Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch and NearMap sourcing - what? why?
On 10 Jun 2010, at 18:12, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > Richard Fairhurst wrote: >> I would. It already happens and it's right that it does. Trac's UI is >> much, much better for this sort of thing. > > As a bug reporter, I find that the trac UI sucks massively. I have spent > ages, on different tracs of different projects, to try and find out whether > the bug I wanted to report was already in the system. And sometimes I knew > that it was and could not find it. > > I much prefer dumping my bug to a mailing list where whoever knows something > about the issue can perhaps pick it up and put it it the right place, or if > nobody does, then my bug probably wasn't important and deserves to be ignored. That might give you instant gratification, but the "perhaps" is the key. It makes it much less likely - in Potlatch 1's case, anyway - that the bug will be remembered and filed. It might work on a project with lots of spare developers but that project ain't OSM and it certainly ain't P1. At the very least, if you have to post it to a list, do attempt to use the right one (i.e. Potlatch-dev not talk). As a matter of record: talk is too high volume so I don't subscribe by e-mail, I skim read on nabble. If you post a Potlatch bug report on talk it won't end up in my inbox. If you post it on potlatch-dev or trac it will. Make your own mind up which is more likely to result in the bug being fixed. :) cheers Richard > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch and NearMap sourcing - what? why?
Hi, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > I would. It already happens and it's right that it does. Trac's UI is > much, much better for this sort of thing. As a bug reporter, I find that the trac UI sucks massively. I have spent ages, on different tracs of different projects, to try and find out whether the bug I wanted to report was already in the system. And sometimes I knew that it was and could not find it. I much prefer dumping my bug to a mailing list where whoever knows something about the issue can perhaps pick it up and put it it the right place, or if nobody does, then my bug probably wasn't important and deserves to be ignored. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch and NearMap sourcing - what? why?
On 10 Jun 2010, at 02:01, Steve Bennett wrote: > On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Richard Fairhurst > wrote: >> trac called, it wants its job back. >> >> It is really really really unhelpful to bring up every little thing on the >> mailing lists rather than the proper bug-tracking system. Please don't. It >> doesn't mean your alleged bug gets fixed quicker - quite the opposite; it's >> impossible to keep track of what people want if it's scattered over 257 >> mailing lists. > > Yes and no. Raising an issue on a mailing list helps clarify whether > it's actually a bug, lets other users bring their perspectives to it > etc, and ultimately helps create a useful bug report, if appropriate. > You wouldn't like it if there were dozens of Trac bugs along the lines > of "this weird thing happened in Potlatch, not sure why though", > either. I would. It already happens and it's right that it does. Trac's UI is much, much better for this sort of thing. It groups all feedback in one place, lets the dev categorise its importance, provides a way to file attachments (e.g. screenshots) and so on. But it only works if people use it. The idea is that you search through trac bugs before filing a ticket. If it's been filed before, look at that ticket. If not, file a new one. The worst that can happen is that the dev resolves it as wontfix, which is a lot more efficient than writing endless e-mails on talk or wherever. > Yep (as I just mentioned in the thread on talk-au), I launched it from > nearmap. And it looks like Potlatch remembers the setting even though > I launched it from openstreetmap.org the next time. Ben Last (Nearmap) > asked on the other list if there could be another parameter passed on > the URL which would let them specify what the source tag would be (ie, > "source=nearmap") rather than it always being computed from the tile > parameter. Certainly possible. As mentioned right now I'm only really doing essential maintenance work on P1 while we concentrate on P2 (doesn't stop anyone else patching P1, of course). But file it as an enhancement on trac, because, again, no-one will remember it if it's just yet another mailing list post. cheers Richard > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch and NearMap sourcing - what? why?
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 01:01, Steve Bennett wrote: > On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Richard Fairhurst > wrote: >> trac called, it wants its job back. >> My guess is that you followed a link with &tileurl=whathaveyou. > > Yep (as I just mentioned in the thread on talk-au), I launched it from > nearmap. And it looks like Potlatch remembers the setting even though > I launched it from openstreetmap.org the next time. Ben Last (Nearmap) > asked on the other list if there could be another parameter passed on > the URL which would let them specify what the source tag would be (ie, > "source=nearmap") rather than it always being computed from the tile > parameter. The right thing to do is to have Potlatch support named parameters, e.g. &titlepreset=nearmap. Then you could link to that and users wouldn't have to manually specify the background. Adding support for that would be a relatively simple patch. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch and NearMap sourcing - what? why?
