Re: [OSM-talk] Quarry or construction?

[John Smith]

On 16 May 2010 02:31, Richard Weait  wrote:
> Adding them to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution seems
> like a good idea, but I see a potential problem.  Have any of the au
> community who are so enthusiastically using nearmap as a source
> considered the effect of the OSM license upgrade to ODbL?  Will all

A couple of Nearmap employees follow the talk-au mailing list:

http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2009-December/004249.html

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Re: [OSM-talk] Quarry or construction?

[Richard Weait]

On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 6:11 AM, Gregory  wrote:
> "If you derive information from observing our PhotoMaps, and include that
> information in a work, you will own that work, and may distribute it to
> others under a Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike (CC-BY-SA) licence."
> So make sure you add them in the source, and I guess we're assuming that's
> enough attribution.

Adding them to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution seems
like a good idea, but I see a potential problem.  Have any of the au
community who are so enthusiastically using nearmap as a source
considered the effect of the OSM license upgrade to ODbL?  Will all
nearmap-sourced data have to be reverted / removed?  Or has the au
community approached nearmap and received their written consent to
relicense data derived from their images as ODbL?

I see that they mention OpenStreetMapS <-- that terminal "s" again,
most-common typo, ever!  in their terms of use, and they certainly
seem pretty awesome all around.  But what's up with the license
upgrade?

Best regards,
Richard

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Re: [OSM-talk] Quarry or construction?

[John Smith]

On 15 May 2010 21:29, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer  wrote:
> 2010/5/15 John Smith :
>> Due to all the potential hazardous waste dumped in past years most
>> landfills aren't suitable for much else unless they're properly
>> cleaned up first.
>
>
> quite close to the residences and the lake ;-)
> http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-37.943519,145.083947&z=19&t=h&nmd=20100416

Yea, so the holes might in fact be them digging up old garbage to fix
up parts of the land fill...

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Re: [OSM-talk] Quarry or construction?

[M∡rtin Koppenhoefer]

2010/5/15 John Smith :
> Due to all the potential hazardous waste dumped in past years most
> landfills aren't suitable for much else unless they're properly
> cleaned up first.


quite close to the residences and the lake ;-)
http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-37.943519,145.083947&z=19&t=h&nmd=20100416

cheers,
Martin

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Re: [OSM-talk] Quarry or construction?

[Liz]

On Sat, 15 May 2010, Chris Hill wrote:
> Steve Bennett wrote:
> > One of my favourite things about working on openstreetmap is just how
> > much you learn about the world...without ever leaving your computer :)
> 
> One of the things I love about OSM is how it has encouraged me to see so
> many new things and learn so much about my local area by getting out,
> away from my computer.
> 
> Cheers, Chris
> 
>
I think that Steve does cycle too



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Re: [OSM-talk] Quarry or construction?

[Steve Bennett]

On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 8:11 PM, Gregory  wrote:
> "If you derive information from observing our PhotoMaps, and include that
> information in a work, you will own that work, and may distribute it to
> others under a Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike (CC-BY-SA) licence."
> So make sure you add them in the source, and I guess we're assuming that's
> enough attribution.

Are you saying you haven't used nearmap before? Nearmap is now *the*
source for Australian metropolitan imagery - and their imagery is
starting to cover big chunks of the bush. The nearmap people are very
keen for OSM to trace from their data, you don't need to worry about
that.

Much faster than having to visit sites to ask the people there what
kind of site it is :)

Steve

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Re: [OSM-talk] Quarry or construction?

[Chris Hill]

Steve Bennett wrote:
>
> One of my favourite things about working on openstreetmap is just how
> much you learn about the world...without ever leaving your computer :)
>   
One of the things I love about OSM is how it has encouraged me to see so 
many new things and learn so much about my local area by getting out, 
away from my computer.

Cheers, Chris

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Re: [OSM-talk] Quarry or construction?

[Gregory]

"If you derive information from observing our PhotoMaps, and include that
information in a work, you will own that work, and may distribute it to
others under a Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike
(CC-BY-SA)
 licence."

So make sure you add them in the source, and I guess we're assuming that's
enough attribution.


On 15 May 2010 09:52, John Smith  wrote:

> On 15 May 2010 18:42, Steve Bennett  wrote:
> > Hmm, I guess the giveaway is the loaded truck entering off Old Dandenong
> Rd.
> >
> > OTOH, to the east of that road are a few piles of different kinds of
> dirt:
> > http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-37.952009,145.101886&z=19&t=h&nmd=20100416
> >
> > So I guess there's a quarry and a landfill?
>
> Depends what they're doing with the site, in recent years many
> landfill sites near large population centres have been turned into
> waste transfer stations and turf grown on top of any existing waste.
>
> Although that site still seems pretty active if you look to the north
> west of that location:
>
> http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-37.946294,145.092748&z=19&t=h&nmd=20100416
>
> You can see what appears to be waste, and dozers and other heavy
> machinery tending to it.
>
> Also this area:
>
> http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-37.946763,145.089066&z=20&t=h&nmd=20100416
>
> Could be a recycling section.
>
> Due to all the potential hazardous waste dumped in past years most
> landfills aren't suitable for much else unless they're properly
> cleaned up first.
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Quarry or construction?

[John Smith]

On 15 May 2010 18:42, Steve Bennett  wrote:
> Hmm, I guess the giveaway is the loaded truck entering off Old Dandenong Rd.
>
> OTOH, to the east of that road are a few piles of different kinds of dirt:
> http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-37.952009,145.101886&z=19&t=h&nmd=20100416
>
> So I guess there's a quarry and a landfill?

Depends what they're doing with the site, in recent years many
landfill sites near large population centres have been turned into
waste transfer stations and turf grown on top of any existing waste.

