[OSM-talk] Proposed mechanical import: Empty relations 1

2012-07-29 Thread Paul Norman
Now that the redaction bot has finished running, I want to propose what
should be a simple uncontroversial mechanical edit (hah).

I propose cleaning up two types of empty relations that are not members of
other relations.

- Those with no members and no tags
- Those with no members and type=multipolygon as the only tag

Relations removed will be limited to those more than a day old to avoid
conflicting with any open changesets.

This will not break any relations linked to from the wiki. You'd have to
know the ID of them to reference them, and if you know the ID you can
retrieve the deleted relation.

Technical details are at
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/pnorman_imports

This would impact 1295 relations, unless you take the view that objects
which are identical are the same, in which case it would impact 2. :)


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Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed mechanical import: Empty relations 1

2012-07-29 Thread Mike N

On 7/29/2012 5:06 AM, Paul Norman wrote:

- Those with no members and no tags
- Those with no members and type=multipolygon as the only tag

Relations removed will be limited to those more than a day old to avoid
conflicting with any open changesets.


 I would suggest a longer time interval, perhaps a week - I have 
performed multiple edit sessions with periodic uploads with 'dangling 
empty relations' before they were filled in.   (Although they would have 
had more tags).



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Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed mechanical import: Empty relations 1

2012-07-29 Thread Werner Hoch
Am Sonntag, den 29.07.2012, 02:06 -0700 schrieb Paul Norman:
 Now that the redaction bot has finished running, I want to propose what
 should be a simple uncontroversial mechanical edit (hah).
 
 I propose cleaning up two types of empty relations that are not members of
 other relations.
 
 - Those with no members and no tags
 - Those with no members and type=multipolygon as the only tag

What about additionally add last editor=redaction bot?

... then there will be less controversion ;-)

Regards
werner2101




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Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed mechanical import: Empty relations 1

2012-07-29 Thread Paul Norman
 From: Werner Hoch [mailto:werner...@gmx.de]
 Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 6:33 AM
 To: Paul Norman
 Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed mechanical import: Empty relations 1
 
 Am Sonntag, den 29.07.2012, 02:06 -0700 schrieb Paul Norman:
  Now that the redaction bot has finished running, I want to propose
  what should be a simple uncontroversial mechanical edit (hah).
 
  I propose cleaning up two types of empty relations that are not
  members of other relations.
 
  - Those with no members and no tags
  - Those with no members and type=multipolygon as the only tag
 
 What about additionally add last editor=redaction bot?
 
 ... then there will be less controversion ;-)
 
 Regards
 werner2101

The redaction bot didn't leave behind any relations with no geodata.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed mechanical import: Empty relations 1

2012-07-29 Thread Paul Norman
 From: Mike N [mailto:nice...@att.net]
 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed mechanical import: Empty relations 1
 
 On 7/29/2012 5:06 AM, Paul Norman wrote:
  - Those with no members and no tags
  - Those with no members and type=multipolygon as the only tag
 
  Relations removed will be limited to those more than a day old to
  avoid conflicting with any open changesets.
 
   I would suggest a longer time interval, perhaps a week - I have
 performed multiple edit sessions with periodic uploads with 'dangling
 empty relations' before they were filled in.   (Although they would have
 had more tags).

I can't imagine a use for a relation or multipolygon with no geodata and no
tag data, even when considering multi-day edit sessions. If someone isn't
going to provide some information (at least tags) then why would they make
the relation at all?

I wouldn't suggest using relations or MPs with no geodata and with tag data
over long edit sessions since if you lose your spot and have to redownload
from the API you'll of lost the relations unless you remember their IDs.

I might propose something at a later data dealing with relations or MPs that
have no geodata but have tag data, but that's not the purpose of this edit.

Just for reference, there are approximately 5k relations with no geodata.


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