Re: [OSM-talk] Multilingual Map Demo working again
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 08:31:39PM +0200, Marco Lechner - FOSSGIS e.V. wrote: how much additional disk space is approximately needed (compared to a bg-map that includes one language rule)? Of course this value can only be an approx. ratio. The absolute space depends on aoi, zoomlevels, ... Approximately zero. :-) The overlay tiles with the labels are rendered on the fly and only kept very short term in memcached. There is some overhead due to extra indexes in the database to allow the fast rendering, but thats probably negligable. This map doesn't use the normal tile stack. For details see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Multilingual_maps_wikipedia_project Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.jochentopf.com/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Multilingual Map Demo working again
On 19/10/2014, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: The overlay tiles with the labels are rendered on the fly and only kept very short term in memcached. There is some overhead due to extra indexes in the database to allow the fast rendering, but thats probably negligable. This map doesn't use the normal tile stack. For details see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Multilingual_maps_wikipedia_project What's required to switch this from demo to used on default osm.org layer ? Is it only a mater of updating the rendering stack and comming up with a nice UI, or is there some issue with the technique, like increased server ressources, sub-par rendering, or browser support ? I know that this only part is actually a lot of work, but I wonder if there's a blocking issue. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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On 10/19/2014 1:40 PM, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: What's required to switch this from demo to used on default osm.org layer ? I don't believe anyone is currently evaluating alternatives to the current stack for tile.osm.org. I think most of those who might are busy with vector tiles these days. Switching rendering stacks with the current load might require a third rendering server for the transition and increased capacity. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Multilingual Map Demo working again
Sven Geggus and I found the problem(s) why the Multilingual Map didn't work and fixed it. See http://mlm.jochentopf.com/ . This is only a demo so no promises on the future of that map. Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.jochentopf.com/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Multilingual Map Demo working again
Hi Jochen and Sven, how much additional disk space is approximately needed (compared to a bg-map that includes one language rule)? Of course this value can only be an approx. ratio. The absolute space depends on aoi, zoomlevels, ... Marco Am 18.10.2014 um 16:29 schrieb Jochen Topf: -Sven Geggus and I found the problem(s) why the Multilingual Map didn't work and fixed it. See http://mlm.jochentopf.com/ . This is only a demo so no promises on the future of that map. Jochen 0x6A30F373.asc Description: application/pgp-keys ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Multilingual map even more flexible...
A comment and a thought/Q: * As noted here before, Deleting the browser cache solves problems of name tags not showing (for me too, that is) * Would be even more neat if there was a way to also get loc_name, alt_name, old_name, int_name in the list of alternatives But in any case / even as is: a Great service! .. I hope it will stay up until it gets integrated into osm.org or some other main stream OSM service. Cheers, -Jaakko On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: On Sat, Dec 01, 2012 at 08:32:04AM -0500, Jaakko Helleranta.com wrote: .. Any ideas why ht,fi,sv,en,fr,es,it,int,_|loc ( http://mlm.jochentopf.com/?zoom=8lat=18.69725lon=-71.80389layers=B0Tlang=ht%2Cfi%2Csv%2Cen%2Cfr%2Ces%2Cit%2Cint%2C_%7Cloc ) is not showing any names? It works for me. Try deleting your browser cache and reload. Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Multilingual map even more flexible...
On Sat, Dec 01, 2012 at 06:10:05AM +0800, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 5:29 AM, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: Hi! I have added some more flexibility to the map at http://mlm.jochentopf.com/ You now have to explicitly tell it when you want to fall back to the name tag. Use the underscore (_) to do this. For instance with fr you'll only get the name:fr tag. With fr,_ you'll get name:fr and, if that doesn't exist name. You can now have several languages in one label, for something like München (Munich) you set it to de|en, ie. use the vertical bar between lines. The second line will appear in parentheses. You can combine all of this, for instance as fr,en|_. Of course this isn't perfect. You can get empty parentheses for instance. But hey, it's nice to play around with. It seems this new feature doesn't work at higher zoom levels, or at least with place=village nodes and roads. I still get name=* tags even if I didn't specify _. There was a bug in there which is hopefully fixed now. Thanks for the report. Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Multilingual map even more flexible...
