Re: [OSM-talk] Power-user GPS app for Android?

[Samat K Jain]

On Wednesday, February 16, 2011 12:30:17 AM Ivan Petrushev wrote:
> I tried OsmAnd, but it has a problem recording tracks. If the phone
> display is off (device locked) - the track stops. This is happening to
> lots of people and it is reported several times in the project issue
> tracker for the last few months. Also OsmAnd don't have other map
> sources than OSM.

That's typically a phone/hardware problem. My old phone (MyTouch 3G/Magic) used 
to do that; my new one (G2/Desire Z) does not. Both with Android 2.2.

*cough* Android, fragmented? Of course not…

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Re: [OSM-talk] Power-user GPS app for Android?

[Ivan Petrushev]

Hi Tanveer,
I tried OsmAnd, but it has a problem recording tracks. If the phone
display is off (device locked) - the track stops. This is happening to
lots of people and it is reported several times in the project issue
tracker for the last few months. Also OsmAnd don't have other map
sources than OSM.
Then I tried Maverick and it has a problem with saving marks. I don't
know if it is because of it is Lite version or a bug, but it can't
create waypoints file on the SD card. I considered buying the Pro
version, but I've read lots of complains in the net about it. The lite
version is limited to something like 2 tracks and 5 waypoints, though.
I've tried several other apps that had even less amount of options.
For example none of them had a setting for frequency of points in
record track by time or travel distance.
About routing - it is not really important. It is just a cool feature
I'd like to have, but now after I tried some more software (including
garmin on symbian) - I prefer to do the routing myself :) Anyway,
following a list of waypoints is a basic form of "routing" that is
useful.
"Look ahead" is a nice feature to have (mapnav had it :) ), but not a must.

Regards,
Ivan.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Power-user GPS app for Android?

[Tanveer Singh]

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Ivan Petrushev wrote:

> MapNav

HI Ivan,
Oruxmaps, and many other apps do everything mapnav does. Including Waypoint,
track or route navigation.
However, none of these apps do "routing". For example, on a car GPS from
Garmin/Tomtom you give an address, and it plots a route over freeways and
roads etc., That is the only functionality missing from most of these apps.
Oruxmaps will do it all, ditto for Androzic.
I love androzic for the "look ahead" feature. Basically it shows more map
for the direction I am going towards.
With mobile atlas creater you can create maps for all these programs. You
can choose OSM or google.
All these apps support track recording, even background track recording, so
if you just want to lay down a track you can do other things on your phone.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Power-user GPS app for Android?

[Ivan Petrushev]

I don't think these are too much features for one program. MapNav had
99% of the requirements and it was "just a" JAVA app for dumbphones. I
thought that there would be much more advanced apps for Android that
offers such a rich programming options and powerful hardware.

I tried OruxMaps and it seems very flexible. Maybe this is the one I
need. I will try it at the field and see how will perform.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Power-user GPS app for Android?

[Nic Roets]

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 1:42 AM, David Murn  wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 15:24 +0200, Nic Roets wrote:
>
>> And for view the map I use the unreleased (still in development)
>> version of Gosmore.
>
> Nic,
>
> Do you mean gosmore on android, or gosmore on CE?  If you mean android,
> is there any ETA on when this might be released, or escape from your
> system? :)  As you know, Im an avid user of the CE version, but if
> theres an android version floating around, I cant wait to give that a
> try.
>
> David

Gosmore on Android. Within a week or two.

One major enhancement is that the sea is rendered as an area. And it's
already fairly responsive on my entry level 500 Mhz single core phone.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Power-user GPS app for Android?

[David Murn]

On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 15:24 +0200, Nic Roets wrote:

> And for view the map I use the unreleased (still in development)
> version of Gosmore.

Nic,

Do you mean gosmore on android, or gosmore on CE?  If you mean android,
is there any ETA on when this might be released, or escape from your
system? :)  As you know, Im an avid user of the CE version, but if
theres an android version floating around, I cant wait to give that a
try.

