Re: [OSM-talk] Uber most likely using OSM data

[Mike N]

On 8/11/2016 10:53 AM, Dave F wrote:

Just because it's very similar to OSM doesn't means it isn't using to
some other database. You're arguing what I believe is called a 'false
cause fallacy'


  Similarly, the Uber path could follow the OSM path but differ from 
both Google and Aerial imagery, for the case where both OSM and Uber 
derived their information from a cloud of GPS traces.



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Re: [OSM-talk] Uber most likely using OSM data

[Dave F]

Just because it's very similar to OSM doesn't means it isn't using to 
some other database. You're arguing what I believe is called a 'false 
cause fallacy'.


You should be comparing it with aerial imagery not Google maps.

Dave F.


On 11/08/2016 15:40, Mishari Muqbil wrote:
This time I've shown several places where they trace OSM's logical 
path precisely (i.e. A complex intersection or ways converging to form 
a fork).


On Thursday, 11 August 2016, Dave F > wrote:


Hi

As has been pointed out, Uber's routing not following the
inaccuracy within Google doesn't prove they're using OSM.

Dave F.

On 11/08/2016 13:44, Mishari Muqbil wrote:

Hi everyone,

I've made some more quick comparisons here:
https://www.evernote.com/l/AAToqyEvUURAL71Q_xhbOB05s9mj-cH4Gg4


Counterintuitively, the ones with circle in green are the
original with google maps background, in red is super imposed on
OSM, you can see that it fits like a glove.

Best regards
Mishari


Mishari Muqbil 
July 27, 2016 at 12:18
Hi,

I wrote a blog post
 comparing
Uber's rendering of a sample route displayed in it's app with
Google Maps and OSM Mapnik, it seems Uber is using OSM data for
this function without any visible attribution to OSM.

Best regards
Mishari




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Re: [OSM-talk] Uber most likely using OSM data

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> Il giorno 11 ago 2016, alle ore 16:34, Dave F  
> ha scritto:
> 
> As has been pointed out, Uber's routing not following the inaccuracy within 
> Google doesn't prove they're using OSM.


I agree we'd have to check against aerial imagery how close osm is to the 
reality on the ground  (and if it's not that would be even more compelling) , 
but these screenshots seem to be strong indications at the moment.

Would also be interesting to see if the usage is worldwide or only in some 
places.

Cheers,
Martin 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Uber most likely using OSM data

[Dave F]

Hi

As has been pointed out, Uber's routing not following the inaccuracy 
within Google doesn't prove they're using OSM.


Dave F.

On 11/08/2016 13:44, Mishari Muqbil wrote:

Hi everyone,

I've made some more quick comparisons here:
https://www.evernote.com/l/AAToqyEvUURAL71Q_xhbOB05s9mj-cH4Gg4

Counterintuitively, the ones with circle in green are the original 
with google maps background, in red is super imposed on OSM, you can 
see that it fits like a glove.


Best regards
Mishari


Mishari Muqbil 
July 27, 2016 at 12:18
Hi,

I wrote a blog post 
 comparing 
Uber's rendering of a sample route displayed in it's app with Google 
Maps and OSM Mapnik, it seems Uber is using OSM data for this 
function without any visible attribution to OSM.


Best regards
Mishari




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Re: [OSM-talk] Uber most likely using OSM data

[Mishari Muqbil]

Hi everyone,

I've made some more quick comparisons here:
https://www.evernote.com/l/AAToqyEvUURAL71Q_xhbOB05s9mj-cH4Gg4

Counterintuitively, the ones with circle in green are the original with 
google maps background, in red is super imposed on OSM, you can see that 
it fits like a glove.


Best regards
Mishari


Mishari Muqbil 
July 27, 2016 at 12:18
Hi,

I wrote a blog post 
 comparing 
Uber's rendering of a sample route displayed in it's app with Google 
Maps and OSM Mapnik, it seems Uber is using OSM data for this function 
without any visible attribution to OSM.


Best regards
Mishari


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Re: [OSM-talk] Uber most likely using OSM data

[Frank Villaro-Dixon]

The best thing would be to use the Uber API to receive the route instead, 
so we could compare the lat/lon of the points with the ones stored in db.  
But it seems that this API returns an image instead:

https://developer.uber.com/docs/rides/api/v1-requests-map

So we could instead use the "estimates-price" api:
https://developer.uber.com/docs/rides/api/v1-estimates-price
which returns a distance. This distance should match the OSM distance.  
Could this be right ?



Cheers



On 16-07-27 16:40:54, Mishari Muqbil, wrote 2.3K characters saying:

Hi Martin,

On Android you request a car, select the destination and the blue route
preview line appears.

On Jul 27, 2016 4:29 PM, "Martin Koppenhoefer" 
wrote:



2016-07-27 9:35 GMT+02:00 Enock Seth Nyamador :


Interesting analysis .I guess this needs a second look.




+1, I would like to do my own testing, how did you create the routes? (Is
this Android/iOS/windows/web)?

Cheers,
Martin




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Re: [OSM-talk] Uber most likely using OSM data

[Tim Waters]

Hello,

given they may well have a very large body of GPS traces, they may be
using these to route along.