On Sat, Dec 01, 2012 at 08:32:04AM -0500, Jaakko Helleranta.com wrote: .. Any ideas why ht,fi,sv,en,fr,es,it,int,_|loc ( http://mlm.jochentopf.com/?zoom=8lat=18.69725lon=-71.80389layers=B0Tlang=ht%2Cfi%2Csv%2Cen%2Cfr%2Ces%2Cit%2Cint%2C_%7Cloc) is not showing any names? It works for me. Try deleting your browser cache and reload. Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Multilingual map even more flexible...
Hi! I have added some more flexibility to the map at http://mlm.jochentopf.com/ You now have to explicitly tell it when you want to fall back to the name tag. Use the underscore (_) to do this. For instance with fr you'll only get the name:fr tag. With fr,_ you'll get name:fr and, if that doesn't exist name. You can now have several languages in one label, for something like München (Munich) you set it to de|en, ie. use the vertical bar between lines. The second line will appear in parentheses. You can combine all of this, for instance as fr,en|_. Of course this isn't perfect. You can get empty parentheses for instance. But hey, it's nice to play around with. Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Multilingual map even more flexible...
On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 5:29 AM, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: Hi! I have added some more flexibility to the map at http://mlm.jochentopf.com/ You now have to explicitly tell it when you want to fall back to the name tag. Use the underscore (_) to do this. For instance with fr you'll only get the name:fr tag. With fr,_ you'll get name:fr and, if that doesn't exist name. You can now have several languages in one label, for something like München (Munich) you set it to de|en, ie. use the vertical bar between lines. The second line will appear in parentheses. You can combine all of this, for instance as fr,en|_. Of course this isn't perfect. You can get empty parentheses for instance. But hey, it's nice to play around with. It seems this new feature doesn't work at higher zoom levels, or at least with place=village nodes and roads. I still get name=* tags even if I didn't specify _. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Multilingual map
Maybe it would be possible to add {name:de} - {name:it} support to
the renderer's rule file, rather than putting these values in osm the
database?
For example, for osmarender, instead of having:
pathText k=name dy=2px class=piste-downhill-name
text-anchor=middle startOffset=75%/
We'll have:
pathText k={name:de} - {name:it} dy=2px
class=piste-downhill-name text-anchor=middle startOffset=75%/
Tal
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Elena of Valhalla
elena.valha...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Pierre-André Jacquod
pjacq...@alumni.ethz.ch wrote:
I think, here would a feature like name:local_lang=de,
name:de=Deutschland be very useful.
wouldn't it be even better if this tag supported a string with
substitution, like name:local=$name:de - $name:it or
name:local=$name:de ($name:it) to allow for local styles for places
where the local name is in two languages, both shown on the street
signs.
As a minimum, name:local_lang should support multiple values, to
support similar cases
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Re: [OSM-talk] Multilingual map
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Tal tal@gmail.com wrote:
Maybe it would be possible to add {name:de} - {name:it} support to
the renderer's rule file, rather than putting these values in osm the
database?[...]
this is fine for a german/italian dual language localized map of the
world, but it doesn't help to know that the local name(s) for that
item are the german and italian one, in that order.
