Re: [OSM-talk] POI Collection as a Competition
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Ken Guest k...@linux.ie wrote: On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:28 PM, Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk wrote: I fear that it would just be gamed and bad data would be entered instead. That too would be my main worry - unless there was a procedure in place to verify that data. My proposal would be the same situation we have with current OSM: use the crowd to check the crowd's data. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] POI Collection as a Competition
creating competition in this way can be disruptive to the community, by encouraging people to work in isolation, amongst other things Would an approach be to get a community of people working on a particular area and highlight the improvement made as a result? For example there has been talk on talk-ca of tagging bus-stops in 3 Canadian cities, is there (could there be) a prize for being the 1st one 100% tagging? Simon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] POI Collection as a Competition
On 11 June 2010 08:34, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: I posted this idea as an off-topic message in a thread about the post office in talk-us, but I thought it might get more interest over here on t...@... What if we came up with a way to make POI collection a competition or game? Think foursquare/gowalla's checkins mixed in with something like http://www.poi-factory.com/. It could be generic enough to encompass eric raymond has written an insightful piece on why this sort of thing doesn't work well in open source type projects, as a chapter of this essay: http://catb.org/esr/writings/homesteading/homesteading/ creating competition in this way can be disruptive to the community, by encouraging people to work in isolation, amongst other things ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] POI Collection as a Competition
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:28 PM, Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.ukwrote: I fear that it would just be gamed and bad data would be entered instead. That too would be my main worry - unless there was a procedure in place to verify that data. k. Shaun On 10 Jun 2010, at 21:34, Ian Dees wrote: I posted this idea as an off-topic message in a thread about the post office in talk-us, but I thought it might get more interest over here on t...@... What if we came up with a way to make POI collection a competition or game? Think foursquare/gowalla's checkins mixed in with something like http://www.poi-factory.com/. It could be generic enough to encompass any sort of POI information (from park benches to trees to mailboxes). Each set of data could have some sort of expected information: collection times and color might be two things expected for every mailbox, species and approx_age might be expected things for every tree. A user could join a particular competition (i.e. the tree competition or mailbox competition) and attempt to gather as much data as possible to get points and fame (badges and maybe cool schwag (I collected 10,000 park benches and all I got was this lousy t-shirt) from OSM). If data is incorrect, the user could move it or mark it as bad (removing fractional points from the original poster for putting in bad data?). A user could create a competition if they don't see one they want. Maybe the competitions are based on a locale and/or time? The person with the most bus stops collected in Chicago over the next 10 days wins a prize. or something. Any thoughts? Critiques? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- http://blogs.linux.ie/kenguest/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] POI Collection as a Competition
I fear that it would just be gamed and bad data would be entered instead. Shaun On 10 Jun 2010, at 21:34, Ian Dees wrote: I posted this idea as an off-topic message in a thread about the post office in talk-us, but I thought it might get more interest over here on t...@... What if we came up with a way to make POI collection a competition or game? Think foursquare/gowalla's checkins mixed in with something like http://www.poi-factory.com/. It could be generic enough to encompass any sort of POI information (from park benches to trees to mailboxes). Each set of data could have some sort of expected information: collection times and color might be two things expected for every mailbox, species and approx_age might be expected things for every tree. A user could join a particular competition (i.e. the tree competition or mailbox competition) and attempt to gather as much data as possible to get points and fame (badges and maybe cool schwag (I collected 10,000 park benches and all I got was this lousy t-shirt) from OSM). If data is incorrect, the user could move it or mark it as bad (removing fractional points from the original poster for putting in bad data?). A user could create a competition if they don't see one they want. Maybe the competitions are based on a locale and/or time? The person with the most bus stops collected in Chicago over the next 10 days wins a prize. or something. Any thoughts? Critiques? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] POI Collection as a Competition
I posted this idea as an off-topic message in a thread about the post office in talk-us, but I thought it might get more interest over here on t...@... What if we came up with a way to make POI collection a competition or game? Think foursquare/gowalla's checkins mixed in with something like http://www.poi-factory.com/. It could be generic enough to encompass any sort of POI information (from park benches to trees to mailboxes). Each set of data could have some sort of expected information: collection times and color might be two things expected for every mailbox, species and approx_age might be expected things for every tree. A user could join a particular competition (i.e. the tree competition or mailbox competition) and attempt to gather as much data as possible to get points and fame (badges and maybe cool schwag (I collected 10,000 park benches and all I got was this lousy t-shirt) from OSM). If data is incorrect, the user could move it or mark it as bad (removing fractional points from the original poster for putting in bad data?). A user could create a competition if they don't see one they want. Maybe the competitions are based on a locale and/or time? The person with the most bus stops collected in Chicago over the next 10 days wins a prize. or something. Any thoughts? Critiques? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] POI Collection as a Competition
On 11 June 2010 11:04, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Let's forget the prizes for now, even if they could some how be turned into a positive. What about the mechanism? How do we create a super easy way for folks with focused interests to participate in OSM? Say a super postbox click-adder. How does that work? Does the data get submitted automatically to the API, and under which user id? Or should new postboxes be confirmed by a user from another IP address first? by re-appropriating the tool used at openaddresses.org it's the best thing i've seen for allowing people to add a handful of items, without the need for training, reading manuals or even signing up ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
