the development of JOSM. It is an amazing editor! The information you provided prompted me to learn more about HTTP. I will install wireshark tonight and do some more testing, but I suspect it is the lack of something like "cache-control: no-cache" in the HTTP header in the JOSM request for new tiles after the local cache has been emptied. Perhaps adding that would be mixing functionality that shouldn't be mixed. If so, perhaps a new option on the "right click imagery" menu could be added called "force reload" or "refresh server cache.". I will update the ticket with these thoughts and what I learn tonight. Mike On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 4:02 AM, Wiktor Niesiobedzki wrote: > Mike, > > From your description it looks more like caching on the server side than > on your computer. You can verify that by using different browsers or > computers. > > Hitting force reload in browser may generate new tile on the server and > there is no such functionality in JOSM right now. > > What can be implemented would be to avoid using server caches when you > right-click and choose to reload the tiles. > > As I'm digging in that area currently, I'll look into this. > > Cheers, > > Wiktor > > > On Tuesday, April 28, 2015, Mike Thompson wrote: > >> Paul, >> >> I tested version 8287. I can go ahead and submit a bug report, but wanted >> to let you know the results directly. It seems that refreshed Mapnik tiles >> will only show up after they show up in a browser window open to >> www.openstreetmap.org. Let me explain. I make a change with JOSM, >> upload it and then, with Mapnik as the imagery layer, right click on the >> image and click "Flush Tile Cache." The screen flickers, but the tiles >> appear the same. I repeat the "Flush Tile Cache" several times over the >> next few minutes with the same result. I go to the browser (Chrome >> 42.0.2311.90 >> m) window open to www.openstreetmap.org the same area and zoom level, >> and hit F5. Updated tiles are displayed. I then return to JOSM, "Flush Tile >> Cache" and then the updated tiles are displayed in JOSM as well. To >> attempt to prove that it isn't just coincidence, I have repeated the whole >> test a number of times with the same results. Is it possible that JOSM >> uses the same tile cache as Chrome (but is unable to flush it directly)? >> >> MIke >> >> On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 8:26 AM, Mike Thompson >> wrote: >> >>> Paul, >>> >>> Thanks for your reply and for the information. I test with the >>> development version. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Paul Hartmann >>> wrote: >>> Hi Mike, There has been a major rework of the TMS cache back end in version 8168-8186. If you can still reproduce this problem with the current development build or with the upcoming release, then please don't hesitate to report it directly on the JOSM bug tracker! Paul On 23.04.2015 22:58, Mike Thompson wrote: > I am using JOSM version 8109 on Windows 7. > > I would like to flush JOSM's "OpenStreetMap (Mapnik)" tile cache. With > the > "OpenStreetMap (Mapnik) layer displayed, I right clicked on the map, > and > then clicked on "Flush Tile Cache", but I still see outdated tiles > (when > compared to the openstreetmap.org website - I made sure both were on > the > same zoom level). I also tried, in conjunction with the above, > removing and > re-adding the "OpenStreetMap (Mapnik)" layer, as well as restarting > JOSM. > > Finally I tried renaming the "OpenStreetMap (Mapnik)" folder in the > following location: C:\Users\\AppData\Local\JOSM\cache\tms > (this is the location the "imagery.tms.tilecache preference is set > to). > Only after doing this were the tiles updated. > > Does the "Flush Tile Cache" work? I saw a bug report[1] about something > like this, but it was closed four years ago as "fixed." If it is > working, > am I using it correctly? > > > Thanks, > > Mike > > [1] https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/6109 > > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >>> >>> >> ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM Tile Cache
Mike, >From your description it looks more like caching on the server side than on your computer. You can verify that by using different browsers or computers. Hitting force reload in browser may generate new tile on the server and there is no such functionality in JOSM right now. What can be implemented would be to avoid using server caches when you right-click and choose to reload the tiles. As I'm digging in that area currently, I'll look into this. Cheers, Wiktor On Tuesday, April 28, 2015, Mike Thompson wrote: > Paul, > > I tested version 8287. I can go ahead and submit a bug report, but wanted > to let you know the results directly. It seems that refreshed Mapnik tiles > will only show up after they show up in a browser window open to > www.openstreetmap.org. Let me explain. I make a change with JOSM, > upload it and then, with Mapnik as the imagery layer, right click on the > image and click "Flush Tile