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On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Pierre-André Jacquod pjacq...@alumni.ethz.ch wrote: I think, here would a feature like name:local_lang=de, name:de=Deutschland be very useful. wouldn't it be even better if this tag supported a string with substitution, like name:local=$name:de - $name:it or name:local=$name:de ($name:it) to allow for local styles for places where the local name is in two languages, both shown on the street signs. As a minimum, name:local_lang should support multiple values, to support similar cases -- Elena ``of Valhalla'' homepage: http://www.trueelena.org email: elena.valha...@gmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Multilingual map
Hi, great stuff... With my first go a couple of weeks back for 8 languages I did do fallback to at least 'name' using views as suggested on the wiki, setting this up for 40 languages however was somewhat less trivial and I felt that there would be a benefit to being able to display languages with no fallback... I think, here would a feature like name:local_lang=de, name:de=Deutschland be very useful. This would also help in order to have a map done in a chosen language, without blanks in the country (countries) where this language is the default value. paj ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Multilingual map
On Saturday 14 March 2009, Pierre-André Jacquod wrote: Hi, great stuff... With my first go a couple of weeks back for 8 languages I did do fallback to at least 'name' using views as suggested on the wiki, setting this up for 40 languages however was somewhat less trivial and I felt that there would be a benefit to being able to display languages with no fallback... I think, here would a feature like name:local_lang=de, name:de=Deutschland be very useful. This would also help in order to have a map done in a chosen language, without blanks in the country (countries) where this language is the default value. paj But does it really make sense to tag every object inside a country with the same name:local_lang tag? Talk about data duplication... Ben ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Multilingual map
With my first go a couple of weeks back for 8 languages I did do fallback to at least 'name' using views as suggested on the wiki, setting this up for 40 languages however was somewhat less trivial and I felt that there would be a benefit to being able to display languages with no fallback... I think, here would a feature like name:local_lang=de, name:de=Deutschland be very useful. This would also help in order to have a map done in a chosen language, without blanks in the country (countries) where this language is the default value. paj But does it really make sense to tag every object inside a country with the same name:local_lang tag? Talk about data duplication... It depends... in Switzerland, you will have at least the following 4 elements that will appear: name:local_lang=de name:local_lang=fr name:local_lang=it name:local_lang=roh (using ISO 639-3) Romansh is the 4th national language, (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romansh_language for more) Some administrative entites are of one language (like Genevae using French) other are using two or more languages within their boundaries. I even know a town where Quarters at the West part are named in French, and those of the East part are in German and so used locally. (despite having on both side a name in both languages)... regards ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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At 05:22 PM 14/03/2009, Ben Laenen wrote: On Saturday 14 March 2009, Pierre-André Jacquod wrote: Hi, great stuff... With my first go a couple of weeks back for 8 languages I did do fallback to at least 'name' using views as suggested on the wiki, setting this up for 40 languages however was somewhat less trivial and I felt that there would be a benefit to being able to display languages with no fallback... I think, here would a feature like name:local_lang=de, name:de=Deutschland be very useful. This would also help in order to have a map done in a chosen language, without blanks in the country (countries) where this language is the default value. paj But does it really make sense to tag every object inside a country with the same name:local_lang tag? Talk about data duplication... That *could* be done once on the place=country tag, or taken down to county and state tags if required. I now try to put enough is_in:* tags so that an intelligent program can trace back where something is. Either directly by putting is_in:country_code or is_in:country or indirectly by is_in:county in one tag and then is_in:country_code in the county tag. Mike ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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Hi folks, I've been thinking about how it would be good to have the map available in multiple languages... I think the easiest way to do this with what we have is using a captionless base layer and transparent caption layers for each of the languages... So... I put this thinking into practice and put together a proof of concept at http://osm.newportcoastsoftware.com There is a single base, captionless layer and 40 transparent caption layers, all available only to zoom 8. The name tags imported