[OSM-talk] New Mapnik Style
Hi Just noticed that the Wednesday Mapnik update has introduced a considerable change in cartography style. Seems like lots of changes have been applied, which has considerably changed the look of the Mapnik Layer. I wondered if there is a summary of changes explained somewhere, and even maybe some of the motivations for those changes? I really like some of the new POI icons, which seem to be more consistent now. I am not so shure about the rendering of roads (primary,secondary) at Zoom layers 10-11-12. Overall, the contrast of map features seems reduced to me. While this can be a good thing if you want to overlay other layers of information, on its own, I think it makes it less easy on the eye in terms of making out features and so on. Anyone else feels like that? begin:vcard fn:Patrick Weber n:Weber;Patrick org:University College London;Department of Managment Science adr:;;Gower Street;London;;WC1E 6BT;United Kingdom email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Engineering Doctorate Student tel;work:02077185430 tel;cell:07854840450 note:Please note I only pick up my office voicemail sporadically url:http://www.ucl.ac.uk/msi version:2.1 end:vcard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New Mapnik Style
> I am not so shure about the rendering of roads > (primary,secondary) at > Zoom layers 10-11-12. Looking here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.8354&lon=1.1434&zoom=13 the roads to the south of the image seem to use a different style from those to the north. Ed ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New Mapnik Style
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 5:19 PM, Ed Loach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I am not so shure about the rendering of roads >> (primary,secondary) at >> Zoom layers 10-11-12. > > Looking here: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.8354&lon=1.1434&zoom=13 > the roads to the south of the image seem to use a different style > from those to the north. It takes a while for the changes to filter through, since everything needs re-rendering. That's to be expected. You can see at http://munin.openstreetmap.org/openstreetmap/tile.openstreetmap-cpu.html that the tile rendering machine is running (almost) flat-out on re-rendering all the tiles in the cache. But almost all of the ones you look at will be done in the next day or so. Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New Mapnik Style
Patrick Weber wrote: > Hi > > Just noticed that the Wednesday Mapnik update has introduced a > considerable change in cartography style. Seems like lots of changes > have been applied, which has considerably changed the look of the > Mapnik Layer. I wondered if there is a summary of changes explained > somewhere, and even maybe some of the motivations for those changes? > > I really like some of the new POI icons, which seem to be more > consistent now. > > I am not so shure about the rendering of roads (primary,secondary) at > Zoom layers 10-11-12. Overall, the contrast of map features seems > reduced to me. While this can be a good thing if you want to overlay > other layers of information, on its own, I think it makes it less easy > on the eye in terms of making out features and so on. > > Anyone else feels like that? I agree that some of the roads look washed-out. I think part of the problem is that there doesn't seem to be a casing any more for trunk, primary and secondary. I do like the icons. Cheers, Chris ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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Chris Hill wrote: >> Anyone else feels like that? > I agree that some of the roads look washed-out. I think part of the > problem is that there doesn't seem to be a casing any more for trunk, > primary and secondary. I do like the icons. The lack of casing definitely makes the bridges more visible though, which is nice. It is a bit washed out though. -Alex Mauer "hawke" ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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What I and all the 4 people I've talked to about it since yesterday didn't like was the very low visibility of tram-stops (3px blue square) with zoom levels 15 and up. Additionally I'm not quite sure if oneway arrows shouldn't be shown in z15 as well. I use z15 to get an overview over an area and see where I can get along. Oneway restrictions are fairly useful therefor. Regards, Claudius ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New Mapnik Style
On the whole I prefer no casing, it does mean the actual road colours need to be stronger to avoid the washed out look.. Have a nice day, On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Chris Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Patrick Weber wrote: >> Hi >> >> Just noticed that the Wednesday Mapnik update has introduced a >> considerable change in cartography style. Seems like lots of changes >> have been applied, which has considerably changed the look of the >> Mapnik Layer. I wondered if there is a summary of changes explained >> somewhere, and even maybe some of the motivations for those changes? >> >> I really like some of the new POI icons, which seem to be more >> consistent now. >> >> I am not so shure about the rendering of roads (primary,secondary) at >> Zoom layers 10-11-12. Overall, the contrast of map features seems >> reduced to me. While this can be a good thing if you want to overlay >> other layers of information, on its own, I think it makes it less easy >> on the eye in terms of making out features and so on. >> >> Anyone else feels like that? > I agree that some of the roads look washed-out. I think part of the > problem is that there doesn't seem to be a casing any more for trunk, > primary and secondary. I do like the icons. > > Cheers, Chris > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- Martijn van Oosterhout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://svana.org/kleptog/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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Martijn van Oosterhout: > On the whole I prefer no casing, it does mean the actual road colours > need to be stronger to avoid the washed out look.. True. Do you see the trunk road passing through the woods here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.074&lon=8.8972&zoom=14&layers=B000FFF :D ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New Mapnik Style
