Re: [OSM-talk] relations within relations - walking trails
Am 24.05.2011 21:21, schrieb Hermann Peifer: > Thanks for the hints. I managed to redefine our regional bike route 51 > as a relation of 2 relations (local bike routes) and 5 Ways which are > needed for filling the gaps in between the local routes: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1588406 > > It looks to me that some of the web tools for checking relations are > only able to present the relation's way members. They do not resolve the > "sub-relations" into their way members, e.g. > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?relation=1588406 and > http://ra.osmsurround.org/analyze.jsp?relationId=1588406 > > Am I perhaps doing something wrong? In any case, the same relation looks > OK here: > > http://osmrm.openstreetmap.de/relation.jsp?id=1588406#lon=12.52484215;lat=55.69023765;zoom=13;layer=Mpnk No everything alright! Sadly, much software does not work for these cases so far. cu fly ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] relations within relations - walking trails
On 24 May 2011 20:10, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Say you see a way in Potlatch which is a member of relation X (in Robin's > example, the Auckland coast to coast trail), and you want to add this > relation X to another relation, Y, which already exists (in Robin's example, > the 'te araroa' trail). > > * Select the way > * use "Advanced" mode to see relation X of wich way is a member > * double click relation X to open relation editor > * use "Advanced" mode to see relations of which X is member (currently > empty) > * click "Add to" to add X to another relation > * since Y is unlikely to be already loaded, and thus will not appear in the > list, click "Load Relation" and enter Y's relation ID > * Y is loaded, and X is made a child of Y. excellent, thanks. exactly what i was after > In cases where Y doesn't already exist, use the "New Relation" button > instead of "New Relation". > > If you don't know the relation ID of Y, and don't even know an area that you > could load to find it, then it is possible that you can use Google for that, > searching for something like > > site:www.openstreetmap.org relation type=route route=hiking e6 ah, that's a good idea. i wonder - is there a way in osm to search for relations, other than using google/some other external search engine? if i know the number it's easy enough, but as you say, that's not always the case. also, if i have accidentally created a relation by mistake, how do i delete it? cheers for the help -- robin http://bumblepuppy.org/blog/?p=237 - government bill to remove basic human rights in NZ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] relations within relations - walking trails
On 24/05/2011 10:10, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 05/24/11 09:24, Hermann Peifer wrote: The problem (at least mine) is not to relate the existing relation objects conceptually, but to do this practically, in Potlatch. * Select the way * use "Advanced" mode to see relation X of wich way is a member * double click relation X to open relation editor * use "Advanced" mode to see relations of which X is member (currently empty) * click "Add to" to add X to another relation * since Y is unlikely to be already loaded, and thus will not appear in the list, click "Load Relation" and enter Y's relation ID * Y is loaded, and X is made a child of Y. Thanks for the hints. I managed to redefine our regional bike route 51 as a relation of 2 relations (local bike routes) and 5 Ways which are needed for filling the gaps in between the local routes: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1588406 It looks to me that some of the web tools for checking relations are only able to present the relation's way members. They do not resolve the "sub-relations" into their way members, e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?relation=1588406 and http://ra.osmsurround.org/analyze.jsp?relationId=1588406 Am I perhaps doing something wrong? In any case, the same relation looks OK here: http://osmrm.openstreetmap.de/relation.jsp?id=1588406#lon=12.52484215;lat=55.69023765;zoom=13;layer=Mpnk Hermann ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] relations within relations - walking trails
Hi, On 05/24/11 09:24, Hermann Peifer wrote: The problem (at least mine) is not to relate the existing relation objects conceptually, but to do this practically, in Potlatch. Someone has recently claimed that Potlatch was a full-featured editor so I'm sure it must be possible ;) Say you see a way in Potlatch which is a member of relation X (in Robin's example, the Auckland coast to coast trail), and you want to add this relation X to another relation, Y, which already exists (in Robin's example, the 'te araroa' trail). * Select the way * use "Advanced" mode to see relation X of wich way is a member * double click relation X to open relation editor * use "Advanced" mode to see relations of which X is member (currently empty) * click "Add to" to add X to another relation * since Y is unlikely to be already loaded, and thus will not appear in the list, click "Load Relation" and enter Y's relation ID * Y is loaded, and X is made a child of Y. In cases where Y doesn't already exist, use the "New Relation" button instead of "New Relation". If you don't know the relation ID of Y, and don't even know an area that you could load to find it, then it is possible that you can use Google for that, searching for something like site:www.openstreetmap.org relation type=route route=hiking e6 Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] relations within relations - walking trails
Le 24/05/2011 03:18, Robin Paulson a écrit : i am mapping walking tracks in new zealand, and have recently added 'te araroa' - the walking track from the top of the north island to the bottom of the south. it is made up at parts of the way of other walking tracks, such as the 'coast to coast' walking track in the auckland region. problem is, i can't get my head round how to relate the two in a relation any suggestions? i'm using potlatch to do my editing, so examples using that would be good cheers I don't know if it is possible with Potlatch to put relations as members of a relation. It is quite easy on JOSM. The schema of a relation type=route including relations type=route is widely used on this program : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Europe/Long-distance_paths It is a way to split a very long route into several parts as for http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/138227 If only parts of other routes must be included, the ways can be members of several relations. Some use a type=superroute for the main relations, but it is not an existing type and it is not necessary for the route is simply a route even if members are relations. There is a good map showing the routes and rendering the osmc:symbol : http://osm.lonvia.de/hiking.html?lat=44.33868&lon=2.14782&zoom=8&layers=FFBT0 -- FrViPofm ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] relations within relations - walking trails
On 24/05/2011 08:41, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 05/24/11 03:18, Robin Paulson wrote: it is made up at parts of the way of other walking tracks, such as the 'coast to coast' walking track in the auckland region. problem is, i can't get my head round how to relate the two in a relation Example: Trans-European hiking route E1 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/371743 consists, among other relations, of the "E1 German Part" http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/36367 which in turn consists of smaller relations like "E1 Hamburg", "E1 Schleswig-Holstein", etc. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/69471 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/71770 I have a similar issue with the nesting of international > national > regional > local bike routes where relations on the lower levels already exists. The problem (at least mine) is not to relate the existing relation objects conceptually, but to do this practically, in Potlatch. Hermann ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] relations within relations - walking trails
Hi, On 05/24/11 03:18, Robin Paulson wrote: it is made up at parts of the way of other walking tracks, such as the 'coast to coast' walking track in the auckland region. problem is, i can't get my head round how to relate the two in a relation Example: Trans-European hiking route E1 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/371743 consists, among other relations, of the "E1 German Part" http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/36367 which in turn consists of smaller relations like "E1 Hamburg", "E1 Schleswig-Holstein", etc. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/69471 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/71770 and these, finally, contain way members. Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] relations within relations - walking trails
i am mapping walking tracks in new zealand, and have recently added 'te araroa' - the walking track from the top of the north island to the bottom of the south. it is made up at parts of the way of other walking tracks, such as the 'coast to coast' walking track in the auckland region. problem is, i can't get my head round how to relate the two in a relation any suggestions? i'm using potlatch to do my editing, so examples using that would be good cheers -- robin http://bumblepuppy.org/blog/?p=237 - government bill to remove basic human rights in NZ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