David

> On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 11:49 AM, Ivan Petrushev  wrote:
> > Can you suggest me a power-user GPS application for Android?
> > I've recently switched from my Sony Ericsson K800 to Android and
> > really miss MapNav. Most of the android apps I've tried are really
> > naive - there is a map, and there is a dot representing your position,
> > and this is all. Some of them have online routing via Cloudmade or
> > other service. Not something really impressive.
> > There are two cases I'll be using that app for:
> > A) collect data for OSM
> > B) when on a trip - checking and correcting OSM data
> > For A) - I don't want anything with a embedded OSM editor! I like to
> > make marks (in the app), take photos and then later enter all data in
> > JOSM.
> > I'm often in regions with no access to Internet. So I need all maps to
> > be prepared before and use them offline. Preferably use vector maps
> > because of the scaling and routing.
> > Also if using routing (and it is new to me and I don't find it really
> > "a-must") it should be offline routing.
> > About tracks - I keep lots of tracks, some of them with 5k+ nodes. I
> > need to be able to easily tell which track is what.
> >
> > MapNav was a perfect app with tons of options, but it won't run on
> > Android. There are certain emulators but none of them get to run it
> > smoothly. That's why I search for something that is android-native,
> > but so far I haven't hit anything worthy. I've checked OsmAnd and it
> > has troubles saving tracks. I've checked Maverick and it has troubles
> > saving POIs.
> >
> > I've created a list of features that I need and a list of features
> > that it will be nice to have but not mandatory.
> >
> > MUST HAVES
> >
> > - Tracks
> > -- record track points by distance traveled (for example "every 50 m")
> > or by time (for example "every 10 s"). Combination of two can be
> > possible with AND or OR.
> > -- save and load tracks
> > -- view saved tracks in list select active track
> > -- export/import track formats - at least GPX
> > -- display and update active track on the map
> > -- ability to easily pause track recording (for example when you are
> > standing still at one place)
> >
> > - Marks
> > -- ability to quickly add new mark (or call it POI if you like) around
> > my current location
> > -- ability to add new mark with specific coordinates (useful for geocaching)
> > -- easily export and import marks
> >
> > - Main display
> > -- display current speed
> > -- display distance between current position and a selected target position
> > -- display distance between random two points
> >
> >
> > - Map sources
> > -- offline maps easily created
> > -- OSM
> > -- downloading Google Earth (or other sources) tiles from Internet
> >
> >
> > OPTIONALS
> >
> > - Tracks
> > -- show altitude and speed profiling of a track
> > -- edit track nodes (for example cut nodes out of the track, or split
> > track in two)
> > -- rename saved tracks
> > -- list saved tracks with details (like length, timestamp of first
> > node, timestamp of last node) and sorting
> > -- display more than one track over the map at once
> >
> > - Marks
> > -- ability to take photo and geotag/add it to a mark
> >
> > - Main display
> > -- display current coordinates and altitude
> > -- number of points in active track
> > -- ability to show a "ruler" on the map
> > -- display satelite status
> >
> > - Navigation
> > -- ability to calculate route from point A to point B w/o Internet
> >
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Re: [OSM-talk] Power-user GPS app for Android?

[Nic Roets]

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Andrew Gregory
 wrote:
> and usability, and by adding OpenStreetBugs support (which needs network
> comms). I've been using OpenStreetBugs as my online POI database of things
> to survey. It probably wouldn't take too much work to create offline bug
> reporting, and upload bugs when comms become available.

Another idea would be to create a photo bugs toolchain:
1. Surveyor takes a geotagged photo of a bug
2. Uploads it at a later stage to a central server
3. Another user open Josm, zoom in on an area and downloads the photos.
4. Make the corrections and upload.

The idea would be to streamline the process as far as possible. In
(1), the GPS, compass and sensors must all be accurate before taking
the picture. The user must be allowed to annotate the picture, perhaps
even with a voice recording. Bulk operations must be supported in (2)
and (3)

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Re: [OSM-talk] Power-user GPS app for Android?

[Toby Murray]

That's a pretty long and very specific list of requirements for a
single app. As others have said, you will probably need to make use of
multiple apps to cover all of this functionality.

One app I haven't seen mentioned yet is OSMTracker. It is useful as a
surveying aid. It records traces and lets you tag locations along the
way using either predefined POIs or a text note or a geo-tagged
picture or a sound clip. You can export it to a GPX file and load that
into JOSM and everything will show up in the editing area as you would
expect. It doesn't have much for map display though. Just a basic tile
viewer. Also, the native android camera app lets you enable
geo-tagging all by itself.