In general roads have been drawn too wide. While it is difficult to draw roads "on scale" in terms of width, the new mapnik style is too wide. Look here at level 15: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.98053&lon=4.36659&zoom=15&layers=B0 00FTF where residential roads start to overlap. And here (this was already in the previous style) http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.98473&lon=4.37146&zoom=17&layers=B0 00FTF where cycle ways aside the Schieweg road are invisible due to the width of the road.. Of course some width is necessary for labeling, but the font size can be further reduced or printing the name can be equal to or exceed the width of the road for the length of the name. This is already partly the case with the y and g descenders but could also be done for the higher parts of capital letters and thelike. (see second example) Gert Gremmen ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.98473&lon=4.37146&zoom=17 > where cycle ways aside the Schieweg road are invisible due to the width > of the road.. I didn't know anything about the streets in question, so I downloaded that region into JOSM and then I looked at some better-than-yahoo aerial photos to do some distance measurements (lots of parked cars, of length 4,5 to 5 meters, visible for comparison). As it now stands in OSM, the distance from the Schieweg centerline to the cycleway centerline is under 5 meters. A truck is generally 2,55 meters wide (without the side mirrors) and a minimum width for lanes, where heavy traffic common, is typically 2,8 to 3,5 meters, everywhere around Europe atleast. That section of the road seems to have three lanes in total and quite a wide cycleway, so a minimum distance of 7 to 8 meters between the centerlines is more than likely. Some distance north of the location you linked to, the separation distance is drawn more reasonable (and the cycleways do show nicely beside the Schieweg). Distance measurements are easy to do while editing, at least in JOSM. In general, at z17, almost all features do seem to appear in correct width. This might not be the case for very narrow or wide streets, though. -- Lauri Kytömaa --- Leppäsuonkatu 7 A 32 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- 00100 Helsinki http://www.iki.fi/lkmaa/ - 040-7580434 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New Mapnik Style
On Friday 17 October 2008, Gert Gremmen wrote: > In general roads have been drawn too wide. > While it is difficult to draw roads "on scale" > in terms of width, the new mapnik style is too wide. Since we're now discussing some mapnik style changes, here are some: * You should render tunnels (or better: the tunnel casings) above everything else. If a tunnel is under a street (like many metros) it becomes invisible now. * there's no difference anymore between industrial and residential since the last update for zoom level 13 and lower. * casings for trunk/primary/secondary and living streets are absolutely necessary IMHO * train stations have almost become invisible in the latest update, and especially train halts (which also have the name in black and not in blue like the stations btw). Train stations should have been more visible as well in the previous mapnik style. * natural=wood and landuse=forest should render the same * highway=pedestrian with area=yes doesn't connect with other highways. See http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.219112&lon=4.401669&zoom=18&layers=B000FTF for example to see what I mean. * highway=pedestrian is rendered too thin. These are usually normal streets (albeit without car access) and should render something like highway=living_street (i.e. like a plain residential road width but gray) ok, those are the first issues I can think of, maybe more to follow :-) Greetings Ben ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New Mapnik Style
Patrick Weber wrote: > Hi > > Just noticed that the Wednesday Mapnik update has introduced a > considerable change in cartography style. Seems like lots of changes > have been applied, which has considerably changed the look of the Mapnik > Layer. I wondered if there is a summary of changes explained somewhere, > and even maybe some of the motivations for those changes? > I've spotted that boundaries that used to be rendered when they followed streams, nowadays, Mapnik is only rendering the stream in such cases. Example: Pembrokeshire county boundary http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.8406&lon=-4.7601&zoom=14&layers=B000FTF -- Simon Hewison ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New Mapnik Style
On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 20:26 +0100, Simon Hewison wrote: > Patrick Weber wrote: > > Hi > > > > Just noticed that the Wednesday Mapnik update has introduced a > > considerable change in cartography style. Seems like lots of changes > > have been applied, which has considerably changed the look of the Mapnik > > Layer. I wondered if there is a summary of changes explained somewhere, > > and even maybe some of the motivations for those changes? > > > > I've spotted that boundaries that used to be rendered when they followed > streams, nowadays, Mapnik is only rendering the stream in such cases. > > Example: Pembrokeshire county boundary > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.8406&lon=-4.7601&zoom=14&layers=B000FTF That would be a weird side effect of me turning the waterway tag into a polygon type in the osm2pgsql default.style. I'm currently testing a fix for this. Jon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New Mapnik Style
On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 21:28 +0100, Jon Burgess wrote: > On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 20:26 +0100, Simon Hewison wrote: > > Patrick Weber wrote: > > > Hi > > > > > > Just noticed that the Wednesday Mapnik update has introduced a > > > considerable change in cartography style. Seems like lots of changes > > > have been applied, which has considerably changed the look of the Mapnik > > > Layer. I wondered if there is a summary of changes explained somewhere, > > > and even maybe some of the motivations for those changes? > > > > > > > I've spotted that boundaries that used to be rendered when they followed > > streams, nowadays, Mapnik is only rendering the stream in such cases. > > > > Example: Pembrokeshire county boundary > > > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.8406&lon=-4.7601&zoom=14&layers=B000FTF > > That would be a weird side effect of me turning the waterway tag into a > polygon type in the osm2pgsql default.style. I'm currently testing a fix > for this. The fix seems to work and I've committed it to SVN. Unfortunately it will have to wait until next Wednesday when the data is next imported for the fix to take effect. Jon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