Although that site still seems pretty active if you look to the north
west of that location:

http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-37.946294,145.092748&z=19&t=h&nmd=20100416

You can see what appears to be waste, and dozers and other heavy
machinery tending to it.

Also this area:

http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-37.946763,145.089066&z=20&t=h&nmd=20100416

Could be a recycling section.

Due to all the potential hazardous waste dumped in past years most
landfills aren't suitable for much else unless they're properly
cleaned up first.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Quarry or construction?

[Steve Bennett]

On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 6:30 PM, John Smith  wrote:
> They also use weigh stations to weigh garbage coming into landfills,
> you can see a bunch of big skip bins near by as well.
>
> landuse=landfill

Hmm, I guess the giveaway is the loaded truck entering off Old Dandenong Rd.

OTOH, to the east of that road are a few piles of different kinds of dirt:
http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-37.952009,145.101886&z=19&t=h&nmd=20100416

So I guess there's a quarry and a landfill?

Steve

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Re: [OSM-talk] Quarry or construction?

[John Smith]

On 15 May 2010 01:34, Joseph Reeves  wrote:
> I know you don't want specifics, but that one's a quarry:
>
> http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-37.950822,145.097364&z=19&t=h&nmd=20100416
>
> You can see the weigh station used to work out how much material each
> truck is leaving with, there's also some round piles of material under
> the the tell-tale conveyor belts.
>
> But weight station and buildings by the entrance = quarry.

They also use weigh stations to weigh garbage coming into landfills,
you can see a bunch of big skip bins near by as well.

landuse=landfill

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Re: [OSM-talk] Quarry or construction?

[Steve Bennett]

On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 1:34 AM, Joseph Reeves  wrote:
> You can see the weigh station used to work out how much material each
> truck is leaving with, there's also some round piles of material under
> the the tell-tale conveyor belts.
>
> But weight station and buildings by the entrance = quarry.

Ah, that's a good tip, thanks. (I forgot how good the nearmap resolution is...)

One of my favourite things about working on openstreetmap is just how
much you learn about the world...without ever leaving your computer :)

Steve

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Re: [OSM-talk] Quarry or construction?

[Joseph Reeves]

I know you don't want specifics, but that one's a quarry:

http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-37.950822,145.097364&z=19&t=h&nmd=20100416

You can see the weigh station used to work out how much material each
truck is leaving with, there's also some round piles of material under
the the tell-tale conveyor belts.

But weight station and buildings by the entrance = quarry.

Cheers, Joseph



On 14 May 2010 05:32, Steve Bennett  wrote:
> Can someone offer some tips on how to distinguish a quarry from a
> construction site? They seem to look pretty similar from the air -
> lots of dirt and vehicle tracks, sometimes piles of dirt.
>
> Eg: http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-37.946025,145.093174&z=16&t=h&nmd=20100416
>
> (Note, I'm looking for general tips, not a determination on that
> single instance)
>
> Steve
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Re: [OSM-talk] Quarry or construction?

[Gregory]

On 14 May 2010 05:32, Steve Bennett  wrote:

> Can someone offer some tips on how to distinguish a quarry from a
> construction site? They seem to look pretty similar from the air -
> lots of dirt and vehicle tracks, sometimes piles of dirt.
>
> Eg: http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-37.946025,145.093174&z=16&t=h&nmd=20100416
>
> (Note, I'm looking for general tips, not a determination on that
> single instance)
>
> Steve
>
>
Go down the road to the entrance and read what the signs on the gate say? If
that doesn't help, ask the guy in the hard hat who thinks you want
directions and are lost.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Quarry or construction?

[John F. Eldredge]

Of course, a large water-filled hole, without vehicles around it, describes 
both an inactive quarry and an inactive large-scale building site.  Given the 
current state of the world's economy, there are a certain number of the latter 
around, because the developer went broke.

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On Fri, 14 May 2010, Steve Bennett wrote:
> Can someone offer some tips on how to distinguish a quarry from a
> construction site? They seem to look pretty similar from the air -
> lots of dirt and vehicle tracks, sometimes piles of dirt.
>
> Eg: http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-37.946025,145.093174&z=16&t=h&nmd=20100416
>
> (Note, I'm looking for general tips, not a determination on that
> single instance)
>
> Steve

curved vehicle tracks suggest quarry
presence of straight lines which suggest buildings under construction
area with large pooled water with copper-ish discolouration suggests quarry

i'd check council minutes for the area and see if you can use a search engine
to find what this land is used for
Even if you get he street names off another map.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Quarry or construction?

[Liz]

On Fri, 14 May 2010, Steve Bennett wrote:
> Can someone offer some tips on how to distinguish a quarry from a
> construction site? They seem to look pretty similar from the air -
> lots of dirt and vehicle tracks, sometimes piles of dirt.
> 
> Eg: http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-37.946025,145.093174&z=16&t=h&nmd=20100416
> 
> (Note, I'm looking for general tips, not a determination on that
> single instance)
> 
> Steve

curved vehicle tracks suggest quarry
presence of straight lines which suggest buildings under construction
area with large pooled water with copper-ish discolouration suggests quarry

i'd check council minutes for the area and see if you can use a search engine 
to find what this land is used for
Even if you get he street names off another map.

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[OSM-talk] Quarry or construction?

[Steve Bennett]

Can someone offer some tips on how to distinguish a quarry from a
construction site? They seem to look pretty similar from the air -
lots of dirt and vehicle tracks, sometimes piles of dirt.

Eg: http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-37.946025,145.093174&z=16&t=h&nmd=20100416

(Note, I'm looking for general tips, not a determination on that
single instance)

Steve

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