and used to make the different layers are... name - The default name name:ar - Arabic name:cs - Czech name:cy - Welsh name:cz - Typo for Czech name:da - Danish name:de - German name:el - Greek name:en - English name:eo - Esperanto name:es - Spanish name:fi - Finnish name:fr - French name:ga - Irish Gaelic name:he - Hebrew name:hi - Hindi (font problems) name:hr - Croatian name:hu - Hungarian name:is - Icelandic name:it - Italian name:ja - Japanese name:ja_rm - Romanised Japanese name:kl - Kalaalisut (Greenlandic) name:ko - Korean name:la - Latin name:lt - Lithuanian name:lv - Latvian name:nl - Dutch name:pl - Polish name:ro - Romanian name:ru - Russian name:sk - Slovak name:sl - Slovenian name:sr - Serbian name:sv - Swedish name:th - Thai name:uk - Ukranian name:zh - Chinese name:zh_py - Chinese Pinyin name:zh_pyt - Chinese Pinyin with tones This isn't a list of all available languages in use, but, it was most of the languages in use for names of countries and cities when I looked... Issues: The layer switcher is quite long with so many layers, so, the map div has been set to 900px high to fully incorporate it... If less vertical space is available, you'll get a scroll bar, if more is available, the map won't fill the window... The rendering of Hindi has been broken by missed fonts... It should be rerendered in a while... The tiles are bigger than the live site thanks to them not having been created at 256 colours, this is due to transparency not currently working with 256 colour tiles... All tiles are prerendered... They don't get updated automatically and they aren't rendered on request... So if you make changes to OSM, they won't show up on this map for some time... Also nothing currently available beyond zoom 8, though I do plan on making certain areas with good examples of multiple languages available at higher zooms... This is just a proof of concept, it will likely disappear at some point... If anyone has any suggestions, or sees any problems, let me know... Thanks, d ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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Very nice feature, would it be possible, by any chance, to add Catalan names, tag name:ca. A lot of streetnames are mapped in two languages, both in Spain as in France. Skywave On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 1:01 PM, D Tucny d...@tucny.com wrote: Hi folks, I've been thinking about how it would be good to have the map available in multiple languages... I think the easiest way to do this with what we have is using a captionless base layer and transparent caption layers for each of the languages... So... I put this thinking into practice and put together a proof of concept at http://osm.newportcoastsoftware.com There is a single base, captionless layer and 40 transparent caption layers, all available only to zoom 8. The name tags imported and used to make the different layers are... name - The default name name:ar - Arabic name:cs - Czech name:cy - Welsh name:cz - Typo for Czech name:da - Danish name:de - German name:el - Greek name:en - English name:eo - Esperanto name:es - Spanish name:fi - Finnish name:fr - French name:ga - Irish Gaelic name:he - Hebrew name:hi - Hindi (font problems) name:hr - Croatian name:hu - Hungarian name:is - Icelandic name:it - Italian name:ja - Japanese name:ja_rm - Romanised Japanese name:kl - Kalaalisut (Greenlandic) name:ko - Korean name:la - Latin name:lt - Lithuanian name:lv - Latvian name:nl - Dutch name:pl - Polish name:ro - Romanian name:ru - Russian name:sk - Slovak name:sl - Slovenian name:sr - Serbian name:sv - Swedish name:th - Thai name:uk - Ukranian name:zh - Chinese name:zh_py - Chinese Pinyin name:zh_pyt - Chinese Pinyin with tones This isn't a list of all available languages in use, but, it was most of the languages in use for names of countries and cities when I looked... Issues: The layer switcher is quite long with so many layers, so, the map div has been set to 900px high to fully incorporate it... If less vertical space is available, you'll get a scroll bar, if more is available, the map won't fill the window... The rendering of Hindi has been broken by missed fonts... It should be rerendered in a while... The tiles are bigger than the live site thanks to them not having been created at 256 colours, this is due to transparency not currently working with 256 colour tiles... All tiles are prerendered... They don't get updated automatically and they aren't rendered on request... So if you make changes to OSM, they won't show up on this map for some time... Also nothing currently available beyond zoom 8, though I do plan on making certain areas with good examples of multiple languages available at higher zooms... This is just a proof of concept, it will likely disappear at some point... If anyone has any suggestions, or sees any problems, let me know... Thanks, d ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Multilingual map