Cache." The screen flickers, but the tiles > appear the same. I repeat the "Flush Tile Cache" several times over the > next few minutes with the same result. I go to the browser (Chrome > 42.0.2311.90 > m) window open to www.openstreetmap.org the same area and zoom level, and > hit F5. Updated tiles are displayed. I then return to JOSM, "Flush Tile > Cache" and then the updated tiles are displayed in JOSM as well. To > attempt to prove that it isn't just coincidence, I have repeated the whole > test a number of times with the same results. Is it possible that JOSM > uses the same tile cache as Chrome (but is unable to flush it directly)? > > MIke > > On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 8:26 AM, Mike Thompson > wrote: > >> Paul, >> >> Thanks for your reply and for the information. I test with the >> development version. >> >> Mike >> >> On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Paul Hartmann > > wrote: >> >>> Hi Mike, >>> >>> There has been a major rework of the TMS cache back end in version >>> 8168-8186. If you can still reproduce this problem with the current >>> development build or with the upcoming release, then please don't hesitate >>> to report it directly on the JOSM bug tracker! >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> >>> On 23.04.2015 22:58, Mike Thompson wrote: >>> I am using JOSM version 8109 on Windows 7. I would like to flush JOSM's "OpenStreetMap (Mapnik)" tile cache. With the "OpenStreetMap (Mapnik) layer displayed, I right clicked on the map, and then clicked on "Flush Tile Cache", but I still see outdated tiles (when compared to the openstreetmap.org website - I made sure both were on the same zoom level). I also tried, in conjunction with the above, removing and re-adding the "OpenStreetMap (Mapnik)" layer, as well as restarting JOSM. Finally I tried renaming the "OpenStreetMap (Mapnik)" folder in the following location: C:\Users\\AppData\Local\JOSM\cache\tms (this is the location the "imagery.tms.tilecache preference is set to). Only after doing this were the tiles updated. Does the "Flush Tile Cache" work? I saw a bug report[1] about something like this, but it was closed four years ago as "fixed." If it is working, am I using it correctly? Thanks, Mike [1] https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/6109 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >>> >>> ___ >>> talk mailing list >>> talk@openstreetmap.org >>> >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >>> >> >> > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM Tile Cache
Paul, I tested version 8287. I can go ahead and submit a bug report, but wanted to let you know the results directly. It seems that refreshed Mapnik tiles will only show up after they show up in a browser window open to www.openstreetmap.org. Let me explain. I make a change with JOSM, upload it and then, with Mapnik as the imagery layer, right click on the image and click "Flush Tile Cache." The screen flickers, but the tiles appear the same. I repeat the "Flush Tile Cache" several times over the next few minutes with the same result. I go to the browser (Chrome 42.0.2311.90 m) window open to www.openstreetmap.org the same area and zoom level, and hit F5. Updated tiles are displayed. I then return to JOSM, "Flush Tile Cache" and then the updated tiles are displayed in JOSM as well. To attempt to prove that it isn't just coincidence, I have repeated the whole test a number of times with the same results. Is it possible that JOSM uses the same tile cache as Chrome (but is unable to flush it directly)? MIke On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 8:26 AM, Mike Thompson wrote: > Paul, > > Thanks for your reply and for the information. I test with the > development version. > > Mike > > On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Paul Hartmann wrote: > >> Hi Mike, >> >> There has been a major rework of the TMS cache back end in version >> 8168-8186. If you can still reproduce this problem with the current >> development build or with the upcoming release, then please don't hesitate >> to report it directly on the JOSM bug tracker! >> >> Paul >> >> >> On 23.04.2015 22:58, Mike Thompson wrote: >> >>> I am using JOSM version 8109 on Windows 7. >>> >>> I would like to flush JOSM's "OpenStreetMap (Mapnik)" tile cache. With >>> the >>> "OpenStreetMap (Mapnik) layer displayed, I right clicked on the map, and >>> then clicked on "Flush Tile Cache", but I still see outdated tiles (when >>> compared to the openstreetmap.org website - I made sure both were on the >>> same zoom level). I also tried, in conjunction with the above, removing >>> and >>> re-adding the "OpenStreetMap (Mapnik)" layer, as well as restarting JOSM. >>> >>> Finally I tried renaming the "OpenStreetMap (Mapnik)" folder in the >>> following location: C:\Users\\AppData\Local\JOSM\cache\tms >>> (this is the location the "imagery.tms.tilecache preference is set to). >>> Only after doing this were the tiles updated. >>> >>> Does the "Flush Tile Cache" work? I saw a bug report[1] about something >>> like this, but it was closed four years ago as "fixed." If it is >>> working, >>> am I using it correctly? >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> [1] https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/6109 >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> talk mailing list >>> talk@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >>> >>> >> >> ___ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> > > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM Tile Cache