Vector rendering can be done by a couple of programs. The one I have
played with the most is MapDroyd. The paid version (NavDroyd) does
offline routing as well. It has come in handy a couple of times when
I've been out in the middle of nowhere. A recent update brought
offline vector rendering to OsmAnd but I haven't played with it. It
also lets you download and cache tiles as well as POI data (think the
"data" overlay on osm.org) for offline use. And yes, OsmAnd lets you
add a limited number of POI types (online only)

Toby

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Re: [OSM-talk] Power-user GPS app for Android?

[Andrew Gregory]

Only speaking on my own behalf (and not for anyone else involved with
Vespucci), I've recently been doing some work on Vespucci.

Vespucci is an Android OSM editor, primarily online, although you can
download a chunk of data and then work on it without an internet connection.

Its GPS logging support is rather poor. It records a track to overlay on the
map, but right now doesn't do anything else with it (i.e. save it or export
it). There are plans for direct uploading to OSM.

I had been pondering what sort of tool would make address data collection
easy, so finding KeypadMapper has got all sorts of ideas rolling around my
head. Since Vespucci would (or could) have the OSM street topology
available, it sounds quite possible for a KeypadMapper-type tool to be
integrated that adds nicely positioned address data points relative to the
road line, rather than your current (track) position.

My current use for Vespucci is gathering street names, so most of my recent
work has been geared to that - primarily by improving application stability
and usability, and by adding OpenStreetBugs support (which needs network
comms). I've been using OpenStreetBugs as my online POI database of things
to survey. It probably wouldn't take too much work to create offline bug
reporting, and upload bugs when comms become available.

One day I'll run out of street names to gather and start thinking about
addresses, but that's months away.

I'd like to see Vespucci become a "one stop" OSM editor-in-the-field on
Android, and when I have time I do what I can, but what's really needed is
additional Android developers, so if anyone can help, even if it's just
ideas and feedback, it would all be appreciated.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Power-user GPS app for Android?

[Nick Whitelegg]

I think OsmAnd will do most of this. I used to use Andnav2 for in-the-field 
maps but have recently replaced with osmand: this has a number of features 
including OpenStreetBugs viewing and reporting, and I believe (haven't tried) 
will allow you to enter POIs too.

For track recording I use mytracks.

Nick

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Re: [OSM-talk] Power-user GPS app for Android?

[Matthias Meißer]

Hi Nic,

your app seems to be quite cool. I created a page, might you contribute 
a small descripton, please?

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/KeypadMapper

You might add further infos for the software tables, from
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Software2

cya
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Re: [OSM-talk] Power-user GPS app for Android?

[Nic Roets]

Hello Ivan,

I use a number of apps. I customize my home screen, so it's very fast
to switch between them.

For recording tracks, I use My Tracks (a Google product, very mature).

For recording house numbers I made my own app. (I'm currently adding
150 new addresses each day, nearly a thousand if you count
interpolation)  If you know a little bit java and python, you can
certainly adapt it to recording PoIs:
Source: https://github.com/nroets/KeypadMapper
Documentation: 
http://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/1385/what-is-the-best-mobile-application-for-large-scale-house-number-collection

And for view the map I use the unreleased (still in development)
version of Gosmore.