Am 09.03.2009 13:01, D Tucny: Hi folks, I've been thinking about how it would be good to have the map available in multiple languages... I think the easiest way to do this with what we have is using a captionless base layer and transparent caption layers for each of the languages... So... I put this thinking into practice and put together a proof of concept at http://osm.newportcoastsoftware.com There is a single base, captionless layer and 40 transparent caption layers, all available only to zoom 8. Nice PoC, but it's surfacing some of the problems we still have with localization: I didn't explicitly tag the german names for countries where german doesn't differ from the loca name=... to avoid redundancy. I think the german layer should use these source for names in this order: 1.) name:de 2.) int_name 3.) name I haven't checked for the mapnik syntax to do so, but maybe you could render it for one language as an example. Regards, Claudius ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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On Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 08:01:42PM +0800, D Tucny wrote: Hi folks, I've been thinking about how it would be good to have the map available in multiple languages... I think the easiest way to do this with what we have is using a captionless base layer and transparent caption layers for each of the languages... So... I put this thinking into practice and put together a proof of concept at http://osm.newportcoastsoftware.com This is just a proof of concept, it will likely disappear at some point... If anyone has any suggestions, or sees any problems, let me know... Could you post some of the xml used to generate the tiles? -- Celso González (PerroVerd) http://mitago.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 D Tucny wrote: Hi folks, I've been thinking about how it would be good to have the map available in multiple languages... I think the easiest way to do this with what we have is using a captionless base layer and transparent caption layers for each of the languages... So... I put this thinking into practice and put together a proof of concept at http://osm.newportcoastsoftware.com There is a single base, captionless layer and 40 transparent caption layers, all available only to zoom 8. That's great, but would it be possible for the individual language layers to fall back to local where a name is not given in a particular language? How much storage do the caption layers take compared to the data? Thanks, Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkm1KAgACgkQz+aYVHdncI1ttwCaAnBqRNFCZDKDVUyD1a2qc+hA qz0AoLUxP/DKlwZ6AgwDh5lViEl807z7 =3R6E -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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2009/3/9 Claudius Henrichs claudiu...@gmx.de Am 09.03.2009 13:01, D Tucny: Hi folks, I've been thinking about how it would be good to have the map available in multiple languages... I think the easiest way to do this with what we have is using a captionless base layer and transparent caption layers for each of the languages... So... I put this thinking into practice and put together a proof of concept at http://osm.newportcoastsoftware.com There is a single base, captionless layer and 40 transparent caption layers, all available only to zoom 8. Nice PoC, but it's surfacing some of the problems we still have with localization: I didn't explicitly tag the german names for countries where german doesn't differ from the loca name=... to avoid redundancy. I think the german layer should use these source for names in this order: 1.) name:de 2.) int_name 3.) name I haven't checked for the mapnik syntax to do so, but maybe you could render it for one language as an example. With my first go a couple of weeks back for 8 languages I did do fallback to at least 'name' using views as suggested on the wiki, setting this up for 40 languages however was somewhat less trivial and I felt that there would be a benefit to being able to display languages with no fallback... I'll have a look to see about adding additional layers with fallback... d ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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2009/3/9 Celso González ce...@mitago.net On Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 08:01:42PM +0800, D Tucny wrote: Hi folks, I've been thinking about how it would be good to have the map available in multiple languages... I think the easiest way to do this with what we have is using a captionless base layer and transparent caption layers for each of the languages... So... I put this thinking into practice and put together a proof of concept at http://osm.newportcoastsoftware.com This is just a proof of concept, it will likely disappear at some point... If anyone has any suggestions, or sees any problems, let me know... Could you post some of the xml used to generate the tiles? I've put the files used to generate the tiles in http://osm.newportcoastsoftware.com/mapnik osm-template-local-nocap.xml is the template for the captionless layer osm-template-local-caps.xml is the template for the captions layers names-list is the list of names layers osm-template-local-nocap.xml is turned into osm.xml using customize-mapnik-map-nocap, which is customize-mapnik-map with the source filename changed... osm.template-local-caps.xml is turned into all the osm.xml.*cap files using make-cap-osm-xml which is customize-mapnik-map changed to loop through the contents of names-list to generate the osm.xml.*cap files... Anything else, let me know... d ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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It doesn't get down to streetnames at the moment and there is only one country and 29 cities tagged with Catalan names... That said, I'll add it to the list of things to look at changing next time I do an import... d 2009/3/9 Skywave rjteh...@gmail.com Very nice feature, would it be possible, by any chance, to add Catalan names, tag name:ca. A lot of streetnames are mapped in two languages, both in Spain as in France. Skywave On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 1:01 PM, D Tucny d...@tucny.com wrote: Hi folks, I've been thinking about how it would be good to have the map available in multiple languages... I think the easiest way to do this with what we have is using a captionless base layer and transparent caption layers for each of the languages... So... I put this thinking into practice and put together a proof of concept at http://osm.newportcoastsoftware.com There is a single base, captionless layer and 40 transparent caption layers, all available only to zoom 8. The name tags imported and used to make the different layers are... name - The default name name:ar - Arabic name:cs - Czech name:cy - Welsh name:cz - Typo for Czech name:da - Danish name:de - German name:el - Greek name:en - English name:eo - Esperanto name:es - Spanish name:fi - Finnish name:fr - French name:ga - Irish Gaelic name:he - Hebrew name:hi - Hindi (font problems) name:hr - Croatian name:hu - Hungarian name:is - Icelandic name:it - Italian name:ja - Japanese name:ja_rm - Romanised Japanese name:kl - Kalaalisut (Greenlandic) name:ko - Korean name:la - Latin name:lt - Lithuanian name:lv - Latvian name:nl - Dutch name:pl - Polish name:ro - Romanian name:ru - Russian name:sk - Slovak name:sl - Slovenian name:sr - Serbian name:sv - Swedish name:th - Thai name:uk - Ukranian name:zh - Chinese name:zh_py - Chinese Pinyin name:zh_pyt - Chinese Pinyin with tones This isn't a list of all available languages in use, but, it was most of the languages in use for names of countries and cities when I looked... Issues: The layer switcher is quite long with so many layers, so, the map div has been set to 900px high to fully incorporate it... If less vertical space is available, you'll get a scroll bar, if more is available, the map won't fill the window... The rendering of Hindi has been broken by missed fonts... It should be rerendered in a while... The tiles are bigger than the live site thanks to them not having been created at 256 colours, this is due to transparency not currently working with 256 colour tiles... All tiles are prerendered... They don't get updated automatically and they aren't rendered on request... So if you make changes to OSM, they won't show up on this map for some time... Also nothing currently available beyond zoom 8, though I do plan on making certain areas with good examples of multiple languages available at higher zooms... This is just a proof of concept, it will likely disappear at some point... If anyone has any suggestions, or sees any problems, let me know... Thanks, d ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Multilingual map
D Tucny wrote: It doesn't get down to streetnames at the moment and there is only one country and 29 cities tagged with Catalan names... That said, I'll add it to the list of things to look at changing next time I do an import... And don't forget name:carnaval. Okay, it is mostly gigglevalue, but a lot of the towns in the south of the Netherlands will then show a different name. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Multilingual map
D Tucny d at tucny.com writes: Hi folks,I've been thinking about how it would be good to have the map available in multiple languages... http://osm.newportcoastsoftware.com This is a great piece of work, and IMHO something needed on the main OSM site. Might I make a few suggestions? The default language could be chosen from the web browser's Accept-Language header. So the map will be automatically localized into the user's language as soon as they visit. Rather than a tickbox list of layers to show, it would be better to have an ordered list of preferences. An English speaker would probably use English names, then local ones if English is unavailable. Someone who speaks Spanish and a little English, but cannot read Chinese, might prefer names in Spanish, then English, then the local names. The web browser's Accept-Language is also a list of preferences (each language in the list has a score factor). I understand that allowing all possible preferences would exponentially increase the number of layers to generate, so perhaps you could just make tiles for the one-language-then-local option, and keep logs of the Accept-Language headers you receive from visitors to the site so you can see if there are other popular language combinations that could be added to the list. Perhaps an alternative to the above suggestion would be to recognize the language of 'local names', so if a place is located in Australia and has just 'name', assume that the name is in English and render it as part of the English tiles. A multi-language map will prompt a bit of data cleanup. For example I can see 'Donostia - San Sebastian' in the Basque country, when these are two names for the same place. It should lessen the language wars we've seen in places like Cyprus, since each community can tag the name in their own language. So I hope this proof of concept can eventually be incorporated into the OSM front page! -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
