Re: [OSM-talk] Very Happy - Looking forward
What about editor facebook support for editors? :) No, I'm actually serious - Vegard Engen mapped insert changeset comment here, near a place in the changeset. ? Of course with a few links in the post that appears on facebook. - Vegard On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 08:25:45PM -0700, Mikel Maron wrote: Great spirit! Now that we're past this milestone, it opens up our headspace and energy for building what's next Wish there was a place to consistently capture these ideas, and put movement behind them. There's a bunch of stuff on the wiki http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Usability http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Things_To_Do Several lists, groups, processes. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Design_Mailing_List http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Engineering_Working_Group My interest is still in building out social features http://brainoff.com/weblog/2012/03/30/1773 * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron From: Matt Williams li...@milliams.com To: talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Very Happy - Looking forward On 23 July 2012 16:54, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: Sören Gasch said: * Improve ease of editing (like wheelmap, a simple editor that lets you amend JUST the tags - name, opening hoursm, url etc..). There will be the Amenity Editor which kind of does what you propose. See - http://ae.osmsurround.org/ - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Amenity_Editor and Roland Olbricht said: * Make it easy to users to view the data (eg clicking a node/way could bring up data about it - the url and opening hours tags are not visible in map renders but is very useful to many end users) There is already a prototype that does show all data http://overpass-api.de/open_layers_popup.html Wow these both look really good. The editor would really decrease the barrier to entry (e.g. shop owners could easily add their opening hours). What's holding this project back from being more prominently placed on the map front page / How can I help? Also, there's also the newer iD (http://www.geowiki.com/, http://www.geowiki.com/iD/) which is aiming to be a simple tag and POI editor. It's not fully working yet but I imagine that development will happen fast. -- Matt Williams http://milliams.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- - Vegard Engen, member of the first RFC1149 implementation team. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Very Happy - Looking forward
On 23 July 2012 18:39, Graham Stewart (GrahamS) gra...@dalmuti.net wrote: How great would it be to add details of a way or feature while you are stood right next to it? I was doing this today, with Vespucci. Ian. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Very Happy - Looking forward
Vespucci does look interesting. Does it let you add a way just by walking it? The screenshots suggest you have to walk it then examine the GPS trace and manually draw the way in top of it. Sadly its Android-only - so no good for my iPhone or for Blackberry and WinMo users. The iD project looks like a better base because it is being written in Javascript/HTML5, so potentially could be available on all smartphones + tablets. Anyway, just wanted to add that I actually quite like the idea of Facebook integration. Obviously it's not for everyone and should be very optional. But it would be a great way to raise interest and possibly draw in new mappers. GrahamS On Tue, Jul 24, 2012, at 08:29 AM, Ian Sergeant wrote: On 23 July 2012 18:39, Graham Stewart (GrahamS) [1]gra...@dalmuti.net wrote: How great would it be to add details of a way or feature while you are stood right next to it? I was doing this today, with Vespucci. Ian. References 1. mailto:gra...@dalmuti.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Very Happy - Looking forward
I wouldn't want Vespucci to draw a way based on a GPS trace. It does one better: The GPS trace is drawn as a blue line and in the background it provides Bing tiles (or map tiles, if you'd prefer those). So a way can be drawn based on a GPS trace combined with aerial imagery. OK, it's not automatic, but GPS traces on their own are often too imprecise, as far as I'm concerned (both in cities and in forests). The other problem is that many more nodes than strictly necessary would be used to describe the way. Just my 2 cents, Polyglot 2012/7/24 Graham Stewart gra...@dalmuti.net Vespucci does look interesting. Does it let you add a way just by walking it? The screenshots suggest you have to walk it then examine the GPS trace and manually draw the way in top of it. Sadly its Android-only - so no good for my iPhone or for Blackberry and WinMo users. The iD project looks like a better base because it is being written in Javascript/HTML5, so potentially could be available on all smartphones + tablets. Anyway, just wanted to add that I actually quite like the idea of Facebook integration. Obviously it's not for everyone and should be very optional. But it would be a great way to raise interest and possibly draw in new mappers. GrahamS On Tue, Jul 24, 2012, at 08:29 AM, Ian Sergeant wrote: On 23 July 2012 18:39, Graham Stewart (GrahamS) gra...@dalmuti.net wrote: How great would it be to add details of a way or feature while you are stood right next to it? I was doing this today, with Vespucci. Ian. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Very Happy - Looking forward
Vegard Engen mapped insert changeset comment here, near a place in the changeset. ? According to the wiki [0] that exists already: https://apps.facebook.com/osmpinboard/ I've not tried it, however, and get an error telling me that the app doesn't support https browsing - which I think is the default for facebook now. I've been told about it working in the past though. Joseph [0] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Facebook On 24 July 2012 07:54, veg...@engen.priv.no wrote: What about editor facebook support for editors? :) No, I'm actually serious - Vegard Engen mapped insert changeset comment here, near a place in the changeset. ? Of course with a few links in the post that appears on facebook. - Vegard On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 08:25:45PM -0700, Mikel Maron wrote: Great spirit! Now that we're past this milestone, it opens up our headspace and energy for building what's next Wish there was a place to consistently capture these ideas, and put movement behind them. There's a bunch of stuff on the wiki http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Usability http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Things_To_Do Several lists, groups, processes. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Design_Mailing_List http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Engineering_Working_Group My interest is still in building out social features http://brainoff.com/weblog/2012/03/30/1773 * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron From: Matt Williams li...@milliams.com To: talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Very Happy - Looking forward On 23 July 2012 16:54, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: Sören Gasch said: * Improve ease of editing (like wheelmap, a simple editor that lets you amend JUST the tags - name, opening hoursm, url etc..). There will be the Amenity Editor which kind of does what you propose. See - http://ae.osmsurround.org/ - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Amenity_Editor and Roland Olbricht said: * Make it easy to users to view the data (eg clicking a node/way could bring up data about it - the url and opening hours tags are not visible in map renders but is very useful to many end users) There is already a prototype that does show all data http://overpass-api.de/open_layers_popup.html Wow these both look really good. The editor would really decrease the barrier to entry (e.g. shop owners could easily add their opening hours). What's holding this project back from being more prominently placed on the map front page / How can I help? Also, there's also the newer iD (http://www.geowiki.com/, http://www.geowiki.com/iD/) which is aiming to be a simple tag and POI editor. It's not fully working yet but I imagine that development will happen fast. -- Matt Williams http://milliams.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- - Vegard Engen, member of the first RFC1149 implementation team. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Very Happy - Looking forward
2012/7/24 Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com [cut]. My interest is still in building out social features http://brainoff.com/weblog/2012/03/30/1773 On social part, I was thinking that the Events listed on the wiki should also go into the main site. Following your ideas, an Events near you section? On the main map could go an overlay with markers signaling an upcoming event (starting 1 month before for example), so that also non-registered users could see that and maybe go to a conference or a mapping party [I contacted an user to explain an edit, and referenced the mapping parties that we were hosting in Genoa and he didn't hear nothing about that -there was an article on local newspaper- ]. If there's possibility to create events, an user could have the list What event I attended, What event is coming near me, Contact the host, and so on.. There's more users on the map than on the wiki! * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron Regards, Stefano ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Very Happy - Looking forward
vegard wrote: What about editor facebook support for editors? :) No, I'm actually serious - Vegard Engen mapped insert changeset comment here, near . ? Potlatch 1 actually did that with Twitter. But then Twitter started requiring OAuth and I really couldn't be bothered to code an OAuth library in ActionScript 1. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Very-Happy-Looking-forward-tp5717753p5718196.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Very Happy - Looking forward
Rob Nickerson wrote What's your wish-list? I'd love to see a fully-featured editor that can be used in the field, running on GPS-enabled smartphones and tablets. How great would it be to add details of a way or feature while you are stood right next to it? I imagine entering the way's name and type, then simply walking along it to add it, perhaps adding other nodes and features as you go. Hopefully Richard Fairhurst's iD project, creating a new editor in Javascript, is the beginning of such a tool: http://www.geowiki.com/ -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Very-Happy-Looking-forward-tp5717753p5717945.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Very Happy - Looking forward
I've often thought of the idea of a Footpath editor which could be used in the field to automatically add footpaths/bridleways to OSM. It should be possible to do, though it would rely on connecting to the live API in the field to both read and write data, to avoid duplication. As it would be used in the countryside, it would be hoped that the amount of surrounding OSM data would be small so it wouldn't overload the servers or require silly amounts of data to be downloaded. It would have to work something like this: Work out the bounding box with the surveyor at the centre, say a bounding box of 100 metres Get the ways and draw them Ask user whether they want to survey If so, start recording GPS track User stops when required and enters the path type (high level or detailed tags) Algorithm to automatically simplify GPS track User selects connection points to existing network (these become first and last nodes of the new way) Way is uploaded What would be nice, and make these sorts of clients easier to develop, would be API calls to throw a load of lat/lons at the server and have the server automatically plug it into the existing network by working out what existing nodes the new way will use, though obviously this would require extra server power. Nick -Graham Stewart (GrahamS) gra...@dalmuti.net wrote: - To: talk@openstreetmap.org From: Graham Stewart (GrahamS) gra...@dalmuti.net Date: 23/07/2012 09:40AM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Very Happy - Looking forward Rob Nickerson wrote What's your wish-list? I'd love to see a fully-featured editor that can be used in the field, running on GPS-enabled smartphones and tablets. How great would it be to add details of a way or feature while you are stood right next to it? I imagine entering the way's name and type, then simply walking along it to add it, perhaps adding other nodes and features as you go. Hopefully Richard Fairhurst's iD project, creating a new editor in Javascript, is the beginning of such a tool: http://www.geowiki.com/ -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Very-Happy-Looking-forward-tp5717753p5717945.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Very Happy - Looking forward
