Re: [OSM-talk] POIs from wikipedia
This problem can elegantly be solved as a "layer" on the output e.g. a hyperlink / ballon on web based map. OSM only need to indicate which nodes already has wikipedia entries and what their identifiers are. Then we can prevent duplicates from being rendered. > I suspect the most likely explanation is that they simply don't > realise it's not legal - I'd expect discussion on the page if they Or it's legal because it's fair use because it's small scale and not for profit. If Google Maps contain a feature that automatically displays WGS coordinates, then it's only logical that normal people will manually copy those coordinates into other documents that they freely share with other interested parties. IMHO The Berne convention (and probably a whole lot of other case law / common law) prevents someone from distributing a product under "All rights reserved" and then afterwards making extremely broad claims against a significant proportion of their customer base. A copyright holder can't have it both ways : Upfront revenues and guaranteed penalties from their customers. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] POIs from wikipedia
Robin Paulson wrote: > i'm slightly lost now, wondering how osm fits in to this. if wp users > can do it (i assume their legat team has looked through it?), why not > osm I suspect the most likely explanation is that they simply don't realise it's not legal - I'd expect discussion on the page if they thought it was the case. And it's such a small part of Wikipedia that Google et al are hardly going to risk the bad press by going after them, whereas for us it's our raison d'etre. There are a couple of possible alternative explanations (copyright of geodata under US law, GFDL licensing of each article individually so it doesn't form a database) but ignorance is the most likely. cheers Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] POIs from wikipedia
On 10/01/2008, Richard Fairhurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [co-ordinates on Wikipedia] > > really, that sounds like it would contravene wikipedia's rules and > > google's terms of use? and is it our responsibility to pre-guess what > > wp editors are doing? i think taking their data at face value is > > acceptable > > Please read > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Obtaining_geographic_coordinates > > It actively recommends getting co-ordinates from Google Maps, > Multimap, Microsoft etc. etc. etc. it does, cheers i'm slightly lost now, wondering how osm fits in to this. if wp users can do it (i assume their legat team has looked through it?), why not osm i guess it's ok, because they're using it for illustrative purposes (fair use?), rather than as a basis for their content ok, i'll keep looking and keep thinking. thanks ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] POIs from wikipedia
Robin Paulson wrote: > [co-ordinates on Wikipedia] > On 08/01/2008, Richard Fairhurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > These are almost certainly derived from Google Maps et al, therefore > > unsuitable for OSM. > > really, that sounds like it would contravene wikipedia's rules and > google's terms of use? and is it our responsibility to pre-guess what > wp editors are doing? i think taking their data at face value is > acceptable Please read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Obtaining_geographic_coordinates It actively recommends getting co-ordinates from Google Maps, Multimap, Microsoft etc. etc. etc. cheers Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] POIs from wikipedia
On 08/01/2008, Richard Fairhurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > while i was looking up some info on wikipedia [1], i noticed that a > > lot of pages have a lat/lon value to describe their location; this > > strikes me as something we could use to increase the amount of data in > > OSM > > These are almost certainly derived from Google Maps et al, therefore > unsuitable for OSM. really, that sounds like it would contravene wikipedia's rules and google's terms of use? and is it our responsibility to pre-guess what wp editors are doing? i think taking their data at face value is acceptable ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] POIs from wikipedia
Frederik Ramm wrote: > Well no matter where they came from, being Wikipedia they're > GNU FDL and if we incorporated them we'd have to switch to GNU FDL as > well, at least that's how I read virulent licenses. Wikipedia are working with the FSF to make the FDL "compatible" with CC-BY-SA 3. I expect that this will happen by the FSF adding a clause to the FDL saying "If you have no front-cover texts, no back-cover texts etc. etc, you may relicense this work under CC-BY-SA 3". This is something we need to consider if we move away from CC-BY-SA. I can see the arguments for it, but unless we are careful, it does move us further away from the growing area of license compatibility. Gerv ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] POIs from wikipedia
Hi, > These are almost certainly derived from Google Maps et al, therefore > unsuitable for OSM. Well no matter where they came from, being Wikipedia they're GNU FDL and if we incorporated them we'd have to switch to GNU FDL as well, at least that's how I read virulent licenses. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## N49°00.09' E008°23.33' ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] POIs from wikipedia
On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 22:41 +, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > These are almost certainly derived from Google Maps et al, therefore > unsuitable for OSM. I got the lat/long for the Erskine Bridge from my GPS, so at least it's fine. -- Bruce Cowan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] POIs from wikipedia
Anselm Hook wrote: > Maybe somebody should start the pragmatic street maps project I think the pragmatic "free use, we don't care that much about the licensing" project is over at http://maps.google.com/ ;) cheers Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] POIs from wikipedia
Maybe somebody should start the pragmatic street maps project - a On Jan 7, 2008 2:41 PM, Richard Fairhurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Robin Paulson wrote: > > > while i was looking up some info on wikipedia [1], i noticed that a > > lot of pages have a lat/lon value to describe their location; this > > strikes me as something we could use to increase the amount of data in > > OSM > > These are almost certainly derived from Google Maps et al, therefore > unsuitable for OSM. > > cheers > Richard > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] POIs from wikipedia
Robin Paulson wrote: > while i was looking up some info on wikipedia [1], i noticed that a > lot of pages have a lat/lon value to describe their location; this > strikes me as something we could use to increase the amount of data in > OSM These are almost certainly derived from Google Maps et al, therefore unsuitable for OSM. cheers Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] POIs from wikipedia
On 08/01/2008, Robin Paulson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > while i was looking up some info on wikipedia [1], i noticed that a > lot of pages have a lat/lon value to describe their location; this > strikes me as something we could use to increase the amount of data in > OSM > > it would require a mass download of data from all the pages that > contain these values, matching to relevant tags and importing into > OSM. > > dos anyone here have the experience to query the wikipedia db in a way > that could pull out just those pages with location info? > > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southdown_Train_Station bad i know, but replying to my own mail: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProjekt_Georeferenzierung/Wikipedia-World/en has a database of all georeferenced POIs in SQL format i realise a lot of these will be in OSM already, so there would need to be some cross-referencing/filtering to prevent duplication suggestions, comments? has this been done already? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] POIs from wikipedia
while i was looking up some info on wikipedia [1], i noticed that a lot of pages have a lat/lon value to describe their location; this strikes me as something we could use to increase the amount of data in OSM it would require a mass download of data from all the pages that contain these values, matching to relevant tags and importing into OSM. dos anyone here have the experience to query the wikipedia db in a way that could pull out just those pages with location info? [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southdown_Train_Station ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