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 8:02 PM, Gregory wrote: > > Ooo look it even tells you about it from the Potlatch wiki > page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Potlatch/Feedback Thanks for the reminder of that page. Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch and NearMap sourcing - what? why?
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > trac called, it wants its job back. > > It is really really really unhelpful to bring up every little thing on the > mailing lists rather than the proper bug-tracking system. Please don't. It > doesn't mean your alleged bug gets fixed quicker - quite the opposite; it's > impossible to keep track of what people want if it's scattered over 257 > mailing lists. Yes and no. Raising an issue on a mailing list helps clarify whether it's actually a bug, lets other users bring their perspectives to it etc, and ultimately helps create a useful bug report, if appropriate. You wouldn't like it if there were dozens of Trac bugs along the lines of "this weird thing happened in Potlatch, not sure why though", either. In other words: I don't consider reporting an issue here to be "reporting a bug" and expect it to get acted on. Sorry if it looked like I did - I was still trying to work out what was going on. > My guess is that you followed a link with &tileurl=whathaveyou. Yep (as I just mentioned in the thread on talk-au), I launched it from nearmap. And it looks like Potlatch remembers the setting even though I launched it from openstreetmap.org the next time. Ben Last (Nearmap) asked on the other list if there could be another parameter passed on the URL which would let them specify what the source tag would be (ie, "source=nearmap") rather than it always being computed from the tile parameter. Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch and NearMap sourcing - what? why?
On 9 June 2010 09:58, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > it's impossible to keep track of what people want if it's scattered over > 257 > mailing lists. We could create a banpotlatch@ mailing list for you, it should be described as high frequency :) Of course I do agree with your constant pleas to use trac, it's a great tool for seeing if problems/bugs are already reported, being recognised, or about to be fixed. Use it! Ooo look it even tells you about it from the Potlatch wiki page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Potlatch/Feedback -- Gregory o...@livingwithdragons.com http://www.livingwithdragons.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch and NearMap sourcing - what? why?
Steve Bennett wrote: > I just noticed that Potlatch has started saving the source, when > using nearmap[1], as "source=http://www.nearmap.com/kh/ > zxy=!,!,!" rather than just "source=nearmap". No it hasn't. > Several issues here: > 1) That format looks broken - surely those should be numbers, not ! > 2) Changing to such a specific source rather than the generic > "nearmap" is a fairly big change and is going to cause incorrect > sourcing. For example, you could take a whole highway with a tag > that only really applies to one bit. > 3) I don't really want to keep tagging atm knowing that it's creating > broken sources. Could this be fixed quickly? trac called, it wants its job back. It is really really really unhelpful to bring up every little thing on the mailing lists rather than the proper bug-tracking system. Please don't. It doesn't mean your alleged bug gets fixed quicker - quite the opposite; it's impossible to keep track of what people want if it's scattered over 257 mailing lists. If you open Potlatch, select Nearmap in the menu, and press 'B' to add the source, it tags it as source=nearmap. I have just tested it. It works. It hasn't changed. Indeed, Potlatch 1 hasn't changed at all since 8th April generally because I (and others) have been concentrating on Potlatch 2. You can also give Potlatch a custom URL for aerial imagery, either using the dialogue box or by appending &tileurl= to the ?edit... link. Potlatch's custom URL format uses three !s to signify z, x and y parameters respectively. If you have chosen such a custom URL, Potlatch obviously doesn't know what source tag it should use when you press B, so it will just use the custom URL format. My guess is that you followed a link with &tileurl=whathaveyou. Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Potlatch-and-NearMap-sourcing-what-why-tp5156592p5157399.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Potlatch and NearMap sourcing - what? why?
I just noticed that Potlatch has started saving the source, when using nearmap[1], as "source=http://www.nearmap.com/kh/zxy=!,!,!"; rather than just "source=nearmap". Several issues here: 1) That format looks broken - surely those should be numbers, not ! 2) Changing to such a specific source rather than the generic "nearmap" is a fairly big change and is going to cause incorrect sourcing. For example, you could take a whole highway with a tag that only really applies to one bit. 3) I don't really want to keep tagging atm knowing that it's creating broken sources. Could this be fixed quickly? Steve [1] That is, pressing "b" when the underlying imagery is nearmap. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