*Sören Gasch said:* * * Improve ease of editing (like wheelmap, a simple editor that lets** you amend JUST the tags - name, opening hoursm, url etc..).*There will be the Amenity Editor which kind of does what you propose. See - http://ae.osmsurround.org/ - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Amenity_Editor *and Roland Olbricht said:* * * Make it easy to users to view the data (eg clicking a node/way could** bring up data about it - the url and opening hours tags are not visible in** map renders but is very useful to many end users)* There is already a prototype that does show all datahttp://overpass-api.de/open_layers_popup.html http://overpass-api.de/open_layers_popup.html Wow these both look really good. The editor would really decrease the barrier to entry (e.g. shop owners could easily add their opening hours). What's holding this project back from being more prominently placed on the map front page / How can I help? Regards, RobJN ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Very Happy - Looking forward
On 23 July 2012 16:54, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: Sören Gasch said: * Improve ease of editing (like wheelmap, a simple editor that lets you amend JUST the tags - name, opening hoursm, url etc..). There will be the Amenity Editor which kind of does what you propose. See - http://ae.osmsurround.org/ - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Amenity_Editor and Roland Olbricht said: * Make it easy to users to view the data (eg clicking a node/way could bring up data about it - the url and opening hours tags are not visible in map renders but is very useful to many end users) There is already a prototype that does show all data http://overpass-api.de/open_layers_popup.html Wow these both look really good. The editor would really decrease the barrier to entry (e.g. shop owners could easily add their opening hours). What's holding this project back from being more prominently placed on the map front page / How can I help? Also, there's also the newer iD (http://www.geowiki.com/, http://www.geowiki.com/iD/) which is aiming to be a simple tag and POI editor. It's not fully working yet but I imagine that development will happen fast. -- Matt Williams http://milliams.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Very Happy - Looking forward
Great spirit! Now that we're past this milestone, it opens up our headspace and energy for building what's next Wish there was a place to consistently capture these ideas, and put movement behind them. There's a bunch of stuff on the wiki http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Usability http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Things_To_Do Several lists, groups, processes. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Design_Mailing_List http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Engineering_Working_Group My interest is still in building out social features http://brainoff.com/weblog/2012/03/30/1773 * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron From: Matt Williams li...@milliams.com To: talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Very Happy - Looking forward On 23 July 2012 16:54, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: Sören Gasch said: * Improve ease of editing (like wheelmap, a simple editor that lets you amend JUST the tags - name, opening hoursm, url etc..). There will be the Amenity Editor which kind of does what you propose. See - http://ae.osmsurround.org/ - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Amenity_Editor and Roland Olbricht said: * Make it easy to users to view the data (eg clicking a node/way could bring up data about it - the url and opening hours tags are not visible in map renders but is very useful to many end users) There is already a prototype that does show all data http://overpass-api.de/open_layers_popup.html Wow these both look really good. The editor would really decrease the barrier to entry (e.g. shop owners could easily add their opening hours). What's holding this project back from being more prominently placed on the map front page / How can I help? Also, there's also the newer iD (http://www.geowiki.com/, http://www.geowiki.com/iD/) which is aiming to be a simple tag and POI editor. It's not fully working yet but I imagine that development will happen fast. -- Matt Williams http://milliams.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Very Happy - Looking forward
* Improve ease of editing (like wheelmap, a simple editor that lets you amend JUST the tags - name, opening hoursm, url etc..). There will be the Amenity Editor which kind of does what you propose. See - http://ae.osmsurround.org/ - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Amenity_Editor ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Very Happy - Looking forward
Hi All, == Reflection == I just want to take a moment to thank the people behind the redaction bot and contacting/re-mapping efforts. Toward the end of 2009 the members of OSM Foundation voted in favour of changing the license. This was not done for the fun of it, but because there was a strong belief that the change was needed to secure a better long term future for OSM [1][2]. After the vote there was to be no going back, whether you personally agreed or not. During the following years many members have worked hard to try and contact fellow mappers (to seek their agreement to the new licence), to remap areas where earlier contributors did not agree/could not be contacted and, more recently to work as hard as possible to ensure that as much data could be saved as possible. Thank you. It may be hard to see data being removed, but we need to step back and look at the bigger picture and thank all those involved in ensuring it goes as smoothly as possible. By all means feel free to write a lessons learnt email (of which there are several - visualisation tools not knowing exactly how the data will be redacted and weak communication being two), but remember OSM is not a large company with paid staff, it relies on your help too. == Looking forward == Once the redaction bot has finished there will no doubt be a phase of improving the map where data has been removed. After this we have a chance to look forward and develop OSM 2013. Much time has been spent on the re-licensing and it would be fantastic to keep this momentum going on new projects. My personal wish-list would be to help expose the map data as much as possible. Ideas include: * Provide routing on the front page * Make it easy to users to view the data (eg clicking a node/way could bring up data about it - the url and opening hours tags are not visible in map renders but is very useful to many end users) * Improve ease of editing (like wheelmap, a simple editor that lets you amend JUST the tags - name, opening hoursm, url etc..). This could be linked with my point above. What's your wish-list? Regards, RobJN [1] http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/We_Are_Changing_The_License [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Implementation_Plan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