The way to check if they are using OSM is if the OSM map has
intentional errors - a kink in the road where there is none on aerial
imagery or on our GPS traces, for example.  Some of my early edits
were done just by phone and a bluetooth GPS mouse - in the days before
aerial imagery, and some of the roads had a few bends which were not
there in reality, and this assisted me in identifying some of the
previous users of our database.

Another way is perhaps by comparing the resolution of the data, a bit
like in the examples, showing where the bends meet up - comparing a
road with lots of bends, nodes in a short distance. Seeing if the
vertices match up.

Cheers,

Tim.

On 27 July 2016 at 11:06, Mishari Muqbil  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I checked the about page. There's licensing information for a bunch of
> software and Google maps but nothing for OSM.
>
>
> On Jul 27, 2016 5:02 PM, "Christoph Hormann"  wrote:
>
> On Wednesday 27 July 2016, Mishari Muqbil wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I wrote a blog post
>>  comparing
>> Uber's rendering of a sample route displayed in it's app with Google
>> Maps and OSM Mapnik, it seems Uber is using OSM data for this
>> function without any visible attribution to OSM.
>
> Looks like it.
>
> The area shown by the way is here:
>
> http://mc.bbbike.org/mc/?lon=100.565099&lat=13.736474&zoom=17&num=3&mt0=nokia-map&mt1=mapnik&mt2=google-map
>
> Is there any mentioning of OSM in the app?  Like hidden on some 'about
> page' or similar?
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Uber most likely using OSM data

[Mishari Muqbil]

Hi,

I checked the about page. There's licensing information for a bunch of
software and Google maps but nothing for OSM.

On Jul 27, 2016 5:02 PM, "Christoph Hormann"  wrote:

On Wednesday 27 July 2016, Mishari Muqbil wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I wrote a blog post
>  comparing
> Uber's rendering of a sample route displayed in it's app with Google
> Maps and OSM Mapnik, it seems Uber is using OSM data for this
> function without any visible attribution to OSM.

Looks like it.

The area shown by the way is here:

http://mc.bbbike.org/mc/?lon=100.565099&lat=13.736474&zoom=17&num=3&mt0=nokia-map&mt1=mapnik&mt2=google-map

Is there any mentioning of OSM in the app?  Like hidden on some 'about
page' or similar?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Uber most likely using OSM data

[Christoph Hormann]

On Wednesday 27 July 2016, Mishari Muqbil wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I wrote a blog post
>  comparing
> Uber's rendering of a sample route displayed in it's app with Google
> Maps and OSM Mapnik, it seems Uber is using OSM data for this
> function without any visible attribution to OSM.

Looks like it.

The area shown by the way is here:

http://mc.bbbike.org/mc/?lon=100.565099&lat=13.736474&zoom=17&num=3&mt0=nokia-map&mt1=mapnik&mt2=google-map

Is there any mentioning of OSM in the app?  Like hidden on some 'about 
page' or similar?

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http://www.imagico.de/

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Re: [OSM-talk] Uber most likely using OSM data

[Cristian Consonni]

2016-07-27 7:18 GMT+02:00 Mishari Muqbil :
> I wrote a blog post comparing Uber's rendering of a sample route displayed
> in it's app with Google Maps and OSM Mapnik, it seems Uber is using OSM data
> for this function without any visible attribution to OSM.

Simone (Cortesi) reminded me of this:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/dev/2013-June/027132.html

Ciao,

C

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Re: [OSM-talk] Uber most likely using OSM data

[Mishari Muqbil]

Hi Martin,

On Android you request a car, select the destination and the blue route
preview line appears.

On Jul 27, 2016 4:29 PM, "Martin Koppenhoefer" 
wrote:

>
> 2016-07-27 9:35 GMT+02:00 Enock Seth Nyamador :
>
>> Interesting analysis .I guess this needs a second look.
>
>
>
> +1, I would like to do my own testing, how did you create the routes? (Is
> this Android/iOS/windows/web)?
>
> Cheers,
> Martin
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Re: [OSM-talk] Uber most likely using OSM data

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2016-07-27 9:35 GMT+02:00 Enock Seth Nyamador :

> Interesting analysis .I guess this needs a second look.



+1, I would like to do my own testing, how did you create the routes? (Is
this Android/iOS/windows/web)?

Cheers,
Martin
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Re: [OSM-talk] Uber most likely using OSM data

[Enock Seth Nyamador]

Hi,

Interesting analysis .I guess this needs a second look.

Best,

​

- Enock

On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 5:18 AM, Mishari Muqbil  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I wrote a blog post 
> comparing Uber's rendering of a sample route displayed in it's app with
> Google Maps and OSM Mapnik, it seems Uber is using OSM data for this
> function without any visible attribution to OSM.
>
> Best regards
> Mishari
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[OSM-talk] Uber most likely using OSM data

[Mishari Muqbil]

Hi,

I wrote a blog post 
 comparing Uber's 
rendering of a sample route displayed in it's app with Google Maps and 
OSM Mapnik, it seems Uber is using OSM data for this function without 
any visible attribution to OSM.


Best regards
Mishari
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