Paul, Thanks for your reply and for the information. I test with the development version. Mike On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Paul Hartmann wrote: > Hi Mike, > > There has been a major rework of the TMS cache back end in version > 8168-8186. If you can still reproduce this problem with the current > development build or with the upcoming release, then please don't hesitate > to report it directly on the JOSM bug tracker! > > Paul > > > On 23.04.2015 22:58, Mike Thompson wrote: > >> I am using JOSM version 8109 on Windows 7. >> >> I would like to flush JOSM's "OpenStreetMap (Mapnik)" tile cache. With the >> "OpenStreetMap (Mapnik) layer displayed, I right clicked on the map, and >> then clicked on "Flush Tile Cache", but I still see outdated tiles (when >> compared to the openstreetmap.org website - I made sure both were on the >> same zoom level). I also tried, in conjunction with the above, removing >> and >> re-adding the "OpenStreetMap (Mapnik)" layer, as well as restarting JOSM. >> >> Finally I tried renaming the "OpenStreetMap (Mapnik)" folder in the >> following location: C:\Users\\AppData\Local\JOSM\cache\tms >> (this is the location the "imagery.tms.tilecache preference is set to). >> Only after doing this were the tiles updated. >> >> Does the "Flush Tile Cache" work? I saw a bug report[1] about something >> like this, but it was closed four years ago as "fixed." If it is working, >> am I using it correctly? >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Mike >> >> [1] https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/6109 >> >> >> >> ___ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> >> > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM Tile Cache
Hi Mike, There has been a major rework of the TMS cache back end in version 8168-8186. If you can still reproduce this problem with the current development build or with the upcoming release, then please don't hesitate to report it directly on the JOSM bug tracker! Paul On 23.04.2015 22:58, Mike Thompson wrote: I am using JOSM version 8109 on Windows 7. I would like to flush JOSM's "OpenStreetMap (Mapnik)" tile cache. With the "OpenStreetMap (Mapnik) layer displayed, I right clicked on the map, and then clicked on "Flush Tile Cache", but I still see outdated tiles (when compared to the openstreetmap.org website - I made sure both were on the same zoom level). I also tried, in conjunction with the above, removing and re-adding the "OpenStreetMap (Mapnik)" layer, as well as restarting JOSM. Finally I tried renaming the "OpenStreetMap (Mapnik)" folder in the following location: C:\Users\\AppData\Local\JOSM\cache\tms (this is the location the "imagery.tms.tilecache preference is set to). Only after doing this were the tiles updated. Does the "Flush Tile Cache" work? I saw a bug report[1] about something like this, but it was closed four years ago as "fixed." If it is working, am I using it correctly? Thanks, Mike [1] https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/6109 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] JOSM Tile Cache
I am using JOSM version 8109 on Windows 7. I would like to flush JOSM's "OpenStreetMap (Mapnik)" tile cache. With the "OpenStreetMap (Mapnik) layer displayed, I right clicked on the map, and then clicked on "Flush Tile Cache", but I still see outdated tiles (when compared to the openstreetmap.org website - I made sure both were on the same zoom level). I also tried, in conjunction with the above, removing and re-adding the "OpenStreetMap (Mapnik)" layer, as well as restarting JOSM. Finally I tried renaming the "OpenStreetMap (Mapnik)" folder in the following location: C:\Users\\AppData\Local\JOSM\cache\tms (this is the location the "imagery.tms.tilecache preference is set to). Only after doing this were the tiles updated. Does the "Flush Tile Cache" work? I saw a bug report[1] about something like this, but it was closed four years ago as "fixed." If it is working, am I using it correctly? Thanks, Mike [1] https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/6109 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] JOSM tile cache
I'm wondering where I would be able to see cache stats for imagery caches in JOSM, and any settings that might influence caching. At my home here in Oklahoma, I tend to only have a GPRS connection to the internet, so being able to maximize the local cache would be quite useful. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