Regards,
Nic

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 11:49 AM, Ivan Petrushev  wrote:
> Can you suggest me a power-user GPS application for Android?
> I've recently switched from my Sony Ericsson K800 to Android and
> really miss MapNav. Most of the android apps I've tried are really
> naive - there is a map, and there is a dot representing your position,
> and this is all. Some of them have online routing via Cloudmade or
> other service. Not something really impressive.
> There are two cases I'll be using that app for:
> A) collect data for OSM
> B) when on a trip - checking and correcting OSM data
> For A) - I don't want anything with a embedded OSM editor! I like to
> make marks (in the app), take photos and then later enter all data in
> JOSM.
> I'm often in regions with no access to Internet. So I need all maps to
> be prepared before and use them offline. Preferably use vector maps
> because of the scaling and routing.
> Also if using routing (and it is new to me and I don't find it really
> "a-must") it should be offline routing.
> About tracks - I keep lots of tracks, some of them with 5k+ nodes. I
> need to be able to easily tell which track is what.
>
> MapNav was a perfect app with tons of options, but it won't run on
> Android. There are certain emulators but none of them get to run it
> smoothly. That's why I search for something that is android-native,
> but so far I haven't hit anything worthy. I've checked OsmAnd and it
> has troubles saving tracks. I've checked Maverick and it has troubles
> saving POIs.
>
> I've created a list of features that I need and a list of features
> that it will be nice to have but not mandatory.
>
> MUST HAVES
>
> - Tracks
> -- record track points by distance traveled (for example "every 50 m")
> or by time (for example "every 10 s"). Combination of two can be
> possible with AND or OR.
> -- save and load tracks
> -- view saved tracks in list select active track
> -- export/import track formats - at least GPX
> -- display and update active track on the map
> -- ability to easily pause track recording (for example when you are
> standing still at one place)
>
> - Marks
> -- ability to quickly add new mark (or call it POI if you like) around
> my current location
> -- ability to add new mark with specific coordinates (useful for geocaching)
> -- easily export and import marks
>
> - Main display
> -- display current speed
> -- display distance between current position and a selected target position
> -- display distance between random two points
>
>
> - Map sources
> -- offline maps easily created
> -- OSM
> -- downloading Google Earth (or other sources) tiles from Internet
>
>
> OPTIONALS
>
> - Tracks
> -- show altitude and speed profiling of a track
> -- edit track nodes (for example cut nodes out of the track, or split
> track in two)
> -- rename saved tracks
> -- list saved tracks with details (like length, timestamp of first
> node, timestamp of last node) and sorting
> -- display more than one track over the map at once
>
> - Marks
> -- ability to take photo and geotag/add it to a mark
>
> - Main display
> -- display current coordinates and altitude
> -- number of points in active track
> -- ability to show a "ruler" on the map
> -- display satelite status
>
> - Navigation
> -- ability to calculate route from point A to point B w/o Internet
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Power-user GPS app for Android?

[Tanveer Singh]

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Ivan Petrushev  wrote:

> Can you suggest me a power-user GPS application for Android?
> I've recently switched from my Sony Ericsson K800 to Android and
> r 
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Unfortunately, there are lots of apps which allow you to use mapping and
track logging and waypoints etc., routing is mostly done by paid apps. For
example Ndrive etc.,
You can try ANDNAV2 which is based on OSM routing.

If you are not too big on routing, 2 full featured apps I recommend are
Androzic and Oruxmaps.
they do everything you ask, except for routing.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Power-user GPS app for Android?

[Matthias Meißer]

hi, sorry I#m not an Android user but you already checked some of this 
apps out?

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Android

regards
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Re: [OSM-talk] Power-user GPS app for Android?

[Elizabeth Dodd]

On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:49:40 +0200
Ivan Petrushev  wrote:

> Can you suggest me a power-user GPS application for Android?
> I've recently switched from my Sony Ericsson K800 to Android and
> really miss MapNav. Most of the android apps I've tried are really
> naive - there is a map, and there is a dot representing your position,
> and this is all. Some of them have online routing via Cloudmade or
> other service. Not something really impressive.
> There are two cases I'll be using that app for:
> A) collect data for OSM
> B) when on a trip - checking and correcting OSM data
> For A) - I don't want anything with a embedded OSM editor! I like to
> make marks (in the app), take photos and then later enter all data in
> JOSM.
> I'm often in regions with no access to Internet. So I need all maps to
> be prepared before and use them offline. Preferably use vector maps
> because of the scaling and routing.
> Also if using routing (and it is new to me and I don't find it really
> "a-must") it should be offline routing.
> About tracks - I keep lots of tracks, some of them with 5k+ nodes. I
> need to be able to easily tell which track is what.
> 
> MapNav was a perfect app with tons of options, but it won't run on
> Android. There are certain emulators but none of them get to run it
> smoothly. That's why I search for something that is android-native,
> but so far I haven't hit anything worthy. I've checked OsmAnd and it
> has troubles saving tracks. I've checked Maverick and it has troubles
> saving POIs.
> 
> I've created a list of features that I need and a list of features
> that it will be nice to have but not mandatory.
> 
> MUST HAVES
> 
> - Tracks
> -- record track points by distance traveled (for example "every 50 m")
> or by time (for example "every 10 s"). Combination of two can be
> possible with AND or OR.
> -- save and load tracks
> -- view saved tracks in list select active track
> -- export/import track formats - at least GPX
> -- display and update active track on the map
> -- ability to easily pause track recording (for example when you are
> standing still at one place)
> 
> - Marks
> -- ability to quickly add new mark (or call it POI if you like) around
> my current location
> -- ability to add new mark with specific coordinates (useful for
> geocaching) -- easily export and import marks
> 
> - Main display
> -- display current speed
> -- display distance between current position and a selected target
> position -- display distance between random two points
> 
> 
> - Map sources
> -- offline maps easily created
> -- OSM
> -- downloading Google Earth (or other sources) tiles from Internet
> 
> 
> OPTIONALS
> 
> - Tracks
> -- show altitude and speed profiling of a track
> -- edit track nodes (for example cut nodes out of the track, or split
> track in two)
> -- rename saved tracks
> -- list saved tracks with details (like length, timestamp of first
> node, timestamp of last node) and sorting
> -- display more than one track over the map at once
> 
> - Marks
> -- ability to take photo and geotag/add it to a mark
> 
> - Main display
> -- display current coordinates and altitude
> -- number of points in active track
> -- ability to show a "ruler" on the map
> -- display satelite status
> 
> - Navigation
> -- ability to calculate route from point A to point B w/o Internet
> 

You might need two apps :(
Navit will store for offline use, can record a track and routes with
some caveats
no POI feature / cannot view saved tracks / cannot pause track
recording 

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[OSM-talk] Power-user GPS app for Android?

[Ivan Petrushev]

Can you suggest me a power-user GPS application for Android?
I've recently switched from my Sony Ericsson K800 to Android and
really miss MapNav. Most of the android apps I've tried are really
naive - there is a map, and there is a dot representing your position,
and this is all. Some of them have online routing via Cloudmade or
other service. Not something really impressive.
There are two cases I'll be using that app for:
A) collect data for OSM
B) when on a trip - checking and correcting OSM data
For A) - I don't want anything with a embedded OSM editor! I like to
make marks (in the app), take photos and then later enter all data in
JOSM.
I'm often in regions with no access to Internet. So I need all maps to
be prepared before and use them offline. Preferably use vector maps
because of the scaling and routing.
Also if using routing (and it is new to me and I don't find it really
"a-must") it should be offline routing.
About tracks - I keep lots of tracks, some of them with 5k+ nodes. I
need to be able to easily tell which track is what.

MapNav was a perfect app with tons of options, but it won't run on
Android. There are certain emulators but none of them get to run it
smoothly. That's why I search for something that is android-native,
but so far I haven't hit anything worthy. I've checked OsmAnd and it
has troubles saving tracks. I've checked Maverick and it has troubles
saving POIs.

I've created a list of features that I need and a list of features
that it will be nice to have but not mandatory.

MUST HAVES

- Tracks
-- record track points by distance traveled (for example "every 50 m")
or by time (for example "every 10 s"). Combination of two can be
possible with AND or OR.
-- save and load tracks
-- view saved tracks in list select active track
-- export/import track formats - at least GPX
-- display and update active track on the map
-- ability to easily pause track recording (for example when you are
standing still at one place)

- Marks
-- ability to quickly add new mark (or call it POI if you like) around
my current location
-- ability to add new mark with specific coordinates (useful for geocaching)
-- easily export and import marks

- Main display
-- display current speed
-- display distance between current position and a selected target position
-- display distance between random two points


- Map sources
-- offline maps easily created
-- OSM
-- downloading Google Earth (or other sources) tiles from Internet


OPTIONALS

- Tracks
-- show altitude and speed profiling of a track
-- edit track nodes (for example cut nodes out of the track, or split
track in two)
-- rename saved tracks
-- list saved tracks with details (like length, timestamp of first
node, timestamp of last node) and sorting
-- display more than one track over the map at once

- Marks
-- ability to take photo and geotag/add it to a mark

- Main display
-- display current coordinates and altitude
-- number of points in active track
-- ability to show a "ruler" on the map
-- display satelite status

- Navigation
-- ability to calculate route from point A to point B w/o Internet

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