Re: [OSM-talk] Buildings and roads
Nathan Mixter writes: > A "major road" doesn't have to be wide by default. I hereby invite you > to visit Guadarrama, where a trunk road (the "N-VI") has only two > lanes, and buildings are just one meter away from the asphalt. > > Yes, I agree that the rendering is messed up at low zoom levels (see > Naga City in the Phillipines), but at higher zoom levels, I see no > other easy solution. > > (In a perfect world, a road would be not a line, but a polygon, so the > width and area could be perfectly known). You could tag the roads with their width and renderers could render them accordingly - if they wanted to. This is actually only sensible for the highest zoom levels. Matthias ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Buildings and roads
El Jueves, 18 de Diciembre de 2008, Simone Cortesi escribió: > where can these boundary data be found? The details can be found over here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Philippines_Data_Import#Naga Cheers, -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega Dijo: "Yo soy feliz". Naturalmente se trataba de un necio. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Buildings and roads
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: > Well, there is still a lot of data to import (land use and boundaries > IIRC), but I was too lazy to program the conversion script to take into > account the OSM relationships needed to correctly tag the multipolygons > (polygons with holes). Ant I still don't know if they would be rendered > alright by both mapnik and or/p. > > So many things in the back burner... :-( where can these boundary data be found? -S ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] buildings and roads
Or literally through the building ! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gate_Tower_Building This case is also interesting when it comes to tagging layers. what takes precedence in rendering, the road or the building? OJ W wrote: On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 5:49 AM, Nathan Mixter wrote: Just wondering. Shouldn't buildings be rendered behind roads. Not if the building is over the road http://picasaweb.google.com/hemrajpathare/CopenhagenPhotos#5225837680766253506 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk begin:vcard fn:Patrick Weber n:;Patrick Weber org:University College London;Department of Management Science and Innovation adr:;;Gower Street;London;;WC1E 6BT;United Kingdom title:Engineering Doctorate Student tel;cell:+44 (0) 7854840450 note;quoted-printable:Skype: think_petz=0D=0A= LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pweber version:2.1 end:vcard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] buildings and roads
OJ W wrote: >Sent: 18 December 2008 11:19 AM >To: Nathan Mixter >Cc: openstreetmap >Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] buildings and roads > >On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 5:49 AM, Nathan Mixter >wrote: >> Just wondering. Shouldn't buildings be rendered behind roads. > >Not if the building is over the road > >http://picasaweb.google.com/hemrajpathare/CopenhagenPhotos#5225837680766253 >506 Will that's arguably a bridge with a building on top. Plenty of those examples. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulteney_Bridge is a good one. Its easy enough to create if you make an area and give it the bridge tag. The building/buildings then sit within the outline. Then it just needs some more styles adding to the render style sheets. Cheers Andy > >___ >talk mailing list >talk@openstreetmap.org >http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1854 - Release Date: 17/12/2008 >7:21 PM ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] buildings and roads
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 5:49 AM, Nathan Mixter wrote: > Just wondering. Shouldn't buildings be rendered behind roads. Not if the building is over the road http://picasaweb.google.com/hemrajpathare/CopenhagenPhotos#5225837680766253506 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] buildings and roads
On 18 Dec 2008, at 10:52, Steve Chilton wrote: Equally roads don’t usually run over buildings – which could be case if reversed. Basically auto-rendering of these two can not be correct for all cases/zooms. Needs intelligence to say “nudge that building away from the road in this instance” – later? Surely this is just a great example demonstrating that catography is harder than it seems at first sight. The problem is that the roads are not draw to their real width and therefore the building must be nudged or shrunk so as not to collide with the super-wide roads as rendered. What we should not do is move the building outlines on the ground to make the rendering work, as far as I am concerned it is a rendering problem even if it is a hard one. Regards, Peter Cheers STEVE Steve Chilton, Learning Support Fellow Manager of e-Learning Academic Development Centre for Educational Technology Middlesex University phone/fax: 020 8411 5355 email: ste...@mdx.ac.uk http://www.mdx.ac.uk/schools/hssc/staff/profiles/technical/ chiltons.asp Chair of the Society of Cartographers: http://www.soc.org.uk/ SoC conference 2008: http://www.abdn.ac.uk/cartographers08/ From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org ] On Behalf Of Nathan Mixter Sent: 17 December 2008 05:50 To: openstreetmap Subject: [OSM-talk] buildings and roads Just wondering. Shouldn't buildings be rendered behind roads. Currently buildings are drawn above a road when the road is wide like a highway or major road. Obviously buildings don't cut into roads. If the road layer is on top this won't happen. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] buildings and roads
