Re: [OSM-talk] QA bots commenting on changesets - your thoughts?

[Ryszard Mikke]

On the other hand, if editing software checked for some particular
software, the bot would have nothing to do.
So, maybe the bot is a good temporary solution until the map editors have
it implemented?
Also, it would be a good way to detect edits with new software that hes no
checking implemented.

On 4 April 2018 at 17:08, john whelan  wrote:

> > * do not message the same person twice about the same kind of problem
>
> and I would support this.  The other problem is how recent was the
> mapping.  If its more than a week old they may have corrected the way they
> work after it had been brought to their attention by another mapper.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 4 April 2018 at 10:53, Frederik Ramm  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 04/04/18 10:44, Michał Brzozowski wrote:
>> > What do you think about it? Are such bots useful or not?
>>
>> The bot programmer must take extreme care not to make their bot an
>> annoyance. In my opinion this would include:
>>
>> * do not message the same person twice about the same kind of problem
>>
>> * at the very least allow mappers to "opt out" of bot messaging, or
>> ideally use an opt-in where when someone submits a changeset, they don't
>> only tick "I would like someone to review my changeset" but also "I am
>> willing to receive automated messages about this changeset"
>>
>> Bye
>> Frederik
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Re: [OSM-talk] QA bots commenting on changesets - your thoughts?

[john whelan]

> * do not message the same person twice about the same kind of problem

and I would support this.  The other problem is how recent was the
mapping.  If its more than a week old they may have corrected the way they
work after it had been brought to their attention by another mapper.

Cheerio John

On 4 April 2018 at 10:53, Frederik Ramm  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On 04/04/18 10:44, Michał Brzozowski wrote:
> > What do you think about it? Are such bots useful or not?
>
> The bot programmer must take extreme care not to make their bot an
> annoyance. In my opinion this would include:
>
> * do not message the same person twice about the same kind of problem
>
> * at the very least allow mappers to "opt out" of bot messaging, or
> ideally use an opt-in where when someone submits a changeset, they don't
> only tick "I would like someone to review my changeset" but also "I am
> willing to receive automated messages about this changeset"
>
> Bye
> Frederik
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] QA bots commenting on changesets - your thoughts?

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

On 04/04/18 10:44, Michał Brzozowski wrote:
> What do you think about it? Are such bots useful or not?

The bot programmer must take extreme care not to make their bot an
annoyance. In my opinion this would include:

* do not message the same person twice about the same kind of problem

* at the very least allow mappers to "opt out" of bot messaging, or
ideally use an opt-in where when someone submits a changeset, they don't
only tick "I would like someone to review my changeset" but also "I am
willing to receive automated messages about this changeset"

Bye
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Re: [OSM-talk] QA bots commenting on changesets - your thoughts?

[Bryan Housel]

I think the more we can do to automate QA, the better.   

There should be some common sense guidelines for running bots though:
*  user names with “bot” in them
*  user profiles that say what the bot does and where the source code is
*  common place on GitHub for bot development (osmlab/bots?) 



> On Apr 4, 2018, at 4:44 AM, Michał Brzozowski  wrote:
> 
> There's a bot in Poland that comments on changesets which break addresses 
> (e.g. combining addr:place with addr:street), along with an explanation and 
> links to forum topic.
> 
> What do you think about it? Are such bots useful or not?
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] QA bots commenting on changesets - your thoughts?

[_ dikkeknodel]

Hi Michał,

I can see value in making sure that mistakes are not accidentally introduced. 
However, I am not sure whether a bot like you describe is a wanted solution.

  *   I have concerns about false positives, when the bot considers an action 
as braking a connection and gives comment while the change is actually valid. 
This relates to what Martin brings in, false positives raise the noise level 
and the comments will therefore be ignored in the future. I don’t know what an 
acceptable level for false positives is, but there must be literature on it 
from psychology/computer sciences.
  *   Feedback by a bot as comment to a changeset is too late for maintaining 
data integrity, the mistake is already submitted to the database. The feedback 
should be given when trying to submit a changeset. I can imagine an 
implementation similar to what JOSM does for validation before submitting a 
dataset. This validation should then occur on the OSM server instead, or access 
to the changeset API should only be allowed for applications that have decent 
validation implemented. The second option is maybe preferable from a money 
perspective, since the calculations will be done locally and no server capacity 
is required. It will however put more requirements on hardware and software 
used to input data.

Cheers, dikkeknodel

Van: Martin Koppenhoefer<mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com>
Verzonden: woensdag 4 april 2018 11:17
Aan: Michał Brzozowski<mailto:www.ha...@gmail.com>
CC: osm<mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org>
Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk] QA bots commenting on changesets - your thoughts?



2018-04-04 10:44 GMT+02:00 Michał Brzozowski 
<www.ha...@gmail.com<mailto:www.ha...@gmail.com>>:
There's a bot in Poland that comments on changesets which break addresses (e.g. 
combining addr:place with addr:street), along with an explanation and links to 
forum topic.
What do you think about it? Are such bots useful or not?

while the example situation merits some kind of response, I am not sure if 
automated changeset comments are a good answer, because this will raise the 
noise level and very soon we will not find the needles in the comments haystack 
any more. Maybe the time has come for tags in changeset comments (bot=yes) ;-)
Cheers,
Martin

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Re: [OSM-talk] QA bots commenting on changesets - your thoughts?

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2018-04-04 10:44 GMT+02:00 Michał Brzozowski :

> There's a bot in Poland that comments on changesets which break addresses
> (e.g. combining addr:place with addr:street), along with an explanation and
> links to forum topic.
> What do you think about it? Are such bots useful or not?
>


while the example situation merits some kind of response, I am not sure if
automated changeset comments are a good answer, because this will raise the
noise level and very soon we will not find the needles in the comments
haystack any more. Maybe the time has come for tags in changeset comments
(bot=yes) ;-)

Cheers,
Martin
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[OSM-talk] QA bots commenting on changesets - your thoughts?

[Michał Brzozowski]

There's a bot in Poland that comments on changesets which break addresses
(e.g. combining addr:place with addr:street), along with an explanation and
links to forum topic.

What do you think about it? Are such bots useful or not?

Michał
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