Re: [OSM-talk] osm talk at local LUG
From my experience you get lots of questions so best keep the presentation simple and allow enough time to answer stuff. You might also find you get questions regarding the free aspect of the project and the licence. Hope that helps Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:talk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Paulson Sent: 10 June 2008 2:15 AM To: osm Talk Subject: [OSM-talk] osm talk at local LUG i'm thinking of giving a talk at my local LUG in the near future on OSM - we could do with some extra mappers in the area, and any extra OSM publicity is always useful any advice or suggestions on things to include/exclude, focus on, etc? i've had a quick look at some of the lectures in svn which has given me a few ideas, but thought i'd poll here for suggestions before i committed to anything thanks ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.2.0/1493 - Release Date: 09/06/2008 5:25 PM ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] osm talk at local LUG
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: From my experience you get lots of questions so best keep the presentation simple and allow enough time to answer stuff. You might also find you get questions regarding the free aspect of the project and the licence. Yes, be prepared for the usual why not just use Google? questions. I did a short lightning talk on OSM at my local LUG a few months ago and being able to cite uses of the data other than the plain slippymap was quite good (such as the Welsh language version (as I am in Wales :), the cyclemap, the pistemap, the ability to use the data for satnav projects, etc.). The level of interest seemed quite high at the time, but sadly I don't think we've got any new mappers from that group. :( I shall try and dig out the slides I wrote, but basically I briefly talked out the benefits of the project over commercial maps and how the surveying is actually done. - Steve xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nexusuk.org/ Servatis a periculum, servatis a maleficum - Whisper, Evanescence ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] osm talk at local LUG
On 10 Jun 2008, at 10:09, Steve Hill wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2008, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: From my experience you get lots of questions so best keep the presentation simple and allow enough time to answer stuff. You might also find you get questions regarding the free aspect of the project and the licence. Yes, be prepared for the usual why not just use Google? questions. I did a short lightning talk on OSM at my local LUG a few months ago and being able to cite uses of the data other than the plain slippymap was quite good (such as the Welsh language version (as I am in Wales :), the cyclemap, the pistemap, the ability to use the data for satnav projects, etc.). Isn't it easier with such a group to ask 'why not use windows?' The level of interest seemed quite high at the time, but sadly I don't think we've got any new mappers from that group. :( I shall try and dig out the slides I wrote, but basically I briefly talked out the benefits of the project over commercial maps and how the surveying is actually done. - Steve xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nexusuk.org/ Servatis a periculum, servatis a maleficum - Whisper, Evanescence ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk Best Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] osm talk at local LUG
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008, SteveC wrote: Isn't it easier with such a group to ask 'why not use windows?' Quite possibly, but that isn't quite the same thing. Windows is not free (as in beer), so a lot of people (even LUG attendees) often get hung up on the zero cost side of things, so when faced with two zero cost solutions (Google and OSM) they must be poked into realising that there is also the Free (as in speech) aspect to consider. I consider the freedom I get from using Linux to be one of the main reasons for using it, but one must accept that not everyone thinks the same way, so being quite explicit in the explanation of _why_ to use OSM instead of Google is a Good Thing. As far as Linux is concerned, there are other reasons to use it instead of Windows - i.e. it costs nothing, it is more secure, it comes with more powerful tools, it is generally better. Whilst a lot of these things may have come about _because_ of the freedom that Linux gives people, that fact may not be directly evident to a lot of people. Just my 2 pennies worth... - Steve xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nexusuk.org/ Servatis a periculum, servatis a maleficum - Whisper, Evanescence ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] osm talk at local LUG
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:09:22AM +0100, Steve Hill wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2008, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: From my experience you get lots of questions so best keep the presentation simple and allow enough time to answer stuff. You might also find you get questions regarding the free aspect of the project and the licence. Yes, be prepared for the usual why not just use Google? questions. I did a short lightning talk on OSM at my local LUG a few months ago and being able to cite uses of the data other than the plain slippymap was quite good (such as the Welsh language version (as I am in Wales :), the cyclemap, the pistemap, the ability to use the data for satnav projects, etc.). The level of interest seemed quite high at the time, but sadly I don't think we've got any new mappers from that group. :( Combining the talk with a mapping party (it doesn't need to be large or widely advertised, could be just internal) would be a good strategy. Well, at least it did work in our case :) We got several new mappers in my town, and we got most of the city center mapped during that saturday. We had the talk on a thursday, with a mapping party the following saturday. OSM has a pretty steep learning curve - not as much on the technical aspects as in good choices for tags on different types of ways, good strategies, etc. Being able to do that together with more experienced mappers the first time is so much easier than trying to find out how to do it yourself. The why not just use google will of course be asked, but in a LUG, you should at least get a few people who understand the licensing concepts. -- - Vegard Engen, member of the first RFC1149 implementation team. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] osm talk at local LUG
On Tuesday 10 June 2008 10:09:22 Steve Hill wrote: The level of interest seemed quite high at the time, but sadly I don't think we've got any new mappers from that group. I attended my first mapping party two weeks ago, along with 2 other newbies. Having cycled my allotted residential street area I went home and uploaded my traces, plotted and named roads live with potlach, I also uploaded a couple of artifacts with josm, all just to see how I got on. To the best of my knowledge the other two did not edit the map but their traces were uploaded. As with all these things I found learning what to do a bit difficult and exchanged a few e-mails with more experienced mappers but I think a tutorial session prior to the party would have been effective. By the time I was confident to edit the remainder of my traces another mapper, with better detail, had uploaded the same area. I don't begrudge the time I spent as it was interesting to learn a bit more of my local area and I'm fully in support of the project but I won't risk duplicating effort like this again and shall try to learn more about refining the particular area I am interested in after the basic backbone has been put in by others. Is there a crib sheet for symbols and details anywhere, along with the respective tabs? Andrew ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] osm talk at local LUG
2008/6/10 Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Is there a crib sheet for symbols and details anywhere, along with the respective tabs? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Map_features ? -- Lauri Hahne ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] osm talk at local LUG
After the Stevenage LUG organised a talk, their area seemed to get mapped quite soon after: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.9097lon=-0.2024zoom=14layers=0B0FT On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Steve Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The level of interest seemed quite high at the time, but sadly I don't think we've got any new mappers from that group. :( ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] osm talk at local LUG
i'm thinking of giving a talk at my local LUG in the near future on OSM - we could do with some extra mappers in the area, and any extra OSM publicity is always useful any advice or suggestions on things to include/exclude, focus on, etc? i've had a quick look at some of the lectures in svn which has given me a few ideas, but thought i'd poll here for suggestions before i committed to anything thanks ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