Equally roads don't usually run over buildings - which could be case if reversed. Basically auto-rendering of these two can not be correct for all cases/zooms. Needs intelligence to say "nudge that building away from the road in this instance" - later? Cheers STEVE Steve Chilton, Learning Support Fellow Manager of e-Learning Academic Development Centre for Educational Technology Middlesex University phone/fax: 020 8411 5355 email: ste...@mdx.ac.uk http://www.mdx.ac.uk/schools/hssc/staff/profiles/technical/chiltons.asp Chair of the Society of Cartographers: http://www.soc.org.uk/ SoC conference 2008: http://www.abdn.ac.uk/cartographers08/ _ From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Mixter Sent: 17 December 2008 05:50 To: openstreetmap Subject: [OSM-talk] buildings and roads Just wondering. Shouldn't buildings be rendered behind roads. Currently buildings are drawn above a road when the road is wide like a highway or major road. Obviously buildings don't cut into roads. If the road layer is on top this won't happen. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Buildings and roads
On Thu, December 18, 2008 07:27, maning sambale wrote: > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Nathan Mixter > wrote: >> Wow, Naga City is full of buildings. How did they get so many? Are those >> all building=yeses? Crazy. > > NAGA City GIS released their data in public domain. We are still > encouraging the City government do continue adding more data. Well, there is still a lot of data to import (land use and boundaries IIRC), but I was too lazy to program the conversion script to take into account the OSM relationships needed to correctly tag the multipolygons (polygons with holes). Ant I still don't know if they would be rendered alright by both mapnik and or/p. So many things in the back burner... :-( Cheers, -- Iván Sánchez Ortega Un ordenador no es un televisor ni un microondas, es una herramienta compleja. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Buildings and roads
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Nathan Mixter wrote: > Wow, Naga City is full of buildings. How did they get so many? Are those all > building=yeses? Crazy. NAGA City GIS released their data in public domain. We are still encouraging the City government do continue adding more data. > > A "major road" doesn't have to be wide by default. I hereby invite you to > visit Guadarrama, where a trunk road (the "N-VI") has only two lanes, and > buildings are just one meter away from the asphalt. > > > > Yes, I agree that the rendering is messed up at low zoom levels (see Naga > City in the Phillipines), but at higher zoom levels, I see no other easy > solution. > > > > (In a perfect world, a road would be not a line, but a polygon, so the width > and area could be perfectly known). > > > > > > Cheers, > > -- > > Iván Sánchez Ortega > > > > Un ordenador no es un televisor ni un microondas, es una herramienta > compleja. > > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > -- cheers, maning -- "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Buildings and roads
Wow, Naga City is full of buildings. How did they get so many? Are those all building=yeses? Crazy. And I thought adding all the industrial and commercial buildings was bad. Anyway I still think that if the building layers were set at a lower layer level by default and the roads to a higher, it might look better. On Wed, December 17, 2008 06:49, Nathan Mixter wrote: > Just wondering. Shouldn't buildings be rendered behind roads. > Currently buildings are drawn above a road when the road is wide like > a highway or major road. Obviously buildings don't cut into roads. If > the road layer is on top this won't happen. A "major road" doesn't have to be wide by default. I hereby invite you to visit Guadarrama, where a trunk road (the "N-VI") has only two lanes, and buildings are just one meter away from the asphalt. Yes, I agree that the rendering is messed up at low zoom levels (see Naga City in the Phillipines), but at higher zoom levels, I see no other easy solution. (In a perfect world, a road would be not a line, but a polygon, so the width and area could be perfectly known). Cheers, -- Iván Sánchez Ortega Un ordenador no es un televisor ni un microondas, es una herramienta compleja. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] buildings and roads
On Wed, December 17, 2008 06:49, Nathan Mixter wrote: > Just wondering. Shouldn't buildings be rendered behind roads. Currently > buildings are drawn above a road when the road is wide like a highway or > major road. Obviously buildings don't cut into roads. If the road layer is > on top this won't happen. A "major road" doesn't have to be wide by default. I hereby invite you to visit Guadarrama, where a trunk road (the "N-VI") has only two lanes, and buildings are just one meter away from the asphalt. Yes, I agree that the rendering is messed up at low zoom levels (see Naga City in the Phillipines), but at higher zoom levels, I see no other easy solution. (In a perfect world, a road would be not a line, but a polygon, so the width and area could be perfectly known). Cheers, -- Iván Sánchez Ortega Un ordenador no es un televisor ni un microondas, es una herramienta compleja. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] buildings and roads
On Wednesday 17 Dec 2008 11:19:44 am Nathan Mixter wrote: > Just wondering. Shouldn't buildings be rendered behind roads. Currently > buildings are drawn above a road when the road is wide like a highway or > major road. Obviously buildings don't cut into roads. If the road layer is > on top this won't happen. could you explain with an illustration? I don't understand. I draw buildings next to roads -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] buildings and roads
Just wondering. Shouldn't buildings be rendered behind roads. Currently buildings are drawn above a road when the road is wide like a highway or major road. Obviously buildings don't cut into roads. If the road layer is on top this won't happen